Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS] Mini-summit Interest?

[Stefano Maffulli]

On 03/10/2014 04:10 PM, Edgar Magana wrote:
> A have a few arguments why I believe this is not 100% inclusive

I think by "100% inclusive" you mean "getting the right people for the
problem to solve" in the room. I would support that objective. Do you
think there are some key people who would need help to participate in
these sort of mini-events? Let's talk about how to fix that

>   * Is the foundation involved on this process? How? What is the budget?
> Who is the responsible from the foundation  side?

The Foundation can always be involved. I warn you though that in
general, anything that needs to happen *at* the Summit or immediately
before/after it that is not already scheduled is not going to generate
waves of enthusiasm from Foundation's staff.We're all operating at 150%
resources and the closer we get to the dates the more we overheat :)

That said, we've been experimenting with mid-cycle meetings, for infra
team, docs team, operators... We've done them on an ad-hoc basis but if
this becomes a thing that the community needs, I don't have a problem
imagining the mini-summits as a program at the Foundation, with
budget/resources assigned to them.

>   * As a OpenStack developer. I want to understand why the summit is not
> enough for deciding the next steps for each project. If that is the
> case, I would prefer to make changes on the organization of the
> summit instead of creating mini-summits all around!

Yeah, I'm interested about this, too. I have the feeling that the answer
can be simply the scale issue: we went from a Design Summit with ~200
people and 4 projects to discuss, to ~700 people and over a dozen
programs. I have no idea about the solution though, and I'd love to have
a mini summit[1] to discuss how to solve it.

On 03/10/2014 03:57 PM, Paul Voccio wrote:
> I get the idea that we should be open and discuss things
> transparently, but I’m not quite following the reasoning that there
> shouldn’t be mini-summits just because not everyone would be able to
> attend.

I actually think we need to have more in person meetings during the
cycle. I think there is always a way to circle back ideas to remote
participants and the wider community, on IRC and mailing lists before
making any decision 'official'.

Seriously, I think we need to talk more about this. Topic for
summit.openstack.org?

/stef

[1] I'm not kidding

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Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS] Mini-summit Interest?

[Stephen Balukoff]

If a mini-summit is held (no matter when), I'll try to make it in person.
Failing that, if a google hangout is set up, I ought to be able to attend
that way.

(And... it's good to be back, eh!)

Stephen


On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 2:17 PM, Edgar Magana  wrote:

> That sounds like a good idea Mark!
> Yes, please do not do it during the World Cup at least the meeting is in
> Brazil  :-)
>
> Edgar
>
> On 3/13/14 2:11 PM, "Mark McClain"  wrote:
>
> >
> >On Mar 13, 2014, at 4:22 PM, Jay Pipes  wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> I personally would not be able to attend a mini-summit days before the
> >> regular summit. I would, however, support a mini-summit about a month
> >> after the regular summit, where the focus would be on implementing the
> >> designs that are discussed at the regular summit.
> >
> >I¹ve been working some of the others on the core team to setup another
> >Neutron mid-cycle meet up. Like the last one, this will be focused on
> >writing/reviewing code for important Juno blueprints (so those who can¹t
> >travel can still participate).  The trouble with finding dates in late
> >May to early July dates is there are a number of large regional OpenStack
> >events, other conferences, and the World Cup (we do have a several
> >football fans on the team).  I hope that we¹ll be able to share the
> >information with everyone soon.
> >
> >mark
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Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS] Mini-summit Interest?

[Edgar Magana]

That sounds like a good idea Mark!
Yes, please do not do it during the World Cup at least the meeting is in
Brazil  :-)

Edgar

On 3/13/14 2:11 PM, "Mark McClain"  wrote:

>
>On Mar 13, 2014, at 4:22 PM, Jay Pipes  wrote:
>
>> 
>> 
>> I personally would not be able to attend a mini-summit days before the
>> regular summit. I would, however, support a mini-summit about a month
>> after the regular summit, where the focus would be on implementing the
>> designs that are discussed at the regular summit.
>
>I¹ve been working some of the others on the core team to setup another
>Neutron mid-cycle meet up. Like the last one, this will be focused on
>writing/reviewing code for important Juno blueprints (so those who can¹t
>travel can still participate).  The trouble with finding dates in late
>May to early July dates is there are a number of large regional OpenStack
>events, other conferences, and the World Cup (we do have a several
>football fans on the team).  I hope that we¹ll be able to share the
>information with everyone soon.
>
>mark 
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Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS] Mini-summit Interest?

[Mark McClain]

On Mar 13, 2014, at 4:22 PM, Jay Pipes  wrote:

> 
> 
> I personally would not be able to attend a mini-summit days before the
> regular summit. I would, however, support a mini-summit about a month
> after the regular summit, where the focus would be on implementing the
> designs that are discussed at the regular summit.

I’ve been working some of the others on the core team to setup another Neutron 
mid-cycle meet up. Like the last one, this will be focused on writing/reviewing 
code for important Juno blueprints (so those who can’t travel can still 
participate).  The trouble with finding dates in late May to early July dates 
is there are a number of large regional OpenStack events, other conferences, 
and the World Cup (we do have a several football fans on the team).  I hope 
that we’ll be able to share the information with everyone soon.

mark 
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Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS] Mini-summit Interest?

[Jay Pipes]

On Thu, 2014-03-13 at 20:06 +, Jorge Miramontes wrote:
> Now that the thread has had enough time for people to reply it appears
> that the majority of people that vocalized their opinion are in favor
> of a mini-summit, preferably to occur in Atlanta days before the
> Openstack summit. There are concerns however, most notably the concern
> that the mini-summit is not 100% inclusive (this seems to imply that
> other mini-summits are not 100% inclusive). Furthermore, there seems
> to be a concern about timing. I am relatively new to Openstack
> processes so I want to make sure I am following them. In this case,
> does majority vote win? If so, I'd like to further this discussion
> into actually planning a mini-summit. Thoughts?



I personally would not be able to attend a mini-summit days before the
regular summit. I would, however, support a mini-summit about a month
after the regular summit, where the focus would be on implementing the
designs that are discussed at the regular summit.

Best,
-jay


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Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS] Mini-summit Interest?

[Jorge Miramontes]

Hey everyone,

Now that the thread has had enough time for people to reply it appears that the 
majority of people that vocalized their opinion are in favor of a mini-summit, 
preferably to occur in Atlanta days before the Openstack summit. There are 
concerns however, most notably the concern that the mini-summit is not 100% 
inclusive (this seems to imply that other mini-summits are not 100% inclusive). 
Furthermore, there seems to be a concern about timing. I am relatively new to 
Openstack processes so I want to make sure I am following them. In this case, 
does majority vote win? If so, I'd like to further this discussion into 
actually planning a mini-summit. Thoughts?

Cheers,
--Jorge

From: Mike Wilson mailto:geekinu...@gmail.com>>
Reply-To: "OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)" 
mailto:openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org>>
Date: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 11:57 AM
To: "OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)" 
mailto:openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org>>
Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS] Mini-summit Interest?

Hangouts  worked well at the nova mid-cycle meetup. Just make sure you have 
your network situation sorted out before hand. Bandwidth and firewalls are what 
comes to mind immediately.

-Mike


On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 9:34 AM, Tom Creighton 
mailto:tom.creigh...@rackspace.com>> wrote:
When the Designate team had their mini-summit, they had an open Google Hangout 
for remote participants.  We could even have an open conference bridge if you 
are not partial to video conferencing.  With the issue of inclusion solved, 
let’s focus on a date that is good for the team!

Cheers,

Tom Creighton


On Mar 10, 2014, at 4:10 PM, Edgar Magana 
mailto:emag...@plumgrid.com>> wrote:

> Eugene,
>
> A have a few arguments why I believe this is not 100% inclusive
>   • Is the foundation involved on this process? How? What is the budget? 
> Who is the responsible from the foundation  side?
>   • If somebody made already travel arraignments, it won't be possible to 
> make changes at not cost.
>   • Staying extra days in a different city could impact anyone's budget
>   • As a OpenStack developer. I want to understand why the summit is not 
> enough for deciding the next steps for each project. If that is the case, I 
> would prefer to make changes on the organization of the summit instead of 
> creating mini-summits all around!
> I could continue but I think these are good enough.
>
> I could agree with your point about previous summits being distractive for 
> developers, this is why this time the OpenStack foundation is trying very 
> hard to allocate specific days for the conference and specific days for the 
> summit.
> The point that I am totally agree with you is that we SHOULD NOT have session 
> about work that will be done no matter what!  Those are just a waste of good 
> time that could be invested in very interesting discussions about topics that 
> are still not clear.
> I would recommend that you express this opinion to Mark. He is the right guy 
> to decide which sessions will bring interesting discussions and which ones 
> will be just a declaration of intents.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Edgar
>
> From: Eugene Nikanorov 
> mailto:enikano...@mirantis.com>>
> Reply-To: OpenStack List 
> mailto:openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org>>
> Date: Monday, March 10, 2014 10:32 AM
> To: OpenStack List 
> mailto:openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org>>
> Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS] Mini-summit Interest?
>
> Hi Edgar,
>
> I'm neutral to the suggestion of mini summit at this point.
> Why do you think it will exclude developers?
> If we keep it 1-3 days prior to OS Summit in Atlanta (e.g. in the same city) 
> that would allow anyone who joins OS Summit to save on extra travelling.
> OS Summit itself is too distractive to have really productive discussions, 
> unless your missing the sessions and spend time discussing.
> For instance design sessions basically only good for declaration of intents, 
> but not for real discussion of a complex topic at meaningful detail level.
>
> What would be your suggestions to make this more inclusive?
> I think the time and place is the key here - hence Atlanta and few days prior 
> OS summit.
>
> Thanks,
> Eugene.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 10:59 PM, Edgar Magana 
> mailto:emag...@plumgrid.com>> wrote:
>> Team,
>>
>> I found that having a mini-summit with a very short notice means excluding
>> a lot of developers of such an interesting topic for Neutron.
>> The OpenStack summit is the opportunity for all developers to come
>> together and discuss the next steps, there are many developers that CA

Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS] Mini-summit Interest?

[Mike Wilson]

Hangouts  worked well at the nova mid-cycle meetup. Just make sure you have
your network situation sorted out before hand. Bandwidth and firewalls are
what comes to mind immediately.

-Mike


On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 9:34 AM, Tom Creighton
wrote:

> When the Designate team had their mini-summit, they had an open Google
> Hangout for remote participants.  We could even have an open conference
> bridge if you are not partial to video conferencing.  With the issue of
> inclusion solved, let's focus on a date that is good for the team!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Tom Creighton
>
>
> On Mar 10, 2014, at 4:10 PM, Edgar Magana  wrote:
>
> > Eugene,
> >
> > A have a few arguments why I believe this is not 100% inclusive
> >   * Is the foundation involved on this process? How? What is the
> budget? Who is the responsible from the foundation  side?
> >   * If somebody made already travel arraignments, it won't be
> possible to make changes at not cost.
> >   * Staying extra days in a different city could impact anyone's
> budget
> >   * As a OpenStack developer. I want to understand why the summit is
> not enough for deciding the next steps for each project. If that is the
> case, I would prefer to make changes on the organization of the summit
> instead of creating mini-summits all around!
> > I could continue but I think these are good enough.
> >
> > I could agree with your point about previous summits being distractive
> for developers, this is why this time the OpenStack foundation is trying
> very hard to allocate specific days for the conference and specific days
> for the summit.
> > The point that I am totally agree with you is that we SHOULD NOT have
> session about work that will be done no matter what!  Those are just a
> waste of good time that could be invested in very interesting discussions
> about topics that are still not clear.
> > I would recommend that you express this opinion to Mark. He is the right
> guy to decide which sessions will bring interesting discussions and which
> ones will be just a declaration of intents.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Edgar
> >
> > From: Eugene Nikanorov 
> > Reply-To: OpenStack List 
> > Date: Monday, March 10, 2014 10:32 AM
> > To: OpenStack List 
> > Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS] Mini-summit Interest?
> >
> > Hi Edgar,
> >
> > I'm neutral to the suggestion of mini summit at this point.
> > Why do you think it will exclude developers?
> > If we keep it 1-3 days prior to OS Summit in Atlanta (e.g. in the same
> city) that would allow anyone who joins OS Summit to save on extra
> travelling.
> > OS Summit itself is too distractive to have really productive
> discussions, unless your missing the sessions and spend time discussing.
> > For instance design sessions basically only good for declaration of
> intents, but not for real discussion of a complex topic at meaningful
> detail level.
> >
> > What would be your suggestions to make this more inclusive?
> > I think the time and place is the key here - hence Atlanta and few days
> prior OS summit.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Eugene.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 10:59 PM, Edgar Magana 
> wrote:
> >> Team,
> >>
> >> I found that having a mini-summit with a very short notice means
> excluding
> >> a lot of developers of such an interesting topic for Neutron.
> >> The OpenStack summit is the opportunity for all developers to come
> >> together and discuss the next steps, there are many developers that CAN
> >> NOT afford another trip for a "special" summit. I am personally against
> >> that and I do support Mark's proposal of having all the conversation
> over
> >> IRC and mailing list.
> >>
> >> Please, do not start excluding people that won't be able to attend
> another
> >> face-to-face meeting besides the summit. I believe that these are the
> >> little things that make an open source community weak if we do not
> control
> >> it.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> Edgar
> >>
> >>
> >> On 3/6/14 9:51 PM, "Mark McClain"  wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >On Mar 6, 2014, at 4:31 PM, Jay Pipes  wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> On Thu, 2014-03-06 at 21:14 +, Youcef Laribi wrote:
> >> >>> +1
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I think if we can have it before the Juno summit, we can take
> >> >>> concrete, well thought-out p

Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS] Mini-summit Interest?

[Tom Creighton]

When the Designate team had their mini-summit, they had an open Google Hangout 
for remote participants.  We could even have an open conference bridge if you 
are not partial to video conferencing.  With the issue of inclusion solved, 
let’s focus on a date that is good for the team!

Cheers,

Tom Creighton


On Mar 10, 2014, at 4:10 PM, Edgar Magana  wrote:

> Eugene,
> 
> A have a few arguments why I believe this is not 100% inclusive
>   • Is the foundation involved on this process? How? What is the budget? 
> Who is the responsible from the foundation  side?
>   • If somebody made already travel arraignments, it won't be possible to 
> make changes at not cost.
>   • Staying extra days in a different city could impact anyone's budget
>   • As a OpenStack developer. I want to understand why the summit is not 
> enough for deciding the next steps for each project. If that is the case, I 
> would prefer to make changes on the organization of the summit instead of 
> creating mini-summits all around!
> I could continue but I think these are good enough.
> 
> I could agree with your point about previous summits being distractive for 
> developers, this is why this time the OpenStack foundation is trying very 
> hard to allocate specific days for the conference and specific days for the 
> summit.
> The point that I am totally agree with you is that we SHOULD NOT have session 
> about work that will be done no matter what!  Those are just a waste of good 
> time that could be invested in very interesting discussions about topics that 
> are still not clear.
> I would recommend that you express this opinion to Mark. He is the right guy 
> to decide which sessions will bring interesting discussions and which ones 
> will be just a declaration of intents.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Edgar
> 
> From: Eugene Nikanorov 
> Reply-To: OpenStack List 
> Date: Monday, March 10, 2014 10:32 AM
> To: OpenStack List 
> Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS] Mini-summit Interest?
> 
> Hi Edgar,
> 
> I'm neutral to the suggestion of mini summit at this point. 
> Why do you think it will exclude developers? 
> If we keep it 1-3 days prior to OS Summit in Atlanta (e.g. in the same city) 
> that would allow anyone who joins OS Summit to save on extra travelling.
> OS Summit itself is too distractive to have really productive discussions, 
> unless your missing the sessions and spend time discussing.
> For instance design sessions basically only good for declaration of intents, 
> but not for real discussion of a complex topic at meaningful detail level.
> 
> What would be your suggestions to make this more inclusive? 
> I think the time and place is the key here - hence Atlanta and few days prior 
> OS summit.
> 
> Thanks,
> Eugene.
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 10:59 PM, Edgar Magana  wrote:
>> Team,
>> 
>> I found that having a mini-summit with a very short notice means excluding
>> a lot of developers of such an interesting topic for Neutron.
>> The OpenStack summit is the opportunity for all developers to come
>> together and discuss the next steps, there are many developers that CAN
>> NOT afford another trip for a "special" summit. I am personally against
>> that and I do support Mark's proposal of having all the conversation over
>> IRC and mailing list.
>> 
>> Please, do not start excluding people that won't be able to attend another
>> face-to-face meeting besides the summit. I believe that these are the
>> little things that make an open source community weak if we do not control
>> it.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Edgar
>> 
>> 
>> On 3/6/14 9:51 PM, "Mark McClain"  wrote:
>> 
>> >
>> >On Mar 6, 2014, at 4:31 PM, Jay Pipes  wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Thu, 2014-03-06 at 21:14 +, Youcef Laribi wrote:
>> >>> +1
>> >>>
>> >>> I think if we can have it before the Juno summit, we can take
>> >>> concrete, well thought-out proposals to the community at the summit.
>> >>
>> >> Unless something has changed starting at the Hong Kong design summit
>> >> (which unfortunately I was not able to attend), the design summits have
>> >> always been a place to gather to *discuss* and *debate* proposed
>> >> blueprints and design specs. It has never been about a gathering to
>> >> rubber-stamp proposals that have already been hashed out in private
>> >> somewhere else.
>> >
>> >You are correct that is the goal of the design summit.  While I do think
>> >it is wise to discuss 

Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS] Mini-summit Interest?

[Paul Voccio]

I get the idea that we should be open and discuss things transparently, but I’m 
not quite following the reasoning that there shouldn’t be mini-summits just 
because not everyone would be able to attend.   If people have the will and the 
means to meet to tackle problems, shouldn’t we encourage that? The discussions 
and topics that are on the table shouldn’t be a secret. It should be easy to 
use the ML to post etherpads of topics and ideas. Nothing would be binding in 
the mini-summit.  Isn’t it be categorically the same as a meetup?

This thinking is a bit confusing after coming out of the operators mini summit 
last week in San Jose. It was a group of people gathering to hone in on what 
they want to focus on at the summit and issues that we know need to be 
addressed. ML, IRC and other mediums should and are used to do the same.

Thanks,
~pvo


From: Edgar Magana mailto:emag...@plumgrid.com>>
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Date: Monday, March 10, 2014 at 3:10 PM
To: OpenStack List 
mailto:openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org>>
Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS] Mini-summit Interest?

Eugene,

A have a few arguments why I believe this is not 100% inclusive

  *   Is the foundation involved on this process? How? What is the budget? Who 
is the responsible from the foundation  side?
  *   If somebody made already travel arraignments, it won't be possible to 
make changes at not cost.
  *   Staying extra days in a different city could impact anyone's budget
  *   As a OpenStack developer. I want to understand why the summit is not 
enough for deciding the next steps for each project. If that is the case, I 
would prefer to make changes on the organization of the summit instead of 
creating mini-summits all around!

I could continue but I think these are good enough.

I could agree with your point about previous summits being distractive for 
developers, this is why this time the OpenStack foundation is trying very hard 
to allocate specific days for the conference and specific days for the summit.
The point that I am totally agree with you is that we SHOULD NOT have session 
about work that will be done no matter what!  Those are just a waste of good 
time that could be invested in very interesting discussions about topics that 
are still not clear.
I would recommend that you express this opinion to Mark. He is the right guy to 
decide which sessions will bring interesting discussions and which ones will be 
just a declaration of intents.

Thanks,

Edgar

From: Eugene Nikanorov mailto:enikano...@mirantis.com>>
Reply-To: OpenStack List 
mailto:openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org>>
Date: Monday, March 10, 2014 10:32 AM
To: OpenStack List 
mailto:openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org>>
Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS] Mini-summit Interest?

Hi Edgar,

I'm neutral to the suggestion of mini summit at this point.
Why do you think it will exclude developers?
If we keep it 1-3 days prior to OS Summit in Atlanta (e.g. in the same city) 
that would allow anyone who joins OS Summit to save on extra travelling.
OS Summit itself is too distractive to have really productive discussions, 
unless your missing the sessions and spend time discussing.
For instance design sessions basically only good for declaration of intents, 
but not for real discussion of a complex topic at meaningful detail level.

What would be your suggestions to make this more inclusive?
I think the time and place is the key here - hence Atlanta and few days prior 
OS summit.

Thanks,
Eugene.



On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 10:59 PM, Edgar Magana 
mailto:emag...@plumgrid.com>> wrote:
Team,

I found that having a mini-summit with a very short notice means excluding
a lot of developers of such an interesting topic for Neutron.
The OpenStack summit is the opportunity for all developers to come
together and discuss the next steps, there are many developers that CAN
NOT afford another trip for a "special" summit. I am personally against
that and I do support Mark's proposal of having all the conversation over
IRC and mailing list.

Please, do not start excluding people that won't be able to attend another
face-to-face meeting besides the summit. I believe that these are the
little things that make an open source community weak if we do not control
it.

Thanks,

Edgar


On 3/6/14 9:51 PM, "Mark McClain" 
mailto:mmccl...@yahoo-inc.com>> wrote:

>
>On Mar 6, 2014, at 4:31 PM, Jay Pipes 
>mailto:jaypi...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 2014-03-06 at 21:14 +, Youcef Laribi wrote:
>>> +1
>>>
>>> I think if we can have it before the Juno summit, we can take
>>> concrete, well thought-out proposals to the community at the summit.
>>
>> Unless something has changed starting at the Hong Kong

Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS] Mini-summit Interest?

[Edgar Magana]

Eugene,

A have a few arguments why I believe this is not 100% inclusive
* Is the foundation involved on this process? How? What is the budget? Who
is the responsible from the foundation  side?
* If somebody made already travel arraignments, it won't be possible to make
changes at not cost.
* Staying extra days in a different city could impact anyone's budget
* As a OpenStack developer. I want to understand why the summit is not
enough for deciding the next steps for each project. If that is the case, I
would prefer to make changes on the organization of the summit instead of
creating mini-summits all around!
I could continue but I think these are good enough.

I could agree with your point about previous summits being distractive for
developers, this is why this time the OpenStack foundation is trying very
hard to allocate specific days for the conference and specific days for the
summit.
The point that I am totally agree with you is that we SHOULD NOT have
session about work that will be done no matter what!  Those are just a waste
of good time that could be invested in very interesting discussions about
topics that are still not clear.
I would recommend that you express this opinion to Mark. He is the right guy
to decide which sessions will bring interesting discussions and which ones
will be just a declaration of intents.

Thanks,

Edgar

From:  Eugene Nikanorov 
Reply-To:  OpenStack List 
Date:  Monday, March 10, 2014 10:32 AM
To:  OpenStack List 
Subject:  Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS] Mini-summit Interest?

Hi Edgar,

I'm neutral to the suggestion of mini summit at this point.
Why do you think it will exclude developers?
If we keep it 1-3 days prior to OS Summit in Atlanta (e.g. in the same city)
that would allow anyone who joins OS Summit to save on extra travelling.
OS Summit itself is too distractive to have really productive discussions,
unless your missing the sessions and spend time discussing.
For instance design sessions basically only good for declaration of intents,
but not for real discussion of a complex topic at meaningful detail level.

What would be your suggestions to make this more inclusive?
I think the time and place is the key here - hence Atlanta and few days
prior OS summit.

Thanks,
Eugene.



On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 10:59 PM, Edgar Magana  wrote:
> Team,
> 
> I found that having a mini-summit with a very short notice means excluding
> a lot of developers of such an interesting topic for Neutron.
> The OpenStack summit is the opportunity for all developers to come
> together and discuss the next steps, there are many developers that CAN
> NOT afford another trip for a "special" summit. I am personally against
> that and I do support Mark's proposal of having all the conversation over
> IRC and mailing list.
> 
> Please, do not start excluding people that won't be able to attend another
> face-to-face meeting besides the summit. I believe that these are the
> little things that make an open source community weak if we do not control
> it.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Edgar
> 
> 
> On 3/6/14 9:51 PM, "Mark McClain"  wrote:
> 
>> >
>> >On Mar 6, 2014, at 4:31 PM, Jay Pipes  wrote:
>> >
>>> >> On Thu, 2014-03-06 at 21:14 +, Youcef Laribi wrote:
>>>> >>> +1
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> I think if we can have it before the Juno summit, we can take
>>>> >>> concrete, well thought-out proposals to the community at the summit.
>>> >>
>>> >> Unless something has changed starting at the Hong Kong design summit
>>> >> (which unfortunately I was not able to attend), the design summits have
>>> >> always been a place to gather to *discuss* and *debate* proposed
>>> >> blueprints and design specs. It has never been about a gathering to
>>> >> rubber-stamp proposals that have already been hashed out in private
>>> >> somewhere else.
>> >
>> >You are correct that is the goal of the design summit.  While I do think
>> >it is wise to discuss the next steps with LBaaS at this point in time, I
>> >am not a proponent of in person mini-design summits.  Many contributors
>> >to LBaaS are distributed all over the global, and scheduling a mini
>> >summit with short notice will exclude valuable contributors to the team.
>> >I¹d prefer to see an open process with discussions on the mailing list
>> >and specially scheduled IRC meetings to discuss the ideas.
>> >
>> >mark
>> >
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Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS] Mini-summit Interest?

[Eugene Nikanorov]

Hi Edgar,

I'm neutral to the suggestion of mini summit at this point.
Why do you think it will exclude developers?
If we keep it 1-3 days prior to OS Summit in Atlanta (e.g. in the same
city) that would allow anyone who joins OS Summit to save on extra
travelling.
OS Summit itself is too distractive to have really productive discussions,
unless your missing the sessions and spend time discussing.
For instance design sessions basically only good for declaration of
intents, but not for real discussion of a complex topic at meaningful
detail level.

What would be your suggestions to make this more inclusive?
I think the time and place is the key here - hence Atlanta and few days
prior OS summit.

Thanks,
Eugene.



On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 10:59 PM, Edgar Magana  wrote:

> Team,
>
> I found that having a mini-summit with a very short notice means excluding
> a lot of developers of such an interesting topic for Neutron.
> The OpenStack summit is the opportunity for all developers to come
> together and discuss the next steps, there are many developers that CAN
> NOT afford another trip for a "special" summit. I am personally against
> that and I do support Mark's proposal of having all the conversation over
> IRC and mailing list.
>
> Please, do not start excluding people that won't be able to attend another
> face-to-face meeting besides the summit. I believe that these are the
> little things that make an open source community weak if we do not control
> it.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Edgar
>
>
> On 3/6/14 9:51 PM, "Mark McClain"  wrote:
>
> >
> >On Mar 6, 2014, at 4:31 PM, Jay Pipes  wrote:
> >
> >> On Thu, 2014-03-06 at 21:14 +, Youcef Laribi wrote:
> >>> +1
> >>>
> >>> I think if we can have it before the Juno summit, we can take
> >>> concrete, well thought-out proposals to the community at the summit.
> >>
> >> Unless something has changed starting at the Hong Kong design summit
> >> (which unfortunately I was not able to attend), the design summits have
> >> always been a place to gather to *discuss* and *debate* proposed
> >> blueprints and design specs. It has never been about a gathering to
> >> rubber-stamp proposals that have already been hashed out in private
> >> somewhere else.
> >
> >You are correct that is the goal of the design summit.  While I do think
> >it is wise to discuss the next steps with LBaaS at this point in time, I
> >am not a proponent of in person mini-design summits.  Many contributors
> >to LBaaS are distributed all over the global, and scheduling a mini
> >summit with short notice will exclude valuable contributors to the team.
> >I¹d prefer to see an open process with discussions on the mailing list
> >and specially scheduled IRC meetings to discuss the ideas.
> >
> >mark
> >
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Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS] Mini-summit Interest?

[Edgar Magana]

Team,

I found that having a mini-summit with a very short notice means excluding
a lot of developers of such an interesting topic for Neutron.
The OpenStack summit is the opportunity for all developers to come
together and discuss the next steps, there are many developers that CAN
NOT afford another trip for a "special" summit. I am personally against
that and I do support Mark's proposal of having all the conversation over
IRC and mailing list.

Please, do not start excluding people that won't be able to attend another
face-to-face meeting besides the summit. I believe that these are the
little things that make an open source community weak if we do not control
it.

Thanks,

Edgar


On 3/6/14 9:51 PM, "Mark McClain"  wrote:

>
>On Mar 6, 2014, at 4:31 PM, Jay Pipes  wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 2014-03-06 at 21:14 +, Youcef Laribi wrote:
>>> +1
>>> 
>>> I think if we can have it before the Juno summit, we can take
>>> concrete, well thought-out proposals to the community at the summit.
>> 
>> Unless something has changed starting at the Hong Kong design summit
>> (which unfortunately I was not able to attend), the design summits have
>> always been a place to gather to *discuss* and *debate* proposed
>> blueprints and design specs. It has never been about a gathering to
>> rubber-stamp proposals that have already been hashed out in private
>> somewhere else.
>
>You are correct that is the goal of the design summit.  While I do think
>it is wise to discuss the next steps with LBaaS at this point in time, I
>am not a proponent of in person mini-design summits.  Many contributors
>to LBaaS are distributed all over the global, and scheduling a mini
>summit with short notice will exclude valuable contributors to the team.
>I¹d prefer to see an open process with discussions on the mailing list
>and specially scheduled IRC meetings to discuss the ideas.
>
>mark
>
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Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS] Mini-summit Interest?

[Susanne Balle]

+1. Count me in. Susanne


On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 10:06 AM, Stephen Wong  wrote:

> +1 - that is a good idea! Having it several days before the J-Summit in
> Atlanta would be great.
>
> - Stephen
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 1:33 AM, Eugene Nikanorov 
> wrote:
>
>> I think mini summit is no worse than the summit itself.
>> Everyone who wants to participate can join.
>> In fact what we really need is a certain time span of focused work.
>> ML, meetings are ok, it's just that dedicated in person meetings (design
>> sessions) could be more productive.
>> I'm thinking what if such mini-summit is held in Atlanta 1-2-3 days prior
>> to the OS summit?
>> That could save attendees a lot of time/money.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Eugene.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 9:51 AM, Mark McClain wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On Mar 6, 2014, at 4:31 PM, Jay Pipes  wrote:
>>>
>>> > On Thu, 2014-03-06 at 21:14 +, Youcef Laribi wrote:
>>> >> +1
>>> >>
>>> >> I think if we can have it before the Juno summit, we can take
>>> >> concrete, well thought-out proposals to the community at the summit.
>>> >
>>> > Unless something has changed starting at the Hong Kong design summit
>>> > (which unfortunately I was not able to attend), the design summits have
>>> > always been a place to gather to *discuss* and *debate* proposed
>>> > blueprints and design specs. It has never been about a gathering to
>>> > rubber-stamp proposals that have already been hashed out in private
>>> > somewhere else.
>>>
>>> You are correct that is the goal of the design summit.  While I do think
>>> it is wise to discuss the next steps with LBaaS at this point in time, I am
>>> not a proponent of in person mini-design summits.  Many contributors to
>>> LBaaS are distributed all over the global, and scheduling a mini summit
>>> with short notice will exclude valuable contributors to the team.  I'd
>>> prefer to see an open process with discussions on the mailing list and
>>> specially scheduled IRC meetings to discuss the ideas.
>>>
>>> mark
>>>
>>>
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Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS] Mini-summit Interest?

[Stephen Wong]

+1 - that is a good idea! Having it several days before the J-Summit in
Atlanta would be great.

- Stephen


On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 1:33 AM, Eugene Nikanorov wrote:

> I think mini summit is no worse than the summit itself.
> Everyone who wants to participate can join.
> In fact what we really need is a certain time span of focused work.
> ML, meetings are ok, it's just that dedicated in person meetings (design
> sessions) could be more productive.
> I'm thinking what if such mini-summit is held in Atlanta 1-2-3 days prior
> to the OS summit?
> That could save attendees a lot of time/money.
>
> Thanks,
> Eugene.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 9:51 AM, Mark McClain wrote:
>
>>
>> On Mar 6, 2014, at 4:31 PM, Jay Pipes  wrote:
>>
>> > On Thu, 2014-03-06 at 21:14 +, Youcef Laribi wrote:
>> >> +1
>> >>
>> >> I think if we can have it before the Juno summit, we can take
>> >> concrete, well thought-out proposals to the community at the summit.
>> >
>> > Unless something has changed starting at the Hong Kong design summit
>> > (which unfortunately I was not able to attend), the design summits have
>> > always been a place to gather to *discuss* and *debate* proposed
>> > blueprints and design specs. It has never been about a gathering to
>> > rubber-stamp proposals that have already been hashed out in private
>> > somewhere else.
>>
>> You are correct that is the goal of the design summit.  While I do think
>> it is wise to discuss the next steps with LBaaS at this point in time, I am
>> not a proponent of in person mini-design summits.  Many contributors to
>> LBaaS are distributed all over the global, and scheduling a mini summit
>> with short notice will exclude valuable contributors to the team.  I'd
>> prefer to see an open process with discussions on the mailing list and
>> specially scheduled IRC meetings to discuss the ideas.
>>
>> mark
>>
>>
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Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS] Mini-summit Interest?

[Uma Goring]

+1 to the idea of having the mini-summit in Atlanta a few days prior to the OS 
summit.



On Mar 7, 2014, at 3:37 AM, "Eugene Nikanorov" 
mailto:enikano...@mirantis.com>> wrote:

I think mini summit is no worse than the summit itself.
Everyone who wants to participate can join.
In fact what we really need is a certain time span of focused work.
ML, meetings are ok, it's just that dedicated in person meetings (design 
sessions) could be more productive.
I'm thinking what if such mini-summit is held in Atlanta 1-2-3 days prior to 
the OS summit?
That could save attendees a lot of time/money.

Thanks,
Eugene.



On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 9:51 AM, Mark McClain 
mailto:mmccl...@yahoo-inc.com>> wrote:

On Mar 6, 2014, at 4:31 PM, Jay Pipes 
mailto:jaypi...@gmail.com>> wrote:

> On Thu, 2014-03-06 at 21:14 +, Youcef Laribi wrote:
>> +1
>>
>> I think if we can have it before the Juno summit, we can take
>> concrete, well thought-out proposals to the community at the summit.
>
> Unless something has changed starting at the Hong Kong design summit
> (which unfortunately I was not able to attend), the design summits have
> always been a place to gather to *discuss* and *debate* proposed
> blueprints and design specs. It has never been about a gathering to
> rubber-stamp proposals that have already been hashed out in private
> somewhere else.

You are correct that is the goal of the design summit.  While I do think it is 
wise to discuss the next steps with LBaaS at this point in time, I am not a 
proponent of in person mini-design summits.  Many contributors to LBaaS are 
distributed all over the global, and scheduling a mini summit with short notice 
will exclude valuable contributors to the team.  I’d prefer to see an open 
process with discussions on the mailing list and specially scheduled IRC 
meetings to discuss the ideas.

mark


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Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS] Mini-summit Interest?

[Eugene Nikanorov]

I think mini summit is no worse than the summit itself.
Everyone who wants to participate can join.
In fact what we really need is a certain time span of focused work.
ML, meetings are ok, it's just that dedicated in person meetings (design
sessions) could be more productive.
I'm thinking what if such mini-summit is held in Atlanta 1-2-3 days prior
to the OS summit?
That could save attendees a lot of time/money.

Thanks,
Eugene.



On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 9:51 AM, Mark McClain  wrote:

>
> On Mar 6, 2014, at 4:31 PM, Jay Pipes  wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 2014-03-06 at 21:14 +, Youcef Laribi wrote:
> >> +1
> >>
> >> I think if we can have it before the Juno summit, we can take
> >> concrete, well thought-out proposals to the community at the summit.
> >
> > Unless something has changed starting at the Hong Kong design summit
> > (which unfortunately I was not able to attend), the design summits have
> > always been a place to gather to *discuss* and *debate* proposed
> > blueprints and design specs. It has never been about a gathering to
> > rubber-stamp proposals that have already been hashed out in private
> > somewhere else.
>
> You are correct that is the goal of the design summit.  While I do think
> it is wise to discuss the next steps with LBaaS at this point in time, I am
> not a proponent of in person mini-design summits.  Many contributors to
> LBaaS are distributed all over the global, and scheduling a mini summit
> with short notice will exclude valuable contributors to the team.  I'd
> prefer to see an open process with discussions on the mailing list and
> specially scheduled IRC meetings to discuss the ideas.
>
> mark
>
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Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS] Mini-summit Interest?

[Mark McClain]

On Mar 6, 2014, at 4:31 PM, Jay Pipes  wrote:

> On Thu, 2014-03-06 at 21:14 +, Youcef Laribi wrote:
>> +1
>> 
>> I think if we can have it before the Juno summit, we can take
>> concrete, well thought-out proposals to the community at the summit.
> 
> Unless something has changed starting at the Hong Kong design summit
> (which unfortunately I was not able to attend), the design summits have
> always been a place to gather to *discuss* and *debate* proposed
> blueprints and design specs. It has never been about a gathering to
> rubber-stamp proposals that have already been hashed out in private
> somewhere else.

You are correct that is the goal of the design summit.  While I do think it is 
wise to discuss the next steps with LBaaS at this point in time, I am not a 
proponent of in person mini-design summits.  Many contributors to LBaaS are 
distributed all over the global, and scheduling a mini summit with short notice 
will exclude valuable contributors to the team.  I’d prefer to see an open 
process with discussions on the mailing list and specially scheduled IRC 
meetings to discuss the ideas.

mark


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Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS] Mini-summit Interest?

[Youcef Laribi]

Jay,

What I meant is that the people who are involved regularly in LBaaS can have a 
space and time to hash out all the arguments and get clarity, and this is open 
to anybody to attend (hence mini-summit), while at the summit itself there is 
so much going on, it's hard to find time and focus to have these discussions 
(from my previous experience at the last few summits).

My 2 cents :)

Youcef


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On Thu, 2014-03-06 at 21:14 +, Youcef Laribi wrote:
> +1
> 
> I think if we can have it before the Juno summit, we can take 
> concrete, well thought-out proposals to the community at the summit.

Unless something has changed starting at the Hong Kong design summit (which 
unfortunately I was not able to attend), the design summits have always been a 
place to gather to *discuss* and *debate* proposed blueprints and design specs. 
It has never been about a gathering to rubber-stamp proposals that have already 
been hashed out in private somewhere else.

Or, am I missing something? Has this changed in the past year?

Best,
-jay



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Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS] Mini-summit Interest?

[Jay Pipes]

On Thu, 2014-03-06 at 21:14 +, Youcef Laribi wrote:
> +1
> 
> I think if we can have it before the Juno summit, we can take
> concrete, well thought-out proposals to the community at the summit.

Unless something has changed starting at the Hong Kong design summit
(which unfortunately I was not able to attend), the design summits have
always been a place to gather to *discuss* and *debate* proposed
blueprints and design specs. It has never been about a gathering to
rubber-stamp proposals that have already been hashed out in private
somewhere else.

Or, am I missing something? Has this changed in the past year?

Best,
-jay



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Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS] Mini-summit Interest?

[Youcef Laribi]

+1

I think if we can have it before the Juno summit, we can take concrete, well 
thought-out proposals to the community at the summit.

Cheers,
Youcef

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I agree with that, and it should take place before the J-Summit.

Location is key here :-)

On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 7:32 AM, Jorge Miramontes 
mailto:jorge.miramon...@rackspace.com>> wrote:
Hi everyone,

I'd like to gauge everyone's interest in a possible mini-summit for Neturon 
LBaaS. If enough people are interested I'd be happy to try and set something 
up. The Designate team just had a productive mini-summit in Austin, TX and it 
was nice to have face-to-face conversations with people in the Openstack 
community. While most of us will meet in Atlanta in May, I feel that a focused 
mini-summit will be more productive since we won't have other Openstack 
distractions around us. Let me know what you all think!

Cheers,
--Jorge

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Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS] Mini-summit Interest?

[Stephen Wong]

I agree with that, and it should take place before the J-Summit.

Location is key here :-)


On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 7:32 AM, Jorge Miramontes <
jorge.miramon...@rackspace.com> wrote:

>   Hi everyone,
>
>  I'd like to gauge everyone's interest in a possible mini-summit for
> Neturon LBaaS. If enough people are interested I'd be happy to try and set
> something up. The Designate team just had a productive mini-summit in
> Austin, TX and it was nice to have face-to-face conversations with people
> in the Openstack community. While most of us will meet in Atlanta in May, I
> feel that a focused mini-summit will be more productive since we won't have
> other Openstack distractions around us. Let me know what you all think!
>
>  Cheers,
> --Jorge
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Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS] Mini-summit Interest?

[Jay Pipes]

On Thu, 2014-03-06 at 21:34 +0400, Eugene Nikanorov wrote:
> If this happens, it might make sense to keep it before, not after the
> summit.
> Basically, on the summit we need to come up with a plan/design/roadmap
> that everyone agrees on and just present it to the core team.

It depends. If the LBaaS summit is *after* the design summit, it can be
more of a working meeting where we take advantage of the time together
to make a lot of progress on goals established (and documented) at the
summit. If it is *before* the summit, it is more likely to be less
productive and more of a brainstorming type meeting, which is kind of
what the design summit is for.

Just my two cents,
-jay



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Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS] Mini-summit Interest?

[Prashanth Hari]

Same here.. will be interested to join.

Thanks,
Prashanth


On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 11:51 AM, Veiga, Anthony <
anthony_ve...@cable.comcast.com> wrote:

>
> >On Thu, 2014-03-06 at 15:32 +, Jorge Miramontes wrote:
> >> I'd like to gauge everyone's interest in a possible mini-summit for
> >> Neturon LBaaS. If enough people are interested I'd be happy to try and
> >> set something up. The Designate team just had a productive mini-summit
> >> in Austin, TX and it was nice to have face-to-face conversations with
> >> people in the Openstack community. While most of us will meet in
> >> Atlanta in May, I feel that a focused mini-summit will be more
> >> productive since we won't have other Openstack distractions around us.
> >> Let me know what you all think!
> >
> >++
> >
> >++
> >
> >I think a few weeks after the design summit would be a good time.
> >
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Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS] Mini-summit Interest?

[Carl Perry]

I am also interested

On 03/06/2014 11:08 AM, John Dewey wrote:
> I am interested
>
> On Thursday, March 6, 2014 at 7:32 AM, Jorge Miramontes wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> I'd like to gauge everyone's interest in a possible mini-summit for
>> Neturon LBaaS. If enough people are interested I'd be happy to try
>> and set something up. The Designate team just had a productive
>> mini-summit in Austin, TX and it was nice to have face-to-face
>> conversations with people in the Openstack community. While most of
>> us will meet in Atlanta in May, I feel that a focused mini-summit
>> will be more productive since we won't have other Openstack
>> distractions around us. Let me know what you all think!
>>
>> Cheers,
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Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS] Mini-summit Interest?

[Eugene Nikanorov]

If this happens, it might make sense to keep it before, not after the
summit.
Basically, on the summit we need to come up with a plan/design/roadmap that
everyone agrees on and just present it to the core team.

Thanks,
Eugene.



On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 9:08 PM, John Dewey  wrote:

>  I am interested
>
> On Thursday, March 6, 2014 at 7:32 AM, Jorge Miramontes wrote:
>
>   Hi everyone,
>
>  I'd like to gauge everyone's interest in a possible mini-summit for
> Neturon LBaaS. If enough people are interested I'd be happy to try and set
> something up. The Designate team just had a productive mini-summit in
> Austin, TX and it was nice to have face-to-face conversations with people
> in the Openstack community. While most of us will meet in Atlanta in May, I
> feel that a focused mini-summit will be more productive since we won't have
> other Openstack distractions around us. Let me know what you all think!
>
>  Cheers,
> --Jorge
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Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS] Mini-summit Interest?

[John Dewey]

I am interested 


On Thursday, March 6, 2014 at 7:32 AM, Jorge Miramontes wrote:

> Hi everyone,
> 
> I'd like to gauge everyone's interest in a possible mini-summit for Neturon 
> LBaaS. If enough people are interested I'd be happy to try and set something 
> up. The Designate team just had a productive mini-summit in Austin, TX and it 
> was nice to have face-to-face conversations with people in the Openstack 
> community. While most of us will meet in Atlanta in May, I feel that a 
> focused mini-summit will be more productive since we won't have other 
> Openstack distractions around us. Let me know what you all think! 
> 
> Cheers, 
> --Jorge
> 
> 
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Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS] Mini-summit Interest?

[Veiga, Anthony]

>On Thu, 2014-03-06 at 15:32 +, Jorge Miramontes wrote:
>> I'd like to gauge everyone's interest in a possible mini-summit for
>> Neturon LBaaS. If enough people are interested I'd be happy to try and
>> set something up. The Designate team just had a productive mini-summit
>> in Austin, TX and it was nice to have face-to-face conversations with
>> people in the Openstack community. While most of us will meet in
>> Atlanta in May, I feel that a focused mini-summit will be more
>> productive since we won't have other Openstack distractions around us.
>> Let me know what you all think!
>
>++
>
>++
>
>I think a few weeks after the design summit would be a good time.
>
>-jay
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Throwing my hat into the ring as well. I think this would be quite useful.
-Anthony


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Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS] Mini-summit Interest?

[Jay Pipes]

On Thu, 2014-03-06 at 15:32 +, Jorge Miramontes wrote:
> I'd like to gauge everyone's interest in a possible mini-summit for
> Neturon LBaaS. If enough people are interested I'd be happy to try and
> set something up. The Designate team just had a productive mini-summit
> in Austin, TX and it was nice to have face-to-face conversations with
> people in the Openstack community. While most of us will meet in
> Atlanta in May, I feel that a focused mini-summit will be more
> productive since we won't have other Openstack distractions around us.
> Let me know what you all think!

++

++

I think a few weeks after the design summit would be a good time.

-jay


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[openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS] Mini-summit Interest?

[Jorge Miramontes]

Hi everyone,

I'd like to gauge everyone's interest in a possible mini-summit for Neturon 
LBaaS. If enough people are interested I'd be happy to try and set something 
up. The Designate team just had a productive mini-summit in Austin, TX and it 
was nice to have face-to-face conversations with people in the Openstack 
community. While most of us will meet in Atlanta in May, I feel that a focused 
mini-summit will be more productive since we won't have other Openstack 
distractions around us. Let me know what you all think!

Cheers,
--Jorge
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