Re: [OpenWrt-Devel] [legal] Compatibility of GPL with Apache

2009-07-21 Thread paolo del bene
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 2009/7/15 Karthik Venkateswaran karthik.venkateswa...@lntinfotech.com

 Hi all,
 I have a question with regards to compatibility of Apache license with
 GPLv2.

 Just for a background this question is for integrating two packages LUCI
 (Based on Apache license) and Openwrt (Based on GPLv2).

 Would like to know the following:

 1. LUCI is already ported as a package on Openwrt, will it automatically
 be part of GPLv2. Considering that the package is built separately
 independent of Openwrt.
 2. Might be wrong to ask this in GPL forum, nevertheless if LUCI (which is
 under a permissive license) is modified. Then ported on a proprietary
 framework including an attribution to Apache license. Is this ok?
 3. Finally, if I modify the Apache licensed LUCI and port it on GPLv2
 framework. Would the proprietary code be entitled under GPLv2?

 Please excuse my open ended questions as I am a newbie and am no Legal
 expert.

 Regards,
 Karthik Venkateswaran
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Re: [OpenWrt-Devel] [legal] Compatibility of GPL with Apache

2009-07-21 Thread paolo del bene
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 2009/7/15 Hubert Figuiere h...@figuiere.net

 On 07/15/2009 02:35 AM, Karthik Venkateswaran wrote:
  Please excuse my open ended questions as I am a newbie and am no Legal
  expert.

 You are seeking legal advice, so you should be seeking legal advice from
 your lawyer.


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Re: [OpenWrt-Devel] [legal] Compatibility of GPL with Apache

2009-07-21 Thread paolo del bene
i am subscribed at the mailing list of gpl-violations.org and in my own
e-mail ninux...@gmail.com i received the mail that you can read:


 2009/7/16 Peter Roozemaal math...@xs4all.nl

 Karthik Venkateswaran wrote:
  I have a question with regards to compatibility of Apache license
  with GPLv2.
 
  Just for a background this question is for integrating two packages
  LUCI (Based on Apache license) and Openwrt (Based on GPLv2).

 A good starting point would be to look at what the FSF says about
 license compatibility: http://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html

  Would like to know the following:
 
  1. LUCI is already ported as a package on Openwrt, will it
  automatically be part of GPLv2. Considering that the package is built
  separately independent of Openwrt.
 Nope, I guess LUCI is distributed as independent work, so it will
 still be under the Apache license.

  2. Might be wrong to ask this in GPL forum, nevertheless if LUCI
  (which is under a permissive license) is modified. Then ported on a
  proprietary framework including an attribution to Apache license. Is
  this ok?
 AFAIK you can do that with Apache code.

  3. Finally, if I modify the Apache licensed LUCI and port it on GPLv2
   framework. Would the proprietary code be entitled under GPLv2?
 The answers depend too much on the details of how the code is actually
 used in the framework. There are people around that can give you
 commercial advice (under NDA if you want that).


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  LT Infotech Proprietary   LT Infotech Confidential   LT Infotech
  Internal Use Only   LT Infotech General Business
 
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Re: [OpenWrt-Devel] [legal] Compatibility of GPL with Apache

2009-07-21 Thread paolo del bene
i am subscribed at the mailing list of gpl-violations.org and in my own
e-mail ninux...@gmail.com i received the mail that you can read:


 2009/7/16 Peter Roozemaal math...@xs4all.nl

 Karthik Venkateswaran wrote:
  I have a question with regards to compatibility of Apache license
  with GPLv2.
 
  Just for a background this question is for integrating two packages
  LUCI (Based on Apache license) and Openwrt (Based on GPLv2).

 A good starting point would be to look at what the FSF says about
 license compatibility: http://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html

  Would like to know the following:
 
  1. LUCI is already ported as a package on Openwrt, will it
  automatically be part of GPLv2. Considering that the package is built
  separately independent of Openwrt.
 Nope, I guess LUCI is distributed as independent work, so it will
 still be under the Apache license.

  2. Might be wrong to ask this in GPL forum, nevertheless if LUCI
  (which is under a permissive license) is modified. Then ported on a
  proprietary framework including an attribution to Apache license. Is
  this ok?
 AFAIK you can do that with Apache code.

  3. Finally, if I modify the Apache licensed LUCI and port it on GPLv2
   framework. Would the proprietary code be entitled under GPLv2?
 The answers depend too much on the details of how the code is actually
 used in the framework. There are people around that can give you
 commercial advice (under NDA if you want that).


  This Document is classified as:
 
  LT Infotech Proprietary   LT Infotech Confidential   LT Infotech
  Internal Use Only   LT Infotech General Business
 
  This Email may contain confidential or privileged information for the
   intended recipient (s) If you are not the intended recipient, please
  do not use or disseminate the information, notify the sender and
  delete it from your system.

 Please don't send stupid disclaimers to public mailing lists.

 Peter.



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Re: [OpenWrt-Devel] [legal] Compatibility of GPL with Apache

2009-07-21 Thread Malte S. Stretz
On Tuesday 21 July 2009 10:58:28 paolo del bene wrote:
 [quoted mail]

Well, somebody should pay a lawyer to find out about GPL/ASL compatibility :)  
Short:  OpenWrt is a distribution, the build environment is GPLv2 (unless 
otherwise stated), LuCI is a third party project like dnsmasq or the Linux 
kernel.  At least the brcm-2.4 images use even at least one proprietary 
binary.  No difference to any other Linux (or BSD or ...) distribution.

Nevertheless I added a paragraph to [1] which might clear this up a bit.

BTW, there is one gray area in OpenWrt:  Any patches in the source tree should 
be delivered under the license the patched application is under.  Maybe this 
needs some clarification somehow.

Cheers,
Malte

[1]http://nuwiki.openwrt.org/doc/license


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