Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] New box/new motherboard suggestions

2016-05-14 Thread Dmitry Kozhinov 

You need to consider chassis selection with respect to heat generation /
dissipation


Indeed. Two Xeons would consume 2x120W, which means heat and fan noise. 
I would choose single-processor Core i7 (2.8 GHz, just 35W) fanless 
chassis design, like this: https://www.quietpc.com/sys-a470s (supporting 
processors up to 4 GHz and 91W, still fanless). Or if a 14-core Xeon is 
preferable, like this: https://www.quietpc.com/sys-x490 (this one with 
fan though). For my own needs a compact chassis design would be ideal, 
like this: https://www.quietpc.com/sys-sentinel-fanless-s .


Not sure about OpenIndiana compatibility.

Sorry for slight off-topic if dual processor design is a must for you. 
Maybe someone else would find these links useful.


Dmitry.
P.S. I am not affiliated with quietpc.com, just searching for a new PC. 
I am more inclined to buy a 21.5" Retina iMac lately.


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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] New box/new motherboard suggestions

2016-05-13 Thread Mehmet Erol Sanliturk 
On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 1:22 PM, Jerry Kemp  wrote:

> Thank you for the comments everyone.  They are appreciated.
>
> Sounds like the C612 socket is where I want/need to be.
>
> The embedded audio is important.  I'm not doing anything high end audio
> wise, so I would rather have basic, embedded audio, vs wasting an expansion
> slot.
>
> The frame buffer, OTOH, I don't really care about.  Plans are to just
> stick what ever current, mid range NVIDIA frame buffer is currently
> available, and attach flat screen(s) to it.
>
> Thanks again for everyone's comments so far.  I spend 99% of my time
> tending to what ever is going on in the SPARC world, and I'm just not up to
> speed in the x86/x64 world.
>
> That said, it seems like this is the C612 socket board with embedded sound.
>
> <
> https://www.cdw.com/shop/products/SUPERMICRO-X10DAL-i-motherboard-ATX-LGA2011-v3-Socket-C612/4047227.aspx?pfm=srh
> >
>
> I will probably run with this, unless someone else has additional
> suggestions.
>
>
> Jerry
>
>
>

A customer review in the following page may be useful to consider :


http://www.amazon.com/Supermicro-Motherboard-MBD-X10DAL-I-E5-2600v3-PCI-Express/dp/B00WIM2YAC


Mehmet Erol Sanliturk




>>
>>
>> Chip set of X9DRL ( C606 )  is different from the others ( C612 )  , means
>> it is using older version of Xeon processors which I do not know whether
>> you can find such a processor or not .
>>
>> The others are using Xeon v3 processors which they are not compatible with
>> the above board .
>>
>> Another problem may be , over time , Intel ( it is very likely that will )
>> switch to a new series ( 14nm ) , and it may/will not be possible to find
>> v3 processors ( 22nm )  in case of a replacement requirement ( means you
>> will replace the mother board as well ) .
>>
>>
>> It seems that Intel sockets are not backward compatible .
>>
>>
>> Due to such a non-existence of previous versions of CPUs and
>> incompatibility with new CPUs ,  I have destroyed and throw to waste
>> basket
>> 7 unused new mother boards .
>>
>> Some boards above do not have audio output . If you need audio , you may
>> have to use external audio ( for example USB ) devices , or internal audio
>> add on cards .
>>
>>
>> One main board do not have on board graphics which requires a graphics
>> card
>> . The others have VGA graphics port . Their resolutions are not listed ,
>> but its is very likely that they are around 2000
>> x 1200 ( requires reading their manuals ) . For larger resolution screens
>> ,
>> it is necessary to buy a graphics card again . Higher resolution
>> supporting
>> graphics cards are requiring PCI v3 means it is necessary to study their
>> add on card slot versions and suitability for graphics cards .
>>
>>
>>
>> Mehmet Erol Sanliturk
>> _
>>
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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] New box/new motherboard suggestions

2016-05-13 Thread Mehmet Erol Sanliturk 
On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 1:22 PM, Jerry Kemp  wrote:

> Thank you for the comments everyone.  They are appreciated.
>
> Sounds like the C612 socket is where I want/need to be.
>
> The embedded audio is important.  I'm not doing anything high end audio
> wise, so I would rather have basic, embedded audio, vs wasting an expansion
> slot.
>
> The frame buffer, OTOH, I don't really care about.  Plans are to just
> stick what ever current, mid range NVIDIA frame buffer is currently
> available, and attach flat screen(s) to it.
>
> Thanks again for everyone's comments so far.  I spend 99% of my time
> tending to what ever is going on in the SPARC world, and I'm just not up to
> speed in the x86/x64 world.
>
> That said, it seems like this is the C612 socket board with embedded sound.
>
> <
> https://www.cdw.com/shop/products/SUPERMICRO-X10DAL-i-motherboard-ATX-LGA2011-v3-Socket-C612/4047227.aspx?pfm=srh
> >
>
> I will probably run with this, unless someone else has additional
> suggestions.
>
>
> Jerry
>
>
>

With respect to the information supplied in the following page

http://www.supermicro.com/products/motherboard/Xeon/C600/X10DAL-i.cfm

it is a good board ( I am not a user of such boards , but in those days I
am studying options to assemble a new computer to be usable with 4K
monitors ) .

You need to consider chassis selection with respect to heat generation /
dissipation .


Mehmet Erol Sanliturk



>
>>
>>
>> Chip set of X9DRL ( C606 )  is different from the others ( C612 )  , means
>> it is using older version of Xeon processors which I do not know whether
>> you can find such a processor or not .
>>
>> The others are using Xeon v3 processors which they are not compatible with
>> the above board .
>>
>> Another problem may be , over time , Intel ( it is very likely that will )
>> switch to a new series ( 14nm ) , and it may/will not be possible to find
>> v3 processors ( 22nm )  in case of a replacement requirement ( means you
>> will replace the mother board as well ) .
>>
>>
>> It seems that Intel sockets are not backward compatible .
>>
>>
>> Due to such a non-existence of previous versions of CPUs and
>> incompatibility with new CPUs ,  I have destroyed and throw to waste
>> basket
>> 7 unused new mother boards .
>>
>> Some boards above do not have audio output . If you need audio , you may
>> have to use external audio ( for example USB ) devices , or internal audio
>> add on cards .
>>
>>
>> One main board do not have on board graphics which requires a graphics
>> card
>> . The others have VGA graphics port . Their resolutions are not listed ,
>> but its is very likely that they are around 2000
>> x 1200 ( requires reading their manuals ) . For larger resolution screens
>> ,
>> it is necessary to buy a graphics card again . Higher resolution
>> supporting
>> graphics cards are requiring PCI v3 means it is necessary to study their
>> add on card slot versions and suitability for graphics cards .
>>
>>
>>
>> Mehmet Erol Sanliturk
>> _
>>
>
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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] New box/new motherboard suggestions

2016-05-13 Thread Mehmet Erol Sanliturk 
On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 5:27 AM, Peter Tribble 
wrote:

> On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 3:53 AM, Jerry Kemp 
> wrote:
>
> > I am at a point where I need to build a new box for $HOME, and I believe
> > that unless something else pops up, I'm looking at a SuperMicro ATX
> > motherboard + some Intel CPU's.
> >
> > Right now, I'm looking at these motherboards, but I'm open to something
> > else::
> >
> > <
> >
> https://www.cdw.com/shop/products/SUPERMICRO-X10DAL-i-motherboard-ATX-LGA2011-v3-Socket-C612/4047227.aspx?pfm=srh
> > >
> >
> > <
> >
> https://www.cdw.com/shop/products/SUPERMICRO-X9DRL-3F-motherboard-ATX-LGA2011-Socket-C606/2783863.aspx?pfm=srh
> > >
> >
> > <
> >
> https://www.cdw.com/shop/products/SUPERMICRO-X10DRL-i-motherboard-ATX-LGA2011-v3-Socket-C612/3550684.aspx?pfm=srh#PO
> > >
> >
> > Planed usage:
> >
> > This will be a desktop system, not a server but I want dual CPU's and
> lots
> > of memory to have lots of zones and VM's.
> >
> >
> > Plus some new mid range NVIDIA frame buffer and a new/higher capacity
> > power supply.
> >
> > Staying with ATX size as this is all going into one of my spare Sun Ultra
> > 20 cases.  I will probably uses those forever, or at least till I can't
> use
> > them anymore.
> >
> > Comments on the above motherboards are appreciated.  If you have a better
> > suggestion, that is appreciated.
> >
>
> I don't have any direct experience with those, but the one thing I notice
> is that
> the X10DAL is a workstation (or tower) motherboard; the others are server
> models.
>
> --
> -Peter Tribble
> http://www.petertribble.co.uk/ - http://ptribble.blogspot.com/
> ___
>




Chip set of X9DRL ( C606 )  is different from the others ( C612 )  , means
it is using older version of Xeon processors which I do not know whether
you can find such a processor or not .

The others are using Xeon v3 processors which they are not compatible with
the above board .

Another problem may be , over time , Intel ( it is very likely that will )
switch to a new series ( 14nm ) , and it may/will not be possible to find
v3 processors ( 22nm )  in case of a replacement requirement ( means you
will replace the mother board as well ) .


It seems that Intel sockets are not backward compatible .


Due to such a non-existence of previous versions of CPUs and
incompatibility with new CPUs ,  I have destroyed and throw to waste basket
7 unused new mother boards .

Some boards above do not have audio output . If you need audio , you may
have to use external audio ( for example USB ) devices , or internal audio
add on cards .


One main board do not have on board graphics which requires a graphics card
. The others have VGA graphics port . Their resolutions are not listed ,
but its is very likely that they are around 2000
x 1200 ( requires reading their manuals ) . For larger resolution screens ,
it is necessary to buy a graphics card again . Higher resolution supporting
graphics cards are requiring PCI v3 means it is necessary to study their
add on card slot versions and suitability for graphics cards .



Mehmet Erol Sanliturk
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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] New box/new motherboard suggestions

2016-05-13 Thread Peter Tribble 
On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 3:53 AM, Jerry Kemp  wrote:

> I am at a point where I need to build a new box for $HOME, and I believe
> that unless something else pops up, I'm looking at a SuperMicro ATX
> motherboard + some Intel CPU's.
>
> Right now, I'm looking at these motherboards, but I'm open to something
> else::
>
> <
> https://www.cdw.com/shop/products/SUPERMICRO-X10DAL-i-motherboard-ATX-LGA2011-v3-Socket-C612/4047227.aspx?pfm=srh
> >
>
> <
> https://www.cdw.com/shop/products/SUPERMICRO-X9DRL-3F-motherboard-ATX-LGA2011-Socket-C606/2783863.aspx?pfm=srh
> >
>
> <
> https://www.cdw.com/shop/products/SUPERMICRO-X10DRL-i-motherboard-ATX-LGA2011-v3-Socket-C612/3550684.aspx?pfm=srh#PO
> >
>
> Planed usage:
>
> This will be a desktop system, not a server but I want dual CPU's and lots
> of memory to have lots of zones and VM's.
>
>
> Plus some new mid range NVIDIA frame buffer and a new/higher capacity
> power supply.
>
> Staying with ATX size as this is all going into one of my spare Sun Ultra
> 20 cases.  I will probably uses those forever, or at least till I can't use
> them anymore.
>
> Comments on the above motherboards are appreciated.  If you have a better
> suggestion, that is appreciated.
>

I don't have any direct experience with those, but the one thing I notice
is that
the X10DAL is a workstation (or tower) motherboard; the others are server
models.

-- 
-Peter Tribble
http://www.petertribble.co.uk/ - http://ptribble.blogspot.com/
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