Re: [OpenWrt-Devel] GitHub and -devel; differentiating between voting committers and random community comments

2018-09-14 Thread Daniel F. Dickinson

On 2018-09-14 11:18 a.m., Karl Palsson wrote:

"Daniel F. Dickinson"  wrote:

Hi,

This isn't my first preference, but I think this is becoming a
bit of a problem, especially for people not all that familiar
with who's who in OpenWrt.

I've noticed that community (vs. voting committers) often jump
in with (presumably well-meant) advice that might not actually
match what voting committers want (e.g. on a patch or for
policy), and for those not familiar with emails and names of
the voting OpenWrt team this can lead to changing patches or
PR's in ways that are counter-productive to actually getting
merged.

I'm not a voting member myself, so this isn't necessarily going
to help me get heard, but I'd also hate for someone take me as
canonical advice in contrast to a voting committer. I know some
community members can be quite helpful, but others tend to
sounding authoritative while not being an 'official' openwrt
team member, which leads to mis-perception (in my view) about
what the project would like to see.

The comments in github show this for you already:


I mostly read the github notifications on email, which doesn't include 
the info.  Guess that's something I'll have to submit to GitHub to see 
about getting changed.





if it shows "Contributor" it's just "someone" THey might be a
regular contributor, but they're not a committer. if it shows
"Member" they have commit rights.

What people choose to do with that information is up to them
though really.


Of course, but I think that, especially newbies, tend to think that 
anyone who speaks with an "authoritative voice" is actually representing 
the project and not their own opinion.   As much as I want my voice and 
opinion heard and taken into consideration, I wouldn't intentionally 
represent myself as the voice of the project, and find it frustrating 
when others, sometimes names I've never seen before on the list, write 
(intentionally or not) as if it were up to them, and actually seen folks 
frustrated by altering commits to fit such an answer, while, once a 
voting committers weighs in, is actually disadvantageous to getting merged.


Regards,

Daniel


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Re: [OpenWrt-Devel] GitHub and -devel; differentiating between voting committers and random community comments

2018-09-14 Thread Karl Palsson

"Daniel F. Dickinson"  wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> This isn't my first preference, but I think this is becoming a
> bit of a problem, especially for people not all that familiar
> with who's who in OpenWrt.
> 
> I've noticed that community (vs. voting committers) often jump
> in with (presumably well-meant) advice that might not actually
> match what voting committers want (e.g. on a patch or for
> policy), and for those not familiar with emails and names of
> the voting OpenWrt team this can lead to changing patches or
> PR's in ways that are counter-productive to actually getting
> merged.
> 
> I'm not a voting member myself, so this isn't necessarily going
> to help me get heard, but I'd also hate for someone take me as
> canonical advice in contrast to a voting committer. I know some
> community members can be quite helpful, but others tend to
> sounding authoritative while not being an 'official' openwrt
> team member, which leads to mis-perception (in my view) about
> what the project would like to see.

The comments in github show this for you already:

if it shows "Contributor" it's just "someone" THey might be a
regular contributor, but they're not a committer. if it shows
"Member" they have commit rights.

What people choose to do with that information is up to them
though really.

Cheers,
Karl P

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[OpenWrt-Devel] GitHub and -devel; differentiating between voting committers and random community comments

2018-09-14 Thread Daniel F. Dickinson

Hi,

This isn't my first preference, but I think this is becoming a bit of a 
problem, especially for people not all that familiar with who's who in 
OpenWrt.


I've noticed that community (vs. voting committers) often jump in with 
(presumably well-meant) advice that might not actually match what voting 
committers want (e.g. on a patch or for policy), and for those not 
familiar with emails and names of the voting OpenWrt team this can lead 
to changing patches or PR's in ways that are counter-productive to 
actually getting merged.


I'm not a voting member myself, so this isn't necessarily going to help 
me get heard, but I'd also hate for someone take me as canonical advice 
in contrast to a voting committer.  I know some community members can be 
quite helpful, but others tend to sounding authoritative while not being 
an 'official' openwrt team member, which leads to mis-perception (in my 
view) about what the project would like to see.


Regards,

Daniel


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