Re: [OpenWrt-Devel] Looking for Openwrt programmers to customize Open-Mesh router code
Hi, Brian Epstein br...@deepbluecommunications.com writes: Assuming Gold’s Gym is now the official Gym sponsor for all Wyndham hotels. Now for example when anyone searches for the word “Gym” or “step class” on Google.com at any Super8 from behind our equipment, the search is modified prior to being sent to Google.com such that the search now says “step class golds gym”. Am I reading that right that when somebody wants to send a search query to Google you hijack it and modify however you want? Seriously? -- Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software! mailto:fercer...@gmail.com ___ openwrt-devel mailing list openwrt-devel@lists.openwrt.org https://lists.openwrt.org/mailman/listinfo/openwrt-devel
Re: [OpenWrt-Devel] Looking for Openwrt programmers to customize Open-Mesh router code
Paul Fertser fercer...@gmail.com wrote: Brian Epstein br...@deepbluecommunications.com writes: Assuming Gold’s Gym is now the official Gym sponsor for all Wyndham hotels. Now for example when anyone searches for the word “Gym” or “step class” on Google.com at any Super8 from behind our equipment, the search is modified prior to being sent to Google.com such that the search now says “step class golds gym”. Am I reading that right that when somebody wants to send a search query to Google you hijack it and modify however you want? Seriously? That's how I read it. If that happened to me on a free hotel internet connection (which I am paying for with my room charge), I would NOT stay at that hotel again (I would leave after that night if possible) and (at minimum) the following people would be informed why I left: The hotel manager, corporate headquarters (if the hotel was part of a chain), my friends who keep up with me on various social media sites, Google Maps and any other place that I could find online that did reviews on that hotel, anyone who asked me about my trip. If I am on a public network, most anything important is running back home over a OpenVPN or connecting via HTTPS, but messing with guests searches will only lose you goodwill... Aaron Z ___ openwrt-devel mailing list openwrt-devel@lists.openwrt.org https://lists.openwrt.org/mailman/listinfo/openwrt-devel
Re: [OpenWrt-Devel] Looking for Openwrt programmers to customize Open-Mesh router code
That's how I read it too. You are assuming you would catch it, and know what is causing it... Might be subtle enough that it just looks like an google ranked ad. (I would probably not notice, as I tend to always vpn back to home servers and vpn back for even general internet traffic despite the extra delay...) Not to mention, google tends to switch most searching to https if you ever used any sort of google account on the computer before. Of course ssl can be disabled for google searches, as many schools started blocking google because of incompatibility with content filters... and child protection laws trump privacy issues, so google had to put in a disable option or be completely blocked... Still, google displays a pretty clear note when that happens. Personally, I wouldn't mind my searches being slightly modified if it meant free internet instead of the $5+/night they might otherwise charge per room. If there was a room charge for internet, they best not be messing with it in such a way... - Original Message - From: Aaron Z aar...@pls-net.org To: OpenWrt Development List openwrt-devel@lists.openwrt.org Sent: Monday, December 3, 2012 11:56:46 AM Subject: Re: [OpenWrt-Devel] Looking for Openwrt programmers to customize Open-Mesh router code Paul Fertser fercer...@gmail.com wrote: Brian Epstein br...@deepbluecommunications.com writes: Assuming Gold’s Gym is now the official Gym sponsor for all Wyndham hotels. Now for example when anyone searches for the word “Gym” or “step class” on Google.com at any Super8 from behind our equipment, the search is modified prior to being sent to Google.com such that the search now says “step class golds gym”. Am I reading that right that when somebody wants to send a search query to Google you hijack it and modify however you want? Seriously? That's how I read it. If that happened to me on a free hotel internet connection (which I am paying for with my room charge), I would NOT stay at that hotel again (I would leave after that night if possible) and (at minimum) the following people would be informed why I left: The hotel manager, corporate headquarters (if the hotel was part of a chain), my friends who keep up with me on various social media sites, Google Maps and any other place that I could find online that did reviews on that hotel, anyone who asked me about my trip. If I am on a public network, most anything important is running back home over a OpenVPN or connecting via HTTPS, but messing with guests searches will only lose you goodwill... Aaron Z ___ openwrt-devel mailing list openwrt-devel@lists.openwrt.org https://lists.openwrt.org/mailman/listinfo/openwrt-devel ___ openwrt-devel mailing list openwrt-devel@lists.openwrt.org https://lists.openwrt.org/mailman/listinfo/openwrt-devel
Re: [OpenWrt-Devel] Looking for Openwrt programmers to customize Open-Mesh router code
You hit the nail on the head. Occasional modification of searches in exchange for free Internet at hotels. -Original Message- From: openwrt-devel [mailto:openwrt-devel-boun...@lists.openwrt.org] On Behalf Of John Lauro Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 4:41 PM To: OpenWrt Development List Subject: Re: [OpenWrt-Devel] Looking for Openwrt programmers to customize Open-Mesh router code That's how I read it too. You are assuming you would catch it, and know what is causing it... Might be subtle enough that it just looks like an google ranked ad. (I would probably not notice, as I tend to always vpn back to home servers and vpn back for even general internet traffic despite the extra delay...) Not to mention, google tends to switch most searching to https if you ever used any sort of google account on the computer before. Of course ssl can be disabled for google searches, as many schools started blocking google because of incompatibility with content filters... and child protection laws trump privacy issues, so google had to put in a disable option or be completely blocked... Still, google displays a pretty clear note when that happens. Personally, I wouldn't mind my searches being slightly modified if it meant free internet instead of the $5+/night they might otherwise charge per room. If there was a room charge for internet, they best not be messing with it in such a way... - Original Message - From: Aaron Z aar...@pls-net.org To: OpenWrt Development List openwrt-devel@lists.openwrt.org Sent: Monday, December 3, 2012 11:56:46 AM Subject: Re: [OpenWrt-Devel] Looking for Openwrt programmers to customize Open-Mesh router code Paul Fertser fercer...@gmail.com wrote: Brian Epstein br...@deepbluecommunications.com writes: Assuming Gold’s Gym is now the official Gym sponsor for all Wyndham hotels. Now for example when anyone searches for the word “Gym” or “step class” on Google.com at any Super8 from behind our equipment, the search is modified prior to being sent to Google.com such that the search now says “step class golds gym”. Am I reading that right that when somebody wants to send a search query to Google you hijack it and modify however you want? Seriously? That's how I read it. If that happened to me on a free hotel internet connection (which I am paying for with my room charge), I would NOT stay at that hotel again (I would leave after that night if possible) and (at minimum) the following people would be informed why I left: The hotel manager, corporate headquarters (if the hotel was part of a chain), my friends who keep up with me on various social media sites, Google Maps and any other place that I could find online that did reviews on that hotel, anyone who asked me about my trip. If I am on a public network, most anything important is running back home over a OpenVPN or connecting via HTTPS, but messing with guests searches will only lose you goodwill... Aaron Z ___ openwrt-devel mailing list openwrt-devel@lists.openwrt.org https://lists.openwrt.org/mailman/listinfo/openwrt-devel ___ openwrt-devel mailing list openwrt-devel@lists.openwrt.org https://lists.openwrt.org/mailman/listinfo/openwrt-devel ___ openwrt-devel mailing list openwrt-devel@lists.openwrt.org https://lists.openwrt.org/mailman/listinfo/openwrt-devel
Re: [OpenWrt-Devel] Looking for Openwrt programmers to customize Open-Mesh router code
Although the general idea is certainly valid, and even though Open-Mesh.com is on-board, I would recommend doing to some research about whether Google itself might find issue with 3rd parties intercepting and modifying users' search queries sent to google.com. Especially since this has now been posted to an email list with public archives. Google is likely rather protective of the ad revenue streams they derive from analyzing users' search queries, so have those queries modified en-route might not sit well with them. -- Ben West http://gowasabi.net b...@gowasabi.net 314-246-9434 ___ openwrt-devel mailing list openwrt-devel@lists.openwrt.org https://lists.openwrt.org/mailman/listinfo/openwrt-devel
Re: [OpenWrt-Devel] Looking for Openwrt programmers to customize Open-Mesh router code
I believe the key is to give the visitor/user notice... so they know their searches are being weighted toward a location/retailer and can decide if that is something worth the free access. I don't think it is any more 'man in the middle' as Google itself or in violation of any terms of service provided that it's the users decision to use Google (or any other search engine). On Mon, 2012-12-03 at 16:40 -0500, John Lauro wrote: That's how I read it too. You are assuming you would catch it, and know what is causing it... Might be subtle enough that it just looks like an google ranked ad. (I would probably not notice, as I tend to always vpn back to home servers and vpn back for even general internet traffic despite the extra delay...) Not to mention, google tends to switch most searching to https if you ever used any sort of google account on the computer before. Of course ssl can be disabled for google searches, as many schools started blocking google because of incompatibility with content filters... and child protection laws trump privacy issues, so google had to put in a disable option or be completely blocked... Still, google displays a pretty clear note when that happens. Personally, I wouldn't mind my searches being slightly modified if it meant free internet instead of the $5+/night they might otherwise charge per room. If there was a room charge for internet, they best not be messing with it in such a way... - Original Message - From: Aaron Z aar...@pls-net.org To: OpenWrt Development List openwrt-devel@lists.openwrt.org Sent: Monday, December 3, 2012 11:56:46 AM Subject: Re: [OpenWrt-Devel] Looking for Openwrt programmers to customize Open-Mesh router code Paul Fertser fercer...@gmail.com wrote: Brian Epstein br...@deepbluecommunications.com writes: Assuming Gold’s Gym is now the official Gym sponsor for all Wyndham hotels. Now for example when anyone searches for the word “Gym” or “step class” on Google.com at any Super8 from behind our equipment, the search is modified prior to being sent to Google.com such that the search now says “step class golds gym”. Am I reading that right that when somebody wants to send a search query to Google you hijack it and modify however you want? Seriously? That's how I read it. If that happened to me on a free hotel internet connection (which I am paying for with my room charge), I would NOT stay at that hotel again (I would leave after that night if possible) and (at minimum) the following people would be informed why I left: The hotel manager, corporate headquarters (if the hotel was part of a chain), my friends who keep up with me on various social media sites, Google Maps and any other place that I could find online that did reviews on that hotel, anyone who asked me about my trip. If I am on a public network, most anything important is running back home over a OpenVPN or connecting via HTTPS, but messing with guests searches will only lose you goodwill... Aaron Z ___ openwrt-devel mailing list openwrt-devel@lists.openwrt.org https://lists.openwrt.org/mailman/listinfo/openwrt-devel ___ openwrt-devel mailing list openwrt-devel@lists.openwrt.org https://lists.openwrt.org/mailman/listinfo/openwrt-devel ___ openwrt-devel mailing list openwrt-devel@lists.openwrt.org https://lists.openwrt.org/mailman/listinfo/openwrt-devel
