Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Multi-Valued Fields in the wild
As far as I’m aware, our technical services department is still behaving as if the MVF do not exist -- if we get a combo set, we create 2 records, one for the DVD and one for the Blu-Ray. We have yet to start really taking advantage of the opportunity to have multiple values in these fields. The information we’re really seeking is how this will end up looking on the staff end and on the patron end. So, for instance, this Evergreen Indiana record has two 007 fields, which have caused it to have two format icons appear (I assume): https://evergreen.lib.in.us/eg/opac/record/20360738?query=frozen;qtype=keyword;fi%3Asearch_format=dvd;locg=1;page=0 I was just hoping to see more examples like that, and how other libraries are taking advantage of the feature. Kate Butler Technology Librarian Rodgers Memorial Library (Hudson, NH) http://www.rodgerslibrary.org/ From: Open-ils-general [mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Mike Rylander Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2015 7:10 PM To: Evergreen Discussion Group Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Multi-Valued Fields in the wild Kate, What is the use case you have in mind? I ask because anyone on 2.6 or greater is actually already using them. For instance, if you have a record for a DVD/Blu-Ray combo set that has two 007 fields, one for each video recording format, you can search by either (or both) and find the record. Hope that helps! -- Mike Rylander | President | Equinox Software, Inc. / The Open Source Experts | phone: 1-877-OPEN-ILS (673-6457) | email: mi...@esilibrary.commailto:mi...@esilibrary.com | web: http://www.esilibrary.com On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 2:49 PM, Kate Butler katebut...@rodgerslibrary.orgmailto:katebut...@rodgerslibrary.org wrote: Has anyone implemented Multi-Valued Fields in their catalogs? We are considering taking a look at these later this summer and I wondered how much people had used this feature yet. (Any words of wisdom?) Thanks, Kate Butler Technology Librarian Rodgers Memorial Library (Hudson, NH) http://www.rodgerslibrary.org/
[OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Multi-Valued Fields in the wild
Has anyone implemented Multi-Valued Fields in their catalogs? We are considering taking a look at these later this summer and I wondered how much people had used this feature yet. (Any words of wisdom?) Thanks, Kate Butler Technology Librarian Rodgers Memorial Library (Hudson, NH) http://www.rodgerslibrary.org/
[OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Serials Questions - Best Practices
Our library uses the serials module in a pretty basic way, which essentially replicates how we used serials in our old system: It's used for magazines/newspapers only, not any other serial publications. When the title is added to the system, a subscription is created, with the proper number of streams and the current pattern of publication, and we generate a bunch of predictions (usually about a year) so circulation staff can receive the items when they arrive in the mail. When we run out of predictions, we just generate a bunch of new ones in the same subscription. Newspapers are held for about 30 days (we don't barcode these, so no items are created) and magazines for roughly a calendar year. When circulation staff pulls old magazines they scan the barcodes into a withdrawal bucket and this gets emptied by tech services on a regular basis. My questions are this: * Is it better to clone a new subscription every year and start fresh? What might be the advantages/disadvantages of this method? * What effect does deleting the old subscription have on any issuances which were received under that subscription? Will it delete them too? * Is there any reason to be concerned about all the used up predictions that are still cluttering the subscriptions after their associated items are withdrawn? (Aside from the fact that there isn't any obvious way to sort the whole prediction list descending, so it's hard to see if the /new/ predictions came out correctly.) Kate Butler Technology Librarian Rodgers Memorial Library (Hudson, NH) http://www.rodgerslibrary.org/
[OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Pre-Cataloged Items
If an item is added as a pre-catalogued item and then circulated, what happens to the record of that circulation (for reporting purposes) if the item is deleted upon return rather than turned into a real item? Kate Butler Technology Librarian Rodgers Memorial Library (Hudson, NH) http://www.rodgerslibrary.org/
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] KPAC filtering
We're doing the same thing, though I was using location_groups(#) which syntax I got from here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/939570 Is one specification better/more supported than the other?Neither seemed was on the wiki page. Kate Butler Technology Librarian Rodgers Memorial Library (Hudson, NH) http://www.rodgerslibrary.org/ -Original Message- From: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org [mailto:open-ils- general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Ben Shum Sent: Monday, April 07, 2014 9:33 PM To: Evergreen Discussion Group Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] KPAC filtering For whatever it's worth, we make use of the custom filter groups and just specify a filter group like: global_filterfilter_group_entry(4)/global_filter Where 4 is the filter group that we set aside for KPAC entries. Then we update the locations(x, y, z) in that filter group using the filter editor in the staff client. This way, whenever we add or remove different copy locations, it doesn't require updating the XML file. -- Ben On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 9:27 PM, McCanna, Terran tmcca...@georgialibraries.org wrote: Holly, I think it's a great question, and I'd love to know if that works when you try it out! Another thing I was mulling over was that it would be fun to make another version of the KPAC just for teens with its own graphics and just including audience type cd materials. (In my copious spare time... ) Terran McCanna PINES Program Manager Georgia Public Library Service 1800 Century Place, Suite 150 Atlanta, GA 30345 404-235-7138 tmcca...@georgialibraries.org - Original Message - From: Holly Brennan haderh...@ci.homer.ak.us To: Evergreen Discussion Group open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.org Sent: Monday, April 7, 2014 9:03:54 PM Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] KPAC filtering Ah, look at the file! Why didn't I think of that? (Tired, reaching end of day.) Thanks, Terran! Good clues on where to start looking and experimenting. -Holly -Original Message- From: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org [mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of McCanna, Terran Sent: Monday, April 07, 2014 4:57 PM To: Evergreen Discussion Group Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] KPAC filtering Hmm... I could be wrong (and I'm very tired), but I would guess that with the way the global filter tag is set up in the kpac.xml file, that you could put any sort of defined filter in there. It is configured for audience(a,b,c,d,j) and that is easy to modify, but my guess is you could replace that bit in the global filter tag with locations(x,y,z) where x,y,z were the IDs (not the names) of the shelving locations you wish to display. This page lists the filters that the query parser understands and it says locations refers to shelving location IDs: http://evergreen-ils.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=documentation:technical: search_grammar I'm not sure if there is a way to determine the IDs of your shelving locations without looking at the database table that holds them. We couldn't do this in PINES because our consortium allows different libraries to have different shelving locations and it would be too difficult to track, but I don't see why it couldn't work for a smaller or more standardized system. Terran McCanna PINES Program Manager Georgia Public Library Service 1800 Century Place, Suite 150 Atlanta, GA 30345 404-235-7138 tmcca...@georgialibraries.org -- Benjamin Shum Evergreen Systems Manager Bibliomation, Inc. 24 Wooster Ave. Waterbury, CT 06708 203-577-4070, ext. 113
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] browser staff feedback request / integration
Another +1 to Terran's thoughts. From my perspective, as the one who has to train the staff, being able to move certain functions entirely out of the staff client will be easier to explain to them than letting them stick with the client with these new interfaces. It's going to be painful for them regardless, but I'd rather rip off the bandaid than slowly peel it back. Kate Butler Technology Librarian Rodgers Memorial Library (Hudson, NH) http://www.rodgerslibrary.org/ From: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org [mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Rogan Hamby Sent: Friday, April 04, 2014 10:40 AM To: Evergreen Discussion Group Cc: Evergreen Development Discussion List Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] browser staff feedback request / integration At the Hack-A-Way we discussed the piecemeal method of integrating the new staff client into the XUL app as a way of easing people into it. I've always been OK with that approach but I don't prefer it. I think we would waste precious resources trying to frankenstein them. On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 10:32 AM, Dan Scott d...@coffeecode.netmailto:d...@coffeecode.net wrote: On Fri, Apr 04, 2014 at 10:25:56AM -0400, McCanna, Terran wrote: My preference would be to leave the existing client as is (with the exception of bug fixes, etc.), but to offer the browser-based modules as options once they become available. My reasons for this are: 1) It will allow for indepth use of the new module in a production environment to uncover any bugs or performance issues while still having a known entity as a backup. No amount of testing is going to uncover all of the odd little problems like working in a live environment will. 2) When moving back and forth between the two environments, staff will be more aware of the improved user interface and performance, and I believe they will be more eager to transition completely to the new environment. 3) The browser-based circulation module may offer some immediate relief to those frontline circ staff who are struggling with antiquated machines and slow networks. 4) The new modules can begin to be thoroughly tested on mobile devices that cannot run the current client. +1 to what Terran says. Let's forgo the complications of trying to force new-style development into an aging security / performance / functionality-impaired container and instead focus on fleshing out the browser-based modules on a workflow-by-workflow basis as much as possible, so that some staff (as Terran says) can benefit ASAP and help us find where we can optimize workflows or where we've missed yet another piece of existing functionality that most sites don't use but that is critical to another site's workflow. -- Rogan Hamby, MLS, CCNP, MIA Managers Headquarters Library and Reference Services, York County Library System You don't have to burn books to destroy a culture. Just get people to stop reading them. ― Ray Bradburyhttps://www.goodreads.com/author/show/1630.Ray_Bradbury You can never get a cup of tea large enough or a book long enough to suit me. ― C.S. Lewishttp://www.goodreads.com/author/show/1069006.C_S_Lewis
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] PC reservation systems
We also use CASSIE and haven't had any issues with it. We haven't tried their wireless service yet (SPOT). Right now we don't allow direct wireless printing. The price for CASSIE is very reasonable for a smaller or more cash-strapped library, and the interface is really simple for staff. Kate Butler Technology Librarian Rodgers Memorial Library (Hudson, NH) http://www.rodgerslibrary.org/ From: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org [open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] on behalf of Aaron Z [aar...@pls-net.org] Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 10:47 AM To: Evergreen Discussion Group Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] PC reservation systems We have several libraries running CASSIE (http://www.librarica.com) which does PC reservations, print management, etc. It also does a fairly good job of tracking user statistics (ie: wait time, average session length, etc). The biggest issue that we have run into is if you are running Windows 7x64 public machines, the computer sharing the printers needs to run Windows 7 as well or printers wont install due to a lack of drivers and no way to manually specify drivers. Aaron Zsembery Library Systems Analyst Pioneer Library System 2557 State Rt. 21 Canandaigua, New York 14424 Phone: (585) 394-8260 x111 From: jmu...@tcpclibrary.org To: evergreenresour...@lists.in.gov, e...@tcpclibrary.org, open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.org Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 10:20:37 AM Subject: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] PC reservation systems Anyone on Evergreen have a PC reservation system for the public they would recommend or recommend against? It should have print management software too and we would prefer it to run with Windows PCs. Thanks, John Director Perry County Public Library 2328 Tell Street Tell City, IN 47586 www.tcpclibrary.orghttp://www.tcpclibrary.org jmu...@tcpclibrary.org
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Checking out holds to an alternate patron
We heard about this possible development at the Evergreen roundtable at NELA and were very excited -- this is, hands down, our number one staff complaint of 'something that makes us think longingly of our old system'. Right now, our library handles the permission issues totally offline: Patron A signs a form giving Patron B permission to pick up holds and we put a note on their account. Our previous ILS always asked if you wanted to cancel a hold when you checked out something from the hold shelf to a different person, so remembering to do it separately has been a big problem here. Kate Butler Technology Librarian Rodgers Memorial Library (Hudson, NH) http://www.rodgerslibrary.org/ From: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org [mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Kathy Lussier Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 12:41 AM To: Evergreen General Discussion List Subject: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Checking out holds to an alternate patron Hi all, One big issue for our libraries has been the workflow in checking out items when the patron sends a family member or another person to pick up a hold on their behalf. We've been exploring different possibilities for development to improve this workflow. There are various ways our libraries handle this situation, but the following is a likely workflow: - A patron goes to the library and picks up their spouse's hold. They might pick it up from a self-service holds shelf or, if the holds shelf is behind the desk, they will ask staff for the item. - We have some libraries that use notes to verify who is allowed to pick up holds. In other libraries, particularly the smaller ones, staff may know by sight who is allowed to pick up a patron's holds. Libraries also have different policies on whether the hold should be checked out to the person who has picked up the hold or the person who originally placed the hold. - For those libraries that check out the item to the person who is picking up the hold, when they perform the checkout, they receive the message saying that the item is on hold for somebody else. Staff who have permission can then override that message and continue with the checkout. - The hold for the original patron remains, and there is no easy way to cancel that hold from this screen. Instead, staff need to retrieve the record for the original patron to cancel the hold. If they don't follow this last step, the hold remains on the patron's account and gets filled again. Circ staff who have the right permissions have the ability to perform the checkout and cancel the original hold so that the transaction can be completed. However, it takes several steps, particularly when it comes to the hold cancellation. MassLNC is considering a development project that would leverage a friends infrastructure already built into Evergreen that would allow us to easily manage who can pick up whose holds and automate the process a bit. If we decide to move forward with this project, I know I'll be sharing more information on this list as we work through some of the implementation details. However, we also recognize that, even if we provide a means for patrons to identify who can pick up their holds, there will continue to be situations where friends/family who have not yet been linked to a patron's account will be sent to the library to pick up someone's holds. In those situations, we still would like an easier way to handle the checkout. Here are our thoughts for improving the workflow: - If an item from the hold shelf is checked out to another patron, staff receive a prompt saying that the item is on hold for somebody else. This alert should display the name of the person for whom the item is on hold. - This prompt should provide three options: an option to cancel the checkout; to proceed with the checkout and remove the original patron from the holds queue; or to proceed with the checkout but leave the original patron in the holds queue. - The system should continue to use the same permissions it does today to determine if staff is authorized to proceed with the checkout by overriding the alert or authorized to cancel the hold. We aren't looking to give staff the ability to do anything they can't already do. We're basically trying to remove some of the steps required to complete the transaction. Before moving further on this project, I wanted to throw the idea out to the community to see if others would view this additional option on the prompt as an acceptable workflow improvement. Thanks! Kathy -- Kathy Lussier Project Coordinator Massachusetts Library Network Cooperative (508) 343-0128 kluss...@masslnc.orgmailto:kluss...@masslnc.org Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/kmlussier
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Fwd: Opinions needed on copying patron data to the clipboard
Second, when most people see an underlined link, they are not at all likely to expect that clicking on the link will copy the value because that is a very unusual thing for clicking on a link to do. This, thousand times. There should be more consistency with the UI in staff client - currently clicking on a blue underlined link can do several things: copy the text to the clipboard, pop up a menu, or go to a new UI. This encapsulates the issue perfectly. If it looks like a link, it should behave the way we expect a link to behave (open something new). Coming up with some different way to visually identify click = copy to clipboard would be fine, as long as it's then applied consistently across the staff client. Especially if the ultimate goal is to move to a web-based interface, eliminating ambiguities like that should be considered during the move/redesign. Kate Butler Technology Librarian Rodgers Memorial Library (Hudson, NH) http://www.rodgerslibrary.org/
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Fwd: Opinions needed on copying patron data to the clipboard
I'm one of those who had already weighed in on the bug report initially. Our staff are extremely suspicious when they just click and nothing happens. They're way too used to having to highlight things and select 'copy' from somewhere to be comfortable believing that just clicking copies (for example) the entire library card number. They will often click several times, then try to highlight it anyway. The confirmation makes them feel better. So I have to say we'd like it back. Kate Butler Technology Librarian Rodgers Memorial Library (Hudson, NH) http://www.rodgerslibrary.org/ From: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org [mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Kathy Lussier Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2013 3:28 PM To: Evergreen General Discussion List Subject: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Fwd: Opinions needed on copying patron data to the clipboard Hi all, I thought I sent this message to the list months ago, but it looks like it got lost on its way. Let me know if you have any thoughts on this question! Kathy Kathy Lussier Project Coordinator Massachusetts Library Network Cooperative (508) 343-0128 kluss...@masslnc.orgmailto:kluss...@masslnc.org Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/kmlussier Original Message Subject: Opinions needed on copying patron data to the clipboard Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2013 16:36:59 -0400 From: Kathy Lussier kluss...@masslnc.orgmailto:kluss...@masslnc.org To: Evergreen General Discussion List open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.orgmailto:open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.org Hi all, I'm seeking opinions on a change that was made in 2.4 when copying information from the patron editor to the clipboard. Prior to 2.4, when a user clicked on a link in the patron summary, they would receive an alert confirming that the data had been copied to the clipboard (see attached image). The alert was removed in 2.4 and a bug has been filed on the issue - https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/1192189. There are pros and cons to removing the confirmation message. The pros of removing the message are that it conforms with wider user interface standards. Basically, you don't receive this kind of confirmation when copying data using CTRL-C or a shortcut menu. The message can also be seen as an annoyance as it requires an additional click. On the con side, it can be somewhat disconcerting to click on that link and not receive a confirmation, leading the user to wonder if the data was really copied. It's uncommon in other software to use underlined text for copying data, and the confirmation message provides a visual cue as to the action that was just taken. Although I filed the original bug report, I have to say I'm on the fence with this issue. However, I do think it's important that the end users who are using the patron editor on a daily basis provide some feedback on this feature. Since I filed the bug, three more people have shown support for restoring the confirmation message. However, if there are people who were happy to see that the message went away, I don't think we would have heard from them in Launchpad because they wouldn't have bothered to take the time to determine if a bug were filed. I thought it would be best to do an informal poll of the community through the general list to see if there is interest in restoring the confirmation message or if people are happy with its removal. I'm hoping we can get a feel of the general consensus through an e-mail thread rather than setting up a formal poll. Let me know what you think! Kathy -- Kathy Lussier Project Coordinator Massachusetts Library Network Cooperative (508) 343-0128 kluss...@masslnc.orgmailto:kluss...@masslnc.org Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/kmlussier
[OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Serials Prediction Question
We recently went live with Evergreen (2.4) and I've been working on entering our periodical information into the serials module. I've been running into a problem when I try to enter a pattern where three months or days are combined. (Such as June/July/August as a single issue.) The pattern wizard creates the code fine, but when you generate the predictions it combines the first two dates and gives the third its own issue. It's easy enough to work around this by omitting one of the three, but I wondered if there was another way to get this to work. Ex pattern: [0,0,8,1,a,Vol. ,b,No. ,u,8,v,r,i,(year),j,(month),w,m,x,01,y,cm02/03,y,cm04/05,y,cm06/07/08] Kate Butler Technology Librarian Rodgers Memorial Library (Hudson, NH) http://www.rodgerslibrary.org/
