Re: [Openocd-development] Fwd: BerliOS will be closed on 31.12.2011
No mailing list??? -- Øyvind Harboe - Can Zylin Consulting help on your project? US toll free 1-866-980-3434 http://www.zylin.com/ ___ Openocd-development mailing list Openocd-development@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/openocd-development
Re: [Openocd-development] Fwd: BerliOS will be closed on 31.12.2011
Am 01.10.2011 09:02, schrieb Øyvind Harboe: No mailing list??? No. ___ Openocd-development mailing list Openocd-development@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/openocd-development
Re: [Openocd-development] Fwd: BerliOS will be closed on 31.12.2011
Øyvind Harboe wrote: My first instinct is to move the mailing list wholesale to sourceforge. I agree strongly with this. Spencer Oliver wrote: I agree - I will look into it, website aswell. As for website and repositories, a lot of nice integration can be accomplished when self hosting, as I am doing for several projects already. I would be happy to host also the openocd repository(ies) and set up a Trac, which includes a wiki, a ticket system, a source code browser, and repository history view, all nicely integrated. Jim Larson wrote: Any consideration of using github (github.com)? I've been pretty happy with them and they have a huge user base. I am personally very strongly against depending on companies based in the US for open source project infrastructure. I find there are quite significant drawbacks, due to stupid US law and/or due to the service being provided by a business with a clear agenda, which makes it an impossible choice for any self-respecting open source project. Already the very very first condition of github terms and many others completely rule it out IMO: --8-- http://help.github.com/terms-of-service/ A. Account Terms 1. You must be 13 years or older to use this Service. --8-- This is not significant because OpenOCD has so many contributors under the age of 13, but because it is unacceptable IMO that it would be *ILLEGAL* to welcome a young contributor into the project. It is just absurd. Of course the terms continue with more great stuff. //Peter ___ Openocd-development mailing list Openocd-development@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/openocd-development
Re: [Openocd-development] Fwd: BerliOS will be closed on 31.12.2011
Anders Montonen wrote: Øyvind Harboe wrote: My first instinct is to move the mailing list wholesale to sourceforge. I agree strongly with this. ... I am personally very strongly against depending on companies based in the US for open source project infrastructure. lol wut? From http://sourceforge.net/about: SourceForge.net is owned and operated by Geeknet, Inc., a publicly traded US-based company. I expected this. :) Mailing lists are an exception, because participation does not require creating an SF user account. Another less important factor is that open lists require a lot of work to operate (as everyone having operated a mail server knows) and a large operator benefits tremendously from economy of scale, thus can do a very good job at keeping mailing lists efficient and pleasant. //Peter ___ Openocd-development mailing list Openocd-development@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/openocd-development
Re: [Openocd-development] Fwd: BerliOS will be closed on 31.12.2011
On Oct 1, 2011, at 17:34, Peter Stuge wrote: Øyvind Harboe wrote: My first instinct is to move the mailing list wholesale to sourceforge. I agree strongly with this. ... I am personally very strongly against depending on companies based in the US for open source project infrastructure. lol wut? From http://sourceforge.net/about: SourceForge.net is owned and operated by Geeknet, Inc., a publicly traded US-based company. -a___ Openocd-development mailing list Openocd-development@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/openocd-development
Re: [Openocd-development] Fwd: BerliOS will be closed on 31.12.2011
It was just a suggestion, team, based on my own experience. I'm not pushing it, it has shortcomings, and I certainly appreciate the anti-US bias. There is no way to excuse the huge amount of legal baggage that companies in the US must deal with, and the often overt commercial interests. OTOH, a company having some commercial success isn't as likely to just disappear when you need it. So forget about github and get on with finding a new home. On 10/1/2011 7:34 AM, Peter Stuge wrote: Øyvind Harboe wrote: My first instinct is to move the mailing list wholesale to sourceforge. I agree strongly with this. Spencer Oliver wrote: I agree - I will look into it, website aswell. As for website and repositories, a lot of nice integration can be accomplished when self hosting, as I am doing for several projects already. I would be happy to host also the openocd repository(ies) and set up a Trac, which includes a wiki, a ticket system, a source code browser, and repository history view, all nicely integrated. Jim Larson wrote: Any consideration of using github (github.com)? I've been pretty happy with them and they have a huge user base. I am personally very strongly against depending on companies based in the US for open source project infrastructure. I find there are quite significant drawbacks, due to stupid US law and/or due to the service being provided by a business with a clear agenda, which makes it an impossible choice for any self-respecting open source project. Already the very very first condition of github terms and many others completely rule it out IMO: --8-- http://help.github.com/terms-of-service/ A. Account Terms 1. You must be 13 years or older to use this Service. --8-- This is not significant because OpenOCD has so many contributors under the age of 13, but because it is unacceptable IMO that it would be *ILLEGAL* to welcome a young contributor into the project. It is just absurd. Of course the terms continue with more great stuff. //Peter ___ Openocd-development mailing list Openocd-development@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/openocd-development - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1809 / Virus Database: 2085/4530 - Release Date: 09/30/11 ___ Openocd-development mailing list Openocd-development@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/openocd-development
Re: [Openocd-development] Fwd: BerliOS will be closed on 31.12.2011
Le 01/10/2011 10:34, Peter Stuge a écrit : I am personally very strongly against depending on companies based in the US for open source project infrastructure. I find there are quite significant drawbacks, due to stupid US law and/or due to the service being provided by a business with a clear agenda, which makes it an impossible choice for any self-respecting open source project. Already the very very first condition of github terms and many others completely rule it out IMO: The anti-American stand is pure stupidity. Find better arguments to discredit any site. As for assuming that an American company is likely to be anti opensource, it is ridiculous. Some are and some are not, as in any other countries in the world. Some people should stick to facts and stop taking their information out of their behind. Having worked on project for Sourceforge for many years I think that Sourceforge is one of the best site for Open Source Michel -- For OS/2 and Linux Software visit http://home.comcast.net/~mcatudal ___ Openocd-development mailing list Openocd-development@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/openocd-development
Re: [Openocd-development] Fwd: BerliOS will be closed on 31.12.2011
Michel Catudal wrote: I am personally very strongly against depending on companies based in the US for open source project infrastructure. I find there are quite significant drawbacks, due to stupid US law and/or due to the service being provided by a business with a clear agenda, which makes it an impossible choice for any self-respecting open source project. Already the very very first condition of github terms and many others completely rule it out IMO: The anti-American stand is pure stupidity. Find better arguments to discredit any site. I think you misunderstood. It does not matter that a service provider is American, it matters that the service provider is bound by US law, because that means that the service can only be made available under silly terms. I tried to make this clear with the example. As for assuming that an American company is likely to be anti opensource, it is ridiculous. The purpose of every company in every country is to generate profit for the company, which is in some cases perfectly compatible with the aim of a given open source project, and in other cases not so much. In any case, how the company purpose expresses itself can change quickly, while self hosting has none of these problems and great technical advantages in addition. Some people should stick to facts and stop taking their information out of their behind. Yes, calling someone stupid and ridiculous is much better. Having worked on project for Sourceforge for many years I think that Sourceforge is one of the best site for Open Source It's unclear what you mean here, but I think you mean that you worked with development of SF infrastructure. As I already wrote, large operators benefit from economy of scale. For the case of SF mailing lists and the FRS (SF download hosting) I think it is a great move to allow our project to take advantage of this. But I think that the SF services that require a user account are not nearly open enough for a project that wants to call itself open. Sorry if you are offended by this opinion. //Peter ___ Openocd-development mailing list Openocd-development@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/openocd-development
[Openocd-development] Fwd: BerliOS will be closed on 31.12.2011
FYI, My first instinct is to move the mailing list wholesale to sourceforge. -- Forwarded message -- From: ad...@berlios.de Date: 2011/9/30 Subject: BerliOS will be closed on 31.12.2011 To: ad...@berlios.de Sehr geehrte BerliOS Entwickler und Anwender, BerliOS wurde vor 10 Jahren als eines der ersten Repositories in Europa gegründet. Es wurde von Fraunhofer FOKUS entwickelt und gepflegt. Als ein europäisches, nicht proprietäres Projekt verfolgt BerliOS das Ziel, die verschiedenen Open-Source-Akteure zu unterstützen und eine neutrale Vermittlerfunktion zu bieten. 2011 wurden 4710 Projekte auf BerliOS gehosted, mit 50.000 registrierten Nutzern und über 2,6 Millionen Dateien Downloads jeden Monat. Wir sind stolz, dass wir mit BerliOS die Idee eines OSS-Repository nach Europa gebracht haben. Mittlerweile hat sich das Konzept durchgesetzt und es gibt zahlreiche gute Alternativen. Leider hat ein Forschungsinstitut wie Fraunhofer FOKUS nur wenig Möglichkeiten, langfristig ein Repository wie BerliOS zu betreiben. Ein solches Projekt funktioniert nur, wenn es gelingt, eine Anschlussfinanzierung zu finden, bzw. Sponsoren oder Partner zu gewinnen, die das Repository übernehmen. Das ist im OSS-Bereich ein schwieriges Unterfangen. In einer kürzlich durchgeführten Umfrage haben wir zwar Unterstützung an Geldmitteln und Arbeitsleistung signalisiert bekommen, für die wir uns bedanken. Leider reicht das Ergebnis aber nicht aus, um das Projekt auf eine nachhaltige finanzielle Basis zu stellen. Auch die Suche nach Sponsoren oder Partnern war leider erfolglos. Open Source wird bei Fraunhofer FOKUS als Paradigma für zukunftsweisenden intelligenten IT-Einsatz verstanden. Es schmerzt uns deshalb um so mehr, dass wir gezwungen sind, den Betrieb von BerliOS zum 31.12.2011 einzustellen. * Als Entwickler sollten Sie Ihre BerliOS Projekte in ein anderes Repository exportieren. Alternativen siehe http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_open_source_software_hosting_facilities * Auf unserer Website finden Sie einen Leitfaden, wie Sie Ihre Projektdaten aus dem Portal exportieren und in einer anderen Plattform überführen können, siehe http://developer.berlios.de/docman/display_doc.php?docid=2055group_id=2 Fraunhofer FOKUS hat nach wie vor ein starkes Engagement für Open Source und Interoperabilität, engagiert sich erfolgreich in zahlreichen OSS-Projekten. Das Institut konzentriert sich auf die Entwicklung von Qualitätsstandards für Open Source Software und dabei insbesondere auf die technische, semantische und organisatorische Interoperabilität zwischen einzelnen Open Source Software Komponenten sowie zwischen Open Source und Closed Source Software. Beispiel für unsere OSS-Aktivitäten ist unter anderem unsere Leitung des deutschen QualiPSo Competence Center. Wir bedanken uns bei allen, die über die Jahre BerliOS genutzt haben. Fraunhofer FOKUS www.fokus.fraunhofer.de Dear BerliOS developers and users, BerliOS was founded 10 years ago as one of the first repositories in Europe. It was developed and maintained by Fraunhofer FOKUS. As an European, non-proprietary project BerliOS pursued the goal to support the various open-source players and provide a neutral mediator function. In 2011 over 4710 projects have been hosted on BerliOS, with 50,000 registered users and over 2.6 million file downloads each month. We are proud that with BerliOS we have brought the idea of an OSS repository to Europe. Meanwhile, the concept has prevailed and there are many good alternatives. Unfortunately, as a research institute Fraunhofer FOKUS has only few opportunities to operate a repository like BerliOS. Such a project will only work with a follow-up financing, or with sponsors or partners taking over the repository. In the field of OSS this is a difficult undertaking. In a recent survey the community indicated some support in funds and manpower which we would like to thank you for. Unfortunately, the result is not enough to put the project on a sustainable financial basis. In addition the search for sponsors or partners was unsuccessful. Open Source is understood by Fraunhofer FOKUS as a paradigm for future-oriented intelligent use of IT. It hurts us all the more that we are forced to discontinue the hosting for BerliOS by 31.12.2011. * As a developer, you should export your BerliOS project into another repository. Alternatives see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_open_source_software_hosting_facilities * On our site you will find a guide on how to get your project data out of the portal and migrate it in a different platform, see http://developer.berlios.de/docman/display_doc.php?docid=2056group_id=2 Fraunhofer FOKUS has a strong commitment to open source and interoperability, and is involved in numerous successful OSS projects. The institute focuses on the development of quality standards for open source software and in particular on the technical, semantic and organizational interoperability between open
Re: [Openocd-development] Fwd: BerliOS will be closed on 31.12.2011
I agree - I will look into it, website aswell. Spen On Sep 30, 2011 6:47 PM, Øyvind Harboe oyvind.har...@zylin.com wrote: FYI, My first instinct is to move the mailing list wholesale to sourceforge. -- Forwarded message -- From: ad...@berlios.de Date: 2011/9/30 Subject: BerliOS will be closed on 31.12.2011 To: ad...@berlios.de Sehr geehrte BerliOS Entwickler und Anwender, BerliOS wurde vor 10 Jahren als eines der ersten Repositories in Europa gegründet. Es wurde von Fraunhofer FOKUS entwickelt und gepflegt. Als ein europäisches, nicht proprietäres Projekt verfolgt BerliOS das Ziel, die verschiedenen Open-Source-Akteure zu unterstützen und eine neutrale Vermittlerfunktion zu bieten. 2011 wurden 4710 Projekte auf BerliOS gehosted, mit 50.000 registrierten Nutzern und über 2,6 Millionen Dateien Downloads jeden Monat. Wir sind stolz, dass wir mit BerliOS die Idee eines OSS-Repository nach Europa gebracht haben. Mittlerweile hat sich das Konzept durchgesetzt und es gibt zahlreiche gute Alternativen. Leider hat ein Forschungsinstitut wie Fraunhofer FOKUS nur wenig Möglichkeiten, langfristig ein Repository wie BerliOS zu betreiben. Ein solches Projekt funktioniert nur, wenn es gelingt, eine Anschlussfinanzierung zu finden, bzw. Sponsoren oder Partner zu gewinnen, die das Repository übernehmen. Das ist im OSS-Bereich ein schwieriges Unterfangen. In einer kürzlich durchgeführten Umfrage haben wir zwar Unterstützung an Geldmitteln und Arbeitsleistung signalisiert bekommen, für die wir uns bedanken. Leider reicht das Ergebnis aber nicht aus, um das Projekt auf eine nachhaltige finanzielle Basis zu stellen. Auch die Suche nach Sponsoren oder Partnern war leider erfolglos. Open Source wird bei Fraunhofer FOKUS als Paradigma für zukunftsweisenden intelligenten IT-Einsatz verstanden. Es schmerzt uns deshalb um so mehr, dass wir gezwungen sind, den Betrieb von BerliOS zum 31.12.2011 einzustellen. * Als Entwickler sollten Sie Ihre BerliOS Projekte in ein anderes Repository exportieren. Alternativen siehe http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_open_source_software_hosting_facilities * Auf unserer Website finden Sie einen Leitfaden, wie Sie Ihre Projektdaten aus dem Portal exportieren und in einer anderen Plattform überführen können, siehe http://developer.berlios.de/docman/display_doc.php?docid=2055group_id=2 Fraunhofer FOKUS hat nach wie vor ein starkes Engagement für Open Source und Interoperabilität, engagiert sich erfolgreich in zahlreichen OSS-Projekten. Das Institut konzentriert sich auf die Entwicklung von Qualitätsstandards für Open Source Software und dabei insbesondere auf die technische, semantische und organisatorische Interoperabilität zwischen einzelnen Open Source Software Komponenten sowie zwischen Open Source und Closed Source Software. Beispiel für unsere OSS-Aktivitäten ist unter anderem unsere Leitung des deutschen QualiPSo Competence Center. Wir bedanken uns bei allen, die über die Jahre BerliOS genutzt haben. Fraunhofer FOKUS www.fokus.fraunhofer.de Dear BerliOS developers and users, BerliOS was founded 10 years ago as one of the first repositories in Europe. It was developed and maintained by Fraunhofer FOKUS. As an European, non-proprietary project BerliOS pursued the goal to support the various open-source players and provide a neutral mediator function. In 2011 over 4710 projects have been hosted on BerliOS, with 50,000 registered users and over 2.6 million file downloads each month. We are proud that with BerliOS we have brought the idea of an OSS repository to Europe. Meanwhile, the concept has prevailed and there are many good alternatives. Unfortunately, as a research institute Fraunhofer FOKUS has only few opportunities to operate a repository like BerliOS. Such a project will only work with a follow-up financing, or with sponsors or partners taking over the repository. In the field of OSS this is a difficult undertaking. In a recent survey the community indicated some support in funds and manpower which we would like to thank you for. Unfortunately, the result is not enough to put the project on a sustainable financial basis. In addition the search for sponsors or partners was unsuccessful. Open Source is understood by Fraunhofer FOKUS as a paradigm for future-oriented intelligent use of IT. It hurts us all the more that we are forced to discontinue the hosting for BerliOS by 31.12.2011. * As a developer, you should export your BerliOS project into another repository. Alternatives see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_open_source_software_hosting_facilities * On our site you will find a guide on how to get your project data out of the portal and migrate it in a different platform, see http://developer.berlios.de/docman/display_doc.php?docid=2056group_id=2 Fraunhofer FOKUS has a strong commitment to open source and interoperability, and is
Re: [Openocd-development] Fwd: BerliOS will be closed on 31.12.2011
On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 5:47 PM, Øyvind Harboe oyvind.har...@zylin.com wrote: FYI, My first instinct is to move the mailing list wholesale to sourceforge. sf.net if ok, i use it for some projects, urjtag use is as well. sad that another open source project meets void. -- CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info ___ Openocd-development mailing list Openocd-development@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/openocd-development
Re: [Openocd-development] Fwd: BerliOS will be closed on 31.12.2011
Any consideration of using github (github.com)? I've been pretty happy with them and they have a huge user base. -jim On 9/30/2011 3:18 PM, Tomek CEDRO wrote: On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 5:47 PM, Øyvind Harboeoyvind.har...@zylin.com wrote: FYI, My first instinct is to move the mailing list wholesale to sourceforge. sf.net if ok, i use it for some projects, urjtag use is as well. sad that another open source project meets void. ___ Openocd-development mailing list Openocd-development@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/openocd-development
Re: [Openocd-development] Fwd: BerliOS will be closed on 31.12.2011
On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 12:45 AM, Jim Larson jlar...@pacifier.com wrote: Any consideration of using github (github.com)? I've been pretty happy with them and they have a huge user base. I haven't used them. Would you mind explaining the major features of github to the list? -- Øyvind Harboe - Can Zylin Consulting help on your project? US toll free 1-866-980-3434 http://www.zylin.com/ ___ Openocd-development mailing list Openocd-development@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/openocd-development
Re: [Openocd-development] Fwd: BerliOS will be closed on 31.12.2011
I'm hardly an expert on github, but some features include source code repository and version control (using git, as you might imagine), a wiki for documentation, issue tracking tools, and project management tools (I haven't used the last two). You can see what I did for my attempt at OpenOCD Flash memory driver documentation and tutorial here: https://github.com/doctek/COOCDFlash/wiki One thing lacking (and perhaps a deal-breaker) is a forum for the project. This would need to be hosted elsewhere. On 9/30/2011 9:41 PM, Øyvind Harboe wrote: On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 12:45 AM, Jim Larsonjlar...@pacifier.com wrote: Any consideration of using github (github.com)? I've been pretty happy with them and they have a huge user base. I haven't used them. Would you mind explaining the major features of github to the list? ___ Openocd-development mailing list Openocd-development@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/openocd-development
