Re: [Openstack] Angry People and OpenStack
+1 :) Nuage Co - Razique Mahrouarazique.mahr...@gmail.com Le 2 août 2012 à 06:17, Atul Jha atul@csscorp.com a écrit :Hi,snipi believe openstack is the best :0/snipIndeed it is.snipif the model of open and transparency still issue, we can fix anyway/snipI don`t see there is any. Its just there are certain section of people who are bound to create FUD and act as TROLL. What we can simply do is to ignore them. :)Cheers!!Atul Jhahttp://www.csscorp.com/common/email-disclaimer.php___Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstackPost to : openstack@lists.launchpad.netUnsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstackMore help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Openstack] Angry People and OpenStack
On Aug 1, 2012, at 11:17 PM, Atul Jha atul@csscorp.com wrote: I don`t see there is any. Its just there are certain section of people who are bound to create FUD and act as TROLL. What we can simply do is to ignore them. :) This is a dangerous attitude here. People who criticize are haters and should be ignored. Stick your head in the sand and ignore the fact that OpenStack governance has a huge trust problem, that the product has stability and compatibility issues. Attack me for criticizing OpenStack when on a daily basis I am doing a lot of work to get into real world deployments. In the mean time, I know people on this list heaping plenty of public praise on OpenStack who are actively pushing people in private towards alternatives. Yeah, that'll work really well. -George -- George Reese - Chief Technology Officer, enStratus e: george.re...@enstratus.comSkype: nspollutiont: @GeorgeReesep: +1.207.956.0217 enStratus: Enterprise Cloud Management - @enStratus - http://www.enstratus.com To schedule a meeting with me: http://tungle.me/GeorgeReese ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Openstack] Angry People and OpenStack
On Thu 02 Aug 2012 07:19:28 AM PDT, George Reese wrote: ignore the fact that OpenStack governance has a huge trust problem, I don't think this is true: It's true that some people don't trust OpenStack governance, not that the governance is broken. The bylaws have been discussed for months, the governance model is based on the processes and principles that have brought OpenStack where it is today. We can't stop every time to address theoretical concerns expressed by people that fundamentally don't trust us (and they don't have to). that the product has stability and compatibility issues. Like all products out there: nobody is perfect. Attack me for criticizing OpenStack when on a daily basis I am doing a lot of work to get into real world deployments. you've been criticised for your questionable choice of words not for the content of your criticism. While you probably ended up in somebody's killfile, your contributions are still appreciated by many because you *do* real things with OpenStack (differently from others that just like to *talk* about OpenStack). Let's stick to making a great product and have fun meanwhile: this is an exciting time. OpenStack Foundation is being born, well funded, supported by a wide spectrum of companies and lots of people. The future is bright. /stef ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Openstack] Angry People and OpenStack
George I like your contributions. I also like the idea of people treating each other well. Makes it easier for us to have the discussions you want to have. -Matt On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 8:54 AM, Stefano Maffulli stef...@openstack.orgwrote: On Thu 02 Aug 2012 07:19:28 AM PDT, George Reese wrote: ignore the fact that OpenStack governance has a huge trust problem, I don't think this is true: It's true that some people don't trust OpenStack governance, not that the governance is broken. The bylaws have been discussed for months, the governance model is based on the processes and principles that have brought OpenStack where it is today. We can't stop every time to address theoretical concerns expressed by people that fundamentally don't trust us (and they don't have to). that the product has stability and compatibility issues. Like all products out there: nobody is perfect. Attack me for criticizing OpenStack when on a daily basis I am doing a lot of work to get into real world deployments. you've been criticised for your questionable choice of words not for the content of your criticism. While you probably ended up in somebody's killfile, your contributions are still appreciated by many because you *do* real things with OpenStack (differently from others that just like to *talk* about OpenStack). Let's stick to making a great product and have fun meanwhile: this is an exciting time. OpenStack Foundation is being born, well funded, supported by a wide spectrum of companies and lots of people. The future is bright. /stef ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Openstack] Angry People and OpenStack
On 08/01/2012 01:13 PM, Frans Thamura wrote: People Are Getting REALLY Angry Over OpenStack, A Key Cloud Tech by I haven't read that article as I refuse to read something that has such sensationalistic/tabloid-y approach. The response by OpenStack leaders is on the Foundation's archive: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/foundation/2012-July/000922.html I suggest you to read Jonathan's message, keep calm and wait for facts to emerge with the truth. /stef ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Openstack] Angry People and OpenStack
It was expected to have these kind of articles but let us not start it again on mailing list, we have seen many debates over this on twitter. Let bygones be bygones. On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 1:43 AM, Frans Thamura fr...@meruvian.org wrote: just got twit People Are Getting REALLY Angry Over OpenStack, A Key Cloud Tech by @Julie188 read.bi/OpLhJM anyone wanna confirmation? F ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Openstack] Angry People and OpenStack
This should have the kibosh put on it, like, right now. I really do not see what good could come of this discussion on the mailing list. I, personally, know nothing about the details of this supposed email, her running, or her withdrawal, but I see no point in theory-crafting on the mailing list about a supposed scandal... This entire article reads as something specifically written to cause people to take sides and talking about it on the mailing list can serve no purpose that I see other than causing fragmentation, rumor-mongering, and anger. Maybe I am wrong, but this should die here... John Postlethwait Nebula, Inc. 206-999-4492 On Wednesday, August 1, 2012 at 1:13 PM, Frans Thamura wrote: just got twit People Are Getting REALLY Angry Over OpenStack, A Key Cloud Tech by @Julie188 read.bi/OpLhJM (http://read.bi/OpLhJM) anyone wanna confirmation? F ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net (mailto:openstack@lists.launchpad.net) Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Openstack] Angry People and OpenStack
I'd go further and say that regardless of who the person is, or the situation this list and this community has been pretty on the ball in ensuring that people treat each other with respect. There have been a number of incidents in which folks have wandered into questionable territory on this and I've felt the community has responded fairly well with due attention and reasoned response. Personal opinion. -Matt ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Openstack] Angry People and OpenStack
You must have heard of that famous quote by Mahatma Gandhi: First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win. This community is crossing the second step. So let us just chill , focus on our goals and let the people talk. we have much better stuff to do. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Openstack] Angry People and OpenStack
Hi, snip You must have heard of that famous quote by Mahatma Gandhi: First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win. /snip Totally snip This community is crossing the second step. So let us just chill , focus on our goals and let the people talk. we have much better stuff to do. /snip +1 Let us continue what we are doing, building awesome product. Cheers!! Atul Jha http://www.csscorp.com/common/email-disclaimer.php ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Openstack] Angry People and OpenStack
i believe openstack is the best :0 if the model of open and transparency still issue, we can fix anyway F ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Openstack] Angry People and OpenStack
Hi, snip i believe openstack is the best :0 /snip Indeed it is. snip if the model of open and transparency still issue, we can fix anyway /snip I don`t see there is any. Its just there are certain section of people who are bound to create FUD and act as TROLL. What we can simply do is to ignore them. :) Cheers!! Atul Jha http://www.csscorp.com/common/email-disclaimer.php ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
