Re: [openstack-dev] [tc][all] Discussing goals (upgrades) with community @ office hours
I am interested in participating in this discussion. I think we have had a few goals that were selected before all of the parts were in place. This leads to re-work and/or pushing goals work into the already busy milestone 3 time frame. Michael On Mon, Oct 15, 2018 at 5:16 AM Chris Dent wrote: > > On Sat, 13 Oct 2018, Mohammed Naser wrote: > > > Does this seem like it would be of interest to the community? I am > > currently trying to transform our office hours to be more of a space > > where we have more of the community and less of discussion between us. > > If we want discussion to actually be with the community at large > (rather than giving lip service to the idea), then we need to be > more oriented to using email. Each time we have an office hour or a > meeting in IRC or elsewhere, or an ad hoc Hangout, unless we are > super disciplined about reporting the details to email afterwards, a > great deal of information falls on the floor and individuals who are > unable to attend because of time, space, language or other > constraints are left out. > > For community-wide issues, synchronous discussion should be the mode > of last resort. Anything else creates a priesthood with a > disempowered laity wondering how things got away from them. > > For community goals, in particular, preferring email for discussion > and planning seems pretty key. > > I wonder if instead of specifying topics for TC office hours, we kill > them instead? They've turned into gossiping echo chambers. > > -- > Chris Dent ٩◔̯◔۶ https://anticdent.org/ > freenode: cdent tw: > @anticdent__ > OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) > Unsubscribe: openstack-dev-requ...@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe > http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev __ OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Unsubscribe: openstack-dev-requ...@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
Re: [openstack-dev] [tc][all] Discussing goals (upgrades) with community @ office hours
On Sat, 13 Oct 2018, Mohammed Naser wrote: Does this seem like it would be of interest to the community? I am currently trying to transform our office hours to be more of a space where we have more of the community and less of discussion between us. If we want discussion to actually be with the community at large (rather than giving lip service to the idea), then we need to be more oriented to using email. Each time we have an office hour or a meeting in IRC or elsewhere, or an ad hoc Hangout, unless we are super disciplined about reporting the details to email afterwards, a great deal of information falls on the floor and individuals who are unable to attend because of time, space, language or other constraints are left out. For community-wide issues, synchronous discussion should be the mode of last resort. Anything else creates a priesthood with a disempowered laity wondering how things got away from them. For community goals, in particular, preferring email for discussion and planning seems pretty key. I wonder if instead of specifying topics for TC office hours, we kill them instead? They've turned into gossiping echo chambers. -- Chris Dent ٩◔̯◔۶ https://anticdent.org/ freenode: cdent tw: @anticdent__ OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Unsubscribe: openstack-dev-requ...@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
Re: [openstack-dev] [tc][all] Discussing goals (upgrades) with community @ office hours
On Sat, 2018-10-13 at 15:04 +0200, Mohammed Naser wrote: > I wanted to propose one of the upcoming office hours to perhaps > invite > some of the community members (PTL, developers, anyone!) as well as > the TC with goal champions to perhaps discuss some of these goals to > help everyone get a clear view on what's going on. > > Does this seem like it would be of interest to the community? I am > currently trying to transform our office hours to be more of a space > where we have more of the community and less of discussion between > us. > Great idea, mnaser. I think it's good if we discuss all together during office hours! I believe the office hours should not only be used for discussing progress by subject-matter experts (SME), but also a place for the community to discuss cross-team issues, and victories. I like to have goal champions talking about progress in the next office hours. +1! JP __ OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Unsubscribe: openstack-dev-requ...@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
Re: [openstack-dev] [tc][all] Discussing goals (upgrades) with community @ office hours
On Sat, 13 Oct 2018 22:04:16 +0900 Mohammed Naser wrote > Hi everyone! > > It looks like we're not going to be able to have a TC meeting every 2 > weeks as I had hoped for, the majority of the TC seems to want to meet > once every month. However, I wanted to ask if the community would be > interested in taking one of the upcoming office hours to discuss the > current community goals, more specifically upgrades. > > It's been brought to my attention by some community members that they > feel like we've been deciding goals too early without having enough > maturity in terms of implementation. In addition, it seems like the > final implementation way is not fully baked in by the time we create > the goal. This was brought up in the WSGI goal last time and it looks > like there is some oddities at the moment with "do we implement our > own stuff?" "do we use the new oslo library?" "is the library even > ready?" > > I wanted to propose one of the upcoming office hours to perhaps invite > some of the community members (PTL, developers, anyone!) as well as > the TC with goal champions to perhaps discuss some of these goals to > help everyone get a clear view on what's going on. > > Does this seem like it would be of interest to the community? I am > currently trying to transform our office hours to be more of a space > where we have more of the community and less of discussion between us. Thanks naser, this is good idea. Office hour is perfect time to have more technical and help-needed discussions for set goals or cross project work. Which office hour(Tue, Wed, Thur) we will use for this discussion? > > Regards, > Mohammed > > __ > OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) > Unsubscribe: openstack-dev-requ...@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe > http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev > __ OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Unsubscribe: openstack-dev-requ...@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
[openstack-dev] [tc][all] Discussing goals (upgrades) with community @ office hours
Hi everyone! It looks like we're not going to be able to have a TC meeting every 2 weeks as I had hoped for, the majority of the TC seems to want to meet once every month. However, I wanted to ask if the community would be interested in taking one of the upcoming office hours to discuss the current community goals, more specifically upgrades. It's been brought to my attention by some community members that they feel like we've been deciding goals too early without having enough maturity in terms of implementation. In addition, it seems like the final implementation way is not fully baked in by the time we create the goal. This was brought up in the WSGI goal last time and it looks like there is some oddities at the moment with "do we implement our own stuff?" "do we use the new oslo library?" "is the library even ready?" I wanted to propose one of the upcoming office hours to perhaps invite some of the community members (PTL, developers, anyone!) as well as the TC with goal champions to perhaps discuss some of these goals to help everyone get a clear view on what's going on. Does this seem like it would be of interest to the community? I am currently trying to transform our office hours to be more of a space where we have more of the community and less of discussion between us. Regards, Mohammed __ OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Unsubscribe: openstack-dev-requ...@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
