Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Mid-cycle sprint for remote people ?
On 07/01/2014 03:40 PM, Sylvain Bauza wrote: Hi, I won't be able to attend the mid-cycle sprint due to a good family reason (a new baby 2.0 release expected to land by these dates), so I'm wondering if it's possible to webcast some of the sessions so people who are not there can still share their voices ? +1 I would be very interested in this as well, as I too won't be able to make it this time sadly. Thanks, N. -Sylvain ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Mid-cycle sprint for remote people ?
Sylvain Bauza wrote: Hi, I won't be able to attend the mid-cycle sprint due to a good family reason (a new baby 2.0 release expected to land by these dates), so I'm wondering if it's possible to webcast some of the sessions so people who are not there can still share their voices ? It's the same issues we have with remote participation to design summit sessions. It's possible to arrange a specific person (or set of persons) to attend a specific session (via some combination of tools). It's impossible to let everyone attend everything without significantly impacting the quality of the in-person discussion. So ideally the agenda would identify key missing stakeholders for specific sessions, and try to patch them in. And in all cases, you must make sure any discussion is documented and no decision is final, so that excluded people can still chime in. Regards, -- Thierry Carrez (ttx) ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Mid-cycle sprint for remote people ?
On 07/02/2014 06:09 AM, Thierry Carrez wrote: Sylvain Bauza wrote: Hi, I won't be able to attend the mid-cycle sprint due to a good family reason (a new baby 2.0 release expected to land by these dates), so I'm wondering if it's possible to webcast some of the sessions so people who are not there can still share their voices ? It's the same issues we have with remote participation to design summit sessions. It's possible to arrange a specific person (or set of persons) to attend a specific session (via some combination of tools). It's impossible to let everyone attend everything without significantly impacting the quality of the in-person discussion. As a remote participant at the last mid-cycle meeting I'm going to agree with this. I successfully participated in a few topics and otherwise just tried to listen in to what was being discussed. Getting involved with most discussions was difficult because although the audio was quite good for a remote setup there were two challenges. I couldn't catch everything that was said and was likely to mention something that had already been discussed, which regressed the conversation. And because one participant in the call is a room and not someone close to a microphone you end up having to treat it like a half-duplex connection which significantly slows down discussion. So while I enjoyed listening in and am very thankful for the opportunity to have done so, it is not at all a substitute for being there. So ideally the agenda would identify key missing stakeholders for specific sessions, and try to patch them in. And in all cases, you must make sure any discussion is documented and no decision is final, so that excluded people can still chime in. Regards, ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Mid-cycle sprint for remote people ?
Le 02/07/2014 14:51, Andrew Laski a écrit : On 07/02/2014 06:09 AM, Thierry Carrez wrote: Sylvain Bauza wrote: Hi, I won't be able to attend the mid-cycle sprint due to a good family reason (a new baby 2.0 release expected to land by these dates), so I'm wondering if it's possible to webcast some of the sessions so people who are not there can still share their voices ? It's the same issues we have with remote participation to design summit sessions. It's possible to arrange a specific person (or set of persons) to attend a specific session (via some combination of tools). It's impossible to let everyone attend everything without significantly impacting the quality of the in-person discussion. As a remote participant at the last mid-cycle meeting I'm going to agree with this. I successfully participated in a few topics and otherwise just tried to listen in to what was being discussed. Getting involved with most discussions was difficult because although the audio was quite good for a remote setup there were two challenges. I couldn't catch everything that was said and was likely to mention something that had already been discussed, which regressed the conversation. And because one participant in the call is a room and not someone close to a microphone you end up having to treat it like a half-duplex connection which significantly slows down discussion. So while I enjoyed listening in and am very thankful for the opportunity to have done so, it is not at all a substitute for being there. So ideally the agenda would identify key missing stakeholders for specific sessions, and try to patch them in. And in all cases, you must make sure any discussion is documented and no decision is final, so that excluded people can still chime in. Regards, Hi Andrew and Thierry, Thanks for your feedbacks. I truly understand that most of the time, remote people slow down the live conversation because of the audio quality or bad understandings. With regards to that, I would propose the following : - key missing participants need to be identified for each session (possibly based on voting) and only those would be possibly participating remotely. Others could still listen to the stream but no voice could be shared - for the key participants, a local peer has to be proposed who will be attending the session and proxy the remote voice. No audio question from the remotee, he has to type the questions to his peer so the peer can speak in behalf of him - the key missing participant has to accept that the peer would possibly not share exactly his ideas. That's a voting delegation (well, sort of...) so if questions have to be made to the questioner, that's the peer who would answers, without waiting the remote answer. - the peer has to accept the extra overload that represents a mixed IRC+live communication. The idea above is just to find a way to have some interactivity, but with still the idea that in-person discussions stay the only way to communicate. -Sylvain ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Mid-cycle sprint for remote people ?
At minimum I can arrange for a phone bridge at the sprint (Intel `lives` on phone conferences) so we can certainly do that. Video might be more problematic, I know we did something with Google Plus at the last sprint but I don't know the details on that. -- Don Dugger Censeo Toto nos in Kansa esse decisse. - D. Gale Ph: 303/443-3786 -Original Message- From: Sylvain Bauza [mailto:sba...@redhat.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 1, 2014 7:40 AM To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Subject: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Mid-cycle sprint for remote people ? Hi, I won't be able to attend the mid-cycle sprint due to a good family reason (a new baby 2.0 release expected to land by these dates), so I'm wondering if it's possible to webcast some of the sessions so people who are not there can still share their voices ? -Sylvain ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Mid-cycle sprint for remote people ?
We were talking about doing something with google+ for Chris Yeoh, but haven't really progressed the plan. Does someone want to pick up the ball with that or shall I? Michael On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 11:50 PM, Dugger, Donald D donald.d.dug...@intel.com wrote: At minimum I can arrange for a phone bridge at the sprint (Intel `lives` on phone conferences) so we can certainly do that. Video might be more problematic, I know we did something with Google Plus at the last sprint but I don't know the details on that. -- Don Dugger Censeo Toto nos in Kansa esse decisse. - D. Gale Ph: 303/443-3786 -Original Message- From: Sylvain Bauza [mailto:sba...@redhat.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 1, 2014 7:40 AM To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Subject: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Mid-cycle sprint for remote people ? Hi, I won't be able to attend the mid-cycle sprint due to a good family reason (a new baby 2.0 release expected to land by these dates), so I'm wondering if it's possible to webcast some of the sessions so people who are not there can still share their voices ? -Sylvain ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev -- Rackspace Australia ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
