Re: [openstack-dev] [kolla] PTG Day #1 Webex remote participation

2017-02-19 Thread Steven Dake (stdake) 
Jeremy,

I understood your original message that it was a logistical nightmare to sort 
out scaling remote participation across the entire ODS or (now the new PTGs) 
and it is not a software tools problem but rather a logistics problem 
independent of whatever software platform is used.  I agree, even on a small 
scale in a ~10-20-person setting is difficult even though you were able to sort 
it out with the infrastructure team.

Michal will do the best he can to provide remote participation.  He called me 
this afternoon to verify I brought a mic and I did plan ahead and brought the 
best mic I could.  I brought only one mic as I had to borrow it from my 
daughter’s holiday stash.  It is an omni-directional gaming grade mic [1].  
There is only one of them and a litany of things could go wrong during the 
event which make remote participation for Kolla difficult or even an 
impossibility.

Neither Michal nor I can guarantee people will have a positive experience or 
any experience with remote participation as based upon my experience handling 
remote participation at previous midcycles as well as others experiences on 
this thread have already stated.  Michal as requested support, and I’ve 
personally provided the best level of support I can to our PTL.  If he wants to 
cancel remote participation, he should do so tonight as people will be 
expecting remote participation Monday at 9:00AM sharp.

If Michal wishes to proceed, I would highly recommend Michal request someone in 
the PTG sessions to proxy questions or statements from IRC as I have no 
speakers to connect with the microphone and the harmonics of everyone in the 
room connecting to webex may break the I/O of the mic.  The mic may also not 
pick up all conversations.

YMMV on the quality of the remote participation including a complete inability 
to participate remotely even though we have tried very hard to enable remote 
participation on a shoestring budget. 

Regards,
-steve

[1] 
https://www.amazon.com/Blue-Yeti-USB-Microphone-Blackout/dp/B00N1YPXW2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8=1487566448=8-1=yeti+blackout

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Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [kolla] PTG Day #1 Webex remote participation

On 2017-02-19 23:17:27 + (+), Serguei Bezverkhi (sbezverk) wrote:
> @Jeremy if you have not tried thelatest webex, then sharing your
> Havana time frame webex experience is not very useful. I think you
> would agree if Havana release had some issues it would not
> automatically mean that newton has them :-)

It may seem that I was complaining about Webex, but really the bulk
of the issues were logistics-related. The way we do large rooms of
in-person participation is hard to capture with a conference call
system: managing local soundboards for all the microphones and
dozens of on-site computers scattered in different rooms, trying to
relay numerous streams over unstable network connections shared by
hundreds of on-site attendees, and the fact that it ends up being a
mostly one-way channel because making it possible for many remote
attendees to interject successfully into in-person conversations
probably requires a different style of discussion altogether.

At a smaller scale, we've successfully conferenced-bridged a couple
of remote participants into Infra team design summit sessions and
mid-cycles where there were between 10 and 20 people on site, but
that's substantially different from declaring the event is able to
support an arbitrary number of remote attendees. I've seen it work
out well in telepresence facilities, but not ad hoc installations
for conferences of the size we're talking about.
-- 
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Re: [openstack-dev] [kolla] PTG Day #1 Webex remote participation

2017-02-19 Thread Jeremy Stanley 
On 2017-02-19 23:17:27 + (+), Serguei Bezverkhi (sbezverk) wrote:
> @Jeremy if you have not tried thelatest webex, then sharing your
> Havana time frame webex experience is not very useful. I think you
> would agree if Havana release had some issues it would not
> automatically mean that newton has them :-)

It may seem that I was complaining about Webex, but really the bulk
of the issues were logistics-related. The way we do large rooms of
in-person participation is hard to capture with a conference call
system: managing local soundboards for all the microphones and
dozens of on-site computers scattered in different rooms, trying to
relay numerous streams over unstable network connections shared by
hundreds of on-site attendees, and the fact that it ends up being a
mostly one-way channel because making it possible for many remote
attendees to interject successfully into in-person conversations
probably requires a different style of discussion altogether.

At a smaller scale, we've successfully conferenced-bridged a couple
of remote participants into Infra team design summit sessions and
mid-cycles where there were between 10 and 20 people on site, but
that's substantially different from declaring the event is able to
support an arbitrary number of remote attendees. I've seen it work
out well in telepresence facilities, but not ad hoc installations
for conferences of the size we're talking about.
-- 
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Re: [openstack-dev] [kolla] PTG Day #1 Webex remote participation

2017-02-19 Thread Serguei Bezverkhi (sbezverk) 
@Jeremy if you have not tried thelatest webex, then sharing your Havana time 
frame webex experience is not very useful. I think you would agree if Havana 
release had some issues it would not automatically mean that newton has them :-)
Serguei 

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Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [kolla] PTG Day #1 Webex remote participation

I’ve attended two Kolla midcycles remotely everything Steve said here is true.  
But, as long as your expectations are set accordingly, suboptimal is better 
than nothing at all. =)

Thx,
britt

On 2/19/17, 1:09 AM, "Steven Dake (stdake)" <std...@cisco.com> wrote:

Jeremy,

Completely makes sense.  I believe the prior experience the foundation has 
had with remote participation probably won’t be much improved at the Pike PTG 
as there is no dedicated production staff and I’m not sure what type of 
teleconference hardware Michal is bringing to the PTG.  Not to mention the fact 
that the wireless services may be in a DOS state because of the number of 
attendees.

Michal asked the foundation if remote participation was an option, and they 
stated it was.  Michal had then suggested to use zoom.us and promised remote 
participation, however, that didn’t get done until Friday.  Cisco isn’t 
donating the webex services in this case; I am as a community member and Kolla 
core.

I have also found during Kolla midcycle events we have held since the 
founding of Kolla and prior to the PTG (which is the new midcycle) that every 
midcycle event with remote participation is not very optimal for participants 
for the litany of reasons you mention.

Clearly in-person PTG participation is superior to the hacked-together 
telepresence we may have available at the PTG.  I do think whatever 
teleconference hardware Michal brings to summit is better than looking at the 
output of an Etherpad where all kinds of context is lost.

For folks attending from their office remotely, don’t expect a great 
experience.  Face to face participation is always better as Jeremy has stated.

Regards
-steve

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Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [kolla] PTG Day #1 Webex remote participation

On 2017-02-18 15:46:19 + (+), Steven Dake (stdake) wrote:
[...]
> In the past the foundation has been wary of enabling remote
> participation.
[...]

Only wary because of prior experience: Cisco donated Webex service
and dedicated remote production staff for us throughout the Havana
design summit in Portland, OR. As one of the volunteers who agreed
to monitor the local systems, I can say that it was a suboptimal
solution at best. Supplied laptops acting as the "presenter"
consoles crashed/hung repeatedly, slight instabilities in conference
networking were a major impediment to streaming, omnidirectional
microphones placed throughout the conference rooms still failed to
pick up much of the conversation, and for those who did attempt to
participate remotely we heard numerous complaints about how they
couldn't follow heated discussions with dozens of participants in a
room together.
-- 
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Re: [openstack-dev] [kolla] PTG Day #1 Webex remote participation

2017-02-19 Thread Vikram Hosakote (vhosakot) 
Great, thanks a lot for setting this up Steve!

Regards,
Vikram Hosakote
IRC: vhosakot

From: "Steven Dake (stdake)" <std...@cisco.com<mailto:std...@cisco.com>>
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Subject: [openstack-dev] [kolla] PTG Day #1 Webex remote participation

Hey folks,

To take some load off Michal I've setup remote participation for day #1 of the 
PTG.

Michal had suggested he might setup zoom instead of webex, however, I haven't 
seen that happen and several people have asked on IRC how remote participation 
will work at the PTG.  If Michal sets up remote participation in some othe 
rway, ignore this email (and he will follow up with a zoom.us calendar invite).

Note I feel like google hangouts is difficult to manage and is a non-starter 
because google Is not available to our worldwide participants.

See below for details:



From: Steven Dake <messen...@webex.com<mailto:messen...@webex.com>>
Reply-To: "Steven Dake (stdake)" <std...@cisco.com<mailto:std...@cisco.com>>
Date: Saturday, February 18, 2017 at 12:02 AM
To: "Steven Dake (stdake)" <std...@cisco.com<mailto:std...@cisco.com>>
Subject: (Forward to others) WebEx meeting invitation: Kolla PTG Day #1

You can forward this invitation to others.


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Re: [openstack-dev] [kolla] PTG Day #1 Webex remote participation

2017-02-19 Thread Britt Houser (bhouser) 
I’ve attended two Kolla midcycles remotely everything Steve said here is true.  
But, as long as your expectations are set accordingly, suboptimal is better 
than nothing at all. =)

Thx,
britt

On 2/19/17, 1:09 AM, "Steven Dake (stdake)" <std...@cisco.com> wrote:

Jeremy,

Completely makes sense.  I believe the prior experience the foundation has 
had with remote participation probably won’t be much improved at the Pike PTG 
as there is no dedicated production staff and I’m not sure what type of 
teleconference hardware Michal is bringing to the PTG.  Not to mention the fact 
that the wireless services may be in a DOS state because of the number of 
attendees.

Michal asked the foundation if remote participation was an option, and they 
stated it was.  Michal had then suggested to use zoom.us and promised remote 
participation, however, that didn’t get done until Friday.  Cisco isn’t 
donating the webex services in this case; I am as a community member and Kolla 
core.

I have also found during Kolla midcycle events we have held since the 
founding of Kolla and prior to the PTG (which is the new midcycle) that every 
midcycle event with remote participation is not very optimal for participants 
for the litany of reasons you mention.

Clearly in-person PTG participation is superior to the hacked-together 
telepresence we may have available at the PTG.  I do think whatever 
teleconference hardware Michal brings to summit is better than looking at the 
output of an Etherpad where all kinds of context is lost.

For folks attending from their office remotely, don’t expect a great 
experience.  Face to face participation is always better as Jeremy has stated.

Regards
-steve

-Original Message-
From: Jeremy Stanley <fu...@yuggoth.org>
Reply-To: "OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)" 
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Date: Saturday, February 18, 2017 at 5:11 PM
To: "OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)" 
<openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org>
    Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [kolla] PTG Day #1 Webex remote participation

On 2017-02-18 15:46:19 + (+), Steven Dake (stdake) wrote:
[...]
> In the past the foundation has been wary of enabling remote
> participation.
[...]

Only wary because of prior experience: Cisco donated Webex service
and dedicated remote production staff for us throughout the Havana
design summit in Portland, OR. As one of the volunteers who agreed
to monitor the local systems, I can say that it was a suboptimal
solution at best. Supplied laptops acting as the "presenter"
consoles crashed/hung repeatedly, slight instabilities in conference
networking were a major impediment to streaming, omnidirectional
microphones placed throughout the conference rooms still failed to
pick up much of the conversation, and for those who did attempt to
participate remotely we heard numerous complaints about how they
couldn't follow heated discussions with dozens of participants in a
room together.
-- 
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Re: [openstack-dev] [kolla] PTG Day #1 Webex remote participation

2017-02-18 Thread Steven Dake (stdake) 
Jeremy,

Completely makes sense.  I believe the prior experience the foundation has had 
with remote participation probably won’t be much improved at the Pike PTG as 
there is no dedicated production staff and I’m not sure what type of 
teleconference hardware Michal is bringing to the PTG.  Not to mention the fact 
that the wireless services may be in a DOS state because of the number of 
attendees.

Michal asked the foundation if remote participation was an option, and they 
stated it was.  Michal had then suggested to use zoom.us and promised remote 
participation, however, that didn’t get done until Friday.  Cisco isn’t 
donating the webex services in this case; I am as a community member and Kolla 
core.

I have also found during Kolla midcycle events we have held since the founding 
of Kolla and prior to the PTG (which is the new midcycle) that every midcycle 
event with remote participation is not very optimal for participants for the 
litany of reasons you mention.

Clearly in-person PTG participation is superior to the hacked-together 
telepresence we may have available at the PTG.  I do think whatever 
teleconference hardware Michal brings to summit is better than looking at the 
output of an Etherpad where all kinds of context is lost.

For folks attending from their office remotely, don’t expect a great 
experience.  Face to face participation is always better as Jeremy has stated.

Regards
-steve

-Original Message-
From: Jeremy Stanley <fu...@yuggoth.org>
Reply-To: "OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)" 
<openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org>
Date: Saturday, February 18, 2017 at 5:11 PM
To: "OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)" 
<openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org>
Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [kolla] PTG Day #1 Webex remote participation

On 2017-02-18 15:46:19 + (+), Steven Dake (stdake) wrote:
[...]
> In the past the foundation has been wary of enabling remote
> participation.
[...]

Only wary because of prior experience: Cisco donated Webex service
and dedicated remote production staff for us throughout the Havana
design summit in Portland, OR. As one of the volunteers who agreed
to monitor the local systems, I can say that it was a suboptimal
solution at best. Supplied laptops acting as the "presenter"
consoles crashed/hung repeatedly, slight instabilities in conference
networking were a major impediment to streaming, omnidirectional
microphones placed throughout the conference rooms still failed to
pick up much of the conversation, and for those who did attempt to
participate remotely we heard numerous complaints about how they
couldn't follow heated discussions with dozens of participants in a
room together.
-- 
Jeremy Stanley

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Re: [openstack-dev] [kolla] PTG Day #1 Webex remote participation

2017-02-18 Thread Jeremy Stanley 
On 2017-02-18 15:46:19 + (+), Steven Dake (stdake) wrote:
[...]
> In the past the foundation has been wary of enabling remote
> participation.
[...]

Only wary because of prior experience: Cisco donated Webex service
and dedicated remote production staff for us throughout the Havana
design summit in Portland, OR. As one of the volunteers who agreed
to monitor the local systems, I can say that it was a suboptimal
solution at best. Supplied laptops acting as the "presenter"
consoles crashed/hung repeatedly, slight instabilities in conference
networking were a major impediment to streaming, omnidirectional
microphones placed throughout the conference rooms still failed to
pick up much of the conversation, and for those who did attempt to
participate remotely we heard numerous complaints about how they
couldn't follow heated discussions with dozens of participants in a
room together.
-- 
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Re: [openstack-dev] [kolla] PTG Day #1 Webex remote participation

2017-02-18 Thread Steven Dake (stdake) 
Brandon,

Happy to help where I can.  I can’t be everywhere sadly.

Regards
-steve


From: "Brandon B. Jozsa" <bjo...@jinkit.com>
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Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [kolla] PTG Day #1 Webex remote participation





From: Steven Dake (stdake) <std...@cisco.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2017 10:46 AM
To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)
Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [kolla] PTG Day #1 Webex remote participation


Brandon,



It is really up to the individual projects to enable remote participation.  The 
foundation greenlit Kolla’s Monday and Tuesday design sessions enabling remote 
participation if the Kolla project did the legwork on providing the remote 
participation mechanism.



- This is great to know for future PTG's. I'm glad you sent this information 
out, and I will forward to any members on our team who are interested in 
attending the Kolla PTG sessions.



In the past the foundation has been wary of enabling remote participation.  I’m 
not sure why, however, your email brings up a good argument that remote 
participation makes it more difficult for the foundation to manage the events 
and puts extra strain on the already strained PTLs to self-organize such 
participation.



Hope that information helps.



- Very helpful; thank you! I think that it's great to enable remote 
participation. I'm just not sure where the line gets drawn now for those who 
receive financial assistance vs. those who can participate via web conferences. 
I'm not going any deeper than saying that it leaves some room 
improvement/clarification. (Oh, and that I personally like Zoom or even 
https://appear.in/).



- For our part, I know that some of our team members who will be really excited 
that there is now an opportunity to participate with at least one project at 
the PTG. Thanks, Steve.



Regards

-steve





From: "Brandon B. Jozsa" <bjo...@jinkit.com>
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Date: Saturday, February 18, 2017 at 5:27 AM
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Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [kolla] PTG Day #1 Webex remote participation



This is a great idea Steve! I didn't realize that this option was available. 
Could all the sessions do this? We have some folks that aren't able to come due 
to budget constraints, but this would allow them to participate at the PTG 
sessions.



--

Brandon B. Jozsa



From: Steven Dake (stdake) <std...@cisco.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2017 2:16:36 AM
To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)
Subject: [openstack-dev] [kolla] PTG Day #1 Webex remote participation



Hey folks,



To take some load off Michal I’ve setup remote participation for day #1 of the 
PTG.



Michal had suggested he might setup zoom instead of webex, however, I haven’t 
seen that happen and several people have asked on IRC how remote participation 
will work at the PTG.  If Michal sets up remote participation in some othe 
rway, ignore this email (and he will follow up with a zoom.us calendar invite).



Note I feel like google hangouts is difficult to manage and is a non-starter 
because google Is not available to our worldwide participants.



See below for details:







From: Steven Dake <messen...@webex.com>
Reply-To: "Steven Dake (stdake)" <std...@cisco.com>
Date: Saturday, February 18, 2017 at 12:02 AM
To: "Steven Dake (stdake)" <std...@cisco.com>
Subject: (Forward to others) WebEx meeting invitation: Kolla PTG Day #1



You can forward this invitation to others.




Hello,


Steven Dake invites you to join this WebEx meeting.









Kolla PTG Day #1


Monday, February 20, 2017


9:00 am  |  Eastern Standard Time (New York, GMT-05:00)  |  6 hrs









Join WebEx meeting 
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Re: [openstack-dev] [kolla] PTG Day #1 Webex remote participation

2017-02-18 Thread Brandon B. Jozsa 



From: Steven Dake (stdake) <std...@cisco.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2017 10:46 AM
To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)
Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [kolla] PTG Day #1 Webex remote participation


Brandon,



It is really up to the individual projects to enable remote participation.  The 
foundation greenlit Kolla’s Monday and Tuesday design sessions enabling remote 
participation if the Kolla project did the legwork on providing the remote 
participation mechanism.


- This is great to know for future PTG's. I'm glad you sent this information 
out, and I will forward to any members on our team who are interested in 
attending the Kolla PTG sessions.


In the past the foundation has been wary of enabling remote participation.  I’m 
not sure why, however, your email brings up a good argument that remote 
participation makes it more difficult for the foundation to manage the events 
and puts extra strain on the already strained PTLs to self-organize such 
participation.



Hope that information helps.


- Very helpful; thank you! I think that it's great to enable remote 
participation. I'm just not sure where the line gets drawn now for those who 
receive financial assistance vs. those who can participate via web conferences. 
I'm not going any deeper than saying that it leaves some room 
improvement/clarification. (Oh, and that I personally like Zoom or even 
https://appear.in/).


- For our part, I know that some of our team members who will be really excited 
that there is now an opportunity to participate with at least one project at 
the PTG. Thanks, Steve.



Regards

-steve





From: "Brandon B. Jozsa" <bjo...@jinkit.com>
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Date: Saturday, February 18, 2017 at 5:27 AM
To: "OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)" 
<openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org>
Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [kolla] PTG Day #1 Webex remote participation



This is a great idea Steve! I didn't realize that this option was available. 
Could all the sessions do this? We have some folks that aren't able to come due 
to budget constraints, but this would allow them to participate at the PTG 
sessions.



--

Brandon B. Jozsa



From: Steven Dake (stdake) <std...@cisco.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2017 2:16:36 AM
To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)
Subject: [openstack-dev] [kolla] PTG Day #1 Webex remote participation



Hey folks,



To take some load off Michal I’ve setup remote participation for day #1 of the 
PTG.



Michal had suggested he might setup zoom instead of webex, however, I haven’t 
seen that happen and several people have asked on IRC how remote participation 
will work at the PTG.  If Michal sets up remote participation in some othe 
rway, ignore this email (and he will follow up with a zoom.us calendar invite).



Note I feel like google hangouts is difficult to manage and is a non-starter 
because google Is not available to our worldwide participants.



See below for details:







From: Steven Dake <messen...@webex.com>
Reply-To: "Steven Dake (stdake)" <std...@cisco.com>
Date: Saturday, February 18, 2017 at 12:02 AM
To: "Steven Dake (stdake)" <std...@cisco.com>
Subject: (Forward to others) WebEx meeting invitation: Kolla PTG Day #1



You can forward this invitation to others.




Hello,


Steven Dake invites you to join this WebEx meeting.









Kolla PTG Day #1


Monday, February 20, 2017


9:00 am  |  Eastern Standard Time (New York, GMT-05:00)  |  6 hrs









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Meeting number:


204 403 514


Meeting password:


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Re: [openstack-dev] [kolla] PTG Day #1 Webex remote participation

2017-02-18 Thread Steven Dake (stdake) 
Brandon,

It is really up to the individual projects to enable remote participation.  The 
foundation greenlit Kolla’s Monday and Tuesday design sessions enabling remote 
participation if the Kolla project did the legwork on providing the remote 
participation mechanism.  In the past the foundation has been wary of enabling 
remote participation.  I’m not sure why, however, your email brings up a good 
argument that remote participation makes it more difficult for the foundation 
to manage the events and puts extra strain on the already strained PTLs to 
self-organize such participation.

Hope that information helps.

Regards
-steve


From: "Brandon B. Jozsa" <bjo...@jinkit.com>
Reply-To: "OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)" 
<openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org>
Date: Saturday, February 18, 2017 at 5:27 AM
To: "OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)" 
<openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org>
Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [kolla] PTG Day #1 Webex remote participation


This is a great idea Steve! I didn't realize that this option was available. 
Could all the sessions do this? We have some folks that aren't able to come due 
to budget constraints, but this would allow them to participate at the PTG 
sessions.



--

Brandon B. Jozsa


From: Steven Dake (stdake) <std...@cisco.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2017 2:16:36 AM
To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)
Subject: [openstack-dev] [kolla] PTG Day #1 Webex remote participation

Hey folks,

To take some load off Michal I’ve setup remote participation for day #1 of the 
PTG.

Michal had suggested he might setup zoom instead of webex, however, I haven’t 
seen that happen and several people have asked on IRC how remote participation 
will work at the PTG.  If Michal sets up remote participation in some othe 
rway, ignore this email (and he will follow up with a zoom.us calendar invite).

Note I feel like google hangouts is difficult to manage and is a non-starter 
because google Is not available to our worldwide participants.

See below for details:



From: Steven Dake <messen...@webex.com>
Reply-To: "Steven Dake (stdake)" <std...@cisco.com>
Date: Saturday, February 18, 2017 at 12:02 AM
To: "Steven Dake (stdake)" <std...@cisco.com>
Subject: (Forward to others) WebEx meeting invitation: Kolla PTG Day #1

You can forward this invitation to others.


Hello,

Steven Dake invites you to join this WebEx meeting.





Kolla PTG Day #1

Monday, February 20, 2017

9:00 am  |  Eastern Standard Time (New York, GMT-05:00)  |  6 hrs





Join WebEx meeting 
<https://cisco.webex.com/ciscosales/j.php?MTID=meee9d3a0d0ee3020f83cc6253dc356b1>


Meeting number:

204 403 514

Meeting password:

OpenStackKolla (67367822 from phones)


Join from a video conferencing system or application

Dial 204403...@cisco.webex.com<%20sip:204403...@cisco.webex.com>

From the Cisco internal network, dial *267* and the 9-digit meeting number. If 
you are the host, enter your PIN when prompted.





Join by phone

+1-866-432-9903 Call-in toll-free number (US/Canada)

+1-408-525-6800 Call-in toll number (US/Canada)

Access code: 204 403 514

Global call-in 
numbers<https://cisco.webex.com/ciscosales/globalcallin.php?serviceType=MC=376657412=1>
  |  Toll-free calling 
restrictions<https://www.webex.com/pdf/tollfree_restrictions.pdf>





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Re: [openstack-dev] [kolla] PTG Day #1 Webex remote participation

2017-02-18 Thread Brandon B. Jozsa 
This is a great idea Steve! I didn't realize that this option was available. 
Could all the sessions do this? We have some folks that aren't able to come due 
to budget constraints, but this would allow them to participate at the PTG 
sessions.


--

Brandon B. Jozsa


From: Steven Dake (stdake) <std...@cisco.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2017 2:16:36 AM
To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)
Subject: [openstack-dev] [kolla] PTG Day #1 Webex remote participation

Hey folks,

To take some load off Michal I’ve setup remote participation for day #1 of the 
PTG.

Michal had suggested he might setup zoom instead of webex, however, I haven’t 
seen that happen and several people have asked on IRC how remote participation 
will work at the PTG.  If Michal sets up remote participation in some othe 
rway, ignore this email (and he will follow up with a zoom.us calendar invite).

Note I feel like google hangouts is difficult to manage and is a non-starter 
because google Is not available to our worldwide participants.

See below for details:



From: Steven Dake <messen...@webex.com>
Reply-To: "Steven Dake (stdake)" <std...@cisco.com>
Date: Saturday, February 18, 2017 at 12:02 AM
To: "Steven Dake (stdake)" <std...@cisco.com>
Subject: (Forward to others) WebEx meeting invitation: Kolla PTG Day #1

You can forward this invitation to others.


Hello,

Steven Dake invites you to join this WebEx meeting.





Kolla PTG Day #1

Monday, February 20, 2017

9:00 am  |  Eastern Standard Time (New York, GMT-05:00)  |  6 hrs





Join WebEx meeting 
<https://cisco.webex.com/ciscosales/j.php?MTID=meee9d3a0d0ee3020f83cc6253dc356b1>


Meeting number:

204 403 514

Meeting password:

OpenStackKolla (67367822 from phones)


Join from a video conferencing system or application

Dial 204403...@cisco.webex.com<%20sip:204403...@cisco.webex.com>

>From the Cisco internal network, dial *267* and the 9-digit meeting number. If 
>you are the host, enter your PIN when prompted.





Join by phone

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[openstack-dev] [kolla] PTG Day #1 Webex remote participation

2017-02-17 Thread Steven Dake (stdake) 
Hey folks,

To take some load off Michal I’ve setup remote participation for day #1 of the 
PTG.

Michal had suggested he might setup zoom instead of webex, however, I haven’t 
seen that happen and several people have asked on IRC how remote participation 
will work at the PTG.  If Michal sets up remote participation in some othe 
rway, ignore this email (and he will follow up with a zoom.us calendar invite).

Note I feel like google hangouts is difficult to manage and is a non-starter 
because google Is not available to our worldwide participants.

See below for details:



From: Steven Dake 
Reply-To: "Steven Dake (stdake)" 
Date: Saturday, February 18, 2017 at 12:02 AM
To: "Steven Dake (stdake)" 
Subject: (Forward to others) WebEx meeting invitation: Kolla PTG Day #1

You can forward this invitation to others.


Hello,

Steven Dake invites you to join this WebEx meeting.





Kolla PTG Day #1

Monday, February 20, 2017

9:00 am  |  Eastern Standard Time (New York, GMT-05:00)  |  6 hrs





Join WebEx meeting 



Meeting number:

204 403 514

Meeting password:

OpenStackKolla (67367822 from phones)


Join from a video conferencing system or application

Dial 204403...@cisco.webex.com<%20sip:204403...@cisco.webex.com>

From the Cisco internal network, dial *267* and the 9-digit meeting number. If 
you are the host, enter your PIN when prompted.





Join by phone

+1-866-432-9903 Call-in toll-free number (US/Canada)

+1-408-525-6800 Call-in toll number (US/Canada)

Access code: 204 403 514

Global call-in 
numbers
  |  Toll-free calling 
restrictions





Add this 
meeting
 to your calendar. (Cannot add from mobile devices.)





Can't join the meeting? Contact support.





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