Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Self Registration

[Cerninakova Eva]

Hi Elizabeth,

If the workstation is a regular PC it is possible to add the registration
page to the browser bookmarks and copy the registration page  bookmark to
the PC desktop as a desktop icon that users can click.
I guess this is  not exactly what you need, however,  it might be at least
possible to use it as a kind of  work around.

Eva




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st 17. 6. 2020 v 19:39 odesílatel Elizabeth Davis 
napsal:

> Does anyone have dedicated patron self-registration stations?  Did you
> adjust the display timeout so that it stays on that registration page or
> did you use some other work around?
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Elizabeth Davis, MLIS
>
> Pronouns: she/her/hers
>
> Head of Digital Services
>
> Scranton Public Library
>
> 500 Vine Street
>
> Scranton, PA 18510
>
> Work-570-795-4332
>
> Cell- 570-579-5825
>
>
>

[OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Self Registration

[Elizabeth Davis]

Does anyone have dedicated patron self-registration stations?  Did you adjust 
the display timeout so that it stays on that registration page or did you use 
some other work around?


Thanks,
Elizabeth Davis, MLIS
Pronouns: she/her/hers
Head of Digital Services
Scranton Public Library
500 Vine Street
Scranton, PA 18510
Work-570-795-4332
Cell- 570-579-5825

Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Self-Registration and Immediate Access to Services

[McCanna, Terran]

Yes to this. We are very interested in the idea of using a third party (like a 
credit check agency? DMV?) to do user identity and address validation. This 
would remove the burden from front-line staff and also remove this particular 
obstacle. 


Terran McCanna 
PINES Program Manager 
Georgia Public Library Service 
1800 Century Place, Suite 150 
Atlanta, GA 30345 
404-235-7138 
tmcca...@georgialibraries.org 
- Original Message -
From: "Justin Hopkins " <jus...@mobiusconsortium.org>
To: "Evergreen Discussion Group" <open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.org>
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 2:51:44 PM
Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Self-Registration and Immediate Access to   
Services

To go off on a bit of a tangent (it's related, I promise) there is also the
issue of Evergreen offering a way to validate users without them being
physically present at the library.

As more and more of our resources are electronic, it makes sense to have a
form of electronic patron validation as well. It may be a good solution to
both of these issues if our self-registration form had the ability to use a
webcam to take a picture of a person and their ID with valid address.

Justin

On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 1:43 PM, Kathy Lussier <kluss...@masslnc.org> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I know of some libraries (not Evergreen libraries) that do this. In one
> case, although the online card can be used to access electronic resources,
> it has a short expiration date. If the user doesn't visit a library within
> a certain time period (2 weeks? 1 month?), it expires. My understanding is
> that this program has worked well, but, once again, this isn't one of the
> libraries I work with, and there may be some details I'm unaware of.
>
> I agree that it is important to check your licensing agreements before
> implementing a program where you allow immediate access, but I do think
> there are ways to work with vendors to implement a service like this one.
> It would be nice for the option to be available in Evergreen for those
> libraries that want to pursue it.
>
> Kathy
>
>
>
>
>
> On 01/29/2016 02:30 PM, Rogan Hamby wrote:
>
> From a "our funding comes a local tax base" stand point my libraries
> (county based entities) would want to validate residency before giving out
> access to products.  We charge out of county fees to non-residents.
>
> On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 2:26 PM, Justin Hopkins  <
> jus...@mobiusconsortium.org> wrote:
>
>> I'm glad you brought that up Grace. One of our libraries would has
>> also requested this functionality, but got hung up on that same issue.
>> We would be grateful to hear from others who have already explored
>> this topic.
>>
>> Justin
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 12:36 PM, Grace Dunbar < <gdun...@esilibrary.com>
>> gdun...@esilibrary.com> wrote:
>> > I want to say that the last time I spoke with a library about this they
>> had
>> > concerns that allowing an "unvalidated" patron access to their digital
>> > content might violate their agreement with the database provider in some
>> > way...
>> > As I have no personal contracts with any database/digital services
>> providers
>> > I can't speak to that myself but it seems like something to check into.
>> >
>> > Grace
>> >
>> > On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 1:20 PM, Bill Erickson < <beric...@gmail.com>
>> beric...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> KCLS is interested in this as well.  I haven't given it much thought
>> yet
>> >> beyond, "wouldn't it be nice if...".
>> >>
>> >> -b
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 12:25 PM, McCanna, Terran
>> >> <tmcca...@georgialibraries.org> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> I would also be interested in hearing if anyone else has done
>> something
>> >>> like this. We have our self-registration set to remove a pending
>> >>> registration after two weeks if the patron has not come into the
>> library to
>> >>> complete the process, so that could potentially add another layer of
>> >>> complexity even if a temporary barcode number and password were
>> assigned,
>> >>> and even if SIP2 could authenticate it.
>> >>>
>> >>> Terran McCanna
>> >>> PINES Program Manager
>> >>> Georgia Public Library Service
>> >>> 1800 Century Place, Suite 150
>> >>> Atlanta, GA 30345
>> >>> 404-235-7138
>> >>> tmcca...@georgialibraries.org
>> >>>

Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Self-Registration and Immediate Access to Services

[Grace Dunbar]

I want to say that the last time I spoke with a library about this they had
concerns that allowing an "unvalidated" patron access to their digital
content might violate their agreement with the database provider in some
way...
As I have no personal contracts with any database/digital services
providers I can't speak to that myself but it seems like something to check
into.

Grace

On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 1:20 PM, Bill Erickson <beric...@gmail.com> wrote:

> KCLS is interested in this as well.  I haven't given it much thought yet
> beyond, "wouldn't it be nice if...".
>
> -b
>
> On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 12:25 PM, McCanna, Terran <
> tmcca...@georgialibraries.org> wrote:
>
>> I would also be interested in hearing if anyone else has done something
>> like this. We have our self-registration set to remove a pending
>> registration after two weeks if the patron has not come into the library to
>> complete the process, so that could potentially add another layer of
>> complexity even if a temporary barcode number and password were assigned,
>> and even if SIP2 could authenticate it.
>>
>> Terran McCanna
>> PINES Program Manager
>> Georgia Public Library Service
>> 1800 Century Place, Suite 150
>> Atlanta, GA 30345
>> 404-235-7138
>> tmcca...@georgialibraries.org
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Dawn Dale" <dd...@georgialibraries.org>
>> To: "Evergreen Discussion Group" <
>> open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2016 12:16:20 PM
>> Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Self-Registration and Immediate Access
>> to  Services
>>
>> I would be interested in knowing how others are handling these issues as
>> well.
>>
>> Dawn Dale
>> GPLS Helpdesk Manager
>> Georgia Public Library Service
>> 1800 Century Place
>> Suite 150
>> Atlanta, GA 30345
>> 404-235-7136
>> dd...@georgialibraries.org
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "scott thomas" <scott.tho...@sparkpa.org>
>> To: open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.org
>> Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2016 9:21:51 AM
>> Subject: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Self-Registration and Immediate Access to
>>  Services
>>
>> Hi,
>>   Have any libraries done any work on allowing patrons who have
>> self-registered to get immediate access to digital services? The problem
>> appears to be twofold:
>>
>> 1. Many databases authenticate using the prefix of the patron barcode,
>> and, at least in our system, patrons are not assigned a library card number
>> during the self-registration process.
>>
>> 2. For services like Overdrive that use SIP2, pending patrons are not
>> truly registered and are therefore not visible via SIP2.
>>
>> Has anyone found a way around these problems?
>>
>> While many of our libraries are quick when it comes to processing pending
>> patrons, immediate access to digital services is great customer service.
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Scott
>>
>> Scott Thomas
>> Executive Director
>> Pennsylvania Integrated Library System
>> 717-873-9461
>> scott.tho...@sparkpa.org
>>
>
>


-- 
Grace Dunbar, Vice President
Equinox Software, Inc.  -  The Open Source Experts
gdun...@esilibrary.com
1-877-OPEN-ILSwww.esilibrary.com

Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Self-Registration and Immediate Access to Services

[Bill Erickson]

KCLS is interested in this as well.  I haven't given it much thought yet
beyond, "wouldn't it be nice if...".

-b

On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 12:25 PM, McCanna, Terran <
tmcca...@georgialibraries.org> wrote:

> I would also be interested in hearing if anyone else has done something
> like this. We have our self-registration set to remove a pending
> registration after two weeks if the patron has not come into the library to
> complete the process, so that could potentially add another layer of
> complexity even if a temporary barcode number and password were assigned,
> and even if SIP2 could authenticate it.
>
> Terran McCanna
> PINES Program Manager
> Georgia Public Library Service
> 1800 Century Place, Suite 150
> Atlanta, GA 30345
> 404-235-7138
> tmcca...@georgialibraries.org
> - Original Message -
> From: "Dawn Dale" <dd...@georgialibraries.org>
> To: "Evergreen Discussion Group" <
> open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.org>
> Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2016 12:16:20 PM
> Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Self-Registration and Immediate Access
> to  Services
>
> I would be interested in knowing how others are handling these issues as
> well.
>
> Dawn Dale
> GPLS Helpdesk Manager
> Georgia Public Library Service
> 1800 Century Place
> Suite 150
> Atlanta, GA 30345
> 404-235-7136
> dd...@georgialibraries.org
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "scott thomas" <scott.tho...@sparkpa.org>
> To: open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.org
> Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2016 9:21:51 AM
> Subject: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Self-Registration and Immediate Access to
>  Services
>
> Hi,
>   Have any libraries done any work on allowing patrons who have
> self-registered to get immediate access to digital services? The problem
> appears to be twofold:
>
> 1. Many databases authenticate using the prefix of the patron barcode,
> and, at least in our system, patrons are not assigned a library card number
> during the self-registration process.
>
> 2. For services like Overdrive that use SIP2, pending patrons are not
> truly registered and are therefore not visible via SIP2.
>
> Has anyone found a way around these problems?
>
> While many of our libraries are quick when it comes to processing pending
> patrons, immediate access to digital services is great customer service.
>
> Thank you,
> Scott
>
> Scott Thomas
> Executive Director
> Pennsylvania Integrated Library System
> 717-873-9461
> scott.tho...@sparkpa.org
>

Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Self-Registration and Immediate Access to Services

[Justin Hopkins ]

I'm glad you brought that up Grace. One of our libraries would has
also requested this functionality, but got hung up on that same issue.
We would be grateful to hear from others who have already explored
this topic.

Justin

On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 12:36 PM, Grace Dunbar <gdun...@esilibrary.com> wrote:
> I want to say that the last time I spoke with a library about this they had
> concerns that allowing an "unvalidated" patron access to their digital
> content might violate their agreement with the database provider in some
> way...
> As I have no personal contracts with any database/digital services providers
> I can't speak to that myself but it seems like something to check into.
>
> Grace
>
> On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 1:20 PM, Bill Erickson <beric...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> KCLS is interested in this as well.  I haven't given it much thought yet
>> beyond, "wouldn't it be nice if...".
>>
>> -b
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 12:25 PM, McCanna, Terran
>> <tmcca...@georgialibraries.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> I would also be interested in hearing if anyone else has done something
>>> like this. We have our self-registration set to remove a pending
>>> registration after two weeks if the patron has not come into the library to
>>> complete the process, so that could potentially add another layer of
>>> complexity even if a temporary barcode number and password were assigned,
>>> and even if SIP2 could authenticate it.
>>>
>>> Terran McCanna
>>> PINES Program Manager
>>> Georgia Public Library Service
>>> 1800 Century Place, Suite 150
>>> Atlanta, GA 30345
>>> 404-235-7138
>>> tmcca...@georgialibraries.org
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Dawn Dale" <dd...@georgialibraries.org>
>>> To: "Evergreen Discussion Group"
>>> <open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.org>
>>> Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2016 12:16:20 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Self-Registration and Immediate Access
>>> to  Services
>>>
>>> I would be interested in knowing how others are handling these issues as
>>> well.
>>>
>>> Dawn Dale
>>> GPLS Helpdesk Manager
>>> Georgia Public Library Service
>>> 1800 Century Place
>>> Suite 150
>>> Atlanta, GA 30345
>>> 404-235-7136
>>> dd...@georgialibraries.org
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "scott thomas" <scott.tho...@sparkpa.org>
>>> To: open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.org
>>> Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2016 9:21:51 AM
>>> Subject: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Self-Registration and Immediate Access to
>>> Services
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>   Have any libraries done any work on allowing patrons who have
>>> self-registered to get immediate access to digital services? The problem
>>> appears to be twofold:
>>>
>>> 1. Many databases authenticate using the prefix of the patron barcode,
>>> and, at least in our system, patrons are not assigned a library card number
>>> during the self-registration process.
>>>
>>> 2. For services like Overdrive that use SIP2, pending patrons are not
>>> truly registered and are therefore not visible via SIP2.
>>>
>>> Has anyone found a way around these problems?
>>>
>>> While many of our libraries are quick when it comes to processing pending
>>> patrons, immediate access to digital services is great customer service.
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>> Scott
>>>
>>> Scott Thomas
>>> Executive Director
>>> Pennsylvania Integrated Library System
>>> 717-873-9461
>>> scott.tho...@sparkpa.org
>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Grace Dunbar, Vice President
> Equinox Software, Inc.  -  The Open Source Experts
> gdun...@esilibrary.com
> 1-877-OPEN-ILSwww.esilibrary.com



-- 
Regards,
Justin

Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Self-Registration and Immediate Access to Services

[Rogan Hamby]

>From a "our funding comes a local tax base" stand point my libraries
(county based entities) would want to validate residency before giving out
access to products.  We charge out of county fees to non-residents.

On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 2:26 PM, Justin Hopkins  <
jus...@mobiusconsortium.org> wrote:

> I'm glad you brought that up Grace. One of our libraries would has
> also requested this functionality, but got hung up on that same issue.
> We would be grateful to hear from others who have already explored
> this topic.
>
> Justin
>
> On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 12:36 PM, Grace Dunbar <gdun...@esilibrary.com>
> wrote:
> > I want to say that the last time I spoke with a library about this they
> had
> > concerns that allowing an "unvalidated" patron access to their digital
> > content might violate their agreement with the database provider in some
> > way...
> > As I have no personal contracts with any database/digital services
> providers
> > I can't speak to that myself but it seems like something to check into.
> >
> > Grace
> >
> > On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 1:20 PM, Bill Erickson <beric...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> KCLS is interested in this as well.  I haven't given it much thought yet
> >> beyond, "wouldn't it be nice if...".
> >>
> >> -b
> >>
> >> On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 12:25 PM, McCanna, Terran
> >> <tmcca...@georgialibraries.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I would also be interested in hearing if anyone else has done something
> >>> like this. We have our self-registration set to remove a pending
> >>> registration after two weeks if the patron has not come into the
> library to
> >>> complete the process, so that could potentially add another layer of
> >>> complexity even if a temporary barcode number and password were
> assigned,
> >>> and even if SIP2 could authenticate it.
> >>>
> >>> Terran McCanna
> >>> PINES Program Manager
> >>> Georgia Public Library Service
> >>> 1800 Century Place, Suite 150
> >>> Atlanta, GA 30345
> >>> 404-235-7138
> >>> tmcca...@georgialibraries.org
> >>> - Original Message -
> >>> From: "Dawn Dale" <dd...@georgialibraries.org>
> >>> To: "Evergreen Discussion Group"
> >>> <open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.org>
> >>> Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2016 12:16:20 PM
> >>> Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Self-Registration and Immediate Access
> >>> to  Services
> >>>
> >>> I would be interested in knowing how others are handling these issues
> as
> >>> well.
> >>>
> >>> Dawn Dale
> >>> GPLS Helpdesk Manager
> >>> Georgia Public Library Service
> >>> 1800 Century Place
> >>> Suite 150
> >>> Atlanta, GA 30345
> >>> 404-235-7136
> >>> dd...@georgialibraries.org
> >>>
> >>> - Original Message -
> >>> From: "scott thomas" <scott.tho...@sparkpa.org>
> >>> To: open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.org
> >>> Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2016 9:21:51 AM
> >>> Subject: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Self-Registration and Immediate Access to
> >>> Services
> >>>
> >>> Hi,
> >>>   Have any libraries done any work on allowing patrons who have
> >>> self-registered to get immediate access to digital services? The
> problem
> >>> appears to be twofold:
> >>>
> >>> 1. Many databases authenticate using the prefix of the patron barcode,
> >>> and, at least in our system, patrons are not assigned a library card
> number
> >>> during the self-registration process.
> >>>
> >>> 2. For services like Overdrive that use SIP2, pending patrons are not
> >>> truly registered and are therefore not visible via SIP2.
> >>>
> >>> Has anyone found a way around these problems?
> >>>
> >>> While many of our libraries are quick when it comes to processing
> pending
> >>> patrons, immediate access to digital services is great customer
> service.
> >>>
> >>> Thank you,
> >>> Scott
> >>>
> >>> Scott Thomas
> >>> Executive Director
> >>> Pennsylvania Integrated Library System
> >>> 717-873-9461
> >>> scott.tho...@sparkpa.org
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Grace Dunbar, Vice President
> > Equinox Software, Inc.  -  The Open Source Experts
> > gdun...@esilibrary.com
> > 1-877-OPEN-ILSwww.esilibrary.com
>
>
>
> --
> Regards,
> Justin
>



-- 

Rogan Hamby, MLS, CCNP, MIA
Managers Headquarters Library and Reference Services,
York County Library System

“You can never get a cup of tea large enough or a book long enough to suit
me.”
― C.S. Lewis <http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/1069006.C_S_Lewis>

Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Self-Registration and Immediate Access to Services

[Tim Spindler]

I know access can be a big issue with academic institutions also.
Frequently the licensing is limited to a students and faculty only.

On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 2:30 PM, Rogan Hamby <rogan.ha...@yclibrary.net>
wrote:

> From a "our funding comes a local tax base" stand point my libraries
> (county based entities) would want to validate residency before giving out
> access to products.  We charge out of county fees to non-residents.
>
> On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 2:26 PM, Justin Hopkins  <
> jus...@mobiusconsortium.org> wrote:
>
>> I'm glad you brought that up Grace. One of our libraries would has
>> also requested this functionality, but got hung up on that same issue.
>> We would be grateful to hear from others who have already explored
>> this topic.
>>
>> Justin
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 12:36 PM, Grace Dunbar <gdun...@esilibrary.com>
>> wrote:
>> > I want to say that the last time I spoke with a library about this they
>> had
>> > concerns that allowing an "unvalidated" patron access to their digital
>> > content might violate their agreement with the database provider in some
>> > way...
>> > As I have no personal contracts with any database/digital services
>> providers
>> > I can't speak to that myself but it seems like something to check into.
>> >
>> > Grace
>> >
>> > On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 1:20 PM, Bill Erickson <beric...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> KCLS is interested in this as well.  I haven't given it much thought
>> yet
>> >> beyond, "wouldn't it be nice if...".
>> >>
>> >> -b
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 12:25 PM, McCanna, Terran
>> >> <tmcca...@georgialibraries.org> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> I would also be interested in hearing if anyone else has done
>> something
>> >>> like this. We have our self-registration set to remove a pending
>> >>> registration after two weeks if the patron has not come into the
>> library to
>> >>> complete the process, so that could potentially add another layer of
>> >>> complexity even if a temporary barcode number and password were
>> assigned,
>> >>> and even if SIP2 could authenticate it.
>> >>>
>> >>> Terran McCanna
>> >>> PINES Program Manager
>> >>> Georgia Public Library Service
>> >>> 1800 Century Place, Suite 150
>> >>> Atlanta, GA 30345
>> >>> 404-235-7138
>> >>> tmcca...@georgialibraries.org
>> >>> - Original Message -
>> >>> From: "Dawn Dale" <dd...@georgialibraries.org>
>> >>> To: "Evergreen Discussion Group"
>> >>> <open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.org>
>> >>> Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2016 12:16:20 PM
>> >>> Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Self-Registration and Immediate Access
>> >>> to  Services
>> >>>
>> >>> I would be interested in knowing how others are handling these issues
>> as
>> >>> well.
>> >>>
>> >>> Dawn Dale
>> >>> GPLS Helpdesk Manager
>> >>> Georgia Public Library Service
>> >>> 1800 Century Place
>> >>> Suite 150
>> >>> Atlanta, GA 30345
>> >>> 404-235-7136
>> >>> dd...@georgialibraries.org
>> >>>
>> >>> - Original Message -
>> >>> From: "scott thomas" <scott.tho...@sparkpa.org>
>> >>> To: open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.org
>> >>> Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2016 9:21:51 AM
>> >>> Subject: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Self-Registration and Immediate Access to
>> >>> Services
>> >>>
>> >>> Hi,
>> >>>   Have any libraries done any work on allowing patrons who have
>> >>> self-registered to get immediate access to digital services? The
>> problem
>> >>> appears to be twofold:
>> >>>
>> >>> 1. Many databases authenticate using the prefix of the patron barcode,
>> >>> and, at least in our system, patrons are not assigned a library card
>> number
>> >>> during the self-registration process.
>> >>>
>> >>> 2. For services like Overdrive that use SIP2, pending patrons are not
>> >>> truly registered and are therefore not visible via SIP2.
>> >>>
>> >>> Has anyone found a way around these problems?
>> >>>
>> >>> While many of our libraries are quick when it comes to processing
>> pending
>> >>> patrons, immediate access to digital services is great customer
>> service.
>> >>>
>> >>> Thank you,
>> >>> Scott
>> >>>
>> >>> Scott Thomas
>> >>> Executive Director
>> >>> Pennsylvania Integrated Library System
>> >>> 717-873-9461
>> >>> scott.tho...@sparkpa.org
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Grace Dunbar, Vice President
>> > Equinox Software, Inc.  -  The Open Source Experts
>> > gdun...@esilibrary.com
>> > 1-877-OPEN-ILSwww.esilibrary.com
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Regards,
>> Justin
>>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Rogan Hamby, MLS, CCNP, MIA
> Managers Headquarters Library and Reference Services,
> York County Library System
>
> “You can never get a cup of tea large enough or a book long enough to suit
> me.”
> ― C.S. Lewis <http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/1069006.C_S_Lewis>
>



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Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Self-Registration and Immediate Access to Services

[Kathy Lussier]

Hi all,

I know of some libraries (not Evergreen libraries) that do this. In one 
case, although the online card can be used to access electronic 
resources, it has a short expiration date. If the user doesn't visit a 
library within a certain time period (2 weeks? 1 month?), it expires. My 
understanding is that this program has worked well, but, once again, 
this isn't one of the libraries I work with, and there may be some 
details I'm unaware of.


I agree that it is important to check your licensing agreements before 
implementing a program where you allow immediate access, but I do think 
there are ways to work with vendors to implement a service like this 
one. It would be nice for the option to be available in Evergreen for 
those libraries that want to pursue it.


Kathy




On 01/29/2016 02:30 PM, Rogan Hamby wrote:
From a "our funding comes a local tax base" stand point my libraries 
(county based entities) would want to validate residency before giving 
out access to products.  We charge out of county fees to non-residents.


On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 2:26 PM, Justin Hopkins  
<jus...@mobiusconsortium.org <mailto:jus...@mobiusconsortium.org>> wrote:


I'm glad you brought that up Grace. One of our libraries would has
also requested this functionality, but got hung up on that same issue.
We would be grateful to hear from others who have already explored
this topic.

Justin

On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 12:36 PM, Grace Dunbar
<gdun...@esilibrary.com <mailto:gdun...@esilibrary.com>> wrote:
> I want to say that the last time I spoke with a library about
this they had
> concerns that allowing an "unvalidated" patron access to their
digital
> content might violate their agreement with the database provider
in some
> way...
> As I have no personal contracts with any database/digital
services providers
> I can't speak to that myself but it seems like something to
check into.
>
> Grace
>
> On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 1:20 PM, Bill Erickson
<beric...@gmail.com <mailto:beric...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> KCLS is interested in this as well.  I haven't given it much
thought yet
>> beyond, "wouldn't it be nice if...".
>>
>> -b
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 12:25 PM, McCanna, Terran
>> <tmcca...@georgialibraries.org
<mailto:tmcca...@georgialibraries.org>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I would also be interested in hearing if anyone else has done
something
>>> like this. We have our self-registration set to remove a pending
>>> registration after two weeks if the patron has not come into
the library to
>>> complete the process, so that could potentially add another
layer of
>>> complexity even if a temporary barcode number and password
were assigned,
>>> and even if SIP2 could authenticate it.
>>>
>>> Terran McCanna
>>> PINES Program Manager
>>> Georgia Public Library Service
>>> 1800 Century Place, Suite 150
>>> Atlanta, GA 30345
>>> 404-235-7138 
>>> tmcca...@georgialibraries.org
<mailto:tmcca...@georgialibraries.org>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Dawn Dale" <dd...@georgialibraries.org
<mailto:dd...@georgialibraries.org>>
>>> To: "Evergreen Discussion Group"
>>> <open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.org
<mailto:open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.org>>
>>> Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2016 12:16:20 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Self-Registration and
Immediate Access
>>> to  Services
>>>
>>> I would be interested in knowing how others are handling these
issues as
>>> well.
>>>
>>> Dawn Dale
>>> GPLS Helpdesk Manager
>>> Georgia Public Library Service
>>> 1800 Century Place
    >>> Suite 150
>>> Atlanta, GA 30345
>>> 404-235-7136 
>>> dd...@georgialibraries.org <mailto:dd...@georgialibraries.org>
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "scott thomas" <scott.tho...@sparkpa.org
<mailto:scott.tho...@sparkpa.org>>
>>> To: open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.org
<mailto:open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.org>
>>> Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2016 9:21:51 AM
>>> Subject: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Self-Registration and Immediate
Access to
>>> Services
>>>

Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Self-Registration and Immediate Access to Services

[Justin Hopkins ]

To go off on a bit of a tangent (it's related, I promise) there is also the
issue of Evergreen offering a way to validate users without them being
physically present at the library.

As more and more of our resources are electronic, it makes sense to have a
form of electronic patron validation as well. It may be a good solution to
both of these issues if our self-registration form had the ability to use a
webcam to take a picture of a person and their ID with valid address.

Justin

On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 1:43 PM, Kathy Lussier <kluss...@masslnc.org> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I know of some libraries (not Evergreen libraries) that do this. In one
> case, although the online card can be used to access electronic resources,
> it has a short expiration date. If the user doesn't visit a library within
> a certain time period (2 weeks? 1 month?), it expires. My understanding is
> that this program has worked well, but, once again, this isn't one of the
> libraries I work with, and there may be some details I'm unaware of.
>
> I agree that it is important to check your licensing agreements before
> implementing a program where you allow immediate access, but I do think
> there are ways to work with vendors to implement a service like this one.
> It would be nice for the option to be available in Evergreen for those
> libraries that want to pursue it.
>
> Kathy
>
>
>
>
>
> On 01/29/2016 02:30 PM, Rogan Hamby wrote:
>
> From a "our funding comes a local tax base" stand point my libraries
> (county based entities) would want to validate residency before giving out
> access to products.  We charge out of county fees to non-residents.
>
> On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 2:26 PM, Justin Hopkins  <
> jus...@mobiusconsortium.org> wrote:
>
>> I'm glad you brought that up Grace. One of our libraries would has
>> also requested this functionality, but got hung up on that same issue.
>> We would be grateful to hear from others who have already explored
>> this topic.
>>
>> Justin
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 12:36 PM, Grace Dunbar < <gdun...@esilibrary.com>
>> gdun...@esilibrary.com> wrote:
>> > I want to say that the last time I spoke with a library about this they
>> had
>> > concerns that allowing an "unvalidated" patron access to their digital
>> > content might violate their agreement with the database provider in some
>> > way...
>> > As I have no personal contracts with any database/digital services
>> providers
>> > I can't speak to that myself but it seems like something to check into.
>> >
>> > Grace
>> >
>> > On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 1:20 PM, Bill Erickson < <beric...@gmail.com>
>> beric...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> KCLS is interested in this as well.  I haven't given it much thought
>> yet
>> >> beyond, "wouldn't it be nice if...".
>> >>
>> >> -b
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 12:25 PM, McCanna, Terran
>> >> <tmcca...@georgialibraries.org> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> I would also be interested in hearing if anyone else has done
>> something
>> >>> like this. We have our self-registration set to remove a pending
>> >>> registration after two weeks if the patron has not come into the
>> library to
>> >>> complete the process, so that could potentially add another layer of
>> >>> complexity even if a temporary barcode number and password were
>> assigned,
>> >>> and even if SIP2 could authenticate it.
>> >>>
>> >>> Terran McCanna
>> >>> PINES Program Manager
>> >>> Georgia Public Library Service
>> >>> 1800 Century Place, Suite 150
>> >>> Atlanta, GA 30345
>> >>> 404-235-7138
>> >>> tmcca...@georgialibraries.org
>> >>> - Original Message -
>> >>> From: "Dawn Dale" < <dd...@georgialibraries.org>
>> dd...@georgialibraries.org>
>> >>> To: "Evergreen Discussion Group"
>> >>> <open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.org>
>> >>> Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2016 12:16:20 PM
>> >>> Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Self-Registration and Immediate Access
>> >>> to  Services
>> >>>
>> >>> I would be interested in knowing how others are handling these issues
>> as
>> >>> well.
>> >>>
>> >>> Dawn Dale
>> >>> GPLS Helpde

Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Self-Registration and Immediate Access to Services

[Bill Erickson]

On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 2:51 PM, Justin Hopkins  <
jus...@mobiusconsortium.org> wrote:

> To go off on a bit of a tangent (it's related, I promise) there is also
> the issue of Evergreen offering a way to validate users without them being
> physically present at the library.
>
> As more and more of our resources are electronic, it makes sense to have a
> form of electronic patron validation as well. It may be a good solution to
> both of these issues if our self-registration form had the ability to use a
> webcam to take a picture of a person and their ID with valid address.
>

+1 to this.  And if I can convince Amazon to sell me wine, surely there's a
way to validate patrons without requiring them to come to the library.

-b

Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Self-Registration and Immediate Access to Services

[Rogan Hamby]

Eventually libraries will embrace these ideas but I think in some areas it
will be a hard fight.  Between traditionalistic views and not wanting to
change policies a lot won't.  Personally, I think it would be great to be
able to get a valid card for remote services without having to come into a
building.

On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 3:14 PM, Bill Erickson  wrote:

>
> On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 2:51 PM, Justin Hopkins  <
> jus...@mobiusconsortium.org> wrote:
>
>> To go off on a bit of a tangent (it's related, I promise) there is also
>> the issue of Evergreen offering a way to validate users without them being
>> physically present at the library.
>>
>> As more and more of our resources are electronic, it makes sense to have
>> a form of electronic patron validation as well. It may be a good solution
>> to both of these issues if our self-registration form had the ability to
>> use a webcam to take a picture of a person and their ID with valid address.
>>
>
> +1 to this.  And if I can convince Amazon to sell me wine, surely there's
> a way to validate patrons without requiring them to come to the library.
>
> -b
>
>


-- 

Rogan Hamby, MLS, CCNP, MIA
Managers Headquarters Library and Reference Services,
York County Library System

“You can never get a cup of tea large enough or a book long enough to suit
me.”
― C.S. Lewis 

Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Self-Registration and Immediate Access to Services

[McCanna, Terran]

I would also be interested in hearing if anyone else has done something like 
this. We have our self-registration set to remove a pending registration after 
two weeks if the patron has not come into the library to complete the process, 
so that could potentially add another layer of complexity even if a temporary 
barcode number and password were assigned, and even if SIP2 could authenticate 
it.

Terran McCanna 
PINES Program Manager 
Georgia Public Library Service 
1800 Century Place, Suite 150 
Atlanta, GA 30345 
404-235-7138 
tmcca...@georgialibraries.org 
- Original Message -
From: "Dawn Dale" <dd...@georgialibraries.org>
To: "Evergreen Discussion Group" <open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.org>
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2016 12:16:20 PM
Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Self-Registration and Immediate Access  to  
Services

I would be interested in knowing how others are handling these issues as well.

Dawn Dale
GPLS Helpdesk Manager
Georgia Public Library Service
1800 Century Place
Suite 150
Atlanta, GA 30345
404-235-7136
dd...@georgialibraries.org

- Original Message -
From: "scott thomas" <scott.tho...@sparkpa.org>
To: open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.org
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2016 9:21:51 AM
Subject: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Self-Registration and Immediate Access to   Services

Hi,
  Have any libraries done any work on allowing patrons who have self-registered 
to get immediate access to digital services? The problem appears to be twofold:

1. Many databases authenticate using the prefix of the patron barcode, and, at 
least in our system, patrons are not assigned a library card number during the 
self-registration process.

2. For services like Overdrive that use SIP2, pending patrons are not truly 
registered and are therefore not visible via SIP2.

Has anyone found a way around these problems?

While many of our libraries are quick when it comes to processing pending 
patrons, immediate access to digital services is great customer service.

Thank you,
Scott

Scott Thomas
Executive Director
Pennsylvania Integrated Library System
717-873-9461
scott.tho...@sparkpa.org

[OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Self-Registration and Immediate Access to Services

[scott.tho...@sparkpa.org]

Hi,
  Have any libraries done any work on allowing patrons who have self-registered 
to get immediate access to digital services? The problem appears to be twofold:

1. Many databases authenticate using the prefix of the patron barcode, and, at 
least in our system, patrons are not assigned a library card number during the 
self-registration process.

2. For services like Overdrive that use SIP2, pending patrons are not truly 
registered and are therefore not visible via SIP2.

Has anyone found a way around these problems?

While many of our libraries are quick when it comes to processing pending 
patrons, immediate access to digital services is great customer service.

Thank you,
Scott

Scott Thomas
Executive Director
Pennsylvania Integrated Library System
717-873-9461
scott.tho...@sparkpa.org

Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] self-registration agreement

[Chauncey Montgomery]

Holly,
Could you just have a policy page with a check box that was prefaced 
with By checking this box, I agree to abide by all library policies, 
blah, blah, blah.  The patron wouldn't be able to finish registration 
without agreeing to the policy.  I am thinking something similar to the 
software agreements that no one ever reads.  I know that would also be 
the case with the self registration, but if a patron ever claimed that 
he didn't know your borrowing policies, then you could simply point out 
that when he registered, he had to confirm that he agreed to the policy 
to complete registration.

Just a thought.
CM

Chauncey G. Montgomery, MLIS
Director/Fiscal Officer | Community Library
44 Burrer Drive | Sunbury, OH 43074
740-965-3901 | http://community.lib.oh.us

On 05/15/2014 09:49 PM, Holly Brennan wrote:

Has anyone added an agreement for patrons to go along with patron
self-registration? Such as “I understand that I am responsible… blah
blah blah”

We would like to have something to agree to when patrons complete the
registration in person and they sign something (we’re thinking of
printing out their registration page).

The two ideas I have are:

-Add a blurb on the online registration so when they click Submit they
are agreeing (con: This disappears with the transaction and can’t be
pointed to later on)

- Add a blurb somehow in the staff patron registration so it prints with
all the info (con: I have no idea how to edit the registration area, or
if there is a character limit to each registration piece in the staff
client)

I like option 2, since it would print and patrons would sign just below
it. We’d then have it all on paper if we needed to go back to it. Our
library has a few custom registration pieces (gender and residency)
which appear at the bottom of the page, so I’m thinking of somehow
adding another piece, which will really just be a few sentences and not
really an option. Perhaps a checkbox that reads “I understand…” and is
auto-checked for every patron (like “Valid Address”).

Interested in any and all ideas on how others might have done this… or
not. Perhaps you’ve done away with the agreement all together (since no
one reads it anyway).

Thanks, team!

-Holly

Holly Brennan

Library Technology Specialist

Homer Public Library

907-235-3180 (main)

907-435-3154 (direct)

hbren...@cityofhomer-ak.gov

Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] self-registration agreement

[Thomas Berezansky]

On the subject of adding to the patron registration/edit screen:

You can add something like that globally by editing  
Open-ILS/src/templates/actor/user/register.tt2 to add your message to  
the bottom of the screen (before that last [% END %]). Then you can  
use whatever HTML you want.


Alternatively, just have a stack of agreement sheets that you attach  
the printed record to (I suspect that the printed record will be more  
than one page anyway), then it doesn't need to show up in the staff  
client at all.


Quoting Holly Brennan haderh...@ci.homer.ak.us:

Has anyone added an agreement for patrons to go along with patron  
self-registration? Such as I understand that I am responsible...  
blah blah blah


We would like to have something to agree to when patrons complete  
the registration in person and they sign something (we're thinking  
of printing out their registration page).


The two ideas I have are:
-Add a blurb on the online registration so when they click Submit  
they are agreeing (con: This disappears with the transaction and  
can't be pointed to later on)
- Add a blurb somehow in the staff patron registration so it prints  
with all the info (con: I have no idea how to edit the registration  
area, or if there is a character limit to each registration piece in  
the staff client)


I like option 2, since it would print and patrons would sign just  
below it. We'd then have it all on paper if we needed to go back to  
it. Our library has a few custom registration pieces (gender and  
residency) which appear at the bottom of the page, so I'm thinking  
of somehow adding another piece, which will really just be a few  
sentences and not really an option. Perhaps a checkbox that reads I  
understand... and is auto-checked for every patron (like Valid  
Address).


Interested in any and all ideas on how others might have done  
this... or not. Perhaps you've done away with the agreement all  
together (since no one reads it anyway).


Thanks, team!

-Holly





Holly Brennan
Library Technology Specialist
Homer Public Library
907-235-3180 (main)
907-435-3154 (direct)
hbren...@cityofhomer-ak.gov



Thomas Berezansky
Merrimack Valley Library Consortium

Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] self-registration agreement

[Holly Brennan]

Thanks for your thoughts, Chauncey!

-Original Message-
From: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org 
[mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of 
Chauncey Montgomery
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2014 4:16 AM
To: Evergreen Discussion Group
Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] self-registration agreement

Holly,
Could you just have a policy page with a check box that was prefaced with By 
checking this box, I agree to abide by all library policies, blah, blah, blah. 
 The patron wouldn't be able to finish registration without agreeing to the 
policy.  I am thinking something similar to the software agreements that no one 
ever reads.  I know that would also be the case with the self registration, but 
if a patron ever claimed that he didn't know your borrowing policies, then you 
could simply point out that when he registered, he had to confirm that he 
agreed to the policy to complete registration.
Just a thought.
CM

Chauncey G. Montgomery, MLIS
Director/Fiscal Officer | Community Library
44 Burrer Drive | Sunbury, OH 43074
740-965-3901 | http://community.lib.oh.us

On 05/15/2014 09:49 PM, Holly Brennan wrote:
 Has anyone added an agreement for patrons to go along with patron 
 self-registration? Such as I understand that I am responsible... blah 
 blah blah

 We would like to have something to agree to when patrons complete the 
 registration in person and they sign something (we're thinking of 
 printing out their registration page).

 The two ideas I have are:

 -Add a blurb on the online registration so when they click Submit they 
 are agreeing (con: This disappears with the transaction and can't be 
 pointed to later on)

 - Add a blurb somehow in the staff patron registration so it prints 
 with all the info (con: I have no idea how to edit the registration 
 area, or if there is a character limit to each registration piece in 
 the staff
 client)

 I like option 2, since it would print and patrons would sign just 
 below it. We'd then have it all on paper if we needed to go back to 
 it. Our library has a few custom registration pieces (gender and 
 residency) which appear at the bottom of the page, so I'm thinking of 
 somehow adding another piece, which will really just be a few 
 sentences and not really an option. Perhaps a checkbox that reads I 
 understand... and is auto-checked for every patron (like Valid Address).

 Interested in any and all ideas on how others might have done this... or 
 not. Perhaps you've done away with the agreement all together (since 
 no one reads it anyway).

 Thanks, team!

 -Holly

 Holly Brennan

 Library Technology Specialist

 Homer Public Library

 907-235-3180 (main)

 907-435-3154 (direct)

 hbren...@cityofhomer-ak.gov

Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] self-registration agreement

[Holly Brennan]

After talking with staff today, we have agreed that having something printed 
and on record with the agreement and signature is best (something physical 
to point to). After confirming that we don't actually need a printed copy of 
all the patron info, I'm going to create an Agreement page that patrons will 
sign and date when they complete the registration in person. It will only have 
the terms of agreement and signature, with patron name and library card number 
at the top for filing purposes.

And just FYI, with the full  out-of-the-box registration fields, plus two 
custom ones, the patron info prints out to 3/4 of a page! I was very surprised 
by this. I thought of having a pre-printed agreement page with only text at the 
bottom, so we could use that paper to print the patron info at the top, but 
that would require remembering to put the special paper in, or having a 
designated printer for registrations.

Thanks for your input, tsbere! (with your ideas here and helping me get the 
permissions sorted out on IRC)

-Holly





-Original Message-
From: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org 
[mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Thomas 
Berezansky
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2014 4:43 AM
To: Evergreen Discussion Group
Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] self-registration agreement

On the subject of adding to the patron registration/edit screen:

You can add something like that globally by editing
Open-ILS/src/templates/actor/user/register.tt2 to add your message to the 
bottom of the screen (before that last [% END %]). Then you can use whatever 
HTML you want.

Alternatively, just have a stack of agreement sheets that you attach the 
printed record to (I suspect that the printed record will be more than one page 
anyway), then it doesn't need to show up in the staff client at all.

Quoting Holly Brennan haderh...@ci.homer.ak.us:

 Has anyone added an agreement for patrons to go along with patron 
 self-registration? Such as I understand that I am responsible...
 blah blah blah

 We would like to have something to agree to when patrons complete the 
 registration in person and they sign something (we're thinking of 
 printing out their registration page).

 The two ideas I have are:
 -Add a blurb on the online registration so when they click Submit they 
 are agreeing (con: This disappears with the transaction and can't be 
 pointed to later on)
 - Add a blurb somehow in the staff patron registration so it prints 
 with all the info (con: I have no idea how to edit the registration 
 area, or if there is a character limit to each registration piece in 
 the staff client)

 I like option 2, since it would print and patrons would sign just 
 below it. We'd then have it all on paper if we needed to go back to 
 it. Our library has a few custom registration pieces (gender and
 residency) which appear at the bottom of the page, so I'm thinking of 
 somehow adding another piece, which will really just be a few 
 sentences and not really an option. Perhaps a checkbox that reads I 
 understand... and is auto-checked for every patron (like Valid 
 Address).

 Interested in any and all ideas on how others might have done this... 
 or not. Perhaps you've done away with the agreement all together 
 (since no one reads it anyway).

 Thanks, team!

 -Holly





 Holly Brennan
 Library Technology Specialist
 Homer Public Library
 907-235-3180 (main)
 907-435-3154 (direct)
 hbren...@cityofhomer-ak.gov


Thomas Berezansky
Merrimack Valley Library Consortium

[OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] self-registration agreement

[Holly Brennan]

Has anyone added an agreement for patrons to go along with patron 
self-registration? Such as I understand that I am responsible... blah blah 
blah

We would like to have something to agree to when patrons complete the 
registration in person and they sign something (we're thinking of printing out 
their registration page).

The two ideas I have are:
-Add a blurb on the online registration so when they click Submit they are 
agreeing (con: This disappears with the transaction and can't be pointed to 
later on)
- Add a blurb somehow in the staff patron registration so it prints with all 
the info (con: I have no idea how to edit the registration area, or if there is 
a character limit to each registration piece in the staff client)

I like option 2, since it would print and patrons would sign just below it. 
We'd then have it all on paper if we needed to go back to it. Our library has a 
few custom registration pieces (gender and residency) which appear at the 
bottom of the page, so I'm thinking of somehow adding another piece, which will 
really just be a few sentences and not really an option. Perhaps a checkbox 
that reads I understand... and is auto-checked for every patron (like Valid 
Address).

Interested in any and all ideas on how others might have done this... or not. 
Perhaps you've done away with the agreement all together (since no one reads it 
anyway).

Thanks, team!

-Holly





Holly Brennan
Library Technology Specialist
Homer Public Library
907-235-3180 (main)
907-435-3154 (direct)
hbren...@cityofhomer-ak.gov