[new feature] request for suppotring chart in pptx
The pptx chart data source been saved in pptx file package as a separate file in xlsx format or binary format, and zipped with pptx file together. But there is data cache saved with chart description in chart.xml. After this part of implementation, the chart could be imported and will show the same with originally in MS Office. For the basic scenario, the pptx chart can be imported correctly in Aoo. Detail is in the attachment. 2012-09-05 tanmgeng
[QA][CALLFORREVIEW] [testuno] Delete contents(Text/Number/Formula/Comment/Format/Object) in Spreadsheet.
Hi All, One UNO API script for spreadsheet has been submitted as a bug 120817 in BugZilla. https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=120817 This patch including: Execute delete Text, Verify results after delete text Execute delete Number, Verify results after delete number Execute delete Formula, Verify results after delete formula Execute delete Comment, Verify results after delete comment Execute delete Format, Verify results after delete format Execute delete Drawing Object, Verify results after delete object and also attached one sample file into Bug. please help on reivew it. thank you, Bin
Re: [new feature] request for suppotring chart in pptx
No attachment? Besides, it would be helpful to record more details in wiki. 2012/9/5 tanmgeng tmyl2...@gmail.com ** The pptx chart data source been saved in pptx file package as a separate file in xlsx format or binary format, and zipped with pptx file together. But there is data cache saved with chart description in chart.xml. After this part of implementation, the chart could be imported and will show the same with originally in MS Office. For the basic scenario, the pptx chart can be imported correctly in Aoo. Detail is in the attachment. 2012-09-05 -- tanmgeng
Re: [QA Call For Review] Test Plan and Test Case for bug 120576, 120578
My suggestion is split one case to several, each case should cover one sample file at most. If one sample test failed, it will only impact one test case not all of them. 2012/9/5 dongjun zong zongdj...@gmail.com JinLong, Suggest also cover linux and mac platform for your test. 2012/9/4 Jinlong Wu wujinl...@gmail.com Hi, Would anyone help to review my test plan and test case for bug 120576 and 120578? https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=120795 Thanks! -- Thanks! Regards, DongJun Zong -- Thanks Best Regards, Yan Ji
[Call-for-Review]Bug 119716 - the chart lost when open the MS2007 docx sample file.
Hi, all I had a fix for bug 119716 https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=119716 The sample file look good on my working copy Could anyone help me to review the fix? Thank you! bo.tian
Re: Distribution Project - Update
On Sep 4, 2012, at 7:11 PM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote: Hi John, Are there any updates on this? I have asked a little while ago with no response. I am willing to get this up and running. Please let me know. I'd like to preface Rob's answers with a couple of remarks. I went to your website [1] where it is clear that your company is in the business of selling support for openoffice.org. There is nothing wrong with that as long as it fits the new rules here at The Apache Software Foundation. The Apache License allows you to do as you wish as long as you respect the trademarks. [2] Guidelines are found here [3] and here [4]. The distribution page is here [5] we appreciate your offer to help. It is important for everyone in the OpenOffice ecosystem to be as successful as possible. Rob's questions are good, but I think that understanding and how to navigate the above would be most helpful in determining how update and improve the message. I'll answer some of Rob's questions in that context. [1] http://www.123openoffice.com/ [2] http://www.apache.org/licenses/LICENSE-2.0.html [3] http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/ [4] http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/trademarks.html [5] http://www.openoffice.org/distribution/ Is it clear, from the previous discussions, what the range of concerns were? If so feel free to make a proposal. Any community member can do this. The questions I want to see addressed in a proposal would be: 1. What does it mean to be a distributor? Any requirements? If so how are these checked? This could be certification of passing the above and getting a trademark and project approval. 2. Where on the website do we list distributors? What disclaimer should we include? We should list those who have been reviewed for trademark compliance. 3. How do we ensure the list remains accurate and fair? 4. Do we anticipate any logo or other trademark use in conjunction with this program? This site uses the openoffice.org community distributor logo/ Obviously some of the questions are interdependent. At the easiest level, a simple list, managed by distributors on a wiki page, with a disclaimer, would be easy to implement. The list should be about how to get trademark approval. When I say the easiest level I mean no logo or other trademark use beyond permitted nominative use, which requires no special permission. Beyond that we'd need additional structure and process. But maybe simple is good enough? -Rob But as important the page should be about how to get a site added in a way that is most painless. Perhaps we already have that in the links above. HTH, Dave Regards, -Rob Thanks, John
Re: Re: [new feature] request for suppotring chart in pptx
I am sorry. This missing of attachment may be caused by my mail client. The attachment is in this link: https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=120805 2012-09-05 tangmeng 发件人： bjcheny 发送时间： 2012-09-05 14:53:58 收件人： ooo-dev 抄送： 主题： Re: [new feature] request for suppotring chart in pptx No attachment? Besides, it would be helpful to record more details in wiki. 2012/9/5 tanmgeng tmyl2...@gmail.com ** The pptx chart data source been saved in pptx file package as a separate file in xlsx format or binary format, and zipped with pptx file together. But there is data cache saved with chart description in chart.xml. After this part of implementation, the chart could be imported and will show the same with originally in MS Office. For the basic scenario, the pptx chart can be imported correctly in Aoo. Detail is in the attachment. 2012-09-05 -- tanmgeng
What is a good Project Management Committee member?
Hi all, some time ago we expressed, that we think the project is ready to graduate. In the process of graduating, a proposal for a Project Management Committee (PMC) will be brought to the Apache Board. Although discussion about individual persons will not be done public, it is important to get a shared conviction about the criteria for our PMC members. You find information about project management and the role of the PMC in http://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html With permission of Jürgen Schmidt I will show his items: For me a good PMC member is somebody - who is active and visible in the project. It's important that others can see or better are able to recognize valuable contributions. - who driving the project forward by helping others to join the project, or helping other in general to find their way in the project - who help to grow the eco-system and the popularity of the project, eg. increasing the user base by promoting the project actively on conferences, via new medias, etc. - who take responsibility for tasks that have to be done and that help to drive the project forward or that help to simply run it. - who is able to transport and communicate the vision of the project - who is able to prevent misbehaviour and misconduct on our main communication tool the mailing lists but also on our extended communication tools like social media - who is able to bring in new ideas in the project that opens even more opportunities to grow and to evolve - ... And here my thoughts: A PMC member... ...is a person all can trust in. ...preserves overview about several areas. ...knows, who is expert in a special area, and encourage people from different areas to work together on a topic. ...is willing to guide a newcomer. ...can identify opposite directions in the community before things escalate. ...knows about formal requirements and about the Apache structure. ...has a vision about the direction of the project, but on the other hand accepts reasoned different development without being offended (? German eingeschnappt) ...sets a good example in treating others and working for the project. ...is reliable. ...is willing to assume responsibility. ...puts his heart and passion into the project. Do you miss aspects? Do you think a special item is irrelevant? What is essential? Kind regards Regina
Re: What is a good Project Management Committee member?
On 5 September 2012 09:40, Regina Henschel rb.hensc...@t-online.de wrote: Hi all, some time ago we expressed, that we think the project is ready to graduate. In the process of graduating, a proposal for a Project Management Committee (PMC) will be brought to the Apache Board. Although discussion about individual persons will not be done public, it is important to get a shared conviction about the criteria for our PMC members. You find information about project management and the role of the PMC in http://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html With permission of Jürgen Schmidt I will show his items: For me a good PMC member is somebody - who is active and visible in the project. It's important that others can see or better are able to recognize valuable contributions. - who driving the project forward by helping others to join the project, or helping other in general to find their way in the project - who help to grow the eco-system and the popularity of the project, eg. increasing the user base by promoting the project actively on conferences, via new medias, etc. - who take responsibility for tasks that have to be done and that help to drive the project forward or that help to simply run it. - who is able to transport and communicate the vision of the project - who is able to prevent misbehaviour and misconduct on our main communication tool the mailing lists but also on our extended communication tools like social media - who is able to bring in new ideas in the project that opens even more opportunities to grow and to evolve - ... And here my thoughts: A PMC member... ...is a person all can trust in. ...preserves overview about several areas. ...knows, who is expert in a special area, and encourage people from different areas to work together on a topic. ...is willing to guide a newcomer. ...can identify opposite directions in the community before things escalate. ...knows about formal requirements and about the Apache structure. ...has a vision about the direction of the project, but on the other hand accepts reasoned different development without being offended (? German eingeschnappt) ...sets a good example in treating others and working for the project. ...is reliable. ...is willing to assume responsibility. ...puts his heart and passion into the project. Do you miss aspects? Do you think a special item is irrelevant? What is essential? Is aware of the limitations of mailing lists in communication and actively strives to communicate to engender positive feelings in the audience. Has thought carefully about the role of a PMC member and actively communicated an intention to be active in that role rather than just a name on a list or solely involved in committing code. Kind regards Regina -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications (The Schools ITQ) www.theINGOTs.org +44 (0)1827 305940 The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales.
Re: Distribution Project - Update
On 5 September 2012 09:22, Rob Weir rabas...@gmail.com wrote: On Sep 4, 2012, at 7:11 PM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote: Hi John, Are there any updates on this? I have asked a little while ago with no response. I am willing to get this up and running. Please let me know. I'd like to preface Rob's answers with a couple of remarks. I went to your website [1] where it is clear that your company is in the business of selling support for openoffice.org. There is nothing wrong with that as long as it fits the new rules here at The Apache Software Foundation. The Apache License allows you to do as you wish as long as you respect the trademarks. [2] Guidelines are found here [3] and here [4]. The distribution page is here [5] we appreciate your offer to help. It is important for everyone in the OpenOffice ecosystem to be as successful as possible. Rob's questions are good, but I think that understanding and how to navigate the above would be most helpful in determining how update and improve the message. I'll answer some of Rob's questions in that context. [1] http://www.123openoffice.com/ [2] http://www.apache.org/licenses/LICENSE-2.0.html [3] http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/ [4] http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/trademarks.html [5] http://www.openoffice.org/distribution/ Is it clear, from the previous discussions, what the range of concerns were? If so feel free to make a proposal. Any community member can do this. The questions I want to see addressed in a proposal would be: 1. What does it mean to be a distributor? Any requirements? If so how are these checked? This could be certification of passing the above and getting a trademark and project approval. 2. Where on the website do we list distributors? What disclaimer should we include? We should list those who have been reviewed for trademark compliance. 3. How do we ensure the list remains accurate and fair? 4. Do we anticipate any logo or other trademark use in conjunction with this program? This site uses the openoffice.org community distributor logo/ Obviously some of the questions are interdependent. At the easiest level, a simple list, managed by distributors on a wiki page, with a disclaimer, would be easy to implement. The list should be about how to get trademark approval. When I say the easiest level I mean no logo or other trademark use beyond permitted nominative use, which requires no special permission. Beyond that we'd need additional structure and process. But maybe simple is good enough? In the previous OOo distribution project pretty well anyone could be listed if they provided a distribution service (and didn't make bogus or unethical claims). We used to do it by providing CDs with OOo on them and some additional clip art etc for those with slow download connections. We sold discs at £5 each to cover the preparation posting etc and that was a fairly common practice. We also experimented a bit at shows selling CDs to cover the cost of booth space. That was touch and go as to whether it worked and probably depends on the show. So I'd say low barrier to entry for distributors - we need wide distribution and while fast broadband has reduced the need for CDs etc there is still value in this. I think Sun always treated CD labels carrying the OOo logos and trademarks as nominative use to encourage the widest possible spread. I don't see any advantage in not continuing that policy. I think there is probably untapped opportunities for distribution businesses eg when UK homeless people sell The Big Issue on the streets they could also sell AOO discs, motorway service station racks etc. My view is that we should encourage such enterprises. -Rob But as important the page should be about how to get a site added in a way that is most painless. Perhaps we already have that in the links above. HTH, Dave Regards, -Rob Thanks, John -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications (The Schools ITQ) www.theINGOTs.org +44 (0)1827 305940 The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales.
Re: Distribution Project - Update
Hi Ian and all, 2012/9/5 Ian Lynch ianrly...@gmail.com On 5 September 2012 09:22, Rob Weir rabas...@gmail.com wrote: On Sep 4, 2012, at 7:11 PM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote: [...] I think there is probably untapped opportunities for distribution businesses eg when UK homeless people sell The Big Issue on the streets they could also sell AOO discs, motorway service station racks etc. My view is that we should encourage such enterprises. It's a great idea ! -- gw
Re: Does anyone know the status of OO performance item?
On 9/3/12 11:30 AM, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote: Him On 31.08.2012 10:18, shzh zhao wrote: hi, I found there is an item to improve the OO performance. http://www.openoffice.org/tools/performance/ Investigate reducing the save and load time of OpenOffice.org 6.0 files (XML): - Find where it needs how much time. - Think about where and what to optimize. - Test the above to see how much reduction in save and load time can be achieved, if any. In Progress Sascha Ballach (Spreadsheet) sascha.ball...@germany.sun.com Daniel Vogelheim (Text) daniel.vogelh...@germany.sun.com Björn Milcke (Chart) bjoern.mil...@germany.sun.com Christian Lippka christian.lip...@germany.sun.com Does anyone know the status of this item? This one seems to be very very outdated as OpenOffice.org has introduced ODF as its native format for OOo 2.0 (released 10/2005, if I remember it correct). I would say that we delete this page to avoid further confusion. When we focus on performance and take specific actions and when we want to document it I suggest to create a wiki page if not already one exists. Juergen
[BUILD] FBSD buildbot
We have the opportunity to spin up a BSD buildbot. Pedro (or others) could you share the build script you use to create your builds? Also, are there any special requirements/dependencies that I should know of? Andrew
RE: What is a good Project Management Committee member?
Some musings: 1. I notice that the cafeteria tray is getting very full with these items. 2. I wonder if using a wiki page would be better for consolidating the consideration of traits and distinguishing what a PMC member shall bring to the party beyond being a committer. 3. The Boy Scout Oath came to mind for some reason. Not that it is exactly what we are looking for, but it certainly provides a kind of elevator speech on what makes a Boy Scout. I don't mean this for PMC, but it is interesting as a concept, not in detail. This is what it is in the US, and what it was when I was a Scout some 60 years ago: http://www.usscouts.org/advance/boyscout/bsoath.asp. It's interesting that the Boy Scout Motto is the same everywhere: Be Prepared. 4. FOCUS ON COMMUNITY BUILDING? Something that has been a struggle on the PPMC is addressing the Podling's actual preparedness and qualification for graduation (the public sentiment that AOO is ready not being enough). In grappling with how qualification is demonstrated in terms of what the ASF requires of a Top Level Project there is a serious question concerning how well the AOO PPMC fosters community and a healthy project. It might be that this trait and how PMC members actively contribute to it is a critical place to focus. It is a duty of the PMC, and it is above and beyond the technical skills of the individual members. Without it, AOOi does not graduate. 5. SO WHAT IS A HEALTHY, COMMUNITY-FOSTERING PROJECT? What is meant by community? Shane Curcuru's blog is named Community Before Code. What does that mean and what does the PMC and its membership bring to its fulfillment? 6. I am willing to be perfectly clueless about this and ask those already steeped in the Apache Way for guidance. Based on recent discussions with Shane, I think I see the AOO community a bit more broadly than he might. But that doesn't matter. I think the traits of interest aren't contingent on having agreement on community scope, but its healthy fostering. What would that be? And how is it manifest and evident to all onlookers? - Dennis -Original Message- From: Ian Lynch [mailto:ianrly...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2012 02:32 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: What is a good Project Management Committee member? On 5 September 2012 09:40, Regina Henschel rb.hensc...@t-online.de wrote: Hi all, some time ago we expressed, that we think the project is ready to graduate. In the process of graduating, a proposal for a Project Management Committee (PMC) will be brought to the Apache Board. Although discussion about individual persons will not be done public, it is important to get a shared conviction about the criteria for our PMC members. You find information about project management and the role of the PMC in http://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html With permission of Jürgen Schmidt I will show his items: For me a good PMC member is somebody - who is active and visible in the project. It's important that others can see or better are able to recognize valuable contributions. - who driving the project forward by helping others to join the project, or helping other in general to find their way in the project - who help to grow the eco-system and the popularity of the project, eg. increasing the user base by promoting the project actively on conferences, via new medias, etc. - who take responsibility for tasks that have to be done and that help to drive the project forward or that help to simply run it. - who is able to transport and communicate the vision of the project - who is able to prevent misbehaviour and misconduct on our main communication tool the mailing lists but also on our extended communication tools like social media - who is able to bring in new ideas in the project that opens even more opportunities to grow and to evolve - ... And here my thoughts: A PMC member... ...is a person all can trust in. ...preserves overview about several areas. ...knows, who is expert in a special area, and encourage people from different areas to work together on a topic. ...is willing to guide a newcomer. ...can identify opposite directions in the community before things escalate. ...knows about formal requirements and about the Apache structure. ...has a vision about the direction of the project, but on the other hand accepts reasoned different development without being offended (? German eingeschnappt) ...sets a good example in treating others and working for the project. ...is reliable. ...is willing to assume responsibility. ...puts his heart and passion into the project. Do you miss aspects? Do you think a special item is irrelevant? What is essential? Is aware of the limitations of mailing lists in communication and actively strives to communicate to engender positive feelings in the audience. Has thought carefully about the role of a PMC member
Re: What is a good Project Management Committee member?
On 9/5/12 11:32 AM, Ian Lynch wrote: On 5 September 2012 09:40, Regina Henschel rb.hensc...@t-online.de wrote: Hi all, some time ago we expressed, that we think the project is ready to graduate. In the process of graduating, a proposal for a Project Management Committee (PMC) will be brought to the Apache Board. Although discussion about individual persons will not be done public, it is important to get a shared conviction about the criteria for our PMC members. You find information about project management and the role of the PMC in http://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html With permission of Jürgen Schmidt I will show his items: For me a good PMC member is somebody - who is active and visible in the project. It's important that others can see or better are able to recognize valuable contributions. - who driving the project forward by helping others to join the project, or helping other in general to find their way in the project - who help to grow the eco-system and the popularity of the project, eg. increasing the user base by promoting the project actively on conferences, via new medias, etc. - who take responsibility for tasks that have to be done and that help to drive the project forward or that help to simply run it. - who is able to transport and communicate the vision of the project - who is able to prevent misbehaviour and misconduct on our main communication tool the mailing lists but also on our extended communication tools like social media - who is able to bring in new ideas in the project that opens even more opportunities to grow and to evolve - ... And here my thoughts: A PMC member... ...is a person all can trust in. ...preserves overview about several areas. ...knows, who is expert in a special area, and encourage people from different areas to work together on a topic. ...is willing to guide a newcomer. ...can identify opposite directions in the community before things escalate. ...knows about formal requirements and about the Apache structure. ...has a vision about the direction of the project, but on the other hand accepts reasoned different development without being offended (? German eingeschnappt) ...sets a good example in treating others and working for the project. ...is reliable. ...is willing to assume responsibility. ...puts his heart and passion into the project. Do you miss aspects? Do you think a special item is irrelevant? What is essential? Is aware of the limitations of mailing lists in communication and actively strives to communicate to engender positive feelings in the audience. Has thought carefully about the role of a PMC member and actively communicated an intention to be active in that role rather than just a name on a list or solely involved in committing code. we had already some longer discussions on this topic on our private list which was the result or part of an ongoing process to define a final PMC that we want to suggest to the IPMC and board as it is required for graduation. Regina has provided a link that give you further information about this topic and what it means to be a PMC. I would like to ask everybody (and especially the PPMC members) here to think about this as individual and what it means for themselves or if they would be interested in being a PMC. Maybe some questions that you can answer yourself can help to find an answer: - What is my intention with this project? - Why I am here and what do I want to achieve? - What is my main interest and how do I want to contribute? - Is being a PMC member a status symbol for me? - Is being a PMC member a privilege or a burden? - Do I want or I am ready to take the responsibility and role of a PMC member? - Do I want to be a committer or is being a committer enough for me and enough to achieve my goals and interests here? - Being a PMC member is important to me, why? How I do I want to contribute as PMC member? Don't put too much weight in the questions, the intention is only to give you some ideas. Please build your own picture and take it serious. And the most important point is whatever you will find out for yourself, it doesn't prevent you to be part and an active member of this project. You don't even have to be a committer to be part of this project. Being a committer simplifies often some things and is of course recommended over time if you plan to be a code contributor. And if you think you can do more for the project and in the community you can take at any time the necessary actions to become a PMC member. Simply keep in mind that PMC membership can't be bought, can't be required or expected. It have to be earned by appropriate actions... We will continue the selection of our final PMC and it is important to understand that we try to find the best solution from a project perspective. We had the special situation that we had many initial committers who took the opportunity at the beginning of the project to become
Restore Windows bug on OS X Lion Mountain Lion
Is any work being done on this serious bug on Macs OS X ver. 10.7 10.8? There have been many help requests on the user forum and on the ooo-users mailing list. There are many duplicate bug reports open for this issue: Bug 119006 - Restore windows problem Bug 119236 - Restoring windows error message Bug 120361 - restore Windows Bug 120577 - after download and install displays Restore windows pop-up which freezes on screen Bug 120618 - Will Not Allow Me to Close Program Bug 120793 - Restore Windows does not go away Bug 120814 - Force Close Error I had expected this would be fixed for the AOO 3.4.1 release, but apparently it hasn't. This is a serious impediment for using AOO on recent versions os OS X -- _ Larry I. Gusaas Moose Jaw, Saskatchewan Canada Website: http://larry-gusaas.com An artist is never ahead of his time but most people are far behind theirs. - Edgard Varese
Re: Restore Windows bug on OS X Lion Mountain Lion
Am Mittwoch, 5. September 2012 um 22:09 schrieb Larry Gusaas: Is any work being done on this serious bug on Macs OS X ver. 10.7 10.8? There have been many help requests on the user forum and on the ooo-users mailing list. I am not aware of any work on this issue. I am working on MacOS 10.7.x and haven't notice this problem by myself so far. But the many duplicate issues are a signal that is serious. We should take a closer look on it... Juergen There are many duplicate bug reports open for this issue: Bug 119006 - Restore windows problem Bug 119236 - Restoring windows error message Bug 120361 - restore Windows Bug 120577 - after download and install displays Restore windows pop-up which freezes on screen Bug 120618 - Will Not Allow Me to Close Program Bug 120793 - Restore Windows does not go away Bug 120814 - Force Close Error I had expected this would be fixed for the AOO 3.4.1 release, but apparently it hasn't. This is a serious impediment for using AOO on recent versions os OS X -- _ Larry I. Gusaas Moose Jaw, Saskatchewan Canada Website: http://larry-gusaas.com An artist is never ahead of his time but most people are far behind theirs. - Edgard Varese
Re: Restore Windows bug on OS X Lion Mountain Lion
On 2012-09-05 2:36 PM Juergen Schmidt wrote: Am Mittwoch, 5. September 2012 um 22:09 schrieb Larry Gusaas: Is any work being done on this serious bug on Macs OS X ver. 10.7 10.8? There have been many help requests on the user forum and on the ooo-users mailing list. I am not aware of any work on this issue. I am working on MacOS 10.7.x and haven't notice this problem by myself so far. But the many duplicate issues are a signal that is serious. We should take a closer look on it... Juergen I am using 10.6 so I can't check this. Someone on one of the many threads on the forum about this issue stated that he could reproduce this at any time by Force Quitting AOO. Hope this helps. -- _ Larry I. Gusaas Moose Jaw, Saskatchewan Canada Website: http://larry-gusaas.com An artist is never ahead of his time but most people are far behind theirs. - Edgard Varese
Re: board report for Sept. 20, 2012
On 09/04/2012 09:04 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: Minor correction: The proposal is at http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/September2012 down the list of reports in their alphabetical order. - Dennis yes, thanks for the correction Dennis and for forging ahead with this Dave. -Original Message- From: Dave Fisher [mailto:dave2w...@comcast.net] Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2012 20:50 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Cc: orc...@apache.org Subject: Re: board report for Sept. 20, 2012 Hi, Thanks. I've essentially followed your suggestions. I hope that others will review the wiki at https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/2012+Sept before it is moved to http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/June2012 on Wednesday. The report has been moved to the incubator wiki. Please let us know if you think anything should be edited. Regards, Dave [ ... ] -- MzK We never sit anything out. We are cups, constantly and quietly being filled. The trick is, knowing how to tip ourselves over and let the beautiful stuff out. -- Ray Bradbury, Zen in the Art of Writing
Re: Restore Windows bug on OS X Lion Mountain Lion
Will try to recreate on 10.8.1... On Sep 5, 2012, at 4:09 PM, Larry Gusaas larry.gus...@gmail.com wrote: Is any work being done on this serious bug on Macs OS X ver. 10.7 10.8? There have been many help requests on the user forum and on the ooo-users mailing list. There are many duplicate bug reports open for this issue: Bug 119006 - Restore windows problem Bug 119236 - Restoring windows error message Bug 120361 - restore Windows Bug 120577 - after download and install displays Restore windows pop-up which freezes on screen Bug 120618 - Will Not Allow Me to Close Program Bug 120793 - Restore Windows does not go away Bug 120814 - Force Close Error I had expected this would be fixed for the AOO 3.4.1 release, but apparently it hasn't. This is a serious impediment for using AOO on recent versions os OS X -- _ Larry I. Gusaas Moose Jaw, Saskatchewan Canada Website: http://larry-gusaas.com An artist is never ahead of his time but most people are far behind theirs. - Edgard Varese
Re: board report for Sept. 20, 2012
Sorry, when I'm a bit late with this. Not that it makes a real difference. But in the March and June report it was named OpenOffice (was OpenOffice.org). Now it's again OpenOffice.org. Furthermore, I don't like the formulation We expect to graduate in the next quarter. Maybe it's because I'm not a native speaker but for me it sounds like too much demanding. A sentence like We plan and work to fulfill graduation in the next quarter. fits much better. Of course, my 2 ct. Marcus Am 09/05/2012 11:01 PM, schrieb Kay Schenk: On 09/04/2012 09:04 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: Minor correction: The proposal is at http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/September2012 down the list of reports in their alphabetical order. - Dennis yes, thanks for the correction Dennis and for forging ahead with this Dave. -Original Message- From: Dave Fisher [mailto:dave2w...@comcast.net] Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2012 20:50 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Cc: orc...@apache.org Subject: Re: board report for Sept. 20, 2012 Hi, Thanks. I've essentially followed your suggestions. I hope that others will review the wiki at https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/2012+Sept before it is moved to http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/June2012 on Wednesday. The report has been moved to the incubator wiki. Please let us know if you think anything should be edited. Regards, Dave [ ... ]
Re: board report for Sept. 20, 2012
Hi, On Sep 5, 2012, at 2:29 PM, Marcus (OOo) wrote: Sorry, when I'm a bit late with this. Not too late. The mentors have not signed off and the IPMC takes at least a week to review. Not that it makes a real difference. But in the March and June report it was named OpenOffice (was OpenOffice.org). Now it's again OpenOffice.org. Done. Officially in the Incubator records we are OpenOffice.org, but podling name changes are not uncommon. Furthermore, I don't like the formulation We expect to graduate in the next quarter. Maybe it's because I'm not a native speaker but for me it sounds like too much demanding. A sentence like We plan and work to fulfill graduation in the next quarter. fits much better. I changed to We are working to fulfill graduation requirements in the next quarter. Of course, my 2 ct. Worth more than that. Regards, Dave Marcus Am 09/05/2012 11:01 PM, schrieb Kay Schenk: On 09/04/2012 09:04 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: Minor correction: The proposal is at http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/September2012 down the list of reports in their alphabetical order. - Dennis yes, thanks for the correction Dennis and for forging ahead with this Dave. -Original Message- From: Dave Fisher [mailto:dave2w...@comcast.net] Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2012 20:50 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Cc: orc...@apache.org Subject: Re: board report for Sept. 20, 2012 Hi, Thanks. I've essentially followed your suggestions. I hope that others will review the wiki at https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/2012+Sept before it is moved to http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/June2012 on Wednesday. The report has been moved to the incubator wiki. Please let us know if you think anything should be edited. Regards, Dave [ ... ]
Re: [BUILD] FBSD buildbot
Hello Andrew; Are you aware what you are asking? ;). An alternative would be that we can send you a modified port Makefile that fetches the files from SVN and applies the patches, etc, but I guess you will prefer to use a unified buildscript for linux/BSD instead. For our local package we use all the prepackaged dependencies we can. The build process is very similar to linux but we usually don't carry the GNU stuff (bash, patch) in the base system. You can look at the requirements here: http://www.freshports.org/editors/openoffice-3-devel For a standalone build, you have to install at least the following packages: archivers/p5-Archive-Zip, devel/patch shells/bash devel/dmake devel/gmake devel/gperf (only on FreeBSD =9.0) java/openjdk6 textproc/libxslt You can use pkg_add -r for those, plus you will need X11/cups. It is key to define bash as /usr/local/bin/bash. GNU patch is gpatch and also the system gperf on most FreeBSD older releases was not up to date so you may have to use the packaged version. You will also likely need to apply patch-* from here: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/ports/editors/openoffice-3-devel/files/ Long, long ago I was using the attached script but it is only useful as reference. For our build flags you may want to check CONFIGURE_ARGS from the current ports build file: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/ports/editors/openoffice-3-devel/Makefile?rev=1.545;content-type=text%2Fplain Hope that helps to get started, and of course feel free to ask. Pedro. From: Andrew Rist andrew.r...@oracle.com To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Sent: Wednesday, September 5, 2012 1:30 PM Subject: [BUILD] FBSD buildbot We have the opportunity to spin up a BSD buildbot. Pedro (or others) could you share the build script you use to create your builds? Also, are there any special requirements/dependencies that I should know of? Andrew ooo-build.sh Description: application/shellscript
Re: Distribution Project - Update
On 5 September 2012 13:37, Guy Waterval waterval@gmail.com wrote: Hi Ian and all, 2012/9/5 Ian Lynch ianrly...@gmail.com On 5 September 2012 09:22, Rob Weir rabas...@gmail.com wrote: On Sep 4, 2012, at 7:11 PM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote: [...] I think there is probably untapped opportunities for distribution businesses eg when UK homeless people sell The Big Issue on the streets they could also sell AOO discs, motorway service station racks etc. My view is that we should encourage such enterprises. It's a great idea ! Maybe when the project graduates with a full pmc someone can take responsibility for these external links to the wider ecosystem. In ASF what was considered the community in OOo (marketing distribution etc) seems to be considered the wider ecosystem so we might need a little time to adjust to different structures. In the end we need people outside the immediate code development effort to develop ideas for increasing take up and to do that needs to minimise barriers while at the same time keeping things like the branding secure. -- gw -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications (The Schools ITQ) www.theINGOTs.org +44 (0)1827 305940 The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales.
Re: Distribution Project - Update
On Sep 5, 2012, at 3:34 PM, Ian Lynch wrote: On 5 September 2012 13:37, Guy Waterval waterval@gmail.com wrote: Hi Ian and all, 2012/9/5 Ian Lynch ianrly...@gmail.com On 5 September 2012 09:22, Rob Weir rabas...@gmail.com wrote: On Sep 4, 2012, at 7:11 PM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote: [...] I think there is probably untapped opportunities for distribution businesses eg when UK homeless people sell The Big Issue on the streets they could also sell AOO discs, motorway service station racks etc. My view is that we should encourage such enterprises. It's a great idea ! Maybe when the project graduates with a full pmc someone can take responsibility for these external links to the wider ecosystem. In ASF what was considered the community in OOo (marketing distribution etc) seems to be considered the wider ecosystem so we might need a little time to adjust to different structures. In the end we need people outside the immediate code development effort to develop ideas for increasing take up and to do that needs to minimise barriers while at the same time keeping things like the branding secure. It is not beyond the capability of the PPMC to navigate the issue. We do need to help people like John who come from the ecosystem integrate. I look forward to his reply and a reasonable and careful discussion. Regards, Dave -- gw -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications (The Schools ITQ) www.theINGOTs.org +44 (0)1827 305940 The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales.
Re: [DL][Website] First draft of the new DL scripting
On 09/02/2012 03:18 PM, Kay Schenk wrote: On 09/02/2012 08:02 AM, Marcus (OOo) wrote: Hi all, I was busy at the weekend to clean-up the DL scripting. The new webpages are accessible here (as long as they are not published): http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/download/test/new/index.html http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/download/test/new/other.html Some notes before you start with checking out: 1. The current focus is on reducing complexity, better simplification and more automatism. Not the design and layout. This is nearly the same. 2. It's normal that not all links will work as it's only a part of the download area. It depends on the link itself if it's not yet working or really broken. ;-) 3. When you find errors and want to report them please make sure to browse to the following webpage to help me with some debug data: http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/download/test/new/analyze.html Next big step is to implement the new directory structure on the mirrors. Thanks in advance for your comments. Marcus VERY good! I am looking at changes in svn and I can see MUCH improvement. I will try to help with suggestions in the coming week. ...more You are making very good progress and I hesitate to just make changes without discussion. What do you suggest for this?? Additional sections on the wiki page?? https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Improvements+for+the+download+webpages attachment of pertinent files to the wiki page with comments? -- MzK We never sit anything out. We are cups, constantly and quietly being filled. The trick is, knowing how to tip ourselves over and let the beautiful stuff out. -- Ray Bradbury, Zen in the Art of Writing
Re: [BUILD] fixing the Win build
Hi Andrew, On Wed, Sep 05, 2012 at 04:27:30PM -0700, Andrew Rist wrote: requesting help debugging the win build. there are now 4 modules not building: * extensions -http://ci.apache.org/projects/openoffice/buildlogs/win/main/extensions/wntmsci12.pro/misc/logs/source.activex.main.txt I was taking a look at this today. It seems the build bot uses the Pro VS edition, and it does not come with atlthunk.lib, thus the error LINK : fatal error LNK1181: cannot open input file 'C:/Progra~1/MICROS~1.0/VC/atlmfc/lib/atlthunk.lib' http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?view=revisionrevision=1343720 added the library, needed when building with the Express edition, but this fails with the Pro edition (or at least with the version we have at the University, and the one in the build bot: atlthunk.lib does not exist). I don't have a solution for this, I don't know if there is a way to detect if someone is using the Express or the Pro VS edition; on the other hand, the way how ATL is handed in configure.in and set_soenv.in looks rather error prone: if you don't disable ATL explicitly in configure, you get ATL_LIB and ATL_INCLUDE from set_soenv without any further check. Someone developing on windows may find a solution. Regards -- Ariel Constenla-Haile La Plata, Argentina pgpWFjVks26yP.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: What is a good Project Management Committee member?
This is a great discussion. Info for the newly arrived: currently, the AOO podling is governed by the Podling Project Management Committee (PPMC) members - voting on releases, new committers, etc. For the podling to graduate and become a top level project (TLP), the podling needs to submit a graduation proposal, including a future list of Project Management Committee (PMC) members, including a Chair of the PMC, to the Incubator PMC. Once the Incubator PMC votes on it, the proposal goes to the Board of Directors of the ASF for a final vote to formally create AOO as a project of the ASF. https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#process On 9/5/2012 3:19 PM, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: On 9/5/12 11:32 AM, Ian Lynch wrote: On 5 September 2012 09:40, Regina Henschel rb.hensc...@t-online.de wrote: Hi all, some time ago we expressed, that we think the project is ready to graduate. In the process of graduating, a proposal for a Project Management Committee (PMC) will be brought to the Apache Board. Although discussion about individual persons will not be done public, it is important to get a shared conviction about the criteria for our PMC members. You find information about project management and the role of the PMC in http://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html From the Apache governance point of view, I'd recommend these two pages which also define and describe (in the larger context of a PMC) the basic duties of PMC members and PMC chairs: http://www.apache.org/dev/pmc.html#chair http://www.apache.org/foundation/governance/pmcs.html Being a PMC member is about having the ability to directly help govern the project direction, primarily by voting on releases, and proposing and voting on new committers or PMC members. Each TLP's PMC (but not not podlings/PPMCs) also has a Chair of the committee - a single individual who is also appointed as the Vice President of the project by a board resolution. Conceptually, there are two kinds of duties the chair needs to perform: - The first is paperwork: the chair is the person tasked with ensuring that various ASF organizational paperwork is completed accurately and in a timely manner: PMC roster changes, new committer activations, and board reports. In some cases, the chair or a specific designee must actually do the duties (requesting ACKs, etc.). In other cases - like writing a board report - the PMC as a whole often helps or does the work, although it should be the chair that should actually check the report into the board agenda. - The second is to serve as the representative of the project to the board, and vice-versa. This is why PMC chairs are officers of the corporation: they are directly responsible to the board both to make accurate reports on what the project is doing to the board (via quarterly reports), as well as taking feedback from the board back to the project to consider and act on. Thus, PMC chairs are required to subscribe to the board@ mailing list (which is only open to Members and officers). Note that operationally, PMC chairs typically act the same as any other PMC member: they don't have other special privileges, they only get one vote, and in general project governance decisions are expected to be made by the PMC as a whole. From the Apache point of view, the current employment of a chair is not an issue; however the podling should be aware that the external *perception* of the selection of the chair for a project like AOO is something to keep in the back of your mind. ...snip excellent lists of traits of a good PMC member... I'd urge everyone to read through Jurgen's excellent ideas in the previous email on this thread.While no-one should assume that being a PMC member is a full-time job, he does have some really good questions for people to think about. ... snip Jurgen's excellent ideas... And the end of this email I want to say that from my point of view roles are not so important. We are all equal here in the project and I think we all have the same goal. We want make AOO even more successful and we want a community where it is fun to be part of it and where anybody can drive things forward by simply doing it aligned with the overall project rules and guidelines. Indeed - roles should not be important in how actual project work gets done the majority of the time. Apache projects rely on many different people volunteering their time and skills freely to donate code, ideas, documentation, tests, and all sorts of other things to our projects. Anyone should feel welcome to propose ideas and send patches to our code, websites, and policies. So whether someone is on the final PMC after graduation or not doesn't affect the great majority of things any volunteer here can do. - Shane P.S. Thanks Regina et al for taking this to ooo-dev@!
[Call For Feature Test] The TOC fidelity enhancement in MSO Word 2003 binary format importing/exporting
Hi, Community: I have finished the TOC enhancement in MSO Word 2003 binary format importing/exporting, which design proposal was discussed in WIKI page: http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Writer/TOC And the all modification for the feature was delivered into the SVN revision 1380613 of branches/writer001 already, which is ready for test. Here is the issue link in BugZilla: https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=119963 So, is there any volunteer for the QA work on this feature? Thanks so much! Yours, Easyfan
Re: [Call For Feature Test] The TOC fidelity enhancement in MSO Word 2003 binary format importing/exporting
I'd like to test the feature. On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 10:16 AM, Fan Zheng zheng.easy...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Community: I have finished the TOC enhancement in MSO Word 2003 binary format importing/exporting, which design proposal was discussed in WIKI page: http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Writer/TOC And the all modification for the feature was delivered into the SVN revision 1380613 of branches/writer001 already, which is ready for test. Here is the issue link in BugZilla: https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=119963 So, is there any volunteer for the QA work on this feature? Thanks so much! Yours, Easyfan
Re: [Call For Feature Test] The TOC fidelity enhancement in MSO Word 2003 binary format importing/exporting
Hi, XiaoTing: Thanks so much for your kindly support. 2012/9/6 Xiao Ting Xiao tingxi...@gmail.com I'd like to test the feature. On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 10:16 AM, Fan Zheng zheng.easy...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Community: I have finished the TOC enhancement in MSO Word 2003 binary format importing/exporting, which design proposal was discussed in WIKI page: http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Writer/TOC And the all modification for the feature was delivered into the SVN revision 1380613 of branches/writer001 already, which is ready for test. Here is the issue link in BugZilla: https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=119963 So, is there any volunteer for the QA work on this feature? Thanks so much! Yours, Easyfan
Re: What is a good Project Management Committee member?
On Sep 5, 2012, at 9:20 AM, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.com wrote: On 9/5/12 11:32 AM, Ian Lynch wrote: On 5 September 2012 09:40, Regina Henschel rb.hensc...@t-online.de wrote: Hi all, some time ago we expressed, that we think the project is ready to graduate. In the process of graduating, a proposal for a Project Management Committee (PMC) will be brought to the Apache Board. Although discussion about individual persons will not be done public, it is important to get a shared conviction about the criteria for our PMC members. You find information about project management and the role of the PMC in http://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html With permission of Jürgen Schmidt I will show his items: For me a good PMC member is somebody - who is active and visible in the project. It's important that others can see or better are able to recognize valuable contributions. - who driving the project forward by helping others to join the project, or helping other in general to find their way in the project - who help to grow the eco-system and the popularity of the project, eg. increasing the user base by promoting the project actively on conferences, via new medias, etc. - who take responsibility for tasks that have to be done and that help to drive the project forward or that help to simply run it. - who is able to transport and communicate the vision of the project - who is able to prevent misbehaviour and misconduct on our main communication tool the mailing lists but also on our extended communication tools like social media - who is able to bring in new ideas in the project that opens even more opportunities to grow and to evolve - ... And here my thoughts: A PMC member... ...is a person all can trust in. ...preserves overview about several areas. ...knows, who is expert in a special area, and encourage people from different areas to work together on a topic. ...is willing to guide a newcomer. ...can identify opposite directions in the community before things escalate. ...knows about formal requirements and about the Apache structure. ...has a vision about the direction of the project, but on the other hand accepts reasoned different development without being offended (? German eingeschnappt) ...sets a good example in treating others and working for the project. ...is reliable. ...is willing to assume responsibility. ...puts his heart and passion into the project. Do you miss aspects? Do you think a special item is irrelevant? What is essential? Is aware of the limitations of mailing lists in communication and actively strives to communicate to engender positive feelings in the audience. Has thought carefully about the role of a PMC member and actively communicated an intention to be active in that role rather than just a name on a list or solely involved in committing code. we had already some longer discussions on this topic on our private list which was the result or part of an ongoing process to define a final PMC that we want to suggest to the IPMC and board as it is required for graduation. Regina has provided a link that give you further information about this topic and what it means to be a PMC. I would like to ask everybody (and especially the PPMC members) here to think about this as individual and what it means for themselves or if they would be interested in being a PMC. I know someone who had the image of an ideal husband, a long list of essential qualities, but unfortunately these qualities never came together in one person outside of cheap romance novels. Unwed, bitter and old was the end results. So I tend to think of this from a team perspective: what capabilities do we need in a PMC? We're not limited by monogyny laws. We don't need to find the ultimate uebermensch PMC member. We need a strong team. And since most team members will be part time volunteers this suggests they might do one nor two things well but gave little interest in other areas. We should accept that. For example we recently had a PPMC member who was derided by a Mentor for not being interested in the CMS. It was suggested that this was a failure as a PMC member. I disagree. It is fine to focus contributions in one area do long as one takes care to consider the community wide implications of those contributions and is helping to grow and support the community in that area. Think of an orchestra. We don't expect every player to play every instrument. But we do expect a musicianship, the ability to play your part well and in a way that fits with the others, knowing that you might have a solo sometimes, but at other times you might be playing harmony or even have a rest. Maybe some questions that you can answer yourself can help to find an answer: - What is my intention with this project? - Why I am here and what do I want to achieve? - What is my main interest and how do I want to contribute? - Is being a PMC member a
Re: Duplicate code in module binfilter [was: Re: svn commit: r1379349 - in /incubator/ooo/trunk/main: offapi/com/sun/star/sheet/ offapi/type_reference/ oox/inc/oox/xls/ oox/source/xls/ sc/inc/ sc/sour
On 09/04/2012 03:49 AM, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: On 9/4/12 3:42 AM, Lei Wang wrote: Hi, So we have plan to remove import/export code from application modules(sw,sc,sd...) and implement import/export function in binfilter. Is there any document about this feature? What's the current status ? no, the plan is more to drop the older binary formats and to drop the ugly binfilter module. I think a good candidate for this drop is the next major version. This is of course a change where people will have different opinions on it. But I personally see no real problem, the code becomes smaller, the officer becomes smaller and the old formats can be migrated by an existing version, for example AOO 3.4. The default is ODF and most users don't use the older binary formats. But again these formats can be migrated with existing and still available older version of the office. We should start a new thread to discuss this drop of binfilter for the next major version. I have some old files that I had no reason to touch for many years, and now, I no longer have a program that can touch them. So the files are pretty much orphaned. So that is what we will do with the older OOo file formats? I just want to be clear that I need to find these files and then manually convert all of them before support is dropped. I don't like writing my own extractors from scratch, but I have done it before. Usually to help some family member that I can't say no to that has old files in some format that they just procrastinated on and the old program just stops working on their new platforms (or something equally as strange). -- Andrew Pitonyak My Macro Document: http://www.pitonyak.org/AndrewMacro.odt Info: http://www.pitonyak.org/oo.php
Re: Duplicate code in module binfilter [was: Re: svn commit: r1379349 - in /incubator/ooo/trunk/main: offapi/com/sun/star/sheet/ offapi/type_reference/ oox/inc/oox/xls/ oox/source/xls/ sc/inc/ sc/sour
Am Donnerstag, 6. September 2012 um 06:14 schrieb Andrew Douglas Pitonyak: On 09/04/2012 03:49 AM, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: On 9/4/12 3:42 AM, Lei Wang wrote: Hi, So we have plan to remove import/export code from application modules(sw,sc,sd...) and implement import/export function in binfilter. Is there any document about this feature? What's the current status ? no, the plan is more to drop the older binary formats and to drop the ugly binfilter module. I think a good candidate for this drop is the next major version. This is of course a change where people will have different opinions on it. But I personally see no real problem, the code becomes smaller, the officer becomes smaller and the old formats can be migrated by an existing version, for example AOO 3.4. The default is ODF and most users don't use the older binary formats. But again these formats can be migrated with existing and still available older version of the office. We should start a new thread to discuss this drop of binfilter for the next major version. I have some old files that I had no reason to touch for many years, and now, I no longer have a program that can touch them. So the files are pretty much orphaned. It is not yet removed and when we remove it, it will be explained what it means. Older versions can be still used to convert the files. Yes it will be a one time conversion but I think that is ok. We have to look forward and have to reduce complexity. The code have to be maintained. Juergen So that is what we will do with the older OOo file formats? I just want to be clear that I need to find these files ands then manually convert all of them before support is dropped. I don't like writing my own extractors from scratch, but I have done it before. Usually to help some family member that I can't say no to that has old files in some format that they just procrastinated on and the old program just stops working on their new platforms (or something equally as strange). You can help to explain if necessary because you understand the reasons that are discussed here on the list. End user support for this kind of changes are important via the forum, user mailing lists or other channels. Nevertheless do we have to look forward and should drop really old stuff that makes more problems and blocks innovation than it helps. Juergen -- Andrew Pitonyak My Macro Document: http://www.pitonyak.org/AndrewMacro.odt Info: http://www.pitonyak.org/oo.php
Re: What is a good Project Management Committee member?
Am Donnerstag, 6. September 2012 um 05:30 schrieb Rob Weir: On Sep 5, 2012, at 9:20 AM, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.com wrote: On 9/5/12 11:32 AM, Ian Lynch wrote: On 5 September 2012 09:40, Regina Henschel rb.hensc...@t-online.de wrote: Hi all, some time ago we expressed, that we think the project is ready to graduate. In the process of graduating, a proposal for a Project Management Committee (PMC) will be brought to the Apache Board. Although discussion about individual persons will not be done public, it is important to get a shared conviction about the criteria for our PMC members. You find information about project management and the role of the PMC in http://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html With permission of Jürgen Schmidt I will show his items: For me a good PMC member is somebody - who is active and visible in the project. It's important that others can see or better are able to recognize valuable contributions. - who driving the project forward by helping others to join the project, or helping other in general to find their way in the project - who help to grow the eco-system and the popularity of the project, eg. increasing the user base by promoting the project actively on conferences, via new medias, etc. - who take responsibility for tasks that have to be done and that help to drive the project forward or that help to simply run it. - who is able to transport and communicate the vision of the project - who is able to prevent misbehaviour and misconduct on our main communication tool the mailing lists but also on our extended communication tools like social media - who is able to bring in new ideas in the project that opens even more opportunities to grow and to evolve - ... And here my thoughts: A PMC member... ...is a person all can trust in. ...preserves overview about several areas. ...knows, who is expert in a special area, and encourage people from different areas to work together on a topic. ...is willing to guide a newcomer. ...can identify opposite directions in the community before things escalate. ...knows about formal requirements and about the Apache structure. ...has a vision about the direction of the project, but on the other hand accepts reasoned different development without being offended (? German eingeschnappt) ...sets a good example in treating others and working for the project. ...is reliable. ...is willing to assume responsibility. ...puts his heart and passion into the project. Do you miss aspects? Do you think a special item is irrelevant? What is essential? Is aware of the limitations of mailing lists in communication and actively strives to communicate to engender positive feelings in the audience. Has thought carefully about the role of a PMC member and actively communicated an intention to be active in that role rather than just a name on a list or solely involved in committing code. we had already some longer discussions on this topic on our private list which was the result or part of an ongoing process to define a final PMC that we want to suggest to the IPMC and board as it is required for graduation. Regina has provided a link that give you further information about this topic and what it means to be a PMC. I would like to ask everybody (and especially the PPMC members) here to think about this as individual and what it means for themselves or if they would be interested in being a PMC. I know someone who had the image of an ideal husband, a long list of essential qualities, but unfortunately these qualities never came together in one person outside of cheap romance novels. Unwed, bitter and old was the end results. So I tend to think of this from a team perspective: what capabilities do we need in a PMC? We're not limited by monogyny laws. We don't need to find the ultimate uebermensch PMC member. We need a strong team. And since most team members will be part time volunteers this suggests they might do one nor two things well but gave little interest in other areas. We should accept that. I totally agree and that is fine from my pov. The idea is more that people start thinking about the PMC and what it does mean to be a member of it. For example if a PPMC thinks that it is happy with the thinks it is doing and don't want to be in the final PMC for some reason this member can give us as signal. For example we recently had a PPMC member who was derided by a Mentor for not being interested in the CMS. It was suggested that this was a failure as a PMC member. I disagree. It is fine to focus contributions in one area do long as one takes care to consider the community wide implications
