Re: Website Contribution
Hi; I'm a big fan of static pages. They cache easily. They can run from a local disk. What are your thoughts on Doxygen? Allan -- misspelled on my iDevice ; +1-424-242-2668 On Jul 3, 2014, at 11:55, Michael \Croydon\ K. g...@rvapps.org wrote: Of course WML is just a tool which generates in the end the HTML, CSS and JS output. And we need a dynamic generation in the background. Pure HTML + CSS is pure pain and a lot worse than the current state. Means a no-go. But WML is a bit outdated and does very likely stopping people from sending patches/commit. So in my opinion there are basically two options: 1. Modernize just the front-end and keep WML. Create a nicer design without images, don't use inline css ... 2. Replace WML with something better AND modernize the front-end. In this case I suggesting strongly PHP. When Im looking into the web repo I'm sure the porting to PHP is going very fast since the website itself is very static right now. This should also make it easier to maintain the content in the long-run. I would prefer to refactoring the website completely. But no matter what, to bring a bit more life into it, GitHub can help. -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 If there's genuine interest in modernising the OpenSSL website with HTML CSS instead of wml I'd be willing to code something up. I can't promise to work particularly quickly, but if there's a desire to generate a new website design I'm certainly willing to chuck a decent amount of time into making that happen. I could always make it a Github project and that way folks could just chip in where they wanted to. On copyright grounds we'd probably need permission from Steve H or Steve M to do that on Github, given that we'd be touching the OpenSSL 'brand' and such. Dominyk Sent from Thunderbird for OS X. My PGP public key is automatically attached to this email. On 29/06/2014 04:01, Salz, Rich wrote: The website is written using a tool called wml. It would be great if someone wanted to make it more modern and properly use things like CSS. Then it might make sense to put it into a github repository. Want to volunteer? -- Principal Security Engineer Akamai Technologies, Cambridge, MA IM: rs...@jabber.me; Twitter: RichSalz :��IϮ��r�m (���Z+�7�zZ)���1���x ��h���W^��^��%�� -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: GPGTools - https://gpgtools.org Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJTsF6LAAoJEIclJNuddDJspRgP/0YX6PEHy6oczGtnyaWJYtH8 FRsGE8HA2lZroNEPfTQxJTr+vBsMNf3+rofM2k5BGAkQwhpil/bEW32vzGR/KzZm cr9giZntzLcF+GKIgl7pftJeWUu3F/IVHHdgiMQgjNSgLh7LTRxiQb+s1l4XJHCN 7FSwqASD0Bs4UGRJi955F2NyPmjJ1OkBLDzeoLLrOfc/ez221asy/Aa2YWDRJb78 0gKF8X9sOfChb/Uc4/xnq9imof1X5hfrA6ohRHLiFw9dKKf7Mq44EvgzMAyWjqYC vGURh+vEvQi6v3jvbs7soZPQ43Vm8qdNy8rfPtX5kCQAR+liPLuI/tNVcIqLGhYD LWaOejmqo1wYE7UPfBvxYKuIJFHliFSTCtmfcvbyj4KTLP4jh5B/bipI2ckR3aIb KoaH0mmDi3sAq7P6IRjs4HWHAXbN9trb/t55ocyFKxc8RY1gtdPy6hQghU6RnOx8 MdKe/Y1kpTjFx8e4rroUsU83xciXn73MIeGwsgewisEOKmES9CokXWF+CgFGsAdF J/IB9uNhoy5o3+g73aMDZzH00EjUA84W9/q62OKmB+WC9dXWYSjO+DiQAxhBOOlF w+nT6nft2rHSeKhaWIOwVm+HEPkxp807vuD3htLgykhSOEDV0DKYTtUNm9ZYkErM 2KL4PydPD0WkamgBj4MC =wrlC -END PGP SIGNATURE- __ OpenSSL Project http://www.openssl.org Development Mailing List openssl-dev@openssl.org Automated List Manager majord...@openssl.org __ OpenSSL Project http://www.openssl.org Development Mailing List openssl-dev@openssl.org Automated List Manager majord...@openssl.org
Re: Website Contribution
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Jekyll Sass are another two strong candidates IMO. Dom Sent from Thunderbird for OS X. My PGP public key is automatically attached to this email. On 03/07/2014 20:38, Allan Clark wrote: Hi; I'm a big fan of static pages. They cache easily. They can run from a local disk. What are your thoughts on Doxygen? Allan -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: GPGTools - https://gpgtools.org Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJTtvlAAAoJEIclJNuddDJs+HAP/0z7lG1kiQheJhzkJu0O79fH 8U8H9AuDiYDnfSEqh1lKHUMF/lIdPUvk5Kcjntd1fOVNZiQ/0pUQP32VMuMmCGYv b9/qlXdJKTe/odxraAf2Zs/YK1sVqMWHpBvKwHMgfG0SW0r87FCYLd5R8j3nnCke xjxPA5ZsqXEB752I7pozSV34ymQqsI64a6Q2fyV8QP8QKkFuCQNKULMY+sTV/yL0 DVs6xjrUNf0NRepA4YFdhaue79UZHQqO0inoFZlGw/0jNBDcD++BpoBvvK2Jf2pZ w2y+U89bvOz9JjoyiHpiVDozJV9UasgqnOpvnkL0yppuav06wLs5kvSLEAnmETIq Ejt9sqfoVno9HGDl/gposmpBgmfR7r0Gvd8AhMQ6T7XH2TxKiHhmP6eveKL0kQx1 +GciscstHgQsbhHrBUhs/TWs9dmLbAiGAOBmLcZApECIoHVIrfHaLw3rupbHr6w0 N71j9ayRWvjIPbGQqfAjwFjENvldqlmnMYaDFDsG9rvcSj4IY730TXmbZhgt3Rm8 V2tL2zvg1lAChjpjJYg6KXoPp8v3/Hu968xuAaNgP4iVr1QaFA8a3qlfUYFM9y7j 8cuWmwco3INFjpwGodfXm1FHh+q7Ohei3RxLT52Mu4e5pcPvMwFCQ/DtiPSyJE40 WRFlPZw5msQLxiAmrbxf =GBPc -END PGP SIGNATURE- 0x9D74326C.asc Description: application/pgp-keys 0x9D74326C.asc.sig Description: Binary data
Re: Website Contribution
Of course WML is just a tool which generates in the end the HTML, CSS and JS output. And we need a dynamic generation in the background. Pure HTML + CSS is pure pain and a lot worse than the current state. Means a no-go. But WML is a bit outdated and does very likely stopping people from sending patches/commit. So in my opinion there are basically two options: 1. Modernize just the front-end and keep WML. Create a nicer design without images, don't use inline css ... 2. Replace WML with something better AND modernize the front-end. In this case I suggesting strongly PHP. When Im looking into the web repo I'm sure the porting to PHP is going very fast since the website itself is very static right now. This should also make it easier to maintain the content in the long-run. I would prefer to refactoring the website completely. But no matter what, to bring a bit more life into it, GitHub can help. -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 If there's genuine interest in modernising the OpenSSL website with HTML CSS instead of wml I'd be willing to code something up. I can't promise to work particularly quickly, but if there's a desire to generate a new website design I'm certainly willing to chuck a decent amount of time into making that happen. I could always make it a Github project and that way folks could just chip in where they wanted to. On copyright grounds we'd probably need permission from Steve H or Steve M to do that on Github, given that we'd be touching the OpenSSL 'brand' and such. Dominyk Sent from Thunderbird for OS X. My PGP public key is automatically attached to this email. On 29/06/2014 04:01, Salz, Rich wrote: The website is written using a tool called wml. It would be great if someone wanted to make it more modern and properly use things like CSS. Then it might make sense to put it into a github repository. Want to volunteer? -- Principal Security Engineer Akamai Technologies, Cambridge, MA IM: rs...@jabber.me; Twitter: RichSalz :��IϮ��r�m (���Z+�7�zZ)���1���x ��h���W^��^��%�� -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: GPGTools - https://gpgtools.org Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJTsF6LAAoJEIclJNuddDJspRgP/0YX6PEHy6oczGtnyaWJYtH8 FRsGE8HA2lZroNEPfTQxJTr+vBsMNf3+rofM2k5BGAkQwhpil/bEW32vzGR/KzZm cr9giZntzLcF+GKIgl7pftJeWUu3F/IVHHdgiMQgjNSgLh7LTRxiQb+s1l4XJHCN 7FSwqASD0Bs4UGRJi955F2NyPmjJ1OkBLDzeoLLrOfc/ez221asy/Aa2YWDRJb78 0gKF8X9sOfChb/Uc4/xnq9imof1X5hfrA6ohRHLiFw9dKKf7Mq44EvgzMAyWjqYC vGURh+vEvQi6v3jvbs7soZPQ43Vm8qdNy8rfPtX5kCQAR+liPLuI/tNVcIqLGhYD LWaOejmqo1wYE7UPfBvxYKuIJFHliFSTCtmfcvbyj4KTLP4jh5B/bipI2ckR3aIb KoaH0mmDi3sAq7P6IRjs4HWHAXbN9trb/t55ocyFKxc8RY1gtdPy6hQghU6RnOx8 MdKe/Y1kpTjFx8e4rroUsU83xciXn73MIeGwsgewisEOKmES9CokXWF+CgFGsAdF J/IB9uNhoy5o3+g73aMDZzH00EjUA84W9/q62OKmB+WC9dXWYSjO+DiQAxhBOOlF w+nT6nft2rHSeKhaWIOwVm+HEPkxp807vuD3htLgykhSOEDV0DKYTtUNm9ZYkErM 2KL4PydPD0WkamgBj4MC =wrlC -END PGP SIGNATURE- __ OpenSSL Project http://www.openssl.org Development Mailing List openssl-dev@openssl.org Automated List Manager majord...@openssl.org
Re: Website Contribution
That was my main motivation to subscribe to the mailing lists and drop here a line. Yes, as I wrote at the beginning I would like to contribute and help to make the website more modern and thats why I would like to see it on GitHub. __ OpenSSL Project http://www.openssl.org Development Mailing List openssl-dev@openssl.org Automated List Manager majord...@openssl.org
Re: Website Contribution
On 21/06/2014 9:20 AM, Michael Croydon K. wrote: I would like to see the git website repository also on Github. Exactly like it's done with the openssl library. I would likely going to contribute some improvements since I'm thinking the website needs that more than urgent. Do you have specific areas that you feel need addressing more than others? The /related/ area has already been tidied up ... Thanks, Tim. __ OpenSSL Project http://www.openssl.org Development Mailing List openssl-dev@openssl.org Automated List Manager majord...@openssl.org I'm not talking about the content I mean the design of the website and that outdated code. Sorry if I was inexact. Is there any argument against publishing the web repo on GitHub? It would make contributing easier... Have a nice day :) __ OpenSSL Project http://www.openssl.org Development Mailing List openssl-dev@openssl.org Automated List Manager majord...@openssl.org
RE: Website Contribution
(Sorry if this is a duplicate message.) Right now the website is written in WML (http://thewml.org) so it's not clear how useful it would be to put the pages up on github. I think it would be great if they were converted to HTML+CSS. Then it would make more sense. /r$ -- Principal Security Engineer Akamai Technologies, Cambridge, MA IM: rs...@jabber.me; Twitter: RichSalz
Re: Website Contribution
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 If there's genuine interest in modernising the OpenSSL website with HTML CSS instead of wml I'd be willing to code something up. I can't promise to work particularly quickly, but if there's a desire to generate a new website design I'm certainly willing to chuck a decent amount of time into making that happen. I could always make it a Github project and that way folks could just chip in where they wanted to. On copyright grounds we'd probably need permission from Steve H or Steve M to do that on Github, given that we'd be touching the OpenSSL 'brand' and such. Dominyk Sent from Thunderbird for OS X. My PGP public key is automatically attached to this email. On 29/06/2014 04:01, Salz, Rich wrote: The website is written using a tool called wml. It would be great if someone wanted to make it more modern and properly use things like CSS. Then it might make sense to put it into a github repository. Want to volunteer? -- Principal Security Engineer Akamai Technologies, Cambridge, MA IM: rs...@jabber.me; Twitter: RichSalz :��IϮ��r�m (���Z+�7�zZ)���1���x ��h���W^��^��%�� -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: GPGTools - https://gpgtools.org Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJTsF6LAAoJEIclJNuddDJspRgP/0YX6PEHy6oczGtnyaWJYtH8 FRsGE8HA2lZroNEPfTQxJTr+vBsMNf3+rofM2k5BGAkQwhpil/bEW32vzGR/KzZm cr9giZntzLcF+GKIgl7pftJeWUu3F/IVHHdgiMQgjNSgLh7LTRxiQb+s1l4XJHCN 7FSwqASD0Bs4UGRJi955F2NyPmjJ1OkBLDzeoLLrOfc/ez221asy/Aa2YWDRJb78 0gKF8X9sOfChb/Uc4/xnq9imof1X5hfrA6ohRHLiFw9dKKf7Mq44EvgzMAyWjqYC vGURh+vEvQi6v3jvbs7soZPQ43Vm8qdNy8rfPtX5kCQAR+liPLuI/tNVcIqLGhYD LWaOejmqo1wYE7UPfBvxYKuIJFHliFSTCtmfcvbyj4KTLP4jh5B/bipI2ckR3aIb KoaH0mmDi3sAq7P6IRjs4HWHAXbN9trb/t55ocyFKxc8RY1gtdPy6hQghU6RnOx8 MdKe/Y1kpTjFx8e4rroUsU83xciXn73MIeGwsgewisEOKmES9CokXWF+CgFGsAdF J/IB9uNhoy5o3+g73aMDZzH00EjUA84W9/q62OKmB+WC9dXWYSjO+DiQAxhBOOlF w+nT6nft2rHSeKhaWIOwVm+HEPkxp807vuD3htLgykhSOEDV0DKYTtUNm9ZYkErM 2KL4PydPD0WkamgBj4MC =wrlC -END PGP SIGNATURE- 0x9D74326C.asc Description: application/pgp-keys 0x9D74326C.asc.sig Description: Binary data
Re: Website Contribution
Hmm... Of course I can understand the purpose of a website modernization... but I really think that, as for every other website, the first question is : what is the purpose of the website.. then : what can be/should be its mission and then : what can be / should be its content.. And thenwhen the what and why question are answered the how can come up. For me, I think that the purpose and content of the website are quite obvious, and appear to be by will quite limited and focused. Particularly now that the wiki is in place. My sole concern is the synchronisation with the wiki on one side, the time-cycle of inclusion of communtiy patches (and apparently this point is quite accelerating these days with, among others, Rich Salz), and the synchronisation with the rt website on another side. And I would add that I would not understand that possible patch on a possible github repository of the website itself, be taken in account by dev team while other patch are pending on the openssl lib , sometimes for years. So... Regards Pierre Le 29/06/2014 20:44, Dominyk Tiller a écrit : -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 If there's genuine interest in modernising the OpenSSL website with HTML CSS instead of wml I'd be willing to code something up. I can't promise to work particularly quickly, but if there's a desire to generate a new website design I'm certainly willing to chuck a decent amount of time into making that happen. I could always make it a Github project and that way folks could just chip in where they wanted to. On copyright grounds we'd probably need permission from Steve H or Steve M to do that on Github, given that we'd be touching the OpenSSL 'brand' and such. Dominyk Sent from Thunderbird for OS X. My PGP public key is automatically attached to this email. On 29/06/2014 04:01, Salz, Rich wrote: The website is written using a tool called wml. It would be great if someone wanted to make it more modern and properly use things like CSS. Then it might make sense to put it into a github repository. Want to volunteer? -- Principal Security Engineer Akamai Technologies, Cambridge, MA IM: rs...@jabber.me; Twitter: RichSalz :��IϮ��r�m (���Z+�7�zZ)���1���x ��h���W^��^��%�� -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: GPGTools - https://gpgtools.org Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJTsF6LAAoJEIclJNuddDJspRgP/0YX6PEHy6oczGtnyaWJYtH8 FRsGE8HA2lZroNEPfTQxJTr+vBsMNf3+rofM2k5BGAkQwhpil/bEW32vzGR/KzZm cr9giZntzLcF+GKIgl7pftJeWUu3F/IVHHdgiMQgjNSgLh7LTRxiQb+s1l4XJHCN 7FSwqASD0Bs4UGRJi955F2NyPmjJ1OkBLDzeoLLrOfc/ez221asy/Aa2YWDRJb78 0gKF8X9sOfChb/Uc4/xnq9imof1X5hfrA6ohRHLiFw9dKKf7Mq44EvgzMAyWjqYC vGURh+vEvQi6v3jvbs7soZPQ43Vm8qdNy8rfPtX5kCQAR+liPLuI/tNVcIqLGhYD LWaOejmqo1wYE7UPfBvxYKuIJFHliFSTCtmfcvbyj4KTLP4jh5B/bipI2ckR3aIb KoaH0mmDi3sAq7P6IRjs4HWHAXbN9trb/t55ocyFKxc8RY1gtdPy6hQghU6RnOx8 MdKe/Y1kpTjFx8e4rroUsU83xciXn73MIeGwsgewisEOKmES9CokXWF+CgFGsAdF J/IB9uNhoy5o3+g73aMDZzH00EjUA84W9/q62OKmB+WC9dXWYSjO+DiQAxhBOOlF w+nT6nft2rHSeKhaWIOwVm+HEPkxp807vuD3htLgykhSOEDV0DKYTtUNm9ZYkErM 2KL4PydPD0WkamgBj4MC =wrlC -END PGP SIGNATURE- __ OpenSSL Project http://www.openssl.org Development Mailing List openssl-dev@openssl.org Automated List Manager majord...@openssl.org
Re: Website Contribution
On 21/06/2014 9:20 AM, Michael Croydon K. wrote: I would like to see the git website repository also on Github. Exactly like it's done with the openssl library. I would likely going to contribute some improvements since I'm thinking the website needs that more than urgent. Do you have specific areas that you feel need addressing more than others? The /related/ area has already been tidied up ... Thanks, Tim. I'm not talking about the content I mean the design of the website and that outdated code. Sorry if I was inexact. Is there any argument against publishing the web repo on GitHub? It would make contributing easier... Have a nice day (Sorry Tim that I send you this now for the third time. I didn't sent it to the mailing list before thanks the fact that I pressed the wrong buttons...) __ OpenSSL Project http://www.openssl.org Development Mailing List openssl-dev@openssl.org Automated List Manager majord...@openssl.org
RE: Website Contribution
The website is written using a tool called wml. It would be great if someone wanted to make it more modern and properly use things like CSS. Then it might make sense to put it into a github repository. Want to volunteer? -- Principal Security Engineer Akamai Technologies, Cambridge, MA IM: rs...@jabber.me; Twitter: RichSalz
