Re: [Oorexx-devel] post-release actions

[Harmander Singh]

Thank you. Working on it on my Windows-10 system.

On Thu, 28 Jan 2021 at 02:44, René Jansen  wrote:

> Hi Harmander,
>
> one of the identified showstoppers is Walter’s linein slowdown on windows
> issue, https://sourceforge.net/p/oorexx/bugs/1737/ and probably
> https://sourceforge.net/p/oorexx/bugs/1721/ (don’t know the exact
> relation). It would be very beneficial if you could assist testing this and
> formulating hypotheses for the cause.
>
> Things to take into account are reproducibility (windows vs other
> platforms - if you have succinct testcases we can run them or add them to
> the automated testcases to be able to follow this issue and its causes more
> closely on several platforms) and interaction with external factors like
> virus checking software - I ran into several cases of degradation, e.g. in
> git performance, where this ultimately was to blame.
>
> A good starting point would be to see when this was introduced. I am sure
> Erich can help you with this - but first, I’d suggest a close reading of
> the mentioned incident reports.
>
> Thank you very much for any help!
>
> best regards,
>
> René Jansen.
>
> On 27 Jan 2021, at 15:57, Rony G. Flatscher 
> wrote:
>
> Hi Harmander,
>
> thank you *very* much for your offer!
>
> As you see there is a communication problem somehow as no one of the
> official developers (Erich or Rick) would get back to it.
>
> Maybe we can start out in the documentation corner with the help of Gil
> and P.O.
>
> But still, we need pointers of missing documentation items and I do not
> know which ones there are that are a) missing and b) show-stoppers to be
> tackled first. So in this regard, Erich and/or Rick, please point at such
> items or let us know how to find them ourselves! :)
>
> ---rony
>
>
>
> On 26.01.2021 08:59, Harmander Singh wrote:
>
> Many thanks for your offer:
>  if someone can point at an item you could tackle I volunteer to help you
> through for the first item, from getting svn, checking out the
> documentation, creating the documentation off-line such that you can test
> your changes for correctness, to creating a patch to incorporate all your 
> changes
> into the trunk at Sourceforge.
> I can be emailed separately to start off.
> Regards
>
>
> On Tue, 26 Jan 2021 at 06:17, Rony G. Flatscher 
> wrote:
>
>> On 25.01.2021 02:34, Harmander Singh wrote:
>>
>> Could getting more hands on deck help? Maybe specific tasks anyone thinks
>> can be offloaded may be announced, and volunteers can then interact with
>> the person to accomplish them.
>>
>> I had earlier volunteered but was not offered any task (perhaps none was
>> suited to my skill-set which is: a lot of Rexx experience, and a little
>> ooRexx knowledge). Maybe documentation/testing help?
>>
>> that would be really great! If it is documentation I would offer the same
>> help as Walter, except for the offer to visit, assuming that that would be
>> a little bit too far at the moment... ;)
>>
>> ---rony
>>
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Re: [Oorexx-devel] post-release actions

[René Jansen]

Hi Harmander,

one of the identified showstoppers is Walter’s linein slowdown on windows 
issue, https://sourceforge.net/p/oorexx/bugs/1737/ and probably 
https://sourceforge.net/p/oorexx/bugs/1721/ (don’t know the exact relation). It 
would be very beneficial if you could assist testing this and formulating 
hypotheses for the cause.

Things to take into account are reproducibility (windows vs other platforms - 
if you have succinct testcases we can run them or add them to the automated 
testcases to be able to follow this issue and its causes more closely on 
several platforms) and interaction with external factors like virus checking 
software - I ran into several cases of degradation, e.g. in git performance, 
where this ultimately was to blame.

A good starting point would be to see when this was introduced. I am sure Erich 
can help you with this - but first, I’d suggest a close reading of the 
mentioned incident reports.

Thank you very much for any help!

best regards,

René Jansen.

> On 27 Jan 2021, at 15:57, Rony G. Flatscher  wrote:
> 
> Hi Harmander,
> 
> thank you *very* much for your offer!
> 
> As you see there is a communication problem somehow as no one of the official 
> developers (Erich or Rick) would get back to it.
> 
> Maybe we can start out in the documentation corner with the help of Gil and 
> P.O. 
> 
> But still, we need pointers of missing documentation items and I do not know 
> which ones there are that are a) missing and b) show-stoppers to be tackled 
> first. So in this regard, Erich and/or Rick, please point at such items or 
> let us know how to find them ourselves! :)
> 
> ---rony
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 26.01.2021 08:59, Harmander Singh wrote:
>> Many thanks for your offer: 
>>  if someone can point at an item you could tackle I volunteer to help you 
>> through for the first item, from getting svn, checking out the 
>> documentation, creating the documentation off-line such that you can test 
>> your changes for correctness, to creating a patch to incorporate all your 
>> changes into the trunk at Sourceforge.
>> I can be emailed separately to start off. 
>> Regards
>> 
>> 
>> On Tue, 26 Jan 2021 at 06:17, Rony G. Flatscher > > wrote:
>> On 25.01.2021 02:34, Harmander Singh wrote:
>>> Could getting more hands on deck help? Maybe specific tasks anyone thinks 
>>> can be offloaded may be announced, and volunteers can then interact with 
>>> the person to accomplish them.
>>>   
>>> I had earlier volunteered but was not offered any task (perhaps none was 
>>> suited to my skill-set which is: a lot of Rexx experience, and a little 
>>> ooRexx knowledge). Maybe documentation/testing help?
>> that would be really great! If it is documentation I would offer the same 
>> help as Walter, except for the offer to visit, assuming that that would be a 
>> little bit too far at the moment... ;)
>> 
>> ---rony
>> 
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Re: [Oorexx-devel] post-release actions

[Rony G. Flatscher]

Hi Harmander,

thank you *very* much for your offer!

As you see there is a communication problem somehow as no one of the official 
developers (Erich or
Rick) would get back to it.

Maybe we can start out in the documentation corner with the help of Gil and P.O.

But still, we need pointers of missing documentation items and I do not know 
which ones there are
that are a) missing and b) show-stoppers to be tackled first. So in this 
regard, Erich and/or Rick,
please point at such items or let us know how to find them ourselves! :)

---rony



On 26.01.2021 08:59, Harmander Singh wrote:
> Many thanks for your offer: 
>  if someone can point at an item you could tackle I volunteer to help you 
> through for the first
> item, from getting svn, checking out the documentation, creating the 
> documentation off-line such
> that you can test your changes for correctness, to creating a patch to 
> incorporate all
> your changes into the trunk at Sourceforge.
> I can be emailed separately to start off. 
> Regards
>
>
> On Tue, 26 Jan 2021 at 06:17, Rony G. Flatscher  > wrote:
>
> On 25.01.2021 02:34, Harmander Singh wrote:
>> Could getting more hands on deck help? Maybe specific tasks anyone 
>> thinks can be offloaded
>> may be announced, and volunteers can then interact with the person to 
>> accomplish them.
>>  
>> I had earlier volunteered but was not offered any task (perhaps none was 
>> suited to my
>> skill-set which is: a lot of Rexx experience, and a little ooRexx 
>> knowledge). Maybe
>> documentation/testing help?
>
> that would be really great! If it is documentation I would offer the same 
> help as Walter,
> except for the offer to visit, assuming that that would be a little bit 
> too far at the
> moment... ;)
>
> ---rony
>

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Re: [Oorexx-devel] post-release actions

[Harmander Singh]

Many thanks for your offer:
 if someone can point at an item you could tackle I volunteer to help you
through for the first item, from getting svn, checking out the
documentation, creating the documentation off-line such that you can test
your changes for correctness, to creating a patch to incorporate all
your changes
into the trunk at Sourceforge.
I can be emailed separately to start off.
Regards


On Tue, 26 Jan 2021 at 06:17, Rony G. Flatscher 
wrote:

> On 25.01.2021 02:34, Harmander Singh wrote:
>
> Could getting more hands on deck help? Maybe specific tasks anyone thinks
> can be offloaded may be announced, and volunteers can then interact with
> the person to accomplish them.
>
> I had earlier volunteered but was not offered any task (perhaps none was
> suited to my skill-set which is: a lot of Rexx experience, and a little
> ooRexx knowledge). Maybe documentation/testing help?
>
> that would be really great! If it is documentation I would offer the same
> help as Walter, except for the offer to visit, assuming that that would be
> a little bit too far at the moment... ;)
>
> ---rony
>
>
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Re: [Oorexx-devel] post-release actions

[Rony G. Flatscher]

On 25.01.2021 02:34, Harmander Singh wrote:
> Could getting more hands on deck help? Maybe specific tasks anyone thinks can 
> be offloaded may be
> announced, and volunteers can then interact with the person to accomplish 
> them.
>  
> I had earlier volunteered but was not offered any task (perhaps none was 
> suited to my skill-set
> which is: a lot of Rexx experience, and a little ooRexx knowledge). Maybe 
> documentation/testing help?

that would be really great! If it is documentation I would offer the same help 
as Walter, except for
the offer to visit, assuming that that would be a little bit too far at the 
moment... ;)

---rony


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Re: [Oorexx-devel] post-release actions

[Harmander Singh]

Could getting more hands on deck help? Maybe specific tasks anyone thinks
can be offloaded may be announced, and volunteers can then interact with
the person to accomplish them.

I had earlier volunteered but was not offered any task (perhaps none was
suited to my skill-set which is: a lot of Rexx experience, and a little
ooRexx knowledge). Maybe documentation/testing help?

On Mon, 25 Jan 2021 at 03:58, Jeremy Nicoll 
wrote:

> On Sun, 24 Jan 2021, at 16:05, Jeremy Nicoll wrote:
>
> > I'd never heard of it until you mentioned it.  According to
> >
> >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Store
>
> ...
>
> And also, I just stumbled across the following article, which
> makes it clear that right now there's more than one MS app
> store, but that two of them are probably about to cease to
> exist:
>
>
> https://www.zdnet.com/article/microsoft-is-planning-to-phase-out-the-windows-10-store-for-business/
>
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Re: [Oorexx-devel] post-release actions

[Jeremy Nicoll]

On Sun, 24 Jan 2021, at 16:05, Jeremy Nicoll wrote:

> I'd never heard of it until you mentioned it.  According to 
> 
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Store

...

And also, I just stumbled across the following article, which 
makes it clear that right now there's more than one MS app
store, but that two of them are probably about to cease to 
exist:

https://www.zdnet.com/article/microsoft-is-planning-to-phase-out-the-windows-10-store-for-business/

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Re: [Oorexx-devel] post-release actions

[Jeremy Nicoll]

On Sun, 24 Jan 2021, at 14:21, René Jansen wrote:

[snip]

> For Windows, we should get into that Microsoft app store. 

I'd never heard of it until you mentioned it.  According to 

   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Store

it's quite complicated in terms of what sorts of apps it offers
and the (potentially many) platforms that they may have to be 
available for.

I have never in my life installed any software from such a store.
Instead, I find a product's website (or pages on eg Sourceforge)
download an installer and run it.  

I would be surprised if many of the current users of ooREXX are
used to the 'store'-based approach.

Maybe it's a good idea if we want to attract younger(?) users 
who are used to the 'store'?  But I wonder if offering ooREXX
that way might result in a lot of extra work?

I'm not clear whether, to find and install something from the MS
store, one needs a Microsoft Account.  I've never had one - always
giving that option a body-swerve when installing Windows.  I know
I'm not - by a long way - the only person who does not want to 
have to have such an account. 

Even if we did have ooREXX available that way, I would want it to 
be available in a traditional manner too.


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[Oorexx-devel] post-release actions

[René Jansen]

… that we can start now.

It seems imperative that we get ooRexx added to the different distributions. 
Most people install like that; some run installers; even less build from source.

I know ooRexx is in the SLES build tree and is just waiting for the GA signal. 
We should be able to address RedHat via our IBM contacts. For other 
distributions - I hope people have their own favorites and will try to get them 
into those. It might entail setting up a repository and make sure apt and yum 
can handle that.

For macOS we have Homebrew and Macports to consider. And maybe even the App 
Store (shudder).

For Windows, we should get into that Microsoft app store. I think before that 
we should have solved the false positive problem for some virus businesses, and 
have crypto certificates.
I will go after those. Last time Les and Chip were rebuffed because some 
telephone number was not connected, if I remember correctly.

If someone knows other Windows distribution mechanisms, I would love to hear 
about those. Because I avoid it, I would not know, and I only see corporate 
distribution tools. This might be the only platform where the traditional 
installer exe still matters.

René.

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