Re: [Oorexx-devel] Announcing ooRexx 4.1.1 Beta 1
On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 10:18 PM, Sahananda (Jon) Wolfers sahana...@windhorse.biz wrote: Just a couple of questions. 1) The Changes list here appears to be empty. Does it exist somewhere else. It is empty, it doesn't exist somewhere else. It will be filled in shortly. 2) The release notes say that one should uninstall previous versions before installing, but my understanding is that nowadays the installer takes care of the uninstall. Is this an artifact from earlier days? On Windows only, the installer will first run the uninstaller if it detects an installed version. But, that doesn't change the fact that the previous version needs to be uinstalled. On Windows, the installer presents the option of uninstalling the previous version, people need to say yes to that option, not decide to skip it. -- Mark Miesfeld -- Keep Your Developer Skills Current with LearnDevNow! The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-d2d ___ Oorexx-devel mailing list Oorexx-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/oorexx-devel
Re: [Oorexx-devel] Announcing ooRexx 4.1.1 Beta 1
Hi Mark, I installed the 32 bit fedora version on Centos - it complains about libstdc++.so.6: version 'GLIBCXX_3.4.15' not found (required by /usr/lib/ooRexx/librexxapi.so.4), I installed glibc separately with yum but that did not help. The Windows 7 install is plagued by extreme nagging from the OS. First, it is concluded that oorexx is not often downloaded and might harm the computer. The choices are quitting the install, and erasing the installer. A separate menu with otther choices must be accessed, and the choice one needs is 'toch installeren' which boils down to 'install regardless' - slightly stronger that 'install anyway'. After that, the install works flawless, but I am ticked off by the attempts to dissuade people from using ooRexx. We have recent experiences with a proto-installer for NetRexx on Windows, and it seems that a certificate for RexxLA might help both products here. Do we know the most cost-efficient way to obtain this, and would these work across all installers? best regards, René Jansen. On 21 feb. 2012, at 15:35, Mark Miesfeld wrote: On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 10:18 PM, Sahananda (Jon) Wolfers sahana...@windhorse.biz wrote: Just a couple of questions. 1) The Changes list here appears to be empty. Does it exist somewhere else. It is empty, it doesn't exist somewhere else. It will be filled in shortly. 2) The release notes say that one should uninstall previous versions before installing, but my understanding is that nowadays the installer takes care of the uninstall. Is this an artifact from earlier days? On Windows only, the installer will first run the uninstaller if it detects an installed version. But, that doesn't change the fact that the previous version needs to be uinstalled. On Windows, the installer presents the option of uninstalling the previous version, people need to say yes to that option, not decide to skip it. -- Mark Miesfeld -- Keep Your Developer Skills Current with LearnDevNow! The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-d2d ___ Oorexx-devel mailing list Oorexx-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/oorexx-devel -- Keep Your Developer Skills Current with LearnDevNow! The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-d2d ___ Oorexx-devel mailing list Oorexx-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/oorexx-devel
Re: [Oorexx-devel] Announcing ooRexx 4.1.1 Beta 1
Hi René On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 11:34 AM, René Jansen rvjan...@xs4all.nl wrote: I installed the 32 bit fedora version on Centos - it complains about libstdc++.so.6: version 'GLIBCXX_3.4.15' not found (required by /usr/lib/ooRexx/librexxapi.so.4), I installed glibc separately with yum but that did not help. We have found that on many of the Linux versions, the installer package needs to be built on the same Linux as it is to be installed on. This is true on Debian versions, SuSE versions, etc. I.e., a SuSE rpm built on SuSE 10 is required to install on SuSE 10 or 9, while a rpm built on SuSE 11 won't install on SuSE10. I don't know any way around that. One solution is for the user to build from source on his / her Linux. Obviously not a user friendly solution these days where the user may not have the required developer tools installed. However, the Linux build is well tested and if the user does have the developer tools installed, the build is easy and goes smoothly. The solution we have been using is to build as many specific Linux builds as possible. For 4.1.1, David has done quite a few Linux installers that I didn't get a chance to put on SourceForge yet. I will be doing that this evening. (Evening for me PST.) The Windows 7 install is plagued by extreme nagging from the OS. First, it is concluded that oorexx is not often downloaded and might harm the computer. The choices are quitting the install, and erasing the installer. A separate menu with otther choices must be accessed, and the choice one needs is 'toch installeren' which boils down to 'install regardless' - slightly stronger that 'install anyway'. This is true for a log of Windows software, even with big name companies. For instance, you will get these warnings installing the software for an Epson or a HP printer. The documentation tells you to just ignore the warnings. I've never seen a situation where I have to access a separate menu though. But, I would never choose to 'Download and Run' from SourceForge. I always download to my disk and then run the installer separately. After that, the install works flawless, but I am ticked off by the attempts to dissuade people from using ooRexx. We have recent experiences with a proto-installer for NetRexx on Windows, and it seems that a certificate for RexxLA might help both products here. Do we know the most cost-efficient way to obtain this, and would these work across all installers? A certificate for RexxLA would be an ideal solution. The certificate would work for both products and would work for both a NSIS installer or a MSI installer, and I'm pretty sure for any product that produces a Windows installation package. I believe a development certificate might be sufficient for NetRexx and ooRexx to get past the OS nags, which is cheaper. For a device driver, on Windows, you need a more expensive certificate. It has been some time since I've looked into this, and I may misremember the details, or the details may have changed. I'll look into it again. -- Mark Miesfeld -- Keep Your Developer Skills Current with LearnDevNow! The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-d2d ___ Oorexx-devel mailing list Oorexx-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/oorexx-devel
Re: [Oorexx-devel] Announcing ooRexx 4.1.1 Beta 1
On 21.02.2012 21:05, Mark Miesfeld wrote: ... cut ... A certificate for RexxLA would be an ideal solution. The certificate would work for both products and would work for both a NSIS installer or a MSI installer, and I'm pretty sure for any product that produces a Windows installation package. I believe a development certificate might be sufficient for NetRexx and ooRexx to get past the OS nags, which is cheaper. For a device driver, on Windows, you need a more expensive certificate. It has been some time since I've looked into this, and I may misremember the details, or the details may have changed. I'll look into it again. Microsoft these days supports not-for-profit open source projects like ASF. Maybe they have a program which allows not-for-profit organisations like RexxLA to get it even for free? ---rony -- Keep Your Developer Skills Current with LearnDevNow! The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-d2d ___ Oorexx-devel mailing list Oorexx-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/oorexx-devel
Re: [Oorexx-devel] Announcing ooRexx 4.1.1 Beta 1
Hi Mark thanks for your quick answer. On 21 feb. 2012, at 21:05, Mark Miesfeld wrote: We have found that on many of the Linux versions, the installer package needs to be built on the same Linux as it is to be installed on. This is true on Debian versions, SuSE versions, etc. I.e., a SuSE rpm built on SuSE 10 is required to install on SuSE 10 or 9, while a rpm built on SuSE 11 won't install on SuSE10. I don't know any way around that. It might be just needing a relink of some modules after installation. I'll see if I can find someone who knows what is needed so we don't have to investigate this ourselves. I hope these modules are our own, because what I understand from reading into it, my particular problem comes from a wrongly linked gnu cpp install - which is from a yum install on a Virtual Box CentOS appliance - odd. The commercial - IBM - software that I installed lately does not seems to suffer this problem, so we might need to relink, or link more statically into the modules. software for an Epson or a HP printer. The documentation tells you to just ignore the warnings. I've never seen a situation where I have to access a separate menu though. But, I would never choose to 'Download and Run' from SourceForge. I always download to my disk and then run the installer separately. Yes, that is the sensible thing to do - I mimicked the naive user here, like I think the way my dad would install it. Still I do not like all the implications of this - this is a serious programming product and I am seriously offended by the tone of some of these messages. So we should do something about it. A certificate for RexxLA would be an ideal solution. The certificate would work for both products and would work for both a NSIS installer or a MSI installer, and I'm pretty sure for any product that produces a Windows installation package. I believe a development certificate might be sufficient for NetRexx and ooRexx to get past the OS nags, which is cheaper. For a device driver, on Windows, you need a more expensive certificate. It has Ok, I will inform the board and will try to free budget for this - I hope Rony is right and we could get it for free. best regards, René. -- Keep Your Developer Skills Current with LearnDevNow! The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-d2d___ Oorexx-devel mailing list Oorexx-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/oorexx-devel
Re: [Oorexx-devel] Announcing ooRexx 4.1.1 Beta 1
On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 12:39 PM, René Jansen rvjan...@xs4all.nl wrote: ... Still I do not like all the implications of this - this is a serious programming product and I am seriously offended by the tone of some of these messages. So we should do something about it. Looking into it a little, for a Windows installer you need to use Authenticode and a digital certificate. Microsoft will only recognize certificates from a few companies. It's not cheap, $100+ to $400+ per year. Here's a link to a pretty good summary: http://successfulsoftware.net/2008/02/27/the-great-digital-certificate-ripoff/ I haven't found a link to information on getting a certificate as a non-profit as opposed to a commercial vendor. I'm not sure if there is a way to get a cheaper certificate. (Well, you can get cheaper certifcates, but Microsoft won't recognize them during an install.) -- Mark Miesfeld -- Keep Your Developer Skills Current with LearnDevNow! The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-d2d ___ Oorexx-devel mailing list Oorexx-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/oorexx-devel
[Oorexx-devel] Announcing ooRexx 4.1.1 Beta 1
All - The Open Object Rexx Project is proud to announce the first ooRexx 4.1.1 beta. The Beta 1 code is available at http://sourceforge.net/projects/oorexx/files/ Be sure to expand the oorexx tab and then the 4.1.1 beta tab to locate the files for download. Installer packages are available for a few operating systems now. Additional files will be added shortly, as they become available. This version of ooRexx is a bug fix only release. There are no new features. Please read the CHANGES document to review the complete list of bugs fixed. Please let us know about any issues you find via the standard SourceForge bug tracker at http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=119701atid=684730 We would appreciate any feedback you have concerning this release. Thank you, The ooRexx Project Team -- Try before you buy = See our experts in action! The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-dev2 ___ Oorexx-devel mailing list Oorexx-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/oorexx-devel
Re: [Oorexx-devel] Announcing ooRexx 4.1.1 Beta 1
Hi Mark et al, Well done. Thanks for all your hard work. Just a couple of questions. 1) The Changes list herehttp://sourceforge.net/projects/oorexx/files/oorexx/4.1.1.beta/appears to be empty. Does it exist somewhere else. 2) The release notes say that one should uninstall previous versions before installing, but my understanding is that nowadays the installer takes care of the uninstall. Is this an artifact from earlier days? thanks, Jon On 20 February 2012 20:02, Mark Miesfeld miesf...@gmail.com wrote: All - The Open Object Rexx Project is proud to announce the first ooRexx 4.1.1 beta. The Beta 1 code is available at http://sourceforge.net/projects/oorexx/files/ Be sure to expand the oorexx tab and then the 4.1.1 beta tab to locate the files for download. Installer packages are available for a few operating systems now. Additional files will be added shortly, as they become available. This version of ooRexx is a bug fix only release. There are no new features. Please read the CHANGES document to review the complete list of bugs fixed. Please let us know about any issues you find via the standard SourceForge bug tracker at http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=119701atid=684730 We would appreciate any feedback you have concerning this release. Thank you, The ooRexx Project Team -- Try before you buy = See our experts in action! The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-dev2 ___ Oorexx-devel mailing list Oorexx-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/oorexx-devel -- Keep Your Developer Skills Current with LearnDevNow! The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-d2d___ Oorexx-devel mailing list Oorexx-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/oorexx-devel
