Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Auto Renew Feature
Hi Elizabeth, The Extended, Normal and Shrt fields for the duration rule all define a loan period. They can be set to different values, and at checkout the system will match up the Loan Duration field from the item to Shrt, Normal, or Extended in the duration rule to choose the proper loan period. It doesn't look like you use different durations in the same rule since your values are all the same. Many systems don't make use of them due to the added complexity. The settings in those fields won't affect whether your autorenewals are working or not. I would suggest checking your Circulation Policies to make sure that duration rule is being used. Also, looking at your action trigger, I see the granularity is set to "auto". I would also check with your system manager to make sure that there is a cron job that will process action triggers with "auto" set as the granularity. Here's a page from the docs about processing action triggers: http://docs.evergreen-ils.org/3.2/_processing_action_triggers.html Hope this is helpful. -Michele -- Michele M. Morgan, Technical Support Analyst North of Boston Library Exchange, Danvers Massachusetts mmor...@noblenet.org On Mon, Dec 9, 2019 at 1:39 PM Elizabeth Davis wrote: > Hi, > > > > I have a question regarding the auto renewals. I set it up and I thought > it would work, but I seem to be missing something. > > > > I attached my circulation duration rule and trigger. > > > > Can anyone explain what Extended, Normal, and Shrt are in the Circulation > Duration Rule are? > > > > Elizabeth > > > > > > *From:* Open-ils-general [mailto: > open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] *On Behalf Of *Aubrey > Area Library > *Sent:* Thursday, November 21, 2019 11:39 AM > *To:* Evergreen Discussion Group < > open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.org> > *Subject:* Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Auto Renew Feature > > > > Haha Wong picture. > > > > On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 10:38 AM Aubrey Area Library < > aubreyarealibr...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Elizabeth > > > > You need to create new circulation duration rules and then change the > circulation policies. Attached is a photo of on of our duration rules. > > > > On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 10:31 AM Elizabeth Davis > wrote: > > This has been so helpful. Thank you everyone. > > > > I’m setting up testing today and the only thing I’m not see is how to set > when the auto renew happens. I’m assuming that’s in the circulation policy? > > > > Elizabeth > > > > *From:* Open-ils-general [mailto: > open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] *On Behalf Of *Morgan, > Michele > *Sent:* Thursday, November 21, 2019 11:19 AM > *To:* Evergreen Discussion Group < > open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.org> > *Subject:* Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Auto Renew Feature > > > > This is a great discussion! > > Thought I'd share how we implemented autorenewals in NOBLE: > > A Library can opt in to autorenewal. Only their own items checked out at > their own library will be autorenewable. Network transfers are not > autorenewable. > > Autorenewal processing happens the morning the items are due so patrons > don't lose any time from their loan period. > > Our autorenewal action trigger uses a custom filter so that it only runs > for the libraries who have opted in, and does not attempt to process > autorenewals for checkouts that are not renewable at all. > > When a library opts in, and chooses a start date, we adjust their duration > rules to set the number of allowed autorenewals equal to the number of > allowed renewals. If a duration rule has zero allowed renewals, we don't > set a value for allowed autorenewals. This allows the action trigger filter > mentioned above the skip them. > > To avoid the transition issue with new checkouts vs. existing checkouts, > we update open circulations for the opting in library which are due on the > start date and beyond to set the autorenewal remaining field equal to the > renewal remaining field. In that way, items that were checked out prior to > the rule change will be eligible to autorenew. > > Feedback has been positive, though we have adjusted the notice language a > few times to make it less confusing. > > Hope this is helpful! > > -Michele > > -- > > Michele M. Morgan, Technical Support Analyst > > North of Boston Library Exchange, Danvers Massachusetts > > mmor...@noblenet.org > > > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 9:52 AM Forrest, Stuart > wrote: > > Hi > > > > We are a library system that is part of a consortium (SCLEN
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Auto Renew Feature
Thank you! I forgot about Action Triggers. Elizabeth From: Open-ils-general [mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Aubrey Area Library Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2019 11:51 AM To: Evergreen Discussion Group Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Auto Renew Feature I just reread your question. The circulation duration rules control how many times the item can auto renew. To turn it on is in the in the Notifications/Actions Triggers tab under Local Administration. Should be triggers for Autorenew and the notification, AutorenewNotify, that you can clone. Apologies for the back-to-back messages. On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 10:39 AM Aubrey Area Library mailto:aubreyarealibr...@gmail.com>> wrote: Haha Wong picture. On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 10:38 AM Aubrey Area Library mailto:aubreyarealibr...@gmail.com>> wrote: Elizabeth You need to create new circulation duration rules and then change the circulation policies. Attached is a photo of on of our duration rules. On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 10:31 AM Elizabeth Davis mailto:eda...@albright.org>> wrote: This has been so helpful. Thank you everyone. I’m setting up testing today and the only thing I’m not see is how to set when the auto renew happens. I’m assuming that’s in the circulation policy? Elizabeth From: Open-ils-general [mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org<mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org>] On Behalf Of Morgan, Michele Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2019 11:19 AM To: Evergreen Discussion Group mailto:open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.org>> Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Auto Renew Feature This is a great discussion! Thought I'd share how we implemented autorenewals in NOBLE: A Library can opt in to autorenewal. Only their own items checked out at their own library will be autorenewable. Network transfers are not autorenewable. Autorenewal processing happens the morning the items are due so patrons don't lose any time from their loan period. Our autorenewal action trigger uses a custom filter so that it only runs for the libraries who have opted in, and does not attempt to process autorenewals for checkouts that are not renewable at all. When a library opts in, and chooses a start date, we adjust their duration rules to set the number of allowed autorenewals equal to the number of allowed renewals. If a duration rule has zero allowed renewals, we don't set a value for allowed autorenewals. This allows the action trigger filter mentioned above the skip them. To avoid the transition issue with new checkouts vs. existing checkouts, we update open circulations for the opting in library which are due on the start date and beyond to set the autorenewal remaining field equal to the renewal remaining field. In that way, items that were checked out prior to the rule change will be eligible to autorenew. Feedback has been positive, though we have adjusted the notice language a few times to make it less confusing. Hope this is helpful! -Michele -- Michele M. Morgan, Technical Support Analyst North of Boston Library Exchange, Danvers Massachusetts mmor...@noblenet.org<mailto:mmor...@noblenet.org> On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 9:52 AM Forrest, Stuart mailto:sforr...@bcgov.net>> wrote: Hi We are a library system that is part of a consortium (SCLENDS) and at the moment the only system that is using auto-renewal and this is what we have found so far. 1. The three-day notice will still go out reminding patrons there books are due. (Our patrons see this as just a reminder) 2. Auto-renewal happens 1 day before the books are due and the appropriate auto-renewal notice goes out then. 3. An item won’t auto-renew if one of the following is true. a. The item is required for a hold b. Patrons' account has expired while they had the item checked out c.Fines have reached the maximum allowed d. Maximum auto-renewals have been reached. 4. The auto-renewal notice will give a reason if the process failed referencing those case for example mentioned above. 5. Let's say you pick a start date of 1st of December then anything that is checked out before this date will NOT auto-renew. Anything checked out on or after this date WILL. Eventually, of course, all items will auto-renew, we worked out that should take about 9 weeks from the start date. 6. We decided to have the same amount of auto-renewals as hard renewals to avoid less confusion for the patrons. 7. If you have any items that checkout for less than 8 hours and have 0 renewals this can confusing, but Equinox found a workaround for us. 8. If a patron from say Beaufort (BCL) comes to Calhoun and checks out a book at one of your libraries, that book will auto-r
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Auto Renew Feature
I just reread your question. The circulation duration rules control how many times the item can auto renew. To turn it on is in the in the Notifications/Actions Triggers tab under Local Administration. Should be triggers for Autorenew and the notification, AutorenewNotify, that you can clone. Apologies for the back-to-back messages. On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 10:39 AM Aubrey Area Library < aubreyarealibr...@gmail.com> wrote: > Haha Wong picture. > > On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 10:38 AM Aubrey Area Library < > aubreyarealibr...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Elizabeth >> >> You need to create new circulation duration rules and then change the >> circulation policies. Attached is a photo of on of our duration rules. >> >> On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 10:31 AM Elizabeth Davis >> wrote: >> >>> This has been so helpful. Thank you everyone. >>> >>> >>> >>> I’m setting up testing today and the only thing I’m not see is how to >>> set when the auto renew happens. I’m assuming that’s in the circulation >>> policy? >>> >>> >>> >>> Elizabeth >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* Open-ils-general [mailto: >>> open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] *On Behalf Of *Morgan, >>> Michele >>> *Sent:* Thursday, November 21, 2019 11:19 AM >>> *To:* Evergreen Discussion Group < >>> open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.org> >>> *Subject:* Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Auto Renew Feature >>> >>> >>> >>> This is a great discussion! >>> >>> Thought I'd share how we implemented autorenewals in NOBLE: >>> >>> A Library can opt in to autorenewal. Only their own items checked out at >>> their own library will be autorenewable. Network transfers are not >>> autorenewable. >>> >>> Autorenewal processing happens the morning the items are due so patrons >>> don't lose any time from their loan period. >>> >>> Our autorenewal action trigger uses a custom filter so that it only runs >>> for the libraries who have opted in, and does not attempt to process >>> autorenewals for checkouts that are not renewable at all. >>> >>> When a library opts in, and chooses a start date, we adjust their >>> duration rules to set the number of allowed autorenewals equal to the >>> number of allowed renewals. If a duration rule has zero allowed renewals, >>> we don't set a value for allowed autorenewals. This allows the action >>> trigger filter mentioned above the skip them. >>> >>> To avoid the transition issue with new checkouts vs. existing checkouts, >>> we update open circulations for the opting in library which are due on the >>> start date and beyond to set the autorenewal remaining field equal to the >>> renewal remaining field. In that way, items that were checked out prior to >>> the rule change will be eligible to autorenew. >>> >>> Feedback has been positive, though we have adjusted the notice language >>> a few times to make it less confusing. >>> >>> Hope this is helpful! >>> >>> -Michele >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Michele M. Morgan, Technical Support Analyst >>> >>> North of Boston Library Exchange, Danvers Massachusetts >>> >>> mmor...@noblenet.org >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 9:52 AM Forrest, Stuart >>> wrote: >>> >>> Hi >>> >>> >>> >>> We are a library system that is part of a consortium (SCLENDS) and at >>> the moment the only system that is using auto-renewal and this is what we >>> have found so far. >>> >>> >>> >>> 1. The three-day notice will still go out reminding >>> patrons there books are due. (Our patrons see this as just a reminder) >>> >>> 2. Auto-renewal happens 1 day before the books are due >>> and the appropriate auto-renewal notice goes out then. >>> >>> 3. An item won’t auto-renew if one of the following is >>> true. >>> >>> a. The item is required for a hold >>> >>> b. Patrons' account has expired while they had the item >>> checked out >>> >>> c.Fines have reached the maximum allowed >>> >>> d. Maximum auto-renewals have
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Auto Renew Feature
Haha Wong picture. On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 10:38 AM Aubrey Area Library < aubreyarealibr...@gmail.com> wrote: > Elizabeth > > You need to create new circulation duration rules and then change the > circulation policies. Attached is a photo of on of our duration rules. > > On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 10:31 AM Elizabeth Davis > wrote: > >> This has been so helpful. Thank you everyone. >> >> >> >> I’m setting up testing today and the only thing I’m not see is how to set >> when the auto renew happens. I’m assuming that’s in the circulation policy? >> >> >> >> Elizabeth >> >> >> >> *From:* Open-ils-general [mailto: >> open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] *On Behalf Of *Morgan, >> Michele >> *Sent:* Thursday, November 21, 2019 11:19 AM >> *To:* Evergreen Discussion Group < >> open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.org> >> *Subject:* Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Auto Renew Feature >> >> >> >> This is a great discussion! >> >> Thought I'd share how we implemented autorenewals in NOBLE: >> >> A Library can opt in to autorenewal. Only their own items checked out at >> their own library will be autorenewable. Network transfers are not >> autorenewable. >> >> Autorenewal processing happens the morning the items are due so patrons >> don't lose any time from their loan period. >> >> Our autorenewal action trigger uses a custom filter so that it only runs >> for the libraries who have opted in, and does not attempt to process >> autorenewals for checkouts that are not renewable at all. >> >> When a library opts in, and chooses a start date, we adjust their >> duration rules to set the number of allowed autorenewals equal to the >> number of allowed renewals. If a duration rule has zero allowed renewals, >> we don't set a value for allowed autorenewals. This allows the action >> trigger filter mentioned above the skip them. >> >> To avoid the transition issue with new checkouts vs. existing checkouts, >> we update open circulations for the opting in library which are due on the >> start date and beyond to set the autorenewal remaining field equal to the >> renewal remaining field. In that way, items that were checked out prior to >> the rule change will be eligible to autorenew. >> >> Feedback has been positive, though we have adjusted the notice language a >> few times to make it less confusing. >> >> Hope this is helpful! >> >> -Michele >> >> -- >> >> Michele M. Morgan, Technical Support Analyst >> >> North of Boston Library Exchange, Danvers Massachusetts >> >> mmor...@noblenet.org >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 9:52 AM Forrest, Stuart >> wrote: >> >> Hi >> >> >> >> We are a library system that is part of a consortium (SCLENDS) and at the >> moment the only system that is using auto-renewal and this is what we have >> found so far. >> >> >> >> 1. The three-day notice will still go out reminding >> patrons there books are due. (Our patrons see this as just a reminder) >> >> 2. Auto-renewal happens 1 day before the books are due and >> the appropriate auto-renewal notice goes out then. >> >> 3. An item won’t auto-renew if one of the following is >> true. >> >> a. The item is required for a hold >> >> b. Patrons' account has expired while they had the item >> checked out >> >> c.Fines have reached the maximum allowed >> >> d. Maximum auto-renewals have been reached. >> >> 4. The auto-renewal notice will give a reason if the >> process failed referencing those case for example mentioned above. >> >> 5. Let's say you pick a start date of 1st of December then >> anything that is checked out before this date will NOT auto-renew. Anything >> checked out on or after this date WILL. Eventually, of course, all items >> will auto-renew, we worked out that should take about 9 weeks from the >> start date. >> >> 6. We decided to have the same amount of auto-renewals as >> hard renewals to avoid less confusion for the patrons. >> >> 7. If you have any items that checkout for less than 8 >> hours and have 0 renewals this can confusing, but Equinox found a >> workaround for us. >> >> 8.
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Auto Renew Feature
Elizabeth You need to create new circulation duration rules and then change the circulation policies. Attached is a photo of on of our duration rules. On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 10:31 AM Elizabeth Davis wrote: > This has been so helpful. Thank you everyone. > > > > I’m setting up testing today and the only thing I’m not see is how to set > when the auto renew happens. I’m assuming that’s in the circulation policy? > > > > Elizabeth > > > > *From:* Open-ils-general [mailto: > open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] *On Behalf Of *Morgan, > Michele > *Sent:* Thursday, November 21, 2019 11:19 AM > *To:* Evergreen Discussion Group < > open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.org> > *Subject:* Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Auto Renew Feature > > > > This is a great discussion! > > Thought I'd share how we implemented autorenewals in NOBLE: > > A Library can opt in to autorenewal. Only their own items checked out at > their own library will be autorenewable. Network transfers are not > autorenewable. > > Autorenewal processing happens the morning the items are due so patrons > don't lose any time from their loan period. > > Our autorenewal action trigger uses a custom filter so that it only runs > for the libraries who have opted in, and does not attempt to process > autorenewals for checkouts that are not renewable at all. > > When a library opts in, and chooses a start date, we adjust their duration > rules to set the number of allowed autorenewals equal to the number of > allowed renewals. If a duration rule has zero allowed renewals, we don't > set a value for allowed autorenewals. This allows the action trigger filter > mentioned above the skip them. > > To avoid the transition issue with new checkouts vs. existing checkouts, > we update open circulations for the opting in library which are due on the > start date and beyond to set the autorenewal remaining field equal to the > renewal remaining field. In that way, items that were checked out prior to > the rule change will be eligible to autorenew. > > Feedback has been positive, though we have adjusted the notice language a > few times to make it less confusing. > > Hope this is helpful! > > -Michele > > -- > > Michele M. Morgan, Technical Support Analyst > > North of Boston Library Exchange, Danvers Massachusetts > > mmor...@noblenet.org > > > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 9:52 AM Forrest, Stuart > wrote: > > Hi > > > > We are a library system that is part of a consortium (SCLENDS) and at the > moment the only system that is using auto-renewal and this is what we have > found so far. > > > > 1. The three-day notice will still go out reminding patrons > there books are due. (Our patrons see this as just a reminder) > > 2. Auto-renewal happens 1 day before the books are due and > the appropriate auto-renewal notice goes out then. > > 3. An item won’t auto-renew if one of the following is true. > > a. The item is required for a hold > > b. Patrons' account has expired while they had the item > checked out > > c.Fines have reached the maximum allowed > > d. Maximum auto-renewals have been reached. > > 4. The auto-renewal notice will give a reason if the > process failed referencing those case for example mentioned above. > > 5. Let's say you pick a start date of 1st of December then > anything that is checked out before this date will NOT auto-renew. Anything > checked out on or after this date WILL. Eventually, of course, all items > will auto-renew, we worked out that should take about 9 weeks from the > start date. > > 6. We decided to have the same amount of auto-renewals as > hard renewals to avoid less confusion for the patrons. > > 7. If you have any items that checkout for less than 8 > hours and have 0 renewals this can confusing, but Equinox found a > workaround for us. > > 8. If a patron from say Beaufort (BCL) comes to Calhoun and > checks out a book at one of your libraries, that book will auto-renew also. > On the other hand, if you transit an item to an SCLENDS member who is not > doing auto-renewals that item will not auto-renew. > > > > If you have any questions, please let me know. > > > > Stuart > > > > > -- > > Stuart Forrest, Library IT Manager/Analyst Beaufort County Library System > > 311 Scott Street, Beaufort, SC 29902 >
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Auto Renew Feature
Thanks. Can you show us exactly how to set that up? _ Chris Maas (207) 924-4553 On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 11:30 AM Elizabeth Davis wrote: > This has been so helpful. Thank you everyone. > > > > I’m setting up testing today and the only thing I’m not see is how to set > when the auto renew happens. I’m assuming that’s in the circulation policy? > > > > Elizabeth > > > > *From:* Open-ils-general [mailto: > open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] *On Behalf Of *Morgan, > Michele > *Sent:* Thursday, November 21, 2019 11:19 AM > *To:* Evergreen Discussion Group < > open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.org> > *Subject:* Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Auto Renew Feature > > > > This is a great discussion! > > Thought I'd share how we implemented autorenewals in NOBLE: > > A Library can opt in to autorenewal. Only their own items checked out at > their own library will be autorenewable. Network transfers are not > autorenewable. > > Autorenewal processing happens the morning the items are due so patrons > don't lose any time from their loan period. > > Our autorenewal action trigger uses a custom filter so that it only runs > for the libraries who have opted in, and does not attempt to process > autorenewals for checkouts that are not renewable at all. > > When a library opts in, and chooses a start date, we adjust their duration > rules to set the number of allowed autorenewals equal to the number of > allowed renewals. If a duration rule has zero allowed renewals, we don't > set a value for allowed autorenewals. This allows the action trigger filter > mentioned above the skip them. > > To avoid the transition issue with new checkouts vs. existing checkouts, > we update open circulations for the opting in library which are due on the > start date and beyond to set the autorenewal remaining field equal to the > renewal remaining field. In that way, items that were checked out prior to > the rule change will be eligible to autorenew. > > Feedback has been positive, though we have adjusted the notice language a > few times to make it less confusing. > > Hope this is helpful! > > -Michele > > -- > > Michele M. Morgan, Technical Support Analyst > > North of Boston Library Exchange, Danvers Massachusetts > > mmor...@noblenet.org > > > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 9:52 AM Forrest, Stuart > wrote: > > Hi > > > > We are a library system that is part of a consortium (SCLENDS) and at the > moment the only system that is using auto-renewal and this is what we have > found so far. > > > > 1. The three-day notice will still go out reminding patrons > there books are due. (Our patrons see this as just a reminder) > > 2. Auto-renewal happens 1 day before the books are due and > the appropriate auto-renewal notice goes out then. > > 3. An item won’t auto-renew if one of the following is true. > > a. The item is required for a hold > > b. Patrons' account has expired while they had the item > checked out > > c.Fines have reached the maximum allowed > > d. Maximum auto-renewals have been reached. > > 4. The auto-renewal notice will give a reason if the > process failed referencing those case for example mentioned above. > > 5. Let's say you pick a start date of 1st of December then > anything that is checked out before this date will NOT auto-renew. Anything > checked out on or after this date WILL. Eventually, of course, all items > will auto-renew, we worked out that should take about 9 weeks from the > start date. > > 6. We decided to have the same amount of auto-renewals as > hard renewals to avoid less confusion for the patrons. > > 7. If you have any items that checkout for less than 8 > hours and have 0 renewals this can confusing, but Equinox found a > workaround for us. > > 8. If a patron from say Beaufort (BCL) comes to Calhoun and > checks out a book at one of your libraries, that book will auto-renew also. > On the other hand, if you transit an item to an SCLENDS member who is not > doing auto-renewals that item will not auto-renew. > > > > If you have any questions, please let me know. > > > > Stuart > > > > > -- > > Stuart Forrest, Library IT Manager/Analyst Beaufort County Library System > > 311 Scott Street, Beaufort, SC 29902 > > 843 255 6450 > > sforr...@bcgov.net > > beauf
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Auto Renew Feature
This has been so helpful. Thank you everyone. I’m setting up testing today and the only thing I’m not see is how to set when the auto renew happens. I’m assuming that’s in the circulation policy? Elizabeth From: Open-ils-general [mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Morgan, Michele Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2019 11:19 AM To: Evergreen Discussion Group Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Auto Renew Feature This is a great discussion! Thought I'd share how we implemented autorenewals in NOBLE: A Library can opt in to autorenewal. Only their own items checked out at their own library will be autorenewable. Network transfers are not autorenewable. Autorenewal processing happens the morning the items are due so patrons don't lose any time from their loan period. Our autorenewal action trigger uses a custom filter so that it only runs for the libraries who have opted in, and does not attempt to process autorenewals for checkouts that are not renewable at all. When a library opts in, and chooses a start date, we adjust their duration rules to set the number of allowed autorenewals equal to the number of allowed renewals. If a duration rule has zero allowed renewals, we don't set a value for allowed autorenewals. This allows the action trigger filter mentioned above the skip them. To avoid the transition issue with new checkouts vs. existing checkouts, we update open circulations for the opting in library which are due on the start date and beyond to set the autorenewal remaining field equal to the renewal remaining field. In that way, items that were checked out prior to the rule change will be eligible to autorenew. Feedback has been positive, though we have adjusted the notice language a few times to make it less confusing. Hope this is helpful! -Michele -- Michele M. Morgan, Technical Support Analyst North of Boston Library Exchange, Danvers Massachusetts mmor...@noblenet.org<mailto:mmor...@noblenet.org> On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 9:52 AM Forrest, Stuart mailto:sforr...@bcgov.net>> wrote: Hi We are a library system that is part of a consortium (SCLENDS) and at the moment the only system that is using auto-renewal and this is what we have found so far. 1. The three-day notice will still go out reminding patrons there books are due. (Our patrons see this as just a reminder) 2. Auto-renewal happens 1 day before the books are due and the appropriate auto-renewal notice goes out then. 3. An item won’t auto-renew if one of the following is true. a. The item is required for a hold b. Patrons' account has expired while they had the item checked out c.Fines have reached the maximum allowed d. Maximum auto-renewals have been reached. 4. The auto-renewal notice will give a reason if the process failed referencing those case for example mentioned above. 5. Let's say you pick a start date of 1st of December then anything that is checked out before this date will NOT auto-renew. Anything checked out on or after this date WILL. Eventually, of course, all items will auto-renew, we worked out that should take about 9 weeks from the start date. 6. We decided to have the same amount of auto-renewals as hard renewals to avoid less confusion for the patrons. 7. If you have any items that checkout for less than 8 hours and have 0 renewals this can confusing, but Equinox found a workaround for us. 8. If a patron from say Beaufort (BCL) comes to Calhoun and checks out a book at one of your libraries, that book will auto-renew also. On the other hand, if you transit an item to an SCLENDS member who is not doing auto-renewals that item will not auto-renew. If you have any questions, please let me know. Stuart -- Stuart Forrest, Library IT Manager/Analyst Beaufort County Library System 311 Scott Street, Beaufort, SC 29902 843 255 6450 sforr...@bcgov.net<mailto:sforr...@bcgov.net> beaufortcountylibrary.org<http://beaufortcountylibrary.org> From: Open-ils-general mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org>> On Behalf Of Diane Disbro Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2019 9:39 AM To: Evergreen Discussion Group mailto:open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.org>> Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Auto Renew Feature [EXTERNAL EMAIL] Please report any suspicious attachments, links, or requests for sensitive information to the Beaufort County IT Division at helpd...@bcgov.net<mailto:helpd...@bcgov.net> or to 843-255-7000. I really appreciate this discussion! I want anecdotal information to share with my administration as we consider auto renewal. Thank you. Diane Disbro Pronouns: she/her Branch Manager/Circulati
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Auto Renew Feature
This is a great discussion! Thought I'd share how we implemented autorenewals in NOBLE: A Library can opt in to autorenewal. Only their own items checked out at their own library will be autorenewable. Network transfers are not autorenewable. Autorenewal processing happens the morning the items are due so patrons don't lose any time from their loan period. Our autorenewal action trigger uses a custom filter so that it only runs for the libraries who have opted in, and does not attempt to process autorenewals for checkouts that are not renewable at all. When a library opts in, and chooses a start date, we adjust their duration rules to set the number of allowed autorenewals equal to the number of allowed renewals. If a duration rule has zero allowed renewals, we don't set a value for allowed autorenewals. This allows the action trigger filter mentioned above the skip them. To avoid the transition issue with new checkouts vs. existing checkouts, we update open circulations for the opting in library which are due on the start date and beyond to set the autorenewal remaining field equal to the renewal remaining field. In that way, items that were checked out prior to the rule change will be eligible to autorenew. Feedback has been positive, though we have adjusted the notice language a few times to make it less confusing. Hope this is helpful! -Michele -- Michele M. Morgan, Technical Support Analyst North of Boston Library Exchange, Danvers Massachusetts mmor...@noblenet.org On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 9:52 AM Forrest, Stuart wrote: > Hi > > > > We are a library system that is part of a consortium (SCLENDS) and at the > moment the only system that is using auto-renewal and this is what we have > found so far. > > > > 1. The three-day notice will still go out reminding patrons > there books are due. (Our patrons see this as just a reminder) > > 2. Auto-renewal happens 1 day before the books are due and > the appropriate auto-renewal notice goes out then. > > 3. An item won’t auto-renew if one of the following is true. > > a. The item is required for a hold > > b. Patrons' account has expired while they had the item > checked out > > c.Fines have reached the maximum allowed > > d. Maximum auto-renewals have been reached. > > 4. The auto-renewal notice will give a reason if the > process failed referencing those case for example mentioned above. > > 5. Let's say you pick a start date of 1st of December then > anything that is checked out before this date will NOT auto-renew. Anything > checked out on or after this date WILL. Eventually, of course, all items > will auto-renew, we worked out that should take about 9 weeks from the > start date. > > 6. We decided to have the same amount of auto-renewals as > hard renewals to avoid less confusion for the patrons. > > 7. If you have any items that checkout for less than 8 > hours and have 0 renewals this can confusing, but Equinox found a > workaround for us. > > 8. If a patron from say Beaufort (BCL) comes to Calhoun and > checks out a book at one of your libraries, that book will auto-renew also. > On the other hand, if you transit an item to an SCLENDS member who is not > doing auto-renewals that item will not auto-renew. > > > > If you have any questions, please let me know. > > > > Stuart > > > > > -- > > Stuart Forrest, Library IT Manager/Analyst Beaufort County Library System > > 311 Scott Street, Beaufort, SC 29902 > > 843 255 6450 > > sforr...@bcgov.net > > beaufortcountylibrary.org > > > > *From:* Open-ils-general < > open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org> *On Behalf Of *Diane > Disbro > *Sent:* Thursday, November 21, 2019 9:39 AM > *To:* Evergreen Discussion Group < > open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.org> > *Subject:* Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Auto Renew Feature > > > > [EXTERNAL EMAIL] Please report any suspicious attachments, links, or > requests for sensitive information to the Beaufort County IT Division at > helpd...@bcgov.net or to 843-255-7000. > > I really appreciate this discussion! I want anecdotal information to share > with my administration as we consider auto renewal. > > > > Thank you. > > Diane Disbro > > Pronouns: she/her > > Branch Manager/Circulation Coordinator > > Union Branch > > Scenic Regional Library > > 251 Union Plaza Drive > > Union, MO 63084 > > (636) 583-3224 > > ddis...@scenicre
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Stuart For my reports I just use Circulation-->AutoRenewal and use a boolean in the display field. On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 9:54 AM Forrest, Stuart wrote: > Jordan > > > > That is something I didn’t think but it is certainly a statistic to be > aware of. What parameter would I use to separate them from ordinary > renewals/circulations. > > > > Thanks > > Stuart > > > > > -- > > Stuart Forrest, Library IT Manager/Analyst Beaufort County Library System > > 311 Scott Street, Beaufort, SC 29902 > > 843 255 6450 > > sforr...@bcgov.net > > beaufortcountylibrary.org > > > > *From:* Open-ils-general < > open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org> *On Behalf Of *Aubrey > Area Library > *Sent:* Thursday, November 21, 2019 10:19 AM > *To:* Evergreen Discussion Group < > open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.org> > *Subject:* Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Auto Renew Feature > > > > [EXTERNAL EMAIL] Please report any suspicious attachments, links, or > requests for sensitive information to the Beaufort County IT Division at > helpd...@bcgov.net or to 843-255-7000. > > On the reporting side of things we expected our circulation to increase > dramatically. We saw a 40% increase in circulation numbers with auto > renewal for FY19 and are expecting that percentage to rise to 50%(ish) for > FY20 as it will be our first full year with auto renewal and patrons have > become comfortable with/expect it. > > > > If staff have circulation reports that they have created and run regularly > they will need to modify them to display auto renewal circs if they want to > track that separately. > > > > Jordan > > > > On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 9:08 AM Frasur, Ruth > wrote: > > Stuart, > > > > This concise description of the behavior in your system is very helpful > and a good framework for communicating with both staff and patrons. > > > > *Ruth Frasur* > > *Evergreen Support and Development Administrator* > > Indiana State Library > > 140 N Senate Ave > > Indianapolis, IN 46204 > > (317) 460-7556 > > > ---------- > > *From:* Open-ils-general < > open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org> on behalf of Forrest, > Stuart > *Sent:* Thursday, November 21, 2019 9:44 AM > *To:* Evergreen Discussion Group < > open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.org> > *Subject:* Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Auto Renew Feature > > > > This is an EXTERNAL email. Exercise caution. DO NOT open attachments > or click links from unknown senders or unexpected email. > -- > > Hi > > > > We are a library system that is part of a consortium (SCLENDS) and at the > moment the only system that is using auto-renewal and this is what we have > found so far. > > > > 1. The three-day notice will still go out reminding patrons > there books are due. (Our patrons see this as just a reminder) > > 2. Auto-renewal happens 1 day before the books are due and > the appropriate auto-renewal notice goes out then. > > 3. An item won’t auto-renew if one of the following is true. > > a. The item is required for a hold > > b. Patrons' account has expired while they had the item > checked out > > c.Fines have reached the maximum allowed > > d. Maximum auto-renewals have been reached. > > 4. The auto-renewal notice will give a reason if the > process failed referencing those case for example mentioned above. > > 5. Let's say you pick a start date of 1st of December then > anything that is checked out before this date will NOT auto-renew. Anything > checked out on or after this date WILL. Eventually, of course, all items > will auto-renew, we worked out that should take about 9 weeks from the > start date. > > 6. We decided to have the same amount of auto-renewals as > hard renewals to avoid less confusion for the patrons. > > 7. If you have any items that checkout for less than 8 > hours and have 0 renewals this can confusing, but Equinox found a > workaround for us. > > 8. If a patron from say Beaufort (BCL) comes to Calhoun and > checks out a book at one of your libraries, that book will auto-renew also. > On the other hand, if you transit an item to an SCLENDS member who is not > doing auto-renewals that item will not auto-ren
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Jordan That is something I didn’t think but it is certainly a statistic to be aware of. What parameter would I use to separate them from ordinary renewals/circulations. Thanks Stuart -- Stuart Forrest, Library IT Manager/Analyst Beaufort County Library System 311 Scott Street, Beaufort, SC 29902 843 255 6450 sforr...@bcgov.net beaufortcountylibrary.org From: Open-ils-general On Behalf Of Aubrey Area Library Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2019 10:19 AM To: Evergreen Discussion Group Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Auto Renew Feature [EXTERNAL EMAIL] Please report any suspicious attachments, links, or requests for sensitive information to the Beaufort County IT Division at helpd...@bcgov.net<mailto:helpd...@bcgov.net> or to 843-255-7000. On the reporting side of things we expected our circulation to increase dramatically. We saw a 40% increase in circulation numbers with auto renewal for FY19 and are expecting that percentage to rise to 50%(ish) for FY20 as it will be our first full year with auto renewal and patrons have become comfortable with/expect it. If staff have circulation reports that they have created and run regularly they will need to modify them to display auto renewal circs if they want to track that separately. Jordan On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 9:08 AM Frasur, Ruth mailto:rfra...@library.in.gov>> wrote: Stuart, This concise description of the behavior in your system is very helpful and a good framework for communicating with both staff and patrons. Ruth Frasur Evergreen Support and Development Administrator Indiana State Library 140 N Senate Ave Indianapolis, IN 46204 (317) 460-7556 From: Open-ils-general mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org>> on behalf of Forrest, Stuart mailto:sforr...@bcgov.net>> Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2019 9:44 AM To: Evergreen Discussion Group mailto:open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.org>> Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Auto Renew Feature This is an EXTERNAL email. Exercise caution. DO NOT open attachments or click links from unknown senders or unexpected email. Hi We are a library system that is part of a consortium (SCLENDS) and at the moment the only system that is using auto-renewal and this is what we have found so far. 1. The three-day notice will still go out reminding patrons there books are due. (Our patrons see this as just a reminder) 2. Auto-renewal happens 1 day before the books are due and the appropriate auto-renewal notice goes out then. 3. An item won’t auto-renew if one of the following is true. a. The item is required for a hold b. Patrons' account has expired while they had the item checked out c.Fines have reached the maximum allowed d. Maximum auto-renewals have been reached. 4. The auto-renewal notice will give a reason if the process failed referencing those case for example mentioned above. 5. Let's say you pick a start date of 1st of December then anything that is checked out before this date will NOT auto-renew. Anything checked out on or after this date WILL. Eventually, of course, all items will auto-renew, we worked out that should take about 9 weeks from the start date. 6. We decided to have the same amount of auto-renewals as hard renewals to avoid less confusion for the patrons. 7. If you have any items that checkout for less than 8 hours and have 0 renewals this can confusing, but Equinox found a workaround for us. 8. If a patron from say Beaufort (BCL) comes to Calhoun and checks out a book at one of your libraries, that book will auto-renew also. On the other hand, if you transit an item to an SCLENDS member who is not doing auto-renewals that item will not auto-renew. If you have any questions, please let me know. Stuart -- Stuart Forrest, Library IT Manager/Analyst Beaufort County Library System 311 Scott Street, Beaufort, SC 29902 843 255 6450 sforr...@bcgov.net<mailto:sforr...@bcgov.net> beaufortcountylibrary.org<https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=http%3a%2f%2fbeaufortcountylibrary.org&c=E,1,8xFIaLnFwRbsGAylmqeX1Bo46aUGRPScDivAj6rr-JpBPDKB5M9NcdZAePHBLqidJHt0nKBSosXovLPRUwWcfO8lVsS1ElRNiZ_4ct_xHT7X&typo=1> From: Open-ils-general mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org>> On Behalf Of Diane Disbro Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2019 9:39 AM To: Evergreen Discussion Group mailto:open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.org>> Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Auto Renew Feature [EXTERNAL EMAIL] Please report any susp
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On the reporting side of things we expected our circulation to increase dramatically. We saw a 40% increase in circulation numbers with auto renewal for FY19 and are expecting that percentage to rise to 50%(ish) for FY20 as it will be our first full year with auto renewal and patrons have become comfortable with/expect it. If staff have circulation reports that they have created and run regularly they will need to modify them to display auto renewal circs if they want to track that separately. Jordan On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 9:08 AM Frasur, Ruth wrote: > Stuart, > > This concise description of the behavior in your system is very helpful > and a good framework for communicating with both staff and patrons. > > *Ruth Frasur* > *Evergreen Support and Development Administrator* > Indiana State Library > 140 N Senate Ave > Indianapolis, IN 46204 > (317) 460-7556 > > -- > *From:* Open-ils-general < > open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org> on behalf of Forrest, > Stuart > *Sent:* Thursday, November 21, 2019 9:44 AM > *To:* Evergreen Discussion Group < > open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.org> > *Subject:* Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Auto Renew Feature > > This is an EXTERNAL email. Exercise caution. DO NOT open attachments > or click links from unknown senders or unexpected email. > -- > > Hi > > > > We are a library system that is part of a consortium (SCLENDS) and at the > moment the only system that is using auto-renewal and this is what we have > found so far. > > > > 1. The three-day notice will still go out reminding patrons > there books are due. (Our patrons see this as just a reminder) > > 2. Auto-renewal happens 1 day before the books are due and > the appropriate auto-renewal notice goes out then. > > 3. An item won’t auto-renew if one of the following is true. > > a. The item is required for a hold > > b. Patrons' account has expired while they had the item > checked out > > c.Fines have reached the maximum allowed > > d. Maximum auto-renewals have been reached. > > 4. The auto-renewal notice will give a reason if the > process failed referencing those case for example mentioned above. > > 5. Let's say you pick a start date of 1st of December then > anything that is checked out before this date will NOT auto-renew. Anything > checked out on or after this date WILL. Eventually, of course, all items > will auto-renew, we worked out that should take about 9 weeks from the > start date. > > 6. We decided to have the same amount of auto-renewals as > hard renewals to avoid less confusion for the patrons. > > 7. If you have any items that checkout for less than 8 > hours and have 0 renewals this can confusing, but Equinox found a > workaround for us. > > 8. If a patron from say Beaufort (BCL) comes to Calhoun and > checks out a book at one of your libraries, that book will auto-renew also. > On the other hand, if you transit an item to an SCLENDS member who is not > doing auto-renewals that item will not auto-renew. > > > > If you have any questions, please let me know. > > > > Stuart > > > > > -- > > Stuart Forrest, Library IT Manager/Analyst Beaufort County Library System > > 311 Scott Street, Beaufort, SC 29902 > > 843 255 6450 > > sforr...@bcgov.net > > beaufortcountylibrary.org > > > > *From:* Open-ils-general < > open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org> *On Behalf Of *Diane > Disbro > *Sent:* Thursday, November 21, 2019 9:39 AM > *To:* Evergreen Discussion Group < > open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.org> > *Subject:* Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Auto Renew Feature > > > > [EXTERNAL EMAIL] Please report any suspicious attachments, links, or > requests for sensitive information to the Beaufort County IT Division at > helpd...@bcgov.net or to 843-255-7000. > > I really appreciate this discussion! I want anecdotal information to share > with my administration as we consider auto renewal. > > > > Thank you. > > Diane Disbro > > Pronouns: she/her > > Branch Manager/Circulation Coordinator > > Union Branch > > Scenic Regional Library > > 251 Union Plaza Drive > > Union, MO 63084 > > (636) 583-3224 > > ddis...@scenicregional.org > > [image: Image result for librarians rock] > > > > > > > > >
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Stuart, This concise description of the behavior in your system is very helpful and a good framework for communicating with both staff and patrons. Ruth Frasur Evergreen Support and Development Administrator Indiana State Library 140 N Senate Ave Indianapolis, IN 46204 (317) 460-7556 From: Open-ils-general on behalf of Forrest, Stuart Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2019 9:44 AM To: Evergreen Discussion Group Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Auto Renew Feature This is an EXTERNAL email. Exercise caution. DO NOT open attachments or click links from unknown senders or unexpected email. Hi We are a library system that is part of a consortium (SCLENDS) and at the moment the only system that is using auto-renewal and this is what we have found so far. 1. The three-day notice will still go out reminding patrons there books are due. (Our patrons see this as just a reminder) 2. Auto-renewal happens 1 day before the books are due and the appropriate auto-renewal notice goes out then. 3. An item won’t auto-renew if one of the following is true. a. The item is required for a hold b. Patrons' account has expired while they had the item checked out c.Fines have reached the maximum allowed d. Maximum auto-renewals have been reached. 4. The auto-renewal notice will give a reason if the process failed referencing those case for example mentioned above. 5. Let's say you pick a start date of 1st of December then anything that is checked out before this date will NOT auto-renew. Anything checked out on or after this date WILL. Eventually, of course, all items will auto-renew, we worked out that should take about 9 weeks from the start date. 6. We decided to have the same amount of auto-renewals as hard renewals to avoid less confusion for the patrons. 7. If you have any items that checkout for less than 8 hours and have 0 renewals this can confusing, but Equinox found a workaround for us. 8. If a patron from say Beaufort (BCL) comes to Calhoun and checks out a book at one of your libraries, that book will auto-renew also. On the other hand, if you transit an item to an SCLENDS member who is not doing auto-renewals that item will not auto-renew. If you have any questions, please let me know. Stuart -- Stuart Forrest, Library IT Manager/Analyst Beaufort County Library System 311 Scott Street, Beaufort, SC 29902 843 255 6450 sforr...@bcgov.net beaufortcountylibrary.org From: Open-ils-general On Behalf Of Diane Disbro Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2019 9:39 AM To: Evergreen Discussion Group Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Auto Renew Feature [EXTERNAL EMAIL] Please report any suspicious attachments, links, or requests for sensitive information to the Beaufort County IT Division at helpd...@bcgov.net<mailto:helpd...@bcgov.net> or to 843-255-7000. I really appreciate this discussion! I want anecdotal information to share with my administration as we consider auto renewal. Thank you. Diane Disbro Pronouns: she/her Branch Manager/Circulation Coordinator Union Branch Scenic Regional Library 251 Union Plaza Drive Union, MO 63084 (636) 583-3224 ddis...@scenicregional.org<mailto:ddis...@scenicregional.org> [Image result for librarians rock] On Tue, Nov 19, 2019 at 1:57 PM Geoff Sams mailto:gs...@roanoketexas.com>> wrote: I would like to add that if you currently send out pre-due notices that it’s probably ideal to stop those as the auto-renew notifications serve the same purpose in general. Jordan touched on that briefly there, but it was something we dealt with as well and I wanted to state it outright since it could be overlooked. Thanks, Geoff Sams Library Manager Roanoke Public Library 817-491-2691 From: Open-ils-general mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org>> On Behalf Of Elizabeth Davis Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 11:37 AM To: Evergreen Discussion Group mailto:open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.org>> Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Auto Renew Feature Thank you both. This has given us more to talk about and consider. Elizabeth From: Open-ils-general [mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Aubrey Area Library Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 12:29 PM To: Evergreen Discussion Group mailto:open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.org>> Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Auto Renew Feature We also implemented auto renew in late February this year (we are also the other library Geoff mentioned). It was a little rocky at first, being the test library for implementation, but o
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Hi We are a library system that is part of a consortium (SCLENDS) and at the moment the only system that is using auto-renewal and this is what we have found so far. 1. The three-day notice will still go out reminding patrons there books are due. (Our patrons see this as just a reminder) 2. Auto-renewal happens 1 day before the books are due and the appropriate auto-renewal notice goes out then. 3. An item won’t auto-renew if one of the following is true. a. The item is required for a hold b. Patrons' account has expired while they had the item checked out c.Fines have reached the maximum allowed d. Maximum auto-renewals have been reached. 4. The auto-renewal notice will give a reason if the process failed referencing those case for example mentioned above. 5. Let's say you pick a start date of 1st of December then anything that is checked out before this date will NOT auto-renew. Anything checked out on or after this date WILL. Eventually, of course, all items will auto-renew, we worked out that should take about 9 weeks from the start date. 6. We decided to have the same amount of auto-renewals as hard renewals to avoid less confusion for the patrons. 7. If you have any items that checkout for less than 8 hours and have 0 renewals this can confusing, but Equinox found a workaround for us. 8. If a patron from say Beaufort (BCL) comes to Calhoun and checks out a book at one of your libraries, that book will auto-renew also. On the other hand, if you transit an item to an SCLENDS member who is not doing auto-renewals that item will not auto-renew. If you have any questions, please let me know. Stuart -- Stuart Forrest, Library IT Manager/Analyst Beaufort County Library System 311 Scott Street, Beaufort, SC 29902 843 255 6450 sforr...@bcgov.net beaufortcountylibrary.org From: Open-ils-general On Behalf Of Diane Disbro Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2019 9:39 AM To: Evergreen Discussion Group Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Auto Renew Feature [EXTERNAL EMAIL] Please report any suspicious attachments, links, or requests for sensitive information to the Beaufort County IT Division at helpd...@bcgov.net<mailto:helpd...@bcgov.net> or to 843-255-7000. I really appreciate this discussion! I want anecdotal information to share with my administration as we consider auto renewal. Thank you. Diane Disbro Pronouns: she/her Branch Manager/Circulation Coordinator Union Branch Scenic Regional Library 251 Union Plaza Drive Union, MO 63084 (636) 583-3224 ddis...@scenicregional.org<mailto:ddis...@scenicregional.org> [Image result for librarians rock] On Tue, Nov 19, 2019 at 1:57 PM Geoff Sams mailto:gs...@roanoketexas.com>> wrote: I would like to add that if you currently send out pre-due notices that it’s probably ideal to stop those as the auto-renew notifications serve the same purpose in general. Jordan touched on that briefly there, but it was something we dealt with as well and I wanted to state it outright since it could be overlooked. Thanks, Geoff Sams Library Manager Roanoke Public Library 817-491-2691 From: Open-ils-general mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org>> On Behalf Of Elizabeth Davis Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 11:37 AM To: Evergreen Discussion Group mailto:open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.org>> Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Auto Renew Feature Thank you both. This has given us more to talk about and consider. Elizabeth From: Open-ils-general [mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Aubrey Area Library Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 12:29 PM To: Evergreen Discussion Group mailto:open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.org>> Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Auto Renew Feature We also implemented auto renew in late February this year (we are also the other library Geoff mentioned). It was a little rocky at first, being the test library for implementation, but once we worked out the kinks it has been smooth sailing. Overall patrons have been very happy with it though we did have one patron that did not like the fact that the items renewed before their actual due date. Yes, we are also the library Geoff mentioned whose items auto renew before their due date. Thankfully it was resolved after speaking with the patron and explaining renewals, how auto renewal works etc. I have started looking at changes to this as I would prefer for the items to renew on their due date. The setup is what it is due to how courtesy notices are set up. Geoff mentioned the issues with generating notices. For patrons with no email/sms; we tend to just explain to patrons about how auto renewal wo
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Auto Renew Feature
I really appreciate this discussion! I want anecdotal information to share with my administration as we consider auto renewal. Thank you. Diane Disbro Pronouns: she/her Branch Manager/Circulation Coordinator Union Branch Scenic Regional Library 251 Union Plaza Drive Union, MO 63084 (636) 583-3224 ddis...@scenicregional.org [image: Image result for librarians rock] On Tue, Nov 19, 2019 at 1:57 PM Geoff Sams wrote: > I would like to add that if you currently send out pre-due notices that > it’s probably ideal to stop those as the auto-renew notifications serve the > same purpose in general. Jordan touched on that briefly there, but it was > something we dealt with as well and I wanted to state it outright since it > could be overlooked. > > > > Thanks, > > Geoff Sams > > Library Manager > > Roanoke Public Library > > 817-491-2691 > > > > *From:* Open-ils-general < > open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org> *On Behalf Of *Elizabeth > Davis > *Sent:* Tuesday, November 19, 2019 11:37 AM > *To:* Evergreen Discussion Group < > open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.org> > *Subject:* Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Auto Renew Feature > > > > Thank you both. This has given us more to talk about and consider. > > > > Elizabeth > > > > *From:* Open-ils-general [ > mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org > ] *On Behalf Of *Aubrey > Area Library > *Sent:* Tuesday, November 19, 2019 12:29 PM > *To:* Evergreen Discussion Group < > open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.org> > *Subject:* Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Auto Renew Feature > > > > We also implemented auto renew in late February this year (we are also the > other library Geoff mentioned). It was a little rocky at first, being the > test library for implementation, but once we worked out the kinks it has > been smooth sailing. > > > > Overall patrons have been very happy with it though we did have one patron > that did not like the fact that the items renewed before their actual due > date. Yes, we are also the library Geoff mentioned whose items auto renew > before their due date. Thankfully it was resolved after speaking with the > patron and explaining renewals, how auto renewal works etc. I have started > looking at changes to this as I would prefer for the items to renew on > their due date. The setup is what it is due to how courtesy notices are set > up. > > > > Geoff mentioned the issues with generating notices. > > > > For patrons with no email/sms; we tend to just explain to patrons about > how auto renewal works if they ask about it. After a few times it sinks in > and they come to expect it. We do not require email address so, personally, > I look at it as if a patron does not want notifications from the library > that is their choice. Can't force it on them. > > > > We had already taken measures years ago to reduce fines (80% > reduction) so the impact that auto renewal has had is minuscule but as > it was mention if fines are a source of revenue auto renewal may not be a > good fit. > > > > I would echo Geoffs recommendations for implementation. It was something > that I overlooked and has been a thorn in my side since. Not only to give > patrons time to return items but also so you o not have a mess of notices > like we do. Simplicity. > > > > Thanks, > > Jordan Woodard > > Aubrey Area Library > > > > On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 3:56 PM Geoff Sams wrote: > > We implemented auto renew back in March this year and things have gone > fairly smoothly with the implementation for my library. > > > > Generally, the patrons have been happy about it. We did have one > complaint that boiled down to a patron simply not wanting to be notified at > all, which was an interesting one for me, but that was certainly possible > to fix for us. > > > > The only rocky start part was getting our notices to generate properly. > The stock notice wording was a little too generic, so we made changes that > took a bit of work to get implemented properly. > > > > We don’t really have the email/sms issue, so I’m not sure what the best > course of action would be for that to be completely honest. I have some > ideas, but I’m not sure if any of them would be viable over the long run. > > > > This has drastically reduced fines here, for the moment. It’s not a > forever renewal process, so I do still see fines, but it has generally > decreased fines across the board. We don’t rely on fine income for > operation here, so this isn’t a giant issue for us, but if you do rely on > fine income I’d probably recommend against implementing suc
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Auto Renew Feature
I would like to add that if you currently send out pre-due notices that it’s probably ideal to stop those as the auto-renew notifications serve the same purpose in general. Jordan touched on that briefly there, but it was something we dealt with as well and I wanted to state it outright since it could be overlooked. Thanks, Geoff Sams Library Manager Roanoke Public Library 817-491-2691 From: Open-ils-general On Behalf Of Elizabeth Davis Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 11:37 AM To: Evergreen Discussion Group Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Auto Renew Feature Thank you both. This has given us more to talk about and consider. Elizabeth From: Open-ils-general [mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Aubrey Area Library Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 12:29 PM To: Evergreen Discussion Group mailto:open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.org>> Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Auto Renew Feature We also implemented auto renew in late February this year (we are also the other library Geoff mentioned). It was a little rocky at first, being the test library for implementation, but once we worked out the kinks it has been smooth sailing. Overall patrons have been very happy with it though we did have one patron that did not like the fact that the items renewed before their actual due date. Yes, we are also the library Geoff mentioned whose items auto renew before their due date. Thankfully it was resolved after speaking with the patron and explaining renewals, how auto renewal works etc. I have started looking at changes to this as I would prefer for the items to renew on their due date. The setup is what it is due to how courtesy notices are set up. Geoff mentioned the issues with generating notices. For patrons with no email/sms; we tend to just explain to patrons about how auto renewal works if they ask about it. After a few times it sinks in and they come to expect it. We do not require email address so, personally, I look at it as if a patron does not want notifications from the library that is their choice. Can't force it on them. We had already taken measures years ago to reduce fines (80% reduction) so the impact that auto renewal has had is minuscule but as it was mention if fines are a source of revenue auto renewal may not be a good fit. I would echo Geoffs recommendations for implementation. It was something that I overlooked and has been a thorn in my side since. Not only to give patrons time to return items but also so you o not have a mess of notices like we do. Simplicity. Thanks, Jordan Woodard Aubrey Area Library On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 3:56 PM Geoff Sams mailto:gs...@roanoketexas.com>> wrote: We implemented auto renew back in March this year and things have gone fairly smoothly with the implementation for my library. Generally, the patrons have been happy about it. We did have one complaint that boiled down to a patron simply not wanting to be notified at all, which was an interesting one for me, but that was certainly possible to fix for us. The only rocky start part was getting our notices to generate properly. The stock notice wording was a little too generic, so we made changes that took a bit of work to get implemented properly. We don’t really have the email/sms issue, so I’m not sure what the best course of action would be for that to be completely honest. I have some ideas, but I’m not sure if any of them would be viable over the long run. This has drastically reduced fines here, for the moment. It’s not a forever renewal process, so I do still see fines, but it has generally decreased fines across the board. We don’t rely on fine income for operation here, so this isn’t a giant issue for us, but if you do rely on fine income I’d probably recommend against implementing such a process. With that said, my staff spend a lot less time dealing with fine related issues, and I believe it’s enough to have saved money in general. For implementation, I’d recommend one of two options for the sake of making things reasonable. Either set the renewal to happen a few days before the due date so that patrons have time to return materials that are not renewed, or set the renewal on the due date but add a multi-day grace period for the same reason. We renew on the due date and give patrons 3 grace days to return the item to avoid fines. Another library in my consortium renews the item 3 days before the due date instead. Both work, but I think the important factor is allowing patrons the time to return items. Thanks, Geoff Sams Library Manager Roanoke Public Library 817-491-2691 From: Open-ils-general mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org>> On Behalf Of Elizabeth Davis Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 12:09 PM To: open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.org<mailto:open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.org> Subject: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Auto
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Auto Renew Feature
Thank you both. This has given us more to talk about and consider. Elizabeth From: Open-ils-general [mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Aubrey Area Library Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 12:29 PM To: Evergreen Discussion Group Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Auto Renew Feature We also implemented auto renew in late February this year (we are also the other library Geoff mentioned). It was a little rocky at first, being the test library for implementation, but once we worked out the kinks it has been smooth sailing. Overall patrons have been very happy with it though we did have one patron that did not like the fact that the items renewed before their actual due date. Yes, we are also the library Geoff mentioned whose items auto renew before their due date. Thankfully it was resolved after speaking with the patron and explaining renewals, how auto renewal works etc. I have started looking at changes to this as I would prefer for the items to renew on their due date. The setup is what it is due to how courtesy notices are set up. Geoff mentioned the issues with generating notices. For patrons with no email/sms; we tend to just explain to patrons about how auto renewal works if they ask about it. After a few times it sinks in and they come to expect it. We do not require email address so, personally, I look at it as if a patron does not want notifications from the library that is their choice. Can't force it on them. We had already taken measures years ago to reduce fines (80% reduction) so the impact that auto renewal has had is minuscule but as it was mention if fines are a source of revenue auto renewal may not be a good fit. I would echo Geoffs recommendations for implementation. It was something that I overlooked and has been a thorn in my side since. Not only to give patrons time to return items but also so you o not have a mess of notices like we do. Simplicity. Thanks, Jordan Woodard Aubrey Area Library On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 3:56 PM Geoff Sams mailto:gs...@roanoketexas.com>> wrote: We implemented auto renew back in March this year and things have gone fairly smoothly with the implementation for my library. Generally, the patrons have been happy about it. We did have one complaint that boiled down to a patron simply not wanting to be notified at all, which was an interesting one for me, but that was certainly possible to fix for us. The only rocky start part was getting our notices to generate properly. The stock notice wording was a little too generic, so we made changes that took a bit of work to get implemented properly. We don’t really have the email/sms issue, so I’m not sure what the best course of action would be for that to be completely honest. I have some ideas, but I’m not sure if any of them would be viable over the long run. This has drastically reduced fines here, for the moment. It’s not a forever renewal process, so I do still see fines, but it has generally decreased fines across the board. We don’t rely on fine income for operation here, so this isn’t a giant issue for us, but if you do rely on fine income I’d probably recommend against implementing such a process. With that said, my staff spend a lot less time dealing with fine related issues, and I believe it’s enough to have saved money in general. For implementation, I’d recommend one of two options for the sake of making things reasonable. Either set the renewal to happen a few days before the due date so that patrons have time to return materials that are not renewed, or set the renewal on the due date but add a multi-day grace period for the same reason. We renew on the due date and give patrons 3 grace days to return the item to avoid fines. Another library in my consortium renews the item 3 days before the due date instead. Both work, but I think the important factor is allowing patrons the time to return items. Thanks, Geoff Sams Library Manager Roanoke Public Library 817-491-2691 From: Open-ils-general mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org>> On Behalf Of Elizabeth Davis Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 12:09 PM To: open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.org<mailto:open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.org> Subject: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Auto Renew Feature Hello Everyone, For those of you who are using the Auto Renew feature, how is it going? What are the general impressions from patrons? Was it a rocky start? We have some concerns about how staff deal with patrons who do not have email or sms notification capabilities. How did you deal with this aspect? Any unexpected financial impacts in terms of fine revenue? What are your suggestions for those interested in implementing it? Thank you, Elizabeth Davis Head of Digital Services Scranton Public Library 500 Vine Street Scranton, PA 18509 Office 570-348-3000 ext. 3050 Cell 570-795-4332 eda...@
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Auto Renew Feature
We also implemented auto renew in late February this year (we are also the other library Geoff mentioned). It was a little rocky at first, being the test library for implementation, but once we worked out the kinks it has been smooth sailing. Overall patrons have been very happy with it though we did have one patron that did not like the fact that the items renewed before their actual due date. Yes, we are also the library Geoff mentioned whose items auto renew before their due date. Thankfully it was resolved after speaking with the patron and explaining renewals, how auto renewal works etc. I have started looking at changes to this as I would prefer for the items to renew on their due date. The setup is what it is due to how courtesy notices are set up. Geoff mentioned the issues with generating notices. For patrons with no email/sms; we tend to just explain to patrons about how auto renewal works if they ask about it. After a few times it sinks in and they come to expect it. We do not require email address so, personally, I look at it as if a patron does not want notifications from the library that is their choice. Can't force it on them. We had already taken measures years ago to reduce fines (80% reduction) so the impact that auto renewal has had is minuscule but as it was mention if fines are a source of revenue auto renewal may not be a good fit. I would echo Geoffs recommendations for implementation. It was something that I overlooked and has been a thorn in my side since. Not only to give patrons time to return items but also so you o not have a mess of notices like we do. Simplicity. Thanks, Jordan Woodard Aubrey Area Library On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 3:56 PM Geoff Sams wrote: > We implemented auto renew back in March this year and things have gone > fairly smoothly with the implementation for my library. > > > > Generally, the patrons have been happy about it. We did have one > complaint that boiled down to a patron simply not wanting to be notified at > all, which was an interesting one for me, but that was certainly possible > to fix for us. > > > > The only rocky start part was getting our notices to generate properly. > The stock notice wording was a little too generic, so we made changes that > took a bit of work to get implemented properly. > > > > We don’t really have the email/sms issue, so I’m not sure what the best > course of action would be for that to be completely honest. I have some > ideas, but I’m not sure if any of them would be viable over the long run. > > > > This has drastically reduced fines here, for the moment. It’s not a > forever renewal process, so I do still see fines, but it has generally > decreased fines across the board. We don’t rely on fine income for > operation here, so this isn’t a giant issue for us, but if you do rely on > fine income I’d probably recommend against implementing such a process. > With that said, my staff spend a lot less time dealing with fine related > issues, and I believe it’s enough to have saved money in general. > > > > For implementation, I’d recommend one of two options for the sake of > making things reasonable. Either set the renewal to happen a few days > before the due date so that patrons have time to return materials that are > not renewed, or set the renewal on the due date but add a multi-day grace > period for the same reason. We renew on the due date and give patrons 3 > grace days to return the item to avoid fines. Another library in my > consortium renews the item 3 days before the due date instead. Both work, > but I think the important factor is allowing patrons the time to return > items. > > > > Thanks, > > Geoff Sams > > Library Manager > > Roanoke Public Library > > 817-491-2691 > > > > *From:* Open-ils-general < > open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org> *On Behalf Of *Elizabeth > Davis > *Sent:* Monday, November 18, 2019 12:09 PM > *To:* open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.org > *Subject:* [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Auto Renew Feature > > > > Hello Everyone, > > > > For those of you who are using the Auto Renew feature, how is it going? > What are the general impressions from patrons? Was it a rocky start? We > have some concerns about how staff deal with patrons who do not have email > or sms notification capabilities. How did you deal with this aspect? Any > unexpected financial impacts in terms of fine revenue? What are your > suggestions for those interested in implementing it? > > > > Thank you, > > > > > > Elizabeth Davis > > Head of Digital Services > > Scranton Public Library > > 500 Vine Street > > Scranton, PA 18509 > > Office 570-348-3000 ext. 3050 > > Cell 570-795-4332 > > eda...@albright.org > > pronouns: she/her/hers > > > > > -- If you need further assistance, please contact the library at 940-365-9162 or send a reply email. Thank You, The Library Staff 226 Countryside Dr., Aubrey, TX 76227
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Auto Renew Feature
We implemented auto renew back in March this year and things have gone fairly smoothly with the implementation for my library. Generally, the patrons have been happy about it. We did have one complaint that boiled down to a patron simply not wanting to be notified at all, which was an interesting one for me, but that was certainly possible to fix for us. The only rocky start part was getting our notices to generate properly. The stock notice wording was a little too generic, so we made changes that took a bit of work to get implemented properly. We don't really have the email/sms issue, so I'm not sure what the best course of action would be for that to be completely honest. I have some ideas, but I'm not sure if any of them would be viable over the long run. This has drastically reduced fines here, for the moment. It's not a forever renewal process, so I do still see fines, but it has generally decreased fines across the board. We don't rely on fine income for operation here, so this isn't a giant issue for us, but if you do rely on fine income I'd probably recommend against implementing such a process. With that said, my staff spend a lot less time dealing with fine related issues, and I believe it's enough to have saved money in general. For implementation, I'd recommend one of two options for the sake of making things reasonable. Either set the renewal to happen a few days before the due date so that patrons have time to return materials that are not renewed, or set the renewal on the due date but add a multi-day grace period for the same reason. We renew on the due date and give patrons 3 grace days to return the item to avoid fines. Another library in my consortium renews the item 3 days before the due date instead. Both work, but I think the important factor is allowing patrons the time to return items. Thanks, Geoff Sams Library Manager Roanoke Public Library 817-491-2691 From: Open-ils-general On Behalf Of Elizabeth Davis Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 12:09 PM To: open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.org Subject: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Auto Renew Feature Hello Everyone, For those of you who are using the Auto Renew feature, how is it going? What are the general impressions from patrons? Was it a rocky start? We have some concerns about how staff deal with patrons who do not have email or sms notification capabilities. How did you deal with this aspect? Any unexpected financial impacts in terms of fine revenue? What are your suggestions for those interested in implementing it? Thank you, Elizabeth Davis Head of Digital Services Scranton Public Library 500 Vine Street Scranton, PA 18509 Office 570-348-3000 ext. 3050 Cell 570-795-4332 eda...@albright.org<mailto:eda...@albright.org> pronouns: she/her/hers
[OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Auto Renew Feature
Hello Everyone, For those of you who are using the Auto Renew feature, how is it going? What are the general impressions from patrons? Was it a rocky start? We have some concerns about how staff deal with patrons who do not have email or sms notification capabilities. How did you deal with this aspect? Any unexpected financial impacts in terms of fine revenue? What are your suggestions for those interested in implementing it? Thank you, Elizabeth Davis Head of Digital Services Scranton Public Library 500 Vine Street Scranton, PA 18509 Office 570-348-3000 ext. 3050 Cell 570-795-4332 eda...@albright.org pronouns: she/her/hers