Re: AOO.Next IBM Priorities
On 2 November 2012 20:34, Alexandro Colorado j...@oooes.org wrote: On 11/2/12, Ian Lynch ianrly...@gmail.com wrote: On 2 November 2012 08:40, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote: On 01/11/2012 robert_weir wrote: We (IBM) have consulted with customers, internal users, other IBM product teams, on what our (IBM's) development priorities should be for the next AOO release. Obviously, we're not the only ones with priorities or interests or opinions. We don't make AOO decisions by ourselves. But we want to be transparent about what our own priorities are Thank you for sharing. They are all good and needed contributions and they cover many of the main results from the Google Moderator user survey. There are still missing things that I've seen requested and that I would personally like to see in the product (a non-exhaustive list would include: better OOXML support, full or enhanced ODF 1.2 support, I think the best filters possible are the highest priority. It is difficult to use AOO with government documents because mostly they have complex table structures for gathering data in docx format. This more than anything will prevent take up. This problem is more on the design and paper paradigm. Having a digitalization of a paper-form forms, we use tables to design as opposed as to hold tabular data. A document design should be done with a DTP program something that Writer is not the optimal software for it. Frame-based software is the ideal for design documents. Government should not be collecting data in word processing documents but they do. It's no good telling customers what they must do, we have to deal with the situation as it is and unreliable import of documents is a key problem in getting take up. -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications (The Schools ITQ) www.theINGOTs.org +44 (0)1827 305940 The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales.
Re: AOO.Next IBM Priorities
On Nov 2, 2012, at 1:40 AM, Andrea Pescetti wrote: On 01/11/2012 robert_weir wrote: We (IBM) have consulted with customers, internal users, other IBM product teams, on what our (IBM's) development priorities should be for the next AOO release. Obviously, we're not the only ones with priorities or interests or opinions. We don't make AOO decisions by ourselves. But we want to be transparent about what our own priorities are Thank you for sharing. They are all good and needed contributions and they cover many of the main results from the Google Moderator user survey. There are still missing things that I've seen requested and that I would personally like to see in the product (a non-exhaustive list would include: better OOXML support, If a Java library is not a barrier then Apache POI might be helpful. Talk to Nick Burch or Yegor Kozlov at Apachecon EU. full or enhanced ODF 1.2 support, Again if Java is not a barrier the Apache ODFToolkit (incubating) might be a reasonable tool - What do you think Rob? Regards, Dave better defaults, better integration with the Extensions and Templates sites or in general better visibility for the additional resources, a refreshed visual identity not only in the interface...), and indeed it will be good to start collecting priorities on the wiki and assess feasibility of the underlying development. And then of course there's the community side: we are now able to engage localization volunteers but there is still work to do to be able to engage unaffiliated developers, so we might take that into consideration when discussing the new features. releasing is PMC decision, not an IBM one. But we think that this work could be completed and tested for a release in the March/April 2013 time-frame. And the scope of the release might be significant enough to warrant a 4.0 designation. Seems like this would be a good plan. Let's make it real! Regards, Andrea.
Re: AOO.Next IBM Priorities
On Sat, Nov 3, 2012 at 2:55 PM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote: On Nov 2, 2012, at 1:40 AM, Andrea Pescetti wrote: On 01/11/2012 robert_weir wrote: We (IBM) have consulted with customers, internal users, other IBM product teams, on what our (IBM's) development priorities should be for the next AOO release. Obviously, we're not the only ones with priorities or interests or opinions. We don't make AOO decisions by ourselves. But we want to be transparent about what our own priorities are Thank you for sharing. They are all good and needed contributions and they cover many of the main results from the Google Moderator user survey. There are still missing things that I've seen requested and that I would personally like to see in the product (a non-exhaustive list would include: better OOXML support, If a Java library is not a barrier then Apache POI might be helpful. Talk to Nick Burch or Yegor Kozlov at Apachecon EU. full or enhanced ODF 1.2 support, Again if Java is not a barrier the Apache ODFToolkit (incubating) might be a reasonable tool - What do you think Rob? From what I've seen the issue is not in parsing the file format, or operations at that level. The issues are in the fine points of layout and rendering, and even then it is often a disconnect between the document model implied by Microsoft Word's formats and those used internally by OpenOffice. For example, different models for dealing with nested lists. ISO did a report on how ODF and OOXML correspond, and what was possible via direct translation. Unfortunately it is behind a paywall: http://www.iso.org/iso/iso_catalogue/catalogue_tc/catalogue_detail.htm?csnumber=45245 There is also a related whitepaper by Fraunhofer FOCUS: http://www.fokus.fraunhofer.de/en/elan/publikationen/infomaterial/white_paper/documentinteroperability/index.html (Microsoft sponsored, but still some good background info on the issues). In any case, to the question of priorities: If you check the trunk, you'll see that we have actually checked in quite a few MS interop related fixes. Our team in Beijing was focused on that while the rest of us were focused on the 3.4.1 branch. So AOO 4.0 will have some noticeable improvements in this area, even if we work on other items now. Regards, -Rob Regards, Dave better defaults, better integration with the Extensions and Templates sites or in general better visibility for the additional resources, a refreshed visual identity not only in the interface...), and indeed it will be good to start collecting priorities on the wiki and assess feasibility of the underlying development. And then of course there's the community side: we are now able to engage localization volunteers but there is still work to do to be able to engage unaffiliated developers, so we might take that into consideration when discussing the new features. releasing is PMC decision, not an IBM one. But we think that this work could be completed and tested for a release in the March/April 2013 time-frame. And the scope of the release might be significant enough to warrant a 4.0 designation. Seems like this would be a good plan. Let's make it real! Regards, Andrea.
Re: AOO.Next IBM Priorities
On 01.11.2012 17:45, robert_w...@us.ibm.com wrote: A quick note, wearing my IBM hat. We (IBM) have consulted with customers, internal users, other IBM product teams, on what our (IBM's) development priorities should be for the next AOO release. Obviously, we're not the only ones with priorities or interests or opinions. We don't make AOO decisions by ourselves. But we want to be transparent about what our own priorities are, for our employees participating in the AOO community, and what they will be focusing on. As we did with AOO 3.4.0 and 3.4.1, we'll be putting the details onto the wiki over the next couple of weeks. You'll hear more at ApacheCon, but I wanted you to hear it hear first. Our top priorities: -- Improve the install and deployment experience, especially by supporting digital signatures on installs, and introducing a new incremental update feature, so users are not required to download and install a full image for just a minor update. -- A major UI enhancement, a sidebar framework for the editors, ported over from Symphony, and including an API. If you recall, Symphony won quite a lot of praise for its UI, and much of this was due to the sidebar panel. I think we can make a good argument that this approach, say compared to the MS Office ribbon is a better use of screen real-estate, especially as we see more frequent use of wide screen displays. -- Improved Table of Contents in Writer -- Improved system integration on Windows and MacOS, including possible adoption of gestures. -- IAccessible2 bridge, ported over from Symphony, to improve accessibility. This is a major effort, but very important. I will be talking about IAccessible2 as stand in for Steve Yin at the ApacheCon. Please meet me there at 11:45am on Nov 6 (Level 1 Left). -Andre -- Closer integration of clipart and template libraries with user experience. -- Update branding and visual styling, contemporary and compelling, fresh and relevant. -- Social integration, allow our users to quickly and easily share their thoughts in a way that compliment their commercial social behavior. Explore the integration of consumer service-specific capabilities as well as generic Share... actions. -- And many other smaller items Obviously the release date for this cannot be pinned down so early, and releasing is PMC decision, not an IBM one. But we think that this work could be completed and tested for a release in the March/April 2013 time-frame. And the scope of the release might be significant enough to warrant a 4.0 designation. In any case, we'll soon set up a page on the wiki to collect these items. As always, I invite you to add your own priorities to the wiki, things that you would like to work on. This could be a new feature. Or, if one of the above items sound interesting to you, we always welcome help designing and implementing these features. Regards, -Rob
Re: AOO.Next IBM Priorities
On 01/11/2012 robert_weir wrote: We (IBM) have consulted with customers, internal users, other IBM product teams, on what our (IBM's) development priorities should be for the next AOO release. Obviously, we're not the only ones with priorities or interests or opinions. We don't make AOO decisions by ourselves. But we want to be transparent about what our own priorities are Thank you for sharing. They are all good and needed contributions and they cover many of the main results from the Google Moderator user survey. There are still missing things that I've seen requested and that I would personally like to see in the product (a non-exhaustive list would include: better OOXML support, full or enhanced ODF 1.2 support, better defaults, better integration with the Extensions and Templates sites or in general better visibility for the additional resources, a refreshed visual identity not only in the interface...), and indeed it will be good to start collecting priorities on the wiki and assess feasibility of the underlying development. And then of course there's the community side: we are now able to engage localization volunteers but there is still work to do to be able to engage unaffiliated developers, so we might take that into consideration when discussing the new features. releasing is PMC decision, not an IBM one. But we think that this work could be completed and tested for a release in the March/April 2013 time-frame. And the scope of the release might be significant enough to warrant a 4.0 designation. Seems like this would be a good plan. Let's make it real! Regards, Andrea.
Re: AOO.Next IBM Priorities
On 2 November 2012 08:40, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote: On 01/11/2012 robert_weir wrote: We (IBM) have consulted with customers, internal users, other IBM product teams, on what our (IBM's) development priorities should be for the next AOO release. Obviously, we're not the only ones with priorities or interests or opinions. We don't make AOO decisions by ourselves. But we want to be transparent about what our own priorities are Thank you for sharing. They are all good and needed contributions and they cover many of the main results from the Google Moderator user survey. There are still missing things that I've seen requested and that I would personally like to see in the product (a non-exhaustive list would include: better OOXML support, full or enhanced ODF 1.2 support, I think the best filters possible are the highest priority. It is difficult to use AOO with government documents because mostly they have complex table structures for gathering data in docx format. This more than anything will prevent take up. better defaults, better integration with the Extensions and Templates sites or in general better visibility for the additional resources, a refreshed visual identity not only in the interface...), and indeed it will be good to start collecting priorities on the wiki and assess feasibility of the underlying development. And then of course there's the community side: we are now able to engage localization volunteers but there is still work to do to be able to engage unaffiliated developers, so we might take that into consideration when discussing the new features. releasing is PMC decision, not an IBM one. But we think that this work could be completed and tested for a release in the March/April 2013 time-frame. And the scope of the release might be significant enough to warrant a 4.0 designation. Seems like this would be a good plan. Let's make it real! On that timescale we really need to get going if we are to have a competition for branding for 4.0. Regards, Andrea. -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications (The Schools ITQ) www.theINGOTs.org +44 (0)1827 305940 The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales.
Re: AOO.Next IBM Priorities
Hello, From: Lei Wang [mailto:lei.wang.l...@gmail.com] No, this is property panel in the sidebar, not the sidebar framework. The sidebar framework looks like: http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/AOO_UX_Design_Exploration_-_Do cked_Task_Pane_Container_-_Tab_User_Interface_Design Unfortunately I am not a developer and do not understand exactly the difference. Let me ask because Rob wrote something of API: Is it possible to program via StarBasic later controls on the empty tab area? Greetings, Jörg
Re: AOO.Next IBM Priorities
On 11/2/12, Ian Lynch ianrly...@gmail.com wrote: On 2 November 2012 08:40, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote: On 01/11/2012 robert_weir wrote: We (IBM) have consulted with customers, internal users, other IBM product teams, on what our (IBM's) development priorities should be for the next AOO release. Obviously, we're not the only ones with priorities or interests or opinions. We don't make AOO decisions by ourselves. But we want to be transparent about what our own priorities are Thank you for sharing. They are all good and needed contributions and they cover many of the main results from the Google Moderator user survey. There are still missing things that I've seen requested and that I would personally like to see in the product (a non-exhaustive list would include: better OOXML support, full or enhanced ODF 1.2 support, I think the best filters possible are the highest priority. It is difficult to use AOO with government documents because mostly they have complex table structures for gathering data in docx format. This more than anything will prevent take up. This problem is more on the design and paper paradigm. Having a digitalization of a paper-form forms, we use tables to design as opposed as to hold tabular data. A document design should be done with a DTP program something that Writer is not the optimal software for it. Frame-based software is the ideal for design documents. One simple example is the lack of 'rotate' an image in Writer, while Draw has it. Here we have two scenarios: 1) Import such features into writer. 2) Improve the integration of draw and writer. Draw layers could easily be taken as a template for writer to fill in around Draw designs. better defaults, better integration with the Extensions and Templates sites or in general better visibility for the additional resources, a refreshed visual identity not only in the interface...), and indeed it will be good to start collecting priorities on the wiki and assess feasibility of the underlying development. And then of course there's the community side: we are now able to engage localization volunteers but there is still work to do to be able to engage unaffiliated developers, so we might take that into consideration when discussing the new features. releasing is PMC decision, not an IBM one. But we think that this work could be completed and tested for a release in the March/April 2013 time-frame. And the scope of the release might be significant enough to warrant a 4.0 designation. Seems like this would be a good plan. Let's make it real! On that timescale we really need to get going if we are to have a competition for branding for 4.0. Regards, Andrea. -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications (The Schools ITQ) www.theINGOTs.org +44 (0)1827 305940 The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales. -- Alexandro Colorado PPMC Apache OpenOffice http://es.openoffice.org
Re: AOO.Next IBM Priorities
On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 1:45 PM, robert_w...@us.ibm.com wrote: If you recall, Symphony won quite a lot of praise for its UI, and much of this was due to the sidebar panel. I think we can make a good argument that this approach, say compared to the MS Office ribbon is a better use of screen real-estate, especially as we see more frequent use of wide screen displays. +1 anything but ribbon, please!. CUA exists for a reason... http://news.techeye.net/software/software-gui-design-going-to-hell-in-a-basket FC -- During times of Universal Deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act Durante épocas de Engaño Universal, decir la verdad se convierte en un Acto Revolucionario - George Orwell
Re: AOO.Next IBM Priorities
Thanks for the note, however knowing IBM I had hoped that one of the official goals was to help the development part of the community to get stabilized. I acknowledge that it is important for IBM to get an output of invested energy/time/money, but I think IBM would benefit not only from features but also from the soft points of helping the community. that being said in response to your IBM HAT, but I do feel that you and other IBM Fellows still do a great job in getting the community to prosper. Jan. On 1 November 2012 17:45, robert_w...@us.ibm.com wrote: A quick note, wearing my IBM hat. We (IBM) have consulted with customers, internal users, other IBM product teams, on what our (IBM's) development priorities should be for the next AOO release. Obviously, we're not the only ones with priorities or interests or opinions. We don't make AOO decisions by ourselves. But we want to be transparent about what our own priorities are, for our employees participating in the AOO community, and what they will be focusing on. As we did with AOO 3.4.0 and 3.4.1, we'll be putting the details onto the wiki over the next couple of weeks. You'll hear more at ApacheCon, but I wanted you to hear it hear first. Our top priorities: -- Improve the install and deployment experience, especially by supporting digital signatures on installs, and introducing a new incremental update feature, so users are not required to download and install a full image for just a minor update. -- A major UI enhancement, a sidebar framework for the editors, ported over from Symphony, and including an API. If you recall, Symphony won quite a lot of praise for its UI, and much of this was due to the sidebar panel. I think we can make a good argument that this approach, say compared to the MS Office ribbon is a better use of screen real-estate, especially as we see more frequent use of wide screen displays. -- Improved Table of Contents in Writer -- Improved system integration on Windows and MacOS, including possible adoption of gestures. -- IAccessible2 bridge, ported over from Symphony, to improve accessibility. This is a major effort, but very important. -- Closer integration of clipart and template libraries with user experience. -- Update branding and visual styling, contemporary and compelling, fresh and relevant. -- Social integration, allow our users to quickly and easily share their thoughts in a way that compliment their commercial social behavior. Explore the integration of consumer service-specific capabilities as well as generic Share... actions. -- And many other smaller items Obviously the release date for this cannot be pinned down so early, and releasing is PMC decision, not an IBM one. But we think that this work could be completed and tested for a release in the March/April 2013 time-frame. And the scope of the release might be significant enough to warrant a 4.0 designation. In any case, we'll soon set up a page on the wiki to collect these items. As always, I invite you to add your own priorities to the wiki, things that you would like to work on. This could be a new feature. Or, if one of the above items sound interesting to you, we always welcome help designing and implementing these features. Regards, -Rob
Re: AOO.Next IBM Priorities
On 11/1/12 9:53 PM, jan iversen wrote: Thanks for the note, however knowing IBM I had hoped that one of the official goals was to help the development part of the community to get stabilized. I acknowledge that it is important for IBM to get an output of invested energy/time/money, but I think IBM would benefit not only from features but also from the soft points of helping the community. that being said in response to your IBM HAT, but I do feel that you and other IBM Fellows still do a great job in getting the community to prosper. I hope so and the priorities were focused on the product only and not on the community aspects that are of course very important for us as well. Juergen Jan. On 1 November 2012 17:45, robert_w...@us.ibm.com wrote: A quick note, wearing my IBM hat. We (IBM) have consulted with customers, internal users, other IBM product teams, on what our (IBM's) development priorities should be for the next AOO release. Obviously, we're not the only ones with priorities or interests or opinions. We don't make AOO decisions by ourselves. But we want to be transparent about what our own priorities are, for our employees participating in the AOO community, and what they will be focusing on. As we did with AOO 3.4.0 and 3.4.1, we'll be putting the details onto the wiki over the next couple of weeks. You'll hear more at ApacheCon, but I wanted you to hear it hear first. Our top priorities: -- Improve the install and deployment experience, especially by supporting digital signatures on installs, and introducing a new incremental update feature, so users are not required to download and install a full image for just a minor update. -- A major UI enhancement, a sidebar framework for the editors, ported over from Symphony, and including an API. If you recall, Symphony won quite a lot of praise for its UI, and much of this was due to the sidebar panel. I think we can make a good argument that this approach, say compared to the MS Office ribbon is a better use of screen real-estate, especially as we see more frequent use of wide screen displays. -- Improved Table of Contents in Writer -- Improved system integration on Windows and MacOS, including possible adoption of gestures. -- IAccessible2 bridge, ported over from Symphony, to improve accessibility. This is a major effort, but very important. -- Closer integration of clipart and template libraries with user experience. -- Update branding and visual styling, contemporary and compelling, fresh and relevant. -- Social integration, allow our users to quickly and easily share their thoughts in a way that compliment their commercial social behavior. Explore the integration of consumer service-specific capabilities as well as generic Share... actions. -- And many other smaller items Obviously the release date for this cannot be pinned down so early, and releasing is PMC decision, not an IBM one. But we think that this work could be completed and tested for a release in the March/April 2013 time-frame. And the scope of the release might be significant enough to warrant a 4.0 designation. In any case, we'll soon set up a page on the wiki to collect these items. As always, I invite you to add your own priorities to the wiki, things that you would like to work on. This could be a new feature. Or, if one of the above items sound interesting to you, we always welcome help designing and implementing these features. Regards, -Rob
Re: AOO.Next IBM Priorities
On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 2:53 PM, jan iversen jancasacon...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for the note, however knowing IBM I had hoped that one of the official goals was to help the development part of the community to get stabilized. This is what their costumers asked for, not IBM itself. Costumers dont care about development, most of the time. They think everyting is created with Pixeldust. I acknowledge that it is important for IBM to get an output of invested energy/time/money, but I think IBM would benefit not only from features but also from the soft points of helping the community. I was a bit disapointed they didnt asked for some more 'enterprise-ready' features like integration with ERP systems, tivoli, and credential management of profiles, improve Base and add bridge to DB2 or something in those veins. that being said in response to your IBM HAT, but I do feel that you and other IBM Fellows still do a great job in getting the community to prosper. Jan. On 1 November 2012 17:45, robert_w...@us.ibm.com wrote: A quick note, wearing my IBM hat. We (IBM) have consulted with customers, internal users, other IBM product teams, on what our (IBM's) development priorities should be for the next AOO release. Obviously, we're not the only ones with priorities or interests or opinions. We don't make AOO decisions by ourselves. But we want to be transparent about what our own priorities are, for our employees participating in the AOO community, and what they will be focusing on. As we did with AOO 3.4.0 and 3.4.1, we'll be putting the details onto the wiki over the next couple of weeks. You'll hear more at ApacheCon, but I wanted you to hear it hear first. Our top priorities: -- Improve the install and deployment experience, especially by supporting digital signatures on installs, and introducing a new incremental update feature, so users are not required to download and install a full image for just a minor update. -- A major UI enhancement, a sidebar framework for the editors, ported over from Symphony, and including an API. If you recall, Symphony won quite a lot of praise for its UI, and much of this was due to the sidebar panel. I think we can make a good argument that this approach, say compared to the MS Office ribbon is a better use of screen real-estate, especially as we see more frequent use of wide screen displays. I like what KOffice did with the management of tiles and panes, and I think is a great UI study case. There were some of these ideas embedded in the UX project. Personally I used to admire the UI from Macromedia projects which had a nice use of toolbars, floating panes, and could add a series of options in a clean icon-based intereface. -- Improved Table of Contents in Writer -- Improved system integration on Windows and MacOS, including possible adoption of gestures. Is this like for tablets? Not sure what gestures means, Opear has some gestures which are mouse keys combinations. -- IAccessible2 bridge, ported over from Symphony, to improve accessibility. This is a major effort, but very important. -- Closer integration of clipart and template libraries with user experience. I think there was always objections to bloat the office suite with too much graphic intensive templates. Not sure if that opposition will be gone now. Impress does need a major facelift with animations and transitions. GSOC had integration bridge to OpenClipArt to import the clipart from the website, this functionality is also present on Inkscape. -- Update branding and visual styling, contemporary and compelling, fresh and relevant. Funny enough, stale is the new fresh, taken from logos of Chrome and Windows, is more an art-deco style. -- Social integration, allow our users to quickly and easily share their thoughts in a way that compliment their commercial social behavior. Explore the integration of consumer service-specific capabilities as well as generic Share... actions. eww I hate this and dont really understand why companies want to share a document. -- And many other smaller items Obviously the release date for this cannot be pinned down so early, and releasing is PMC decision, not an IBM one. But we think that this work could be completed and tested for a release in the March/April 2013 time-frame. And the scope of the release might be significant enough to warrant a 4.0 designation. In any case, we'll soon set up a page on the wiki to collect these items. As always, I invite you to add your own priorities to the wiki, things that you would like to work on. This could be a new feature. Or, if one of the above items sound interesting to you, we always welcome help designing and implementing these features. Regards, -Rob -- Alexandro Colorado PPMC Apache OpenOffice http://es.openoffice.org
Re: AOO.Next IBM Priorities
On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 4:53 PM, jan iversen jancasacon...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for the note, however knowing IBM I had hoped that one of the official goals was to help the development part of the community to get stabilized. This was specifically product goals for the next release, as the subject title suggests. Community development are ongoing, not tied to any particular release. And not tied to any one company, either. It be worth if we (the AOO project) set our own community development goals and worked toward them? Priorities and goals are a good thing, I think. They keep us focused, help us avoid distractions. Well, good goals, at least... -Rob I acknowledge that it is important for IBM to get an output of invested energy/time/money, but I think IBM would benefit not only from features but also from the soft points of helping the community. that being said in response to your IBM HAT, but I do feel that you and other IBM Fellows still do a great job in getting the community to prosper. Jan. On 1 November 2012 17:45, robert_w...@us.ibm.com wrote: A quick note, wearing my IBM hat. We (IBM) have consulted with customers, internal users, other IBM product teams, on what our (IBM's) development priorities should be for the next AOO release. Obviously, we're not the only ones with priorities or interests or opinions. We don't make AOO decisions by ourselves. But we want to be transparent about what our own priorities are, for our employees participating in the AOO community, and what they will be focusing on. As we did with AOO 3.4.0 and 3.4.1, we'll be putting the details onto the wiki over the next couple of weeks. You'll hear more at ApacheCon, but I wanted you to hear it hear first. Our top priorities: -- Improve the install and deployment experience, especially by supporting digital signatures on installs, and introducing a new incremental update feature, so users are not required to download and install a full image for just a minor update. -- A major UI enhancement, a sidebar framework for the editors, ported over from Symphony, and including an API. If you recall, Symphony won quite a lot of praise for its UI, and much of this was due to the sidebar panel. I think we can make a good argument that this approach, say compared to the MS Office ribbon is a better use of screen real-estate, especially as we see more frequent use of wide screen displays. -- Improved Table of Contents in Writer -- Improved system integration on Windows and MacOS, including possible adoption of gestures. -- IAccessible2 bridge, ported over from Symphony, to improve accessibility. This is a major effort, but very important. -- Closer integration of clipart and template libraries with user experience. -- Update branding and visual styling, contemporary and compelling, fresh and relevant. -- Social integration, allow our users to quickly and easily share their thoughts in a way that compliment their commercial social behavior. Explore the integration of consumer service-specific capabilities as well as generic Share... actions. -- And many other smaller items Obviously the release date for this cannot be pinned down so early, and releasing is PMC decision, not an IBM one. But we think that this work could be completed and tested for a release in the March/April 2013 time-frame. And the scope of the release might be significant enough to warrant a 4.0 designation. In any case, we'll soon set up a page on the wiki to collect these items. As always, I invite you to add your own priorities to the wiki, things that you would like to work on. This could be a new feature. Or, if one of the above items sound interesting to you, we always welcome help designing and implementing these features. Regards, -Rob
Re: AOO.Next IBM Priorities
On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 5:10 PM, Alexandro Colorado j...@oooes.org wrote: On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 2:53 PM, jan iversen jancasacon...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for the note, however knowing IBM I had hoped that one of the official goals was to help the development part of the community to get stabilized. This is what their costumers asked for, not IBM itself. Costumers dont care about development, most of the time. They think everyting is created with Pixeldust. I acknowledge that it is important for IBM to get an output of invested energy/time/money, but I think IBM would benefit not only from features but also from the soft points of helping the community. I was a bit disapointed they didnt asked for some more 'enterprise-ready' features like integration with ERP systems, tivoli, and credential management of profiles, improve Base and add bridge to DB2 or something in those veins. Some of these are being done, but as extensions. And in some cases they depend on proprietary code, so they lead to proprietary extensions. Personally, I'd recommend bring features like this into the core only if they can be done in some open fashion, e.g., standards based or at least an open driver-based or other extensible model which is open to all vendors. that being said in response to your IBM HAT, but I do feel that you and other IBM Fellows still do a great job in getting the community to prosper. Jan. On 1 November 2012 17:45, robert_w...@us.ibm.com wrote: A quick note, wearing my IBM hat. We (IBM) have consulted with customers, internal users, other IBM product teams, on what our (IBM's) development priorities should be for the next AOO release. Obviously, we're not the only ones with priorities or interests or opinions. We don't make AOO decisions by ourselves. But we want to be transparent about what our own priorities are, for our employees participating in the AOO community, and what they will be focusing on. As we did with AOO 3.4.0 and 3.4.1, we'll be putting the details onto the wiki over the next couple of weeks. You'll hear more at ApacheCon, but I wanted you to hear it hear first. Our top priorities: -- Improve the install and deployment experience, especially by supporting digital signatures on installs, and introducing a new incremental update feature, so users are not required to download and install a full image for just a minor update. -- A major UI enhancement, a sidebar framework for the editors, ported over from Symphony, and including an API. If you recall, Symphony won quite a lot of praise for its UI, and much of this was due to the sidebar panel. I think we can make a good argument that this approach, say compared to the MS Office ribbon is a better use of screen real-estate, especially as we see more frequent use of wide screen displays. I like what KOffice did with the management of tiles and panes, and I think is a great UI study case. There were some of these ideas embedded in the UX project. Personally I used to admire the UI from Macromedia projects which had a nice use of toolbars, floating panes, and could add a series of options in a clean icon-based intereface. -- Improved Table of Contents in Writer -- Improved system integration on Windows and MacOS, including possible adoption of gestures. Is this like for tablets? Not sure what gestures means, Opear has some gestures which are mouse keys combinations. For example, MacOS multi-touch gestures. See: http://www.apple.com/osx/what-is/gestures.html -- IAccessible2 bridge, ported over from Symphony, to improve accessibility. This is a major effort, but very important. -- Closer integration of clipart and template libraries with user experience. I think there was always objections to bloat the office suite with too much graphic intensive templates. Not sure if that opposition will be gone now. Impress does need a major facelift with animations and transitions. GSOC had integration bridge to OpenClipArt to import the clipart from the website, this functionality is also present on Inkscape. I think better integration with external repositories is key. Look at what MS Office 2013 does. -- Update branding and visual styling, contemporary and compelling, fresh and relevant. Funny enough, stale is the new fresh, taken from logos of Chrome and Windows, is more an art-deco style. Maybe if we wait long enough what we have now will come back in fashion? ;-) -- Social integration, allow our users to quickly and easily share their thoughts in a way that compliment their commercial social behavior. Explore the integration of consumer service-specific capabilities as well as generic Share... actions. eww I hate this and dont really understand why companies want to share a document. Why do we share a news clipping or a status update or anything else? If you can grab content from a
Re: AOO.Next IBM Priorities
On 11/01/2012 09:45 AM, robert_w...@us.ibm.com wrote: A quick note, wearing my IBM hat. We (IBM) have consulted with customers, internal users, other IBM product teams, on what our (IBM's) development priorities should be for the next AOO release. Obviously, we're not the only ones with priorities or interests or opinions. We don't make AOO decisions by ourselves. But we want to be transparent about what our own priorities are, for our employees participating in the AOO community, and what they will be focusing on. As we did with AOO 3.4.0 and 3.4.1, we'll be putting the details onto the wiki over the next couple of weeks. You'll hear more at ApacheCon, but I wanted you to hear it hear first. Thanks for sharing this, and could you re-post the (IBM) wiki link. It's been a while since we looked at anything related to this, and I didn't save it. Thanks. Our top priorities: -- Improve the install and deployment experience, especially by supporting digital signatures on installs, and introducing a new incremental update feature, so users are not required to download and install a full image for just a minor update. -- A major UI enhancement, a sidebar framework for the editors, ported over from Symphony, and including an API. If you recall, Symphony won quite a lot of praise for its UI, and much of this was due to the sidebar panel. I think we can make a good argument that this approach, say compared to the MS Office ribbon is a better use of screen real-estate, especially as we see more frequent use of wide screen displays. -- Improved Table of Contents in Writer -- Improved system integration on Windows and MacOS, including possible adoption of gestures. -- IAccessible2 bridge, ported over from Symphony, to improve accessibility. This is a major effort, but very important. -- Closer integration of clipart and template libraries with user experience. -- Update branding and visual styling, contemporary and compelling, fresh and relevant. -- Social integration, allow our users to quickly and easily share their thoughts in a way that compliment their commercial social behavior. Explore the integration of consumer service-specific capabilities as well as generic Share... actions. -- And many other smaller items Obviously the release date for this cannot be pinned down so early, and releasing is PMC decision, not an IBM one. But we think that this work could be completed and tested for a release in the March/April 2013 time-frame. And the scope of the release might be significant enough to warrant a 4.0 designation. In any case, we'll soon set up a page on the wiki to collect these items. As always, I invite you to add your own priorities to the wiki, things that you would like to work on. This could be a new feature. Or, if one of the above items sound interesting to you, we always welcome help designing and implementing these features. Regards, -Rob -- MzK Anyone who considers protocol unimportant has never dealt with a cat. -- Robert Heinlein
Re: AOO.Next IBM Priorities
Great! Thanks for sharing. Peter On 11/2/2012 12:45 AM, robert_w...@us.ibm.com wrote: A quick note, wearing my IBM hat. We (IBM) have consulted with customers, internal users, other IBM product teams, on what our (IBM's) development priorities should be for the next AOO release. Obviously, we're not the only ones with priorities or interests or opinions. We don't make AOO decisions by ourselves. But we want to be transparent about what our own priorities are, for our employees participating in the AOO community, and what they will be focusing on. As we did with AOO 3.4.0 and 3.4.1, we'll be putting the details onto the wiki over the next couple of weeks. You'll hear more at ApacheCon, but I wanted you to hear it hear first. Our top priorities: -- Improve the install and deployment experience, especially by supporting digital signatures on installs, and introducing a new incremental update feature, so users are not required to download and install a full image for just a minor update. -- A major UI enhancement, a sidebar framework for the editors, ported over from Symphony, and including an API. If you recall, Symphony won quite a lot of praise for its UI, and much of this was due to the sidebar panel. I think we can make a good argument that this approach, say compared to the MS Office ribbon is a better use of screen real-estate, especially as we see more frequent use of wide screen displays. -- Improved Table of Contents in Writer -- Improved system integration on Windows and MacOS, including possible adoption of gestures. -- IAccessible2 bridge, ported over from Symphony, to improve accessibility. This is a major effort, but very important. -- Closer integration of clipart and template libraries with user experience. -- Update branding and visual styling, contemporary and compelling, fresh and relevant. -- Social integration, allow our users to quickly and easily share their thoughts in a way that compliment their commercial social behavior. Explore the integration of consumer service-specific capabilities as well as generic Share... actions. -- And many other smaller items Obviously the release date for this cannot be pinned down so early, and releasing is PMC decision, not an IBM one. But we think that this work could be completed and tested for a release in the March/April 2013 time-frame. And the scope of the release might be significant enough to warrant a 4.0 designation. In any case, we'll soon set up a page on the wiki to collect these items. As always, I invite you to add your own priorities to the wiki, things that you would like to work on. This could be a new feature. Or, if one of the above items sound interesting to you, we always welcome help designing and implementing these features. Regards, -Rob
Re: AOO.Next IBM Priorities
-- A major UI enhancement, a sidebar framework for the editors, ported over from Symphony, and including an API. I hope I understand correctly that you mean the right side in the picture http://www.file-extensions.org/imgs/app-picture/4561/ibm-lotus-symphony.gif (OK, this picture is symphony but the same in AOO). In the picture namend Text and CellProperties. In this case, my question is: Is there already a compiled test version for Windows? (I do not necessarily mean a formal trial rather a snapshot, my personal problem is only that I could not compile and therefore need a compiled version.) Greetings, Jorg
Re: AOO.Next IBM Priorities
If I didn't know better I'd swear you had been spying on my wishlist. If IBM brought nothing else to the project it's customer focus is hugely valuable. Many thanks Rob, one marketing guy very happy. On 2/11/2012 8:52 AM, robert_w...@us.ibm.com wrote: A quick note, wearing my IBM hat. We (IBM) have consulted with customers, internal users, other IBM product teams, on what our (IBM's) development priorities should be for the next AOO release. Obviously, we're not the only ones with priorities or interests or opinions. We don't make AOO decisions by ourselves. But we want to be transparent about what our own priorities are, for our employees participating in the AOO community, and what they will be focusing on. As we did with AOO 3.4.0 and 3.4.1, we'll be putting the details onto the wiki over the next couple of weeks. You'll hear more at ApacheCon, but I wanted you to hear it hear first. Our top priorities: -- Improve the install and deployment experience, especially by supporting digital signatures on installs, and introducing a new incremental update feature, so users are not required to download and install a full image for just a minor update. -- A major UI enhancement, a sidebar framework for the editors, ported over from Symphony, and including an API. If you recall, Symphony won quite a lot of praise for its UI, and much of this was due to the sidebar panel. I think we can make a good argument that this approach, say compared to the MS Office ribbon is a better use of screen real-estate, especially as we see more frequent use of wide screen displays. -- Improved Table of Contents in Writer -- Improved system integration on Windows and MacOS, including possible adoption of gestures. -- IAccessible2 bridge, ported over from Symphony, to improve accessibility. This is a major effort, but very important. -- Closer integration of clipart and template libraries with user experience. -- Update branding and visual styling, contemporary and compelling, fresh and relevant. -- Social integration, allow our users to quickly and easily share their thoughts in a way that compliment their commercial social behavior. Explore the integration of consumer service-specific capabilities as well as generic Share... actions. -- And many other smaller items Obviously the release date for this cannot be pinned down so early, and releasing is PMC decision, not an IBM one. But we think that this work could be completed and tested for a release in the March/April 2013 time-frame. And the scope of the release might be significant enough to warrant a 4.0 designation. In any case, we'll soon set up a page on the wiki to collect these items. As always, I invite you to add your own priorities to the wiki, things that you would like to work on. This could be a new feature. Or, if one of the above items sound interesting to you, we always welcome help designing and implementing these features. Regards, -Rob
Re: AOO.Next IBM Priorities
KG01 - see comment inline On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 5:28 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 5:10 PM, Alexandro Colorado j...@oooes.org wrote: On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 2:53 PM, jan iversen jancasacon...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for the note, however knowing IBM I had hoped that one of the official goals was to help the development part of the community to get stabilized. This is what their costumers asked for, not IBM itself. Costumers dont care about development, most of the time. They think everyting is created with Pixeldust. I acknowledge that it is important for IBM to get an output of invested energy/time/money, but I think IBM would benefit not only from features but also from the soft points of helping the community. I was a bit disapointed they didnt asked for some more 'enterprise-ready' features like integration with ERP systems, tivoli, and credential management of profiles, improve Base and add bridge to DB2 or something in those veins. Some of these are being done, but as extensions. And in some cases they depend on proprietary code, so they lead to proprietary extensions. Personally, I'd recommend bring features like this into the core only if they can be done in some open fashion, e.g., standards based or at least an open driver-based or other extensible model which is open to all vendors. that being said in response to your IBM HAT, but I do feel that you and other IBM Fellows still do a great job in getting the community to prosper. Jan. On 1 November 2012 17:45, robert_w...@us.ibm.com wrote: A quick note, wearing my IBM hat. We (IBM) have consulted with customers, internal users, other IBM product teams, on what our (IBM's) development priorities should be for the next AOO release. Obviously, we're not the only ones with priorities or interests or opinions. We don't make AOO decisions by ourselves. But we want to be transparent about what our own priorities are, for our employees participating in the AOO community, and what they will be focusing on. As we did with AOO 3.4.0 and 3.4.1, we'll be putting the details onto the wiki over the next couple of weeks. You'll hear more at ApacheCon, but I wanted you to hear it hear first. Our top priorities: -- Improve the install and deployment experience, especially by supporting digital signatures on installs, and introducing a new incremental update feature, so users are not required to download and install a full image for just a minor update. -- A major UI enhancement, a sidebar framework for the editors, ported over from Symphony, and including an API. If you recall, Symphony won quite a lot of praise for its UI, and much of this was due to the sidebar panel. I think we can make a good argument that this approach, say compared to the MS Office ribbon is a better use of screen real-estate, especially as we see more frequent use of wide screen displays. I like what KOffice did with the management of tiles and panes, and I think is a great UI study case. There were some of these ideas embedded in the UX project. Personally I used to admire the UI from Macromedia projects which had a nice use of toolbars, floating panes, and could add a series of options in a clean icon-based intereface. -- Improved Table of Contents in Writer -- Improved system integration on Windows and MacOS, including possible adoption of gestures. Is this like for tablets? Not sure what gestures means, Opear has some gestures which are mouse keys combinations. For example, MacOS multi-touch gestures. See: http://www.apple.com/osx/what-is/gestures.html -- IAccessible2 bridge, ported over from Symphony, to improve accessibility. This is a major effort, but very important. -- Closer integration of clipart and template libraries with user experience. I think there was always objections to bloat the office suite with too much graphic intensive templates. Not sure if that opposition will be gone now. Impress does need a major facelift with animations and transitions. GSOC had integration bridge to OpenClipArt to import the clipart from the website, this functionality is also present on Inkscape. I think better integration with external repositories is key. Look at what MS Office 2013 does. -- Update branding and visual styling, contemporary and compelling, fresh and relevant. Funny enough, stale is the new fresh, taken from logos of Chrome and Windows, is more an art-deco style. Maybe if we wait long enough what we have now will come back in fashion? ;-) -- Social integration, allow our users to quickly and easily share their thoughts in a way that compliment their commercial social behavior. Explore the integration of consumer service-specific
