Re: [Openstack-operators] [publicClouds-wg] Public Cloud Working Group

[David F Flanders]

+1 for *quantifiable output(s)* as 'measure of success' for successful
working groups.

TL;DR= Disclaimer: the below is mostly anecdotal, very happy to engage in a
conversation for what others feel are patterns of success for a [User]-WG.

For example, WGs which have clear outputs like the following are the ones
whose membership increases (as opposed to long-standing 'talk shop' WGs,
whose membership slowly fades[1] <-- from my observations).

Examples of WG task success IMHO [2]:

 - The Scientific-WG (lead by Cambridge Uni) produced the HPC atop
OpenStack book, of which ~250 copies were given out at Super Computing,
with significant BoF and panels attendance as quantifiable evidence of
their success.

 - The AppEco-WG (lead by Intel) produced their report / whitePaper on
API/SDK usability which lead to the creation ShadeSDK training which has
been used to help get 500+ hackathon participants using OpenStack as part
of their hacks.

 - The Fault-Genes-WG has a database of examples they are curating planned
along with accompany white paper.

- The Enterprise-WG has an 'Moving Apps to OpenStack' book currently being
completed.

- The CloudAppHack-WG (with a wonderfully simple remit) provides
coordination, advice and guidance to community members who want to run an
'application hackathon' (and connects them with the sponsors required to do
so).

I'd really like to see the PublicClouds-WG start with, "what are some tasks
which group members need to do already as part of their day job, and whom
else might want to jump in and help because it benefits their job's
remit'.  Often it is 1-3 people who are the driving force behind these
outputs with the rest of WG acting as an essential sounding board.

[1]= NB there is a good place for WGs who are 'talk shops' as well, but
with the understanding that their should be a declared time limit and date
for achieving a public declaration (and close of the WG).  See 'Boston Open
Science Cloud Congress and forthcoming Declaration' efforts.

[2]= As per all my public correspondence, this is me responding in my
capacity as a community member (not necessarily the PoV of the Foundation).

Best, Flanders


On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 6:50 AM, Stefano Maffulli 
wrote:

> Hello folks,
>
> On 11/15/2016 02:43 AM, matt Jarvis wrote:
> > I'd like to propose that, in line with the new process for creation of
> > working groups, we set up some initial IRC meetings for all interested
> > parties.
>
> I'll be glad to read summaries and participate to conversations on the
> mailing list on this topic. I can't commit to join IRC meetings.
>
> > The goals for these initial meetings would be :
> >
> > 1. Define the overall scope and mission statement for the working group
>
> I would suggest to make sure scope and mission include a very
> quantifiable output of the WG, as this is not clear to me at the moment.
> What is this group hoping to produce?
>
> Cheers,
> stef
>
>
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> explicitly cc me.
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Re: [Openstack-operators] [publicClouds-wg] Public Cloud Working Group

[matt Jarvis]

So judging from the Doodle poll results, 1400 UTC bi-weekly on a Wednesday
is the favourite choice. I will go ahead and book one of the IRC meeting
rooms. Once that's done, I'll put together a draft agenda for a first
meeting, and publicise to the lists again. Thanks for all your input so far
!

On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 8:55 AM, matt Jarvis  wrote:

> Whoops, just realised I can't send to these lists with multiple additional
> recipients, so sending again separately ..
>
> Thank you for all of your interest in this proposal. In order to move
> things to the next stage I need to organise a first IRC meeting, and I
> think it's probably most appropriate to book one of the openstack-meeting
> channels rather than use openstack-operators. Having looked at the current
> usage, it looks like every 2 weeks on a Wednesday would work initially, and
> there are two times which look possible, 14:00 and 19:00 UTC. The meeting
> schedule is fairly complicated, so there may be other options if neither of
> these works for a quorum, but can I suggest we start with these options and
> work from there ? I've put together a Doodle poll with the two options, and
> I'd appreciate your participation in the poll before I go ahead and try to
> book a slot.
>
> http://doodle.com/poll/be43ysxhg5iq3uha
>
> On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 10:43 AM, matt Jarvis 
> wrote:
>
>> So after input from a variety of sources over the last few weeks, I'd
>> very much like to try and put together a public cloud working group, with
>> the very high level goal of representing the interests of the public cloud
>> provider community around the globe.
>>
>> I'd like to propose that, in line with the new process for creation of
>> working groups, we set up some initial IRC meetings for all interested
>> parties. The goals for these initial meetings would be :
>>
>> 1. Define the overall scope and mission statement for the working group
>> 2. Set out the constituency for the group - communication methods,
>> definitions of public clouds, meeting schedules, chairs etc.
>> 3. Identify areas of interest - eg. technical issues, collaboration
>> opportunities
>>
>> Before I go ahead and schedule first meetings, I'd very much like to
>> gather input from the community on interested parties, and if this seems
>> like a reasonable first step forward. My thought initially was to schedule
>> a first meeting on #openstack-operators and then decide on best timings,
>> locations and communication methods from there, but again I'd welcome
>> input.
>>
>> At this point it would seem to me that one of the key metrics for this
>> working group to be successful is participation as widely as possible
>> within the public cloud provider community, currently approximately 21
>> companies globally according to https://www.openstack.org/m
>> arketplace/public-clouds/. If we could get representation from all of
>> those companies in any potential working group, then that would clearly be
>> the best outcome, although that may be optimistic ! As has become clear at
>> recent Ops events, it may be that not all of those companies are
>> represented on these lists, so I'd welcome any input on the best way to
>> reach out to those folks.
>>
>> Matt
>>
>
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Re: [Openstack-operators] [publicClouds-wg] Public Cloud Working Group

[matt Jarvis]

Hi Stefano

I think there are a number of goals that the WG can focus on, both
technical and collaborative, and that will be one of the first items to
work through. At a very high level I see this as being important to
represent the interests of the growing public cloud community on an ongoing
basis. From a technical perspective, there are features and requirements
emerging from the public cloud community which perhaps aren't high on
others agenda. We can take as an example the recent discussions about lack
of dev maintenance for VPNaaS, and in that particular case I think it also
throws up an interesting question about how smaller companies who perhaps
can't contribute an entire development head might collaborate to support a
particular piece of development, so exploring different collaboration
models like that. I'd also like to focus on how we can encourage further
uptake of OpenStack public cloud, and one of the areas that I've been
thinking about is how we address some of the challenges of the emergence of
the multi-cloud model, and what that means for us from a feature set
perspective. This covers interop and the potential for federation, but also
raises questions about standards around naming of objects, network creation
patterns and a bunch of other stuff which I think this WG can start to
address.

Matt


On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 7:50 PM, Stefano Maffulli 
wrote:

> Hello folks,
>
> On 11/15/2016 02:43 AM, matt Jarvis wrote:
> > I'd like to propose that, in line with the new process for creation of
> > working groups, we set up some initial IRC meetings for all interested
> > parties.
>
> I'll be glad to read summaries and participate to conversations on the
> mailing list on this topic. I can't commit to join IRC meetings.
>
> > The goals for these initial meetings would be :
> >
> > 1. Define the overall scope and mission statement for the working group
>
> I would suggest to make sure scope and mission include a very
> quantifiable output of the WG, as this is not clear to me at the moment.
> What is this group hoping to produce?
>
> Cheers,
> stef
>
>
> PS I read all the messages on this mailing list, you don't need to
> explicitly cc me.
>
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Re: [Openstack-operators] [publicClouds-wg] Public Cloud Working Group

[Stefano Maffulli]

Hello folks,

On 11/15/2016 02:43 AM, matt Jarvis wrote:
> I'd like to propose that, in line with the new process for creation of
> working groups, we set up some initial IRC meetings for all interested
> parties. 

I'll be glad to read summaries and participate to conversations on the
mailing list on this topic. I can't commit to join IRC meetings.

> The goals for these initial meetings would be :
> 
> 1. Define the overall scope and mission statement for the working group

I would suggest to make sure scope and mission include a very
quantifiable output of the WG, as this is not clear to me at the moment.
What is this group hoping to produce?

Cheers,
stef


PS I read all the messages on this mailing list, you don't need to
explicitly cc me.

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Re: [Openstack-operators] [publicClouds-wg] Public Cloud Working Group

[matt Jarvis]

Whoops, just realised I can't send to these lists with multiple additional
recipients, so sending again separately ..

Thank you for all of your interest in this proposal. In order to move
things to the next stage I need to organise a first IRC meeting, and I
think it's probably most appropriate to book one of the openstack-meeting
channels rather than use openstack-operators. Having looked at the current
usage, it looks like every 2 weeks on a Wednesday would work initially, and
there are two times which look possible, 14:00 and 19:00 UTC. The meeting
schedule is fairly complicated, so there may be other options if neither of
these works for a quorum, but can I suggest we start with these options and
work from there ? I've put together a Doodle poll with the two options, and
I'd appreciate your participation in the poll before I go ahead and try to
book a slot.

http://doodle.com/poll/be43ysxhg5iq3uha

On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 10:43 AM, matt Jarvis 
wrote:

> So after input from a variety of sources over the last few weeks, I'd very
> much like to try and put together a public cloud working group, with the
> very high level goal of representing the interests of the public cloud
> provider community around the globe.
>
> I'd like to propose that, in line with the new process for creation of
> working groups, we set up some initial IRC meetings for all interested
> parties. The goals for these initial meetings would be :
>
> 1. Define the overall scope and mission statement for the working group
> 2. Set out the constituency for the group - communication methods,
> definitions of public clouds, meeting schedules, chairs etc.
> 3. Identify areas of interest - eg. technical issues, collaboration
> opportunities
>
> Before I go ahead and schedule first meetings, I'd very much like to
> gather input from the community on interested parties, and if this seems
> like a reasonable first step forward. My thought initially was to schedule
> a first meeting on #openstack-operators and then decide on best timings,
> locations and communication methods from there, but again I'd welcome
> input.
>
> At this point it would seem to me that one of the key metrics for this
> working group to be successful is participation as widely as possible
> within the public cloud provider community, currently approximately 21
> companies globally according to https://www.openstack.org/
> marketplace/public-clouds/. If we could get representation from all of
> those companies in any potential working group, then that would clearly be
> the best outcome, although that may be optimistic ! As has become clear at
> recent Ops events, it may be that not all of those companies are
> represented on these lists, so I'd welcome any input on the best way to
> reach out to those folks.
>
> Matt
>
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Re: [Openstack-operators] [publicClouds-wg] Public Cloud Working Group

[Adam Kijak]

I'm interested as well :)


From: matt Jarvis <m...@mattjarvis.org.uk>
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2016 11:43 AM
To: OpenStack Operators; user-committee
Subject: [Openstack-operators] [publicClouds-wg] Public Cloud Working Group

So after input from a variety of sources over the last few weeks, I'd very much 
like to try and put together a public cloud working group, with the very high 
level goal of representing the interests of the public cloud provider community 
around the globe.

I'd like to propose that, in line with the new process for creation of working 
groups, we set up some initial IRC meetings for all interested parties. The 
goals for these initial meetings would be :

1. Define the overall scope and mission statement for the working group
2. Set out the constituency for the group - communication methods, definitions 
of public clouds, meeting schedules, chairs etc.
3. Identify areas of interest - eg. technical issues, collaboration 
opportunities

Before I go ahead and schedule first meetings, I'd very much like to gather 
input from the community on interested parties, and if this seems like a 
reasonable first step forward. My thought initially was to schedule a first 
meeting on #openstack-operators and then decide on best timings, locations and 
communication methods from there, but again I'd welcome input.

At this point it would seem to me that one of the key metrics for this working 
group to be successful is participation as widely as possible within the public 
cloud provider community, currently approximately 21 companies globally 
according to https://www.openstack.org/marketplace/public-clouds/. If we could 
get representation from all of those companies in any potential working group, 
then that would clearly be the best outcome, although that may be optimistic ! 
As has become clear at recent Ops events, it may be that not all of those 
companies are represented on these lists, so I'd welcome any input on the best 
way to reach out to those folks.

Matt

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Re: [Openstack-operators] [publicClouds-wg] Public Cloud Working Group

[James Dempsey]

Sign me up.

-James

On 15/11/16 23:43, matt Jarvis wrote:
> So after input from a variety of sources over the last few weeks, I'd
> very much like to try and put together a public cloud working group,
> with the very high level goal of representing the interests of the
> public cloud provider community around the globe. 
> 
> I'd like to propose that, in line with the new process for creation of
> working groups, we set up some initial IRC meetings for all interested
> parties. The goals for these initial meetings would be :
> 
> 1. Define the overall scope and mission statement for the working group
> 2. Set out the constituency for the group - communication methods,
> definitions of public clouds, meeting schedules, chairs etc.
> 3. Identify areas of interest - eg. technical issues, collaboration
> opportunities
> 
> Before I go ahead and schedule first meetings, I'd very much like to
> gather input from the community on interested parties, and if this seems
> like a reasonable first step forward. My thought initially was to
> schedule a first meeting on #openstack-operators and then decide on best
> timings, locations and communication methods from there, but again I'd
> welcome input. 
> 
> At this point it would seem to me that one of the key metrics for this
> working group to be successful is participation as widely as possible
> within the public cloud provider community, currently approximately 21
> companies globally according
> to https://www.openstack.org/marketplace/public-clouds/. If we could get
> representation from all of those companies in any potential working
> group, then that would clearly be the best outcome, although that may be
> optimistic ! As has become clear at recent Ops events, it may be that
> not all of those companies are represented on these lists, so I'd
> welcome any input on the best way to reach out to those folks. 
> 
> Matt
> 
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Re: [Openstack-operators] [publicClouds-wg] Public Cloud Working Group

[Matthew Czajka]

I as well would be pretty interested

-Matt

On 2016-11-15, 7:41 AM, "Tobias Schön" <tobias.sc...@fiberdata.se> wrote:

>This sounds very interesting indeed, i'll join up on that aswell!
>
>//Tobias
>
>-Ursprungligt meddelande-
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>Skickat: den 15 november 2016 16:30
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>Kopia: OpenStack Operators; user-committee
>Ämne: Re: [Openstack-operators] [publicClouds-wg] Public Cloud Working
>Group
>
>This sounds very interesting, put us down! :)
>
>On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 5:43 AM, matt Jarvis <m...@mattjarvis.org.uk>
>wrote:
>> So after input from a variety of sources over the last few weeks, I'd
>> very much like to try and put together a public cloud working group,
>> with the very high level goal of representing the interests of the
>> public cloud provider community around the globe.
>>
>> I'd like to propose that, in line with the new process for creation of
>> working groups, we set up some initial IRC meetings for all interested
>> parties. The goals for these initial meetings would be :
>>
>> 1. Define the overall scope and mission statement for the working
>> group 2. Set out the constituency for the group - communication
>> methods, definitions of public clouds, meeting schedules, chairs etc.
>> 3. Identify areas of interest - eg. technical issues, collaboration
>> opportunities
>>
>> Before I go ahead and schedule first meetings, I'd very much like to
>> gather input from the community on interested parties, and if this
>> seems like a reasonable first step forward. My thought initially was
>> to schedule a first meeting on #openstack-operators and then decide on
>> best timings, locations and communication methods from there, but again
>>I'd welcome input.
>>
>> At this point it would seem to me that one of the key metrics for this
>> working group to be successful is participation as widely as possible
>> within the public cloud provider community, currently approximately 21
>> companies globally according to
>>https://www.openstack.org/marketplace/public-clouds/.
>> If we could get representation from all of those companies in any
>> potential working group, then that would clearly be the best outcome,
>> although that may be optimistic ! As has become clear at recent Ops
>> events, it may be that not all of those companies are represented on
>> these lists, so I'd welcome any input on the best way to reach out to
>>those folks.
>>
>> Matt
>>
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Re: [Openstack-operators] [publicClouds-wg] Public Cloud Working Group

[Tobias Schön]

This sounds very interesting indeed, i'll join up on that aswell!

//Tobias

-Ursprungligt meddelande-
Från: Mohammed Naser [mailto:mna...@vexxhost.com] 
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Ämne: Re: [Openstack-operators] [publicClouds-wg] Public Cloud Working Group

This sounds very interesting, put us down! :)

On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 5:43 AM, matt Jarvis <m...@mattjarvis.org.uk> wrote:
> So after input from a variety of sources over the last few weeks, I'd 
> very much like to try and put together a public cloud working group, 
> with the very high level goal of representing the interests of the 
> public cloud provider community around the globe.
>
> I'd like to propose that, in line with the new process for creation of 
> working groups, we set up some initial IRC meetings for all interested 
> parties. The goals for these initial meetings would be :
>
> 1. Define the overall scope and mission statement for the working 
> group 2. Set out the constituency for the group - communication 
> methods, definitions of public clouds, meeting schedules, chairs etc.
> 3. Identify areas of interest - eg. technical issues, collaboration 
> opportunities
>
> Before I go ahead and schedule first meetings, I'd very much like to 
> gather input from the community on interested parties, and if this 
> seems like a reasonable first step forward. My thought initially was 
> to schedule a first meeting on #openstack-operators and then decide on 
> best timings, locations and communication methods from there, but again I'd 
> welcome input.
>
> At this point it would seem to me that one of the key metrics for this 
> working group to be successful is participation as widely as possible 
> within the public cloud provider community, currently approximately 21 
> companies globally according to 
> https://www.openstack.org/marketplace/public-clouds/.
> If we could get representation from all of those companies in any 
> potential working group, then that would clearly be the best outcome, 
> although that may be optimistic ! As has become clear at recent Ops 
> events, it may be that not all of those companies are represented on 
> these lists, so I'd welcome any input on the best way to reach out to those 
> folks.
>
> Matt
>
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Re: [Openstack-operators] [publicClouds-wg] Public Cloud Working Group

[Mohammed Naser]

This sounds very interesting, put us down! :)

On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 5:43 AM, matt Jarvis  wrote:
> So after input from a variety of sources over the last few weeks, I'd very
> much like to try and put together a public cloud working group, with the
> very high level goal of representing the interests of the public cloud
> provider community around the globe.
>
> I'd like to propose that, in line with the new process for creation of
> working groups, we set up some initial IRC meetings for all interested
> parties. The goals for these initial meetings would be :
>
> 1. Define the overall scope and mission statement for the working group
> 2. Set out the constituency for the group - communication methods,
> definitions of public clouds, meeting schedules, chairs etc.
> 3. Identify areas of interest - eg. technical issues, collaboration
> opportunities
>
> Before I go ahead and schedule first meetings, I'd very much like to gather
> input from the community on interested parties, and if this seems like a
> reasonable first step forward. My thought initially was to schedule a first
> meeting on #openstack-operators and then decide on best timings, locations
> and communication methods from there, but again I'd welcome input.
>
> At this point it would seem to me that one of the key metrics for this
> working group to be successful is participation as widely as possible within
> the public cloud provider community, currently approximately 21 companies
> globally according to https://www.openstack.org/marketplace/public-clouds/.
> If we could get representation from all of those companies in any potential
> working group, then that would clearly be the best outcome, although that
> may be optimistic ! As has become clear at recent Ops events, it may be that
> not all of those companies are represented on these lists, so I'd welcome
> any input on the best way to reach out to those folks.
>
> Matt
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[Openstack-operators] [publicClouds-wg] Public Cloud Working Group

[matt Jarvis]

So after input from a variety of sources over the last few weeks, I'd very
much like to try and put together a public cloud working group, with the
very high level goal of representing the interests of the public cloud
provider community around the globe.

I'd like to propose that, in line with the new process for creation of
working groups, we set up some initial IRC meetings for all interested
parties. The goals for these initial meetings would be :

1. Define the overall scope and mission statement for the working group
2. Set out the constituency for the group - communication methods,
definitions of public clouds, meeting schedules, chairs etc.
3. Identify areas of interest - eg. technical issues, collaboration
opportunities

Before I go ahead and schedule first meetings, I'd very much like to gather
input from the community on interested parties, and if this seems like a
reasonable first step forward. My thought initially was to schedule a first
meeting on #openstack-operators and then decide on best timings, locations
and communication methods from there, but again I'd welcome input.

At this point it would seem to me that one of the key metrics for this
working group to be successful is participation as widely as possible
within the public cloud provider community, currently approximately 21
companies globally according to
https://www.openstack.org/marketplace/public-clouds/. If we could get
representation from all of those companies in any potential working group,
then that would clearly be the best outcome, although that may be
optimistic ! As has become clear at recent Ops events, it may be that not
all of those companies are represented on these lists, so I'd welcome any
input on the best way to reach out to those folks.

Matt
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