Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Disabling SSL in Evergreen ILS
Hi all. Regards from México. As Mike said, letsencrypt could work for Evergreen as an option. In a Evergreen testing server for 2.12.0 EG version, I already installed a LetsEncrypt certificate and It is working fine. https://biblos.ipicyt.edu.mx/eg/opac/home Rgds Atentamente. Francisco Javier Guel Mendoza De: Open-ils-general <open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org> en nombre de Mike Rylander <mrylan...@gmail.com> Enviado: jueves, 30 de marzo de 2017 08:40 a. m. Para: Evergreen Discussion Group Asunto: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Disabling SSL in Evergreen ILS Hi, There are several relatively simple services (some entirely in-browser) that can get certs from Let's Encrypt available at https://letsencrypt.org/docs/client-options/ . If have control over many client options - Let's Encrypt<https://letsencrypt.org/docs/client-options/> letsencrypt.org Let’s Encrypt uses the ACME protocol to verify that you control a given domain name and to issue you a certificate. To get a Let’s Encrypt certificate, you’ll ... DNS for your domain, you could set up an external DNS entry for the name of the internal server and receive a cert, then use internal (split-brain) DNS to use that name for a private IP and make use of the cert you generate. These certs are fairly short-lived, but once DNS is set up, the update process is easy. HTH, -- Mike Rylander | President | Equinox Open Library Initiative | phone: 1-877-OPEN-ILS (673-6457) | email: mi...@equinoxinitiative.org | web: http://equinoxinitiative.org On Thu, Mar 30, 2017 at 10:19 AM, Josh Stompro <stomp...@exchange.larl.org> wrote: > StartSSL shouldn’t be used any more. They were banned from Chrome and > Firefox early this year because of reasons including the fact that they were > silently purchased by a Chinese company, and because they were issuing back > dated certificates to get around the SHA-1 phase out. They also allowed > users to get certificates for main domains if they could certify that they > had control of subdomains. > > > > https://arstechnica.com/security/2016/09/firefox-ready-to-block-certificate-authority-that-threatened-web-security/ [https://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/barricade-800x600.jpg]<https://arstechnica.com/security/2016/09/firefox-ready-to-block-certificate-authority-that-threatened-web-security/> Firefox ready to block certificate authority that ...<https://arstechnica.com/security/2016/09/firefox-ready-to-block-certificate-authority-that-threatened-web-security/> arstechnica.com The organization that develops Firefox has recommended the browser block digital credentials issued by a China-based certificate authority for 12 months after ... > > > > Josh Stompro - LARL IT Director > > > > From: Open-ils-general > [mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of > Bill Ott > Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2017 9:10 AM > To: open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.org > Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Disabling SSL in Evergreen ILS > > > > For single server implementations, there are also free certificates > available from organizations like StartSSL. > > > > On 03/30/2017 10:04 AM, Rogan Hamby wrote: > > While SSL on an intranet may not be necessary it still isn't harmful. I may > be of a paranoid bent but you can have security issues even on an intranet, > especially large geographically distributed ones. And with the increasingly > punitive behavior of browsers to punish non-encrypted connections in various > ways (usually with warnings and such) I'd question if it would be easier to > just implement the SSL for the intranet than try to pass around it. > > > > > > > Rogan Hamby > > Data and Project Analyst > > Equinox Open Library Initiative > > phone: 1-877-OPEN-ILS (673-6457) > > email: ro...@equinoxinitiative.org > > web: http://EquinoxInitiative.org > > > > On Thu, Mar 30, 2017 at 10:00 AM, Jason Stephenson <ja...@sigio.com> wrote: > > I should add that the staff client requires SSL and there's no easy way > to chagne that, so you can't completely disable SSL and expect things to > still function properly. > > > > > On 03/30/2017 09:23 AM, Jason Stephenson wrote: >> Jayaraj, >> >> It would be done via the Apache configuration files. You'd move >> everything from the SSL enabled vhost configurations to the non-SSL >> vhosts, i.e everything from the port 443 configuration sections to the >> port 80 configuration. Some of that configuration is duplicated, so only >> the unique things need to go. >> >> There may also be some directives to force SSL on some locations. You'll >> want to remove those also. &g
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Disabling SSL in Evergreen ILS
I'd suggest getting free SSL certificates from Let's Encrypt -- https://letsencrypt.org/ There's been some discussion in the past on this subject on the Evergreen dev mailing list: http://list.georgialibraries.org/pipermail/open-ils-dev/2016-June/010153.html While I'd be curious to see how that would affect a primarily intranet based Evergreen system (meaning, I think you'd still want to have a FQDN hostname for your Evergreen system and not a local hostname or IP address used internally), I think that they offer a good service for SSL certificates. I imagine there's plenty more thoughts or suggestions on the subject since that time. -- Ben On Thu, Mar 30, 2017 at 10:19 AM, Josh Stompro <stomp...@exchange.larl.org> wrote: > StartSSL shouldn’t be used any more. They were banned from Chrome and > Firefox early this year because of reasons including the fact that they were > silently purchased by a Chinese company, and because they were issuing back > dated certificates to get around the SHA-1 phase out. They also allowed > users to get certificates for main domains if they could certify that they > had control of subdomains. > > > > https://arstechnica.com/security/2016/09/firefox-ready-to-block-certificate-authority-that-threatened-web-security/ > > > > Josh Stompro - LARL IT Director > > > > From: Open-ils-general > [mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of > Bill Ott > Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2017 9:10 AM > To: open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.org > Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Disabling SSL in Evergreen ILS > > > > For single server implementations, there are also free certificates > available from organizations like StartSSL. > > > > On 03/30/2017 10:04 AM, Rogan Hamby wrote: > > While SSL on an intranet may not be necessary it still isn't harmful. I may > be of a paranoid bent but you can have security issues even on an intranet, > especially large geographically distributed ones. And with the increasingly > punitive behavior of browsers to punish non-encrypted connections in various > ways (usually with warnings and such) I'd question if it would be easier to > just implement the SSL for the intranet than try to pass around it. > > > > > > > Rogan Hamby > > Data and Project Analyst > > Equinox Open Library Initiative > > phone: 1-877-OPEN-ILS (673-6457) > > email: ro...@equinoxinitiative.org > > web: http://EquinoxInitiative.org > > > > On Thu, Mar 30, 2017 at 10:00 AM, Jason Stephenson <ja...@sigio.com> wrote: > > I should add that the staff client requires SSL and there's no easy way > to chagne that, so you can't completely disable SSL and expect things to > still function properly. > > > > > On 03/30/2017 09:23 AM, Jason Stephenson wrote: >> Jayaraj, >> >> It would be done via the Apache configuration files. You'd move >> everything from the SSL enabled vhost configurations to the non-SSL >> vhosts, i.e everything from the port 443 configuration sections to the >> port 80 configuration. Some of that configuration is duplicated, so only >> the unique things need to go. >> >> There may also be some directives to force SSL on some locations. You'll >> want to remove those also. >> >> I'm writing this from memory without looking at the files, which is >> alway a bad thing to do, but I think that covers it. >> >> HtH, >> Jason >> >> On 03/30/2017 04:16 AM, Jayaraj JR wrote: >>> Hello, >>> >>> Greetings of the day ! >>> >>> SSL or https is a better option as far as security is concerned. But the >>> heightened security level may not be necessary at many times especially >>> while using Evergreen in Intranet. Besides the browser often warns the >>> user that entering to my account in evergreen catalog is dangerous if >>> purchased SSL is not implemented. This may often create confusion for >>> childern and beginning users who are not well versed with computers. >>> They are very often advised to add security exception for accessing the >>> library catalog. >>> >>> It would appreciable, if any option or configuration is available to >>> disable the SSL and to use the full library catalog via http. >>> Kindly advice the configuration to use my account in Evergreen catalog >>> via http itself and not https >>> >>> -- >>> Thanks in Advance, >>> >>> Jayaraj J R >>> Library Information Assistant >>> IISER Thiruvananthapuram > > > > -- Benjamin Shum Evergreener
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Disabling SSL in Evergreen ILS
Hi, There are several relatively simple services (some entirely in-browser) that can get certs from Let's Encrypt available at https://letsencrypt.org/docs/client-options/ . If have control over DNS for your domain, you could set up an external DNS entry for the name of the internal server and receive a cert, then use internal (split-brain) DNS to use that name for a private IP and make use of the cert you generate. These certs are fairly short-lived, but once DNS is set up, the update process is easy. HTH, -- Mike Rylander | President | Equinox Open Library Initiative | phone: 1-877-OPEN-ILS (673-6457) | email: mi...@equinoxinitiative.org | web: http://equinoxinitiative.org On Thu, Mar 30, 2017 at 10:19 AM, Josh Stompro <stomp...@exchange.larl.org> wrote: > StartSSL shouldn’t be used any more. They were banned from Chrome and > Firefox early this year because of reasons including the fact that they were > silently purchased by a Chinese company, and because they were issuing back > dated certificates to get around the SHA-1 phase out. They also allowed > users to get certificates for main domains if they could certify that they > had control of subdomains. > > > > https://arstechnica.com/security/2016/09/firefox-ready-to-block-certificate-authority-that-threatened-web-security/ > > > > Josh Stompro - LARL IT Director > > > > From: Open-ils-general > [mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of > Bill Ott > Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2017 9:10 AM > To: open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.org > Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Disabling SSL in Evergreen ILS > > > > For single server implementations, there are also free certificates > available from organizations like StartSSL. > > > > On 03/30/2017 10:04 AM, Rogan Hamby wrote: > > While SSL on an intranet may not be necessary it still isn't harmful. I may > be of a paranoid bent but you can have security issues even on an intranet, > especially large geographically distributed ones. And with the increasingly > punitive behavior of browsers to punish non-encrypted connections in various > ways (usually with warnings and such) I'd question if it would be easier to > just implement the SSL for the intranet than try to pass around it. > > > > > > > Rogan Hamby > > Data and Project Analyst > > Equinox Open Library Initiative > > phone: 1-877-OPEN-ILS (673-6457) > > email: ro...@equinoxinitiative.org > > web: http://EquinoxInitiative.org > > > > On Thu, Mar 30, 2017 at 10:00 AM, Jason Stephenson <ja...@sigio.com> wrote: > > I should add that the staff client requires SSL and there's no easy way > to chagne that, so you can't completely disable SSL and expect things to > still function properly. > > > > > On 03/30/2017 09:23 AM, Jason Stephenson wrote: >> Jayaraj, >> >> It would be done via the Apache configuration files. You'd move >> everything from the SSL enabled vhost configurations to the non-SSL >> vhosts, i.e everything from the port 443 configuration sections to the >> port 80 configuration. Some of that configuration is duplicated, so only >> the unique things need to go. >> >> There may also be some directives to force SSL on some locations. You'll >> want to remove those also. >> >> I'm writing this from memory without looking at the files, which is >> alway a bad thing to do, but I think that covers it. >> >> HtH, >> Jason >> >> On 03/30/2017 04:16 AM, Jayaraj JR wrote: >>> Hello, >>> >>> Greetings of the day ! >>> >>> SSL or https is a better option as far as security is concerned. But the >>> heightened security level may not be necessary at many times especially >>> while using Evergreen in Intranet. Besides the browser often warns the >>> user that entering to my account in evergreen catalog is dangerous if >>> purchased SSL is not implemented. This may often create confusion for >>> childern and beginning users who are not well versed with computers. >>> They are very often advised to add security exception for accessing the >>> library catalog. >>> >>> It would appreciable, if any option or configuration is available to >>> disable the SSL and to use the full library catalog via http. >>> Kindly advice the configuration to use my account in Evergreen catalog >>> via http itself and not https >>> >>> -- >>> Thanks in Advance, >>> >>> Jayaraj J R >>> Library Information Assistant >>> IISER Thiruvananthapuram > > > >
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Disabling SSL in Evergreen ILS
StartSSL shouldn’t be used any more. They were banned from Chrome and Firefox early this year because of reasons including the fact that they were silently purchased by a Chinese company, and because they were issuing back dated certificates to get around the SHA-1 phase out. They also allowed users to get certificates for main domains if they could certify that they had control of subdomains. https://arstechnica.com/security/2016/09/firefox-ready-to-block-certificate-authority-that-threatened-web-security/ Josh Stompro - LARL IT Director From: Open-ils-general [mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Bill Ott Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2017 9:10 AM To: open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.org Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Disabling SSL in Evergreen ILS For single server implementations, there are also free certificates available from organizations like StartSSL. On 03/30/2017 10:04 AM, Rogan Hamby wrote: While SSL on an intranet may not be necessary it still isn't harmful. I may be of a paranoid bent but you can have security issues even on an intranet, especially large geographically distributed ones. And with the increasingly punitive behavior of browsers to punish non-encrypted connections in various ways (usually with warnings and such) I'd question if it would be easier to just implement the SSL for the intranet than try to pass around it. Rogan Hamby Data and Project Analyst Equinox Open Library Initiative phone: 1-877-OPEN-ILS (673-6457) email: ro...@equinoxinitiative.org<mailto:ro...@equinoxinitiative.org> web: http://EquinoxInitiative.org On Thu, Mar 30, 2017 at 10:00 AM, Jason Stephenson <ja...@sigio.com<mailto:ja...@sigio.com>> wrote: I should add that the staff client requires SSL and there's no easy way to chagne that, so you can't completely disable SSL and expect things to still function properly. On 03/30/2017 09:23 AM, Jason Stephenson wrote: > Jayaraj, > > It would be done via the Apache configuration files. You'd move > everything from the SSL enabled vhost configurations to the non-SSL > vhosts, i.e everything from the port 443 configuration sections to the > port 80 configuration. Some of that configuration is duplicated, so only > the unique things need to go. > > There may also be some directives to force SSL on some locations. You'll > want to remove those also. > > I'm writing this from memory without looking at the files, which is > alway a bad thing to do, but I think that covers it. > > HtH, > Jason > > On 03/30/2017 04:16 AM, Jayaraj JR wrote: >> Hello, >> >> Greetings of the day ! >> >> SSL or https is a better option as far as security is concerned. But the >> heightened security level may not be necessary at many times especially >> while using Evergreen in Intranet. Besides the browser often warns the >> user that entering to my account in evergreen catalog is dangerous if >> purchased SSL is not implemented. This may often create confusion for >> childern and beginning users who are not well versed with computers. >> They are very often advised to add security exception for accessing the >> library catalog. >> >> It would appreciable, if any option or configuration is available to >> disable the SSL and to use the full library catalog via http. >> Kindly advice the configuration to use my account in Evergreen catalog >> via http itself and not https >> >> -- >> Thanks in Advance, >> >> Jayaraj J R >> Library Information Assistant >> IISER Thiruvananthapuram
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Disabling SSL in Evergreen ILS
For single server implementations, there are also free certificates available from organizations like StartSSL. On 03/30/2017 10:04 AM, Rogan Hamby wrote: While SSL on an intranet may not be necessary it still isn't harmful. I may be of a paranoid bent but you can have security issues even on an intranet, especially large geographically distributed ones. And with the increasingly punitive behavior of browsers to punish non-encrypted connections in various ways (usually with warnings and such) I'd question if it would be easier to just implement the SSL for the intranet than try to pass around it. Rogan Hamby Data and Project Analyst Equinox Open Library Initiative phone: 1-877-OPEN-ILS (673-6457) email: ro...@equinoxinitiative.org web: http://EquinoxInitiative.org On Thu, Mar 30, 2017 at 10:00 AM, Jason Stephenson> wrote: I should add that the staff client requires SSL and there's no easy way to chagne that, so you can't completely disable SSL and expect things to still function properly. On 03/30/2017 09:23 AM, Jason Stephenson wrote: > Jayaraj, > > It would be done via the Apache configuration files. You'd move > everything from the SSL enabled vhost configurations to the non-SSL > vhosts, i.e everything from the port 443 configuration sections to the > port 80 configuration. Some of that configuration is duplicated, so only > the unique things need to go. > > There may also be some directives to force SSL on some locations. You'll > want to remove those also. > > I'm writing this from memory without looking at the files, which is > alway a bad thing to do, but I think that covers it. > > HtH, > Jason > > On 03/30/2017 04:16 AM, Jayaraj JR wrote: >> Hello, >> >> Greetings of the day ! >> >> SSL or https is a better option as far as security is concerned. But the >> heightened security level may not be necessary at many times especially >> while using Evergreen in Intranet. Besides the browser often warns the >> user that entering to my account in evergreen catalog is dangerous if >> purchased SSL is not implemented. This may often create confusion for >> childern and beginning users who are not well versed with computers. >> They are very often advised to add security exception for accessing the >> library catalog. >> >> It would appreciable, if any option or configuration is available to >> disable the SSL and to use the full library catalog via http. >> Kindly advice the configuration to use my account in Evergreen catalog >> via http itself and not https >> >> -- >> Thanks in Advance, >> >> Jayaraj J R >> Library Information Assistant >> IISER Thiruvananthapuram
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Disabling SSL in Evergreen ILS
While SSL on an intranet may not be necessary it still isn't harmful. I may be of a paranoid bent but you can have security issues even on an intranet, especially large geographically distributed ones. And with the increasingly punitive behavior of browsers to punish non-encrypted connections in various ways (usually with warnings and such) I'd question if it would be easier to just implement the SSL for the intranet than try to pass around it. Rogan Hamby Data and Project Analyst Equinox Open Library Initiative phone: 1-877-OPEN-ILS (673-6457) email: ro...@equinoxinitiative.org web: http://EquinoxInitiative.org On Thu, Mar 30, 2017 at 10:00 AM, Jason Stephensonwrote: > I should add that the staff client requires SSL and there's no easy way > to chagne that, so you can't completely disable SSL and expect things to > still function properly. > > > > On 03/30/2017 09:23 AM, Jason Stephenson wrote: > > Jayaraj, > > > > It would be done via the Apache configuration files. You'd move > > everything from the SSL enabled vhost configurations to the non-SSL > > vhosts, i.e everything from the port 443 configuration sections to the > > port 80 configuration. Some of that configuration is duplicated, so only > > the unique things need to go. > > > > There may also be some directives to force SSL on some locations. You'll > > want to remove those also. > > > > I'm writing this from memory without looking at the files, which is > > alway a bad thing to do, but I think that covers it. > > > > HtH, > > Jason > > > > On 03/30/2017 04:16 AM, Jayaraj JR wrote: > >> Hello, > >> > >> Greetings of the day ! > >> > >> SSL or https is a better option as far as security is concerned. But the > >> heightened security level may not be necessary at many times especially > >> while using Evergreen in Intranet. Besides the browser often warns the > >> user that entering to my account in evergreen catalog is dangerous if > >> purchased SSL is not implemented. This may often create confusion for > >> childern and beginning users who are not well versed with computers. > >> They are very often advised to add security exception for accessing the > >> library catalog. > >> > >> It would appreciable, if any option or configuration is available to > >> disable the SSL and to use the full library catalog via http. > >> Kindly advice the configuration to use my account in Evergreen catalog > >> via http itself and not https > >> > >> -- > >> Thanks in Advance, > >> > >> Jayaraj J R > >> Library Information Assistant > >> IISER Thiruvananthapuram >
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Disabling SSL in Evergreen ILS
I should add that the staff client requires SSL and there's no easy way to chagne that, so you can't completely disable SSL and expect things to still function properly. On 03/30/2017 09:23 AM, Jason Stephenson wrote: > Jayaraj, > > It would be done via the Apache configuration files. You'd move > everything from the SSL enabled vhost configurations to the non-SSL > vhosts, i.e everything from the port 443 configuration sections to the > port 80 configuration. Some of that configuration is duplicated, so only > the unique things need to go. > > There may also be some directives to force SSL on some locations. You'll > want to remove those also. > > I'm writing this from memory without looking at the files, which is > alway a bad thing to do, but I think that covers it. > > HtH, > Jason > > On 03/30/2017 04:16 AM, Jayaraj JR wrote: >> Hello, >> >> Greetings of the day ! >> >> SSL or https is a better option as far as security is concerned. But the >> heightened security level may not be necessary at many times especially >> while using Evergreen in Intranet. Besides the browser often warns the >> user that entering to my account in evergreen catalog is dangerous if >> purchased SSL is not implemented. This may often create confusion for >> childern and beginning users who are not well versed with computers. >> They are very often advised to add security exception for accessing the >> library catalog. >> >> It would appreciable, if any option or configuration is available to >> disable the SSL and to use the full library catalog via http. >> Kindly advice the configuration to use my account in Evergreen catalog >> via http itself and not https >> >> -- >> Thanks in Advance, >> >> Jayaraj J R >> Library Information Assistant >> IISER Thiruvananthapuram
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Disabling SSL in Evergreen ILS
Jayaraj, It would be done via the Apache configuration files. You'd move everything from the SSL enabled vhost configurations to the non-SSL vhosts, i.e everything from the port 443 configuration sections to the port 80 configuration. Some of that configuration is duplicated, so only the unique things need to go. There may also be some directives to force SSL on some locations. You'll want to remove those also. I'm writing this from memory without looking at the files, which is alway a bad thing to do, but I think that covers it. HtH, Jason On 03/30/2017 04:16 AM, Jayaraj JR wrote: > Hello, > > Greetings of the day ! > > SSL or https is a better option as far as security is concerned. But the > heightened security level may not be necessary at many times especially > while using Evergreen in Intranet. Besides the browser often warns the > user that entering to my account in evergreen catalog is dangerous if > purchased SSL is not implemented. This may often create confusion for > childern and beginning users who are not well versed with computers. > They are very often advised to add security exception for accessing the > library catalog. > > It would appreciable, if any option or configuration is available to > disable the SSL and to use the full library catalog via http. > Kindly advice the configuration to use my account in Evergreen catalog > via http itself and not https > > -- > Thanks in Advance, > > Jayaraj J R > Library Information Assistant > IISER Thiruvananthapuram