T10243: Some KDE applications could use better icons

[Noah Davis]

ndavis added a comment.


  In T10243#201333 , @ngraham wrote:
  
  > In T10243#201329 , @alex-l wrote:
  >
  > > EDIT: I have already said this here and there but please don't run any 
automated script to SVG icons, because when opening them back in Inkscape they 
are corrupted and everytime I edit a Breeze icon I have to do additional work 
to fix shapes and gradients corrupted by the scripts.
  >
  >
  > This is something you should bring up in the VDG chatroom and discuss with 
@ndavis in particular as we currently make heavy use of these scripts for 
optimization purposes. Hopefully we can come up with a solution together.
  
  
  I actually hand check for errors when I optimize. If the gradients are out of 
place, then I put them back into place, optimize again and check again. 
Usually, the gradients get messed up when they're missing some data that is 
supposed to be in there.

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[okular] [Bug 342003] Trim margins confuses ordering of zoom steps while zooming out

[Nate Graham]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=342003

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[okular] [Bug 342003] Trim margins confuses ordering of zoom steps while zooming out

[Zakhar]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=342003

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[okular] [Bug 412002] Zoom out doesn't go beyond "Fit Width"

[Albert Astals Cid]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=412002

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--- Comment #4 from Albert Astals Cid  ---
No, it is a bug, just that trim margins is buggy

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[okular] [Bug 342003] Trim margins confuses ordering of zoom steps while zooming out

[Albert Astals Cid]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=342003

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*** Bug 412002 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

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[okular] [Bug 412002] Zoom out doesn't go beyond "Fit Width"

[Steve Kelem]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=412002

--- Comment #3 from Steve Kelem  ---
As a matter of fact, I did! Never noticed this before, having searched only the
Settings menu for settings.

So, it's not a bug, but it would be nice to make this setting more visible. I
wouldn't have guessed that Trim Margins would mean you can't zoom out past the
page width.

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[okular] [Bug 163493] Move 'Full screen mode' menu item from Settings menu into View menu

[Nate Graham]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=163493

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[okular] [Bug 163493] 'Full screen mode' is better in View menu than Settings menu (usability)

[Nate Graham]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=163493
Bug 163493 depends on bug 106807, which changed state.

Bug 106807 Summary: 'Full Screen' option should really be in the 'View' menu
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=106807

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[okular] [Bug 163493] 'Full screen mode' is better in View menu than Settings menu (usability)

[Nate Graham]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=163493

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--- Comment #12 from Nate Graham  ---
This is unblocked now because the HIG team has decided that the action should
be moved to the View menu.

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D15580: [WIP] New annotation toolbar

[Nathaniel Graham]

ngraham added a comment.


  If you don't like the proposed vertical toolbar, that's okay, but then we're 
going to need to sort out a lot of tricky UI issues for the horizontal toolbar 
and have perfect icons.

REPOSITORY
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T10243: Some KDE applications could use better icons

[Nathaniel Graham]

ngraham added a comment.


  In T10243#201370 , @alex-l wrote:
  
  > I don't think glasses will ever look good at small sizes, can't we use 
something else for Okular? A clip? A highlighter?
  
  
  Looks okay to me at 32px: F7379054: Screenshot_20190918_145934.png 

  
  But again, if we want to actually change the icon rather than creating a 
Breeze version of it, that requires the consultation and permission of the 
developers (i.e. #okular  people).

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abetts, stikonas, knauss, mglb, filipf, mludwig, aacid, lesliezhai, 
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Re: T10243: Some KDE applications could use better icons

[Clemens Toennies]

I'd agree that flatness taken too far becomes unattractive/dull also for me
personally. When comparing Breeze and latest Iphone icons though, I think
our set looks awesomeness, it is so good that i have yet to find something
else that i would stick to and not go back to Breeze after relative short
time, elemantary included. Since its all subjective, I am not sure if
changing some of Breeze would make things better, but leave everyone
unsatisfied in the end, as current Gwenview, K3B fit imho so good with the
rest that starting to change them would rather require a new style
altogether than mixing or going halfway back to something Oxygen-like?
Maybe look forward for this then for Plasma 6?

Re: D15580: [WIP] New annotation toolbar

[Simone Gaiarin]

Sorry for the long silence. I have been busy at work and then on vacation.

Personally I do not like the idea of the vertical toolbar specifically for
Okular for the following reasons:
- Okular differently from Gwenview already has a tab bar, which means that
further splitting the reviews tab into two pieces add another nesting
level.
- Splitting the Review tab horizontally with the toolbar on top and the
reviews below seems quite cluttered to me. Also that review tab could be
improved (see T8553) and may require all the vertical space (e.g. show the
full text of the notes, allow to reply, etc. See Foxit for example).
-  It is not possible to build the toolbar with KXMLGUI as it is now, but
needs to be built programmatically (I think). The Gwenview toolbar is not a
standard toolbar, indeed it cannot be edited or moved.

The reasons for which I prefer to make the annotation toolbar a standard
toolbar displaying only the icons are:
- Many other programs have similar icon-only toolbars (e.g. libreoffice,
and also other PDF viewers e.g. MacOS viewer and Adobe reader). For the
annotation toolbar I would conform with the other PDF viewers.
- The icon buttons have tooltips and likely the users will quickly learn
them
- The toolbar is standard and can be customized by the user.

On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 6:26 PM Nathaniel Graham <
nore...@phabricator.kde.org> wrote:

> ngraham added a comment. View Revision
> 
>
> In D15580#515250 , @davidhurka
>  wrote:
>
> In D15580#514707 , @ngraham
>  wrote:
>
> In D15580#513826 , @simgunz
>  wrote:
>
>- How would you fit the annotation actions in the Reviews tab?
>- Would you create a sub-tab in it (as in Gwenview where the tabs are
>at the bottom)? -
>- Can you provide a minimal mockup of this?
>
> Having it tabbed like Gwenview was what I was envisioning, yeah. Basically
> copy the UX of Gwenview's sidebar, but inside Okular's Reviews tab.
>
> I’m not sure whether I understand you. This is a screenshot of the sidebar
> in Gwenview “Operations”. Additionally to the sidebar tab Reviews, you
> want a tab “Add Annotations”, looking like this?
> F7264576: image.png 
> Or you want to add a tab bar to the bottom of the Reviews tab, containing
> Annotations and Add Annotations?
> I would simply put the annotation toolbar on top of the Reviews tab, on
> top of the search box. Probably it would cover multiple lines, if that is
> possible with Qt.
>
> Yeah, that might make more sense that having a tabbed view inside the
> review tab. But yes, I was envisioning a vertical toolbar like the above
> screenshot.
>
> *REPOSITORY*
> R223 Okular
>
> *REVISION DETAIL*
> https://phabricator.kde.org/D15580
>
> *To: *simgunz, Okular, VDG
> *Cc: *ltoscano, cfeck, aacid, davidhurka, knambiar, ngraham,
> tobiasdeiminger, okular-devel, maguirre, fbampaloukas, joaonetto, kezik,
> tfella, darcyshen
>

[okular] [Bug 412002] Zoom out doesn't go beyond "Fit Width"

[Albert Astals Cid]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=412002

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--- Comment #2 from Albert Astals Cid  ---
Do you have Trim Margins enabled?

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T10243: Some KDE applications could use better icons

[Alessandro Longo]

alex-l added a comment.


  I don't think glasses will ever look good at small sizes, can't we use 
something else for Okular? A clip? A highlighter?

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abetts, stikonas, knauss, mglb, filipf, mludwig, aacid, lesliezhai, 
elvisangelaccio, kossebau, trickyricky26, ndavis, yurchor, #kde_games, #ark, 
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T10243: Some KDE applications could use better icons

[Christoph Cullmann]

cullmann added a comment.


  Hmm, that looks more like a mail application ;=)
  As Tyson is already working on something, but at the moment has not much 
time, I would tend to just keep Kate's icon as is and look at the final stuff 
Tyson provides first.
  Otherwise I think that is a bit unfair.

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elvisangelaccio, kossebau, trickyricky26, ndavis, yurchor, #kde_games, #ark, 
#kde_pim, #discover_software_store, #yakuake, #kate, #okular, #gwenview, 
#konsole, #kde_applications, #vdg, ngraham, cblack, konkinartem, ian, jguidon, 
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T10243: Some KDE applications could use better icons

[Nathaniel Graham]

ngraham added a comment.


  That's not a bad icon, but again, I think we owe it to the app developers to 
be as true to the original icon as possible. That text-origami-bird icon is 
cool, but it has nothing to do with Kate's original icon. The HIG specifically 
recommends against this:
  
  > https://hig.kde.org/style/icons/application.html
  >  When creating a Breeze theme version of an existing app’s icon, is 
critically important that the icon’s existing brand and visual style be 
preserved. The goal is to create a Breeze version of the icon, not something 
completely new and different.
  
  For example, here's Okular's original icon: F6517594: okular.png 

  
  Here's the Deepin icon theme version of it, as @filipf pointed out up-thread:
  F7378824: Okular-deepin.png 
  
  IMO this version of the icon is both much better than the Breeze icon 
version, and also more true to the original. That's the kind of thing we should 
strive for with Breeze icons. If we want to make a totally new icon, it needs 
to be done in coordination with the app's developers and have their approval.

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#konsole, #kde_applications, #vdg, ngraham, cblack, konkinartem, ian, jguidon, 
hannahk, Ghost6, jraleigh, MrPepe, fbampaloukas, squeakypancakes, alexde, GB_2, 
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T10243: Some KDE applications could use better icons

[Alessandro Longo]

alex-l added a comment.


  Would something like this being enough for Kate i.e. an origami bird made of 
current icon paper?
  
  F7378729: immagine.png 

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T10243: Some KDE applications could use better icons

[Christoph Cullmann]

cullmann added a comment.


  In T10243#201347 , @filipf wrote:
  
  > In T10243#201303 , @ngraham 
wrote:
  >
  > > Yeah, an app's icon is a part of its branding. It //should// look 
distinctive, not generic. Ideally it communicates both its purpose ("I'm a text 
editor!") as well as its identity ("I'm Kate!"). I think the problem with some 
of these icons is that they only do the former, not the latter. I don't think 
there is a conflict here, though!
  >
  >
  > This seems like the crux of the issue to me, I don't think it's that much 
about the flat vs. skeuo debate.
  >
  > Some icons listed here are distinguishable, still do a decent job in terms 
of branding, and would maybe only benefit from a little tweaking (e.g. 
Gwenview). But others such as the Okular, Konsole, Kate, KWrite, Yakuake, and 
the previous version of the Kolf icon look somewhat generic to me.
  
  
  Yes, KWrite, ok, that is just some "non-SDI" Kate, I could live with it 
having just the same icon or the icon with some emblem like Kate.
  But Kate's icon is just maximal generic, could be any editor.
  The current draft of Tyson looks more like a simplified miniature version of 
the woodpecker mascot.

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elvisangelaccio, kossebau, trickyricky26, ndavis, yurchor, #kde_games, #ark, 
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#konsole, #kde_applications, #vdg, ngraham, cblack, konkinartem, ian, jguidon, 
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T10243: Some KDE applications could use better icons

[Christoph Cullmann]

cullmann added a comment.


  In T10243#201341 , @alex-l wrote:
  
  > Here there is an example of brand artwork using that diagonal shape for 
Konsole:
  >
  > F7377581: immagine.png 
  >
  > Edit: to be honest I think this is both distinctive and descriptive:
  >
  > F7378079: immagine.png 
  
  
  Yes, I think even the icon alone is recognizable enough.

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elvisangelaccio, kossebau, trickyricky26, ndavis, yurchor, #kde_games, #ark, 
#kde_pim, #discover_software_store, #yakuake, #kate, #okular, #gwenview, 
#konsole, #kde_applications, #vdg, ngraham, cblack, konkinartem, ian, jguidon, 
hannahk, Ghost6, jraleigh, MrPepe, fbampaloukas, squeakypancakes, alexde, GB_2, 
crozbo, firef, alexeymin, skadinna, genaxxx, aaronhoneycutt, jriddell, 
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T10243: Some KDE applications could use better icons

[Filip Fila]

filipf added a comment.


  In T10243#201303 , @ngraham wrote:
  
  > Yeah, an app's icon is a part of its branding. It //should// look 
distinctive, not generic. Ideally it communicates both its purpose ("I'm a text 
editor!") as well as its identity ("I'm Kate!"). I think the problem with some 
of these icons is that they only do the former, not the latter. I don't think 
there is a conflict here, though!
  
  
  This seems like the crux of the issue to me, I don't think it's that much 
about the flat vs. skeuo debate.
  
  Some icons listed here are distinguishable, still do a decent job in terms of 
branding, and would maybe only benefit from a little tweaking (e.g. Gwenview). 
But others such as the Okular, Konsole, Kate, KWrite, Yakuake, and the previous 
version of the Kolf icon look somewhat generic to me.

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elvisangelaccio, kossebau, trickyricky26, ndavis, yurchor, #kde_games, #ark, 
#kde_pim, #discover_software_store, #yakuake, #kate, #okular, #gwenview, 
#konsole, #kde_applications, #vdg, ngraham, cblack, konkinartem, ian, jguidon, 
hannahk, Ghost6, jraleigh, MrPepe, fbampaloukas, squeakypancakes, alexde, GB_2, 
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T10243: Some KDE applications could use better icons

[Alessandro Longo]

alex-l added a comment.


  Here there is an example of brand artwork using that diagonal shape for 
Konsole:
  
  F7377581: immagine.png 

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abetts, stikonas, knauss, mglb, filipf, mludwig, aacid, lesliezhai, 
elvisangelaccio, kossebau, trickyricky26, ndavis, yurchor, #kde_games, #ark, 
#kde_pim, #discover_software_store, #yakuake, #kate, #okular, #gwenview, 
#konsole, #kde_applications, #vdg, ngraham, cblack, konkinartem, ian, jguidon, 
hannahk, Ghost6, jraleigh, MrPepe, fbampaloukas, squeakypancakes, alexde, GB_2, 
crozbo, firef, alexeymin, skadinna, genaxxx, aaronhoneycutt, jriddell, 
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T10243: Some KDE applications could use better icons

[Alessandro Longo]

alex-l added a comment.


  What do you think about this kind of icon? This one is for Discover: the 
puzzle pieces indicate apps and other addons, the triangles the packages that 
ship the apps and the ">" shape looks like Plasma logo.
  
  F7377482: immagine.png 

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abetts, stikonas, knauss, mglb, filipf, mludwig, aacid, lesliezhai, 
elvisangelaccio, kossebau, trickyricky26, ndavis, yurchor, #kde_games, #ark, 
#kde_pim, #discover_software_store, #yakuake, #kate, #okular, #gwenview, 
#konsole, #kde_applications, #vdg, ngraham, cblack, konkinartem, ian, jguidon, 
hannahk, Ghost6, jraleigh, MrPepe, fbampaloukas, squeakypancakes, alexde, GB_2, 
crozbo, firef, alexeymin, skadinna, genaxxx, aaronhoneycutt, jriddell, 
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T10243: Some KDE applications could use better icons

[Alessandro Longo]

alex-l added a comment.


  In T10243#201336 , @starbuck wrote:
  
  > Maybe look forward for this then for Plasma 6?
  
  
  Good idea, for me.

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abetts, stikonas, knauss, mglb, filipf, mludwig, aacid, lesliezhai, 
elvisangelaccio, kossebau, trickyricky26, ndavis, yurchor, #kde_games, #ark, 
#kde_pim, #discover_software_store, #yakuake, #kate, #okular, #gwenview, 
#konsole, #kde_applications, #vdg, ngraham, cblack, konkinartem, ian, jguidon, 
hannahk, Ghost6, jraleigh, MrPepe, fbampaloukas, squeakypancakes, alexde, GB_2, 
crozbo, firef, alexeymin, skadinna, genaxxx, aaronhoneycutt, jriddell, 
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[okular] [Bug 412002] Zoom out doesn't go beyond "Fit Width"

[Nate Graham]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=412002

--- Comment #1 from Nate Graham  ---
Huh, works for me in git master.

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T10243: Some KDE applications could use better icons

[Clemens Toennies]

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  I'd agree that flatness taken too far becomes unattractive/dull also for me
  personally. When comparing Breeze and latest Iphone icons though, I think
  our set looks awesomeness, it is so good that i have yet to find something
  else that i would stick to and not go back to Breeze after relative short
  time, elemantary included. Since its all subjective, I am not sure if
  changing some of Breeze would make things better, but leave everyone
  unsatisfied in the end, as current Gwenview, K3B fit imho so good with the
  rest that starting to change them would rather require a new style
  altogether than mixing or going halfway back to something Oxygen-like?
  Maybe look forward for this then for Plasma 6?

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T10243: Some KDE applications could use better icons

[Friedrich W. H. Kossebau]

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  In T10243#201331 , @ngraham wrote:
  
  > cold, barren, and excessively harsh and masculine. But you also don't go 
overboard on ornamentation or else it feels smothering, claustrophobic, and 
excessively feminine.
  
  
  I object to this attribution of sex. This is an expression of certain 
culture, please keep it to that one.

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[okular] [Bug 412002] Zoom out doesn't go beyond "Fit Width"

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T10243: Some KDE applications could use better icons

[Nathaniel Graham]

ngraham added a comment.


  In T10243#201332 , @alex-l wrote:
  
  > @ngraham I don't know about macOS, but ElementaryOS icons look so good 
because they are designed for each size and I don't think we have the manpower 
to do that to Breeze icons.
  
  
  But we already do this. Despite the fact that we use arbitrarily scalable SVG 
icons, we generally provide several sizes for each one so they look 
pixel-perfect at the common sizes that they're intended to be viewed at.
  
  > The diagonal thing in Konsole icon is to add some identity, without it we 
would have a classic terminal icon. Any ideas on how to add identity in general?
  
  Maybe we could play with the KDE logo and render it or parts of it in ASCII 
on the screen? We probably need to keep the `>_` symbolism though because we 
use this all over the place to mean "terminal stuff"

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T10243: Some KDE applications could use better icons

[Nathaniel Graham]

ngraham added a comment.


  In T10243#201329 , @alex-l wrote:
  
  > EDIT: I have already said this here and there but please don't run any 
automated script to SVG icons, because when opening them back in Inkscape they 
are corrupted and everytime I edit a Breeze icon I have to do additional work 
to fix shapes and gradients corrupted by the scripts.
  
  
  This is something you should bring up in the VDG chatroom and discuss with 
@ndavis in particular as we currently make heavy use of these scripts for 
optimization purposes. Hopefully we can come up with a solution together.

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T10243: Some KDE applications could use better icons

[Alessandro Longo]

alex-l added a comment.


  @ngraham I don't know about macOS, but ElementaryOS icons look so good 
because they are designed for each size and I don't think we have the manpower 
to do that to Breeze icons.
  
  The diagonal thing in Konsole icon is to add some identity, without it we 
would have a classic terminal icon. Any ideas on how to add identity in general?

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T10243: Some KDE applications could use better icons

[Nathaniel Graham]

ngraham added a comment.


  I have a problem with //extreme// minimalism in same the way that I have a 
problem with extreme ornamentation. I don't like either one, when taken too 
far. The problem with doing this is that it irritates people who really dislike 
that style, and they push you to go in the opposite direction, and then the 
people who dislike that style object and push you back, and so on forever.
  
  This is by no means limited to icons; it's part of a global aesthetic cycle 
that has played out across the centuries. The way the excessively ornamented 
romantic style gave way to modernism in art and architecture is a great example.
  
  In my opinion, the best way out of this seemingly endless cycle is balance: 
you strive for simplicity, but with reasonable ornamentation. In the same way 
that artists and architects are re-discovering the value of targeted 
ornamentation in their designs, so too can we--but in a reasonable, focused 
way. You can't go too simple, or else it looks cold, barren, and excessively 
harsh and masculine. But you also don't go overboard on ornamentation or else 
it feels smothering, claustrophobic, and excessively feminine. A pleasing 
mixture is needed.
  
  In my opinion, macOS and ElementaryOS icons do a great job of this. They're 
simple, but not too simple. That have visual flourishes, but they don't go 
overboard. And they just look rich and beautiful. IMO. :)
  
  Regarding the Konsole icon, I like the idea of drawing a frame around the 
dark part to make it look more like an old-fashioned terminal and provide 
better visual continuity with the original Konsole icon (which after all we are 
trying to be faithful to). I'm not sure I like the diagonal swooshy bit that 
appears to overlap the central display though. It looks sort of weird and out 
of place. IMO it would look better without that. I also don't think the symbols 
in the middle need soft shadows. That makes then seem like they're popping out 
of the display when in fact the opposite is true: they're embedded within it. 
An embossed effect might be better, if anything at all is needed.

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T10243: Some KDE applications could use better icons

[Alessandro Longo]

alex-l added a comment.


  @ngraham  I think you have a problem with minimalism :) original Breeze icon 
for Gwenview, Kate and KWrite were even worse than the current ones by me, in 
fact I already tried to go back to some Oxygen style.
  
  For reference, original Gwenview icon was the second one and Kate's the one 
between the hard drive and the calculator:
  F7377216: immagine.png 
  
  To better understand, do you like these additions to Konsole icon and if yes, 
which one? The style can be tweaked of course:
  F7377220: immagine.png 

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D15580: [WIP] New annotation toolbar

[Simone Gaiarin]

simgunz added a comment.


  Sorry for the long silence. I have been busy at work and then on vacation.
  
  Personally I do not like the idea of the vertical toolbar specifically for
  Okular for the following reasons:
  
  - Okular differently from Gwenview already has a tab bar, which means that
  
  further splitting the reviews tab into two pieces add another nesting
  level.
  
  - Splitting the Review tab horizontally with the toolbar on top and the
  
  reviews below seems quite cluttered to me. Also that review tab could be
  improved (see T8553 ) and may require all 
the vertical space (e.g. show the
  full text of the notes, allow to reply, etc. See Foxit for example).
  
  - It is not possible to build the toolbar with KXMLGUI as it is now, but
  
  needs to be built programmatically (I think). The Gwenview toolbar is not a
  standard toolbar, indeed it cannot be edited or moved.
  
  The reasons for which I prefer to make the annotation toolbar a standard
  toolbar displaying only the icons are:
  
  - Many other programs have similar icon-only toolbars (e.g. libreoffice,
  
  and also other PDF viewers e.g. MacOS viewer and Adobe reader). For the
  annotation toolbar I would conform with the other PDF viewers.
  
  - The icon buttons have tooltips and likely the users will quickly learn
  
  them
  
  - The toolbar is standard and can be customized by the user.

REPOSITORY
  R223 Okular

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T10243: Some KDE applications could use better icons

[Nathaniel Graham]

ngraham added a comment.


  The problem I have with Gwenview's icon is that it just feels inferior to the 
Oxygen one.
  
  The Oxygen icon has presence and communicates a style and brand, but doesn't 
really do a good job indicating what the app does. The Breeze icon feels like 
it tries to fix that problem by putting a monochrome image inside the eyeball, 
but I don't think it really works because the symbol is small and it's only 
part of the original image symbol, and in the process the icon loses the 
presence of the Oxygen icon. It doesn't really look much like an eyeball 
anymore, and the pink color is so pale and unappealing (IMO) compared to the 
original.
  
  In general it's a good idea to make the icon more obviously an image viewer 
but I don't think the current approach works. I think just making a Breezey 
version of the original icon would be more respectful to it. If it's deemed 
absolutely necessary to reinforce the "Hey, I'm an image viewer" information, 
maybe put the breeze-style eyeball inside a picture frame or something.

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T10243: Some KDE applications could use better icons

[Marijo Mustac]

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T10243: Some KDE applications could use better icons

[Alessandro Longo]

alex-l added a comment.


  Just to be clear, is Gwenview icon enough descriptive and distinctive at the 
same time?

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T10243: Some KDE applications could use better icons

[Nathaniel Graham]

ngraham added a comment.


  Yeah, an app's icon is a part of its branding. It //should// look 
distinctive, not generic. Ideally it communicates both its purpose ("I'm a text 
editor!") as well as its identity ("I'm Kate!"). I think the problem with some 
of these icons is that they on;y do the former, not the latter.
  
  The fact that we have a consistent visual style for Breeze icons is already 
something that builds the KDE brand. But that doesn't require that individual 
app icons are generic-looking and lack identity for the apps themselves.

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T10243: Some KDE applications could use better icons

[Alessandro Longo]

alex-l added a comment.


  In T10243#201291 , @cullmann wrote:
  
  > Actually, that is exactly what I want to have: an arbitrary logo that is 
distinguishable.
  >  It does Kate a big disservice that we have no icon like 
Atom/Sublime/Vim/... 
  >  A generic "text" icon is nice for a mime-type.
  >  Users will easily detect where to start Atom, but not where to start Kate, 
as it could just be any other "editor".
  
  
  Distinghishable from other editors maybe, but here we have different ideas of 
what an app icon is. For me, the app icon is that UI element that let you start 
the app and indicate the app in the task managers etc. In this context, with 
the user having to start a text editor, the icon must be descriptive.
  
  Instead in the context of building branding to compete with other similar 
apps the icon and the logo could be the same. I don't think this was the case 
for KDE apps like Kate, KWrite and Gwenview and so they have those icons.
  
  In case one wants to build a strong brand for a KDE app, especially if it's 
available for other platforms, he should first design a logo and then an icon 
that would be at the same time similar to the logo and descriptive of what the 
app does. See for example Kdenlive.

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T10243: Some KDE applications could use better icons

[Friedrich W. H. Kossebau]

kossebau added a comment.


  Sounds like there should be some additional "Generic icon" entry in the 
app/desktopfile metadata, so people can decide whether they want to see 
brand-based icons or function-based icons, like there is with "Name" & "Generic 
Name".

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T10243: Some KDE applications could use better icons

[Christoph Cullmann]

cullmann added a comment.


  Actually, that is exactly what I want to have: an arbitrary logo that is 
distinguishable.
  It does Kate a big disservice that we have no icon like Atom/Sublime/Vim/... 
  A generic "text" icon is nice for a mime-type.
  Users will easily detect where to start Atom, but not where to start Kate, as 
it could just be any other "editor".

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T10243: Some KDE applications could use better icons

[Alessandro Longo]

alex-l added a comment.


  Hey there, Gwenview, Kate and Kwrite icons are by me.
  
  I'm here just to point out that those are icons i.e. UI elements. They must 
be simple and descriptive of what the app does.
  
  Instead if it's a matter of identity what you need is a logo and other 
artworks.
  
  Please don't turn those icons in arbitrary logos like other apps do, like 
Atom text editor or VS Code.

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T10243: Some KDE applications could use better icons

[Clemens Toennies]

starbuck added a comment.


  Personally I find the Breeze icons dope, especially Kontact, Yakuake, K3b and 
Ark.

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[okular] [Bug 396137] Okular hangs when scrolling fast on both pdf and djvu documents

[Oliver Sander]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=396137

--- Comment #8 from Oliver Sander  ---
The problem just happened to me again, and from my extra debugging output I can
now confirm that Albert's conjecture in Comment 6 is correct.  No idea as to
*why* that happens, though.

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