Re: Help ! ORA-00600 : internal error code

2001-07-26 Thread Saurabh Sharma

this is an error code that must be reported to Oracle support along with
full description of error, procedure performed that caused this error and
also details about your database environment settings.

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 Help !

 What does this mean?

 ORA-00600: internal error cod, arguments : [733], [33719116], [pga heap],
 [], [], [], [], []


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Re: Solaris.. help.!!

2001-07-26 Thread Peter McLarty

Start at Oracle Technet there is documents on installing and administering 
on Solaris.

After that maybe ask specific questions on this list about something you 
don't understand and provide error messages if you have any from installing 
or using it.

It isn't all that hard if you just want to get it up and running. The 
document is pretty straight forward and mostly self explanatory. If you 
need to do more like set up correct tablespaces and specific rollback 
segments to say run Oracle Financials, then perhaps you should look at 
spending some money on a experienced DBa to consult and or assist.

HTH

Peter



At 04:25 PM 26/07/2001, you wrote:
Hi all,

please help me in finding the right doc about starting from scratch on 
Solaris.
I'm looking for Solaris for Oracle. can anyone suggest me some good 
starting documentation or links on this.
like introduction, architectue, installtion and configuration etc..

thanks.

Saurabh Sharma

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two_task parameter

2001-07-26 Thread Arslan Bahar
Title: RE: OT, "It's all about Alex"



 what is the function of two_task 
parameter. i have searched metalink and documantion cd but i could nor 
find any note or document.
 please could you give information 
?


RE: Help ! ORA-00600 : internal error code

2001-07-26 Thread Rajesh Dayal

Earlier it used to mean Goto Oracle Support
But now you have a choice.

http://www.unal-bilisim.com/products/iorabugfinder/iorabugfinder.html

And it works . most of the cases...

HTH,
Rajesh

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Help !

What does this mean?

ORA-00600: internal error cod, arguments : [733], [33719116], [pga
heap],
[], [], [], [], []


John

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Re: Oracle 9i on AIX with RAC

2001-07-26 Thread nlzanen1


Apparantly it is finished and out soon.


   
   
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Hi,

Anyone has any updates on 9i with RAC on AIX platform availability? Any
dates? Dates without RAC ??

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RE: two_task parameter

2001-07-26 Thread Thomas, Kevin

Arslan,
 
Two_task basically enables you to set up an identifier for a remote database
that you may want to connect to.
 
Usually you define the local database by setting the values of ORACLE_HOME
and ORACLE_SID, setting TWO_TASK = tnsconnect string allows you to
identify the remote database. When connecting instead of typing the command
below to connect to a local database
 
$ sqlplus user/pass
 
you can issue the setenv command to make the remote database your local
one if you follow that.
 
$ setenv TWO_TASK remote_db
$ sqlplus newuser/newpass
 
because you have set the TWO_TASK variable, it overrides the ORACLE_HOME and
ORACLE_SID settings and when you login with newuser/newpass, the remote
database is used as the local one.
 
Hope this helps,
Regards
Kev Thomas
Calanais Ltd.

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what is the function of two_task parameter. i have searched metalink and
documantion cd  but i could nor find  any note or document.
   please could you give information ?

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Securing passwords in scripts

2001-07-26 Thread O'Neill, Sean

I have some scripts, O.S. command and SQL, which I use to perform COLD
backups of DBs and other tasks.  I'm not particularily happy about having
username/password information in the scripts.  Has anyone come up with a way
to avoid same allowing for the fact the scripts should require no user input
to execute.


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ORA-00600 error

2001-07-26 Thread Vijay Patidar

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RE: Sun cluster vs Veritas cluster - Any Docs / Links ?

2001-07-26 Thread VIVEK_SHARMA

Steve 

Are there any Docs / Links Comparing the Same ?

Thanks though for your Experienced Valuable input .

Vivek

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 Subject:  RE: Sun cluster vs Veritas cluster
 
 I have used both and somewhat prefer VCS.  In both systems, we've had
 problems where the cluster was in an unknown state and any action to
 change the state was risky to all the services in the cluster.  This
 is rare for both products.
  
 Our Sun support required for us to pay them to certify our stuff
 before they'd support the implementation.  Don't know if you're
 subject to this too, but VCS has no such rule.  The tests were
 interesting, but we could conduct the tests without their involvement.
  
 Command-line jocks may at first prefer Sun, but I think Veritas is a
 better bet since it's not as tied to the hardware vendor, and is more
 likely to be common across Unixes, if you're in a site where you've
 got more than one Unix vendor's stuff to support, like I am.  
  
 We are in the process of migrating from Sun cluster to VCS, fyi.
  
 my 2¢
 Steve
 
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   Just wondering if anyone on the list who had experience on both
 Sun clustering and Veritas clustering software share their experience
 on both products, strength and weakness or any comparison??

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Re: Securing passwords in scripts

2001-07-26 Thread Rachel Carmichael


Sean,

Not sure how you'd do this on NT, since I don't know how the identified 
externally accounts work on NT.

On Unix you can create a user in the database with the same name as one of 
the Unix accounts. Default is ops$username, you can change or remove the 
ops$ requirement via one of the init.ora commands -- (remote_something or 
other, I'm at home right now and no access to look it up)

grant the privileges necessary to this account, then when you need to log 
into the database you can use / to enter username/password:

ex.sqlplus /

and run what you need from cron from this Unix account.

Rachel

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Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 00:55:28 -0800

I have some scripts, O.S. command and SQL, which I use to perform COLD
backups of DBs and other tasks.  I'm not particularily happy about having
username/password information in the scripts.  Has anyone come up with a 
way
to avoid same allowing for the fact the scripts should require no user 
input
to execute.


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Re: Help ! ORA-00600 : internal error code

2001-07-26 Thread Christian Trassens

I enclose a metalink document that I have because of
that error. Obsviously it is related with the PGA.
However I add sth in contradiction with the note, I've
seen a similar problem on 8.1.7. That I've resolved
setting the event 10262.


Doc ID:  Note:131490.1 
big for this port (o/s) 
Type:  REFERENCE 
Status:  REVIEWED 
 Content Type:  TEXT/PLAIN 
Creation Date:  04-JAN-2001 
Last Revision Date:  25-MAY-2001 
 

Note: For additional ORA-600 related information
please read [NOTE:146580.1]

PURPOSE:
  This article discusses the internal error ORA-600
[733], what 
  it means and possible actions. The information here
is only applicable 
  to the versions listed and is provided only for
guidance.
 
ERROR:  
  ORA-600 [733][a][b][c][d][e]
 
VERSIONS:   
  versions 7.3.X to 8.1.X
 
DESCRIPTION:

  When allocating an extent in the PGA, if the minimum
size requested is greater 
  than what is allowed for this port, ORA-00600 [733]
is logged. 

  Program Global Area (PGA) heap/memory allocation
error.

  No data corruption occurs.
 
ARGUMENTS:  
  [733][min_size][comment] 
   
  [min_size] 
  The minimum extent size requested, in bytes. 
   
  [comment] 
  A comment supplied by the caller.
 
FUNCTIONALITY:  
  MEMORY IMPLEMENATION
 
IMPACT: 
  PROCESS FAILURE
  NON CORRUPTIVE - No corruption to underlying data.
 
SUGGESTIONS:
  Known issues: 
  Bug 553250 when trying to bind  32K in a PL/SQL
table, fixed in 8.1.7 release.
  If receiving this during a query with complex JOIN,
for example, consider lowering
  sort_area_size or hash_area_size if
hash_join_enabled = true and rerun the 
  query again so the PGA memory requirements aren't as
large.


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how do i explain this ?

2001-07-26 Thread Rahul

list, 
this application heavyly make use of literals , NO BIND VARIABLES
and was running without any lib cache latch or shared pool latch problems on
7.3.2

We ported the DB to 8.1.5 and v$session_wait is full of latch free event
!!
all the latch waits are on lib cache and shapred pool (as expected from any
app NOT using bind vars) 
and the app is running terribly  slow !!

my question is... how 7.3.2 was able to handle this ?? how i explain this to
my management ?
i was able to convince then on porting to 8i to get better perfornace !! 

note: i cannot change the app. all changes must be from the back end.

TIA

Rahul

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Re: Licensing

2001-07-26 Thread nlzanen1


Jack

Concurrent user license is not dependent on amount of instances, however
Oracle probably maintains mimimum numbers per server.

Jack


   
  
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RE: Some other Oracle list

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Check the listserv at www.lazydba.com

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nope.  trust me, been there, done that.

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RE: Help ! ORA-00600 : internal error code

2001-07-26 Thread Unal Bilisim

Thank you Rajesh,

Some of Oracle bugs are internal, you may not see all bugs. So, I've added 
email feature to iOraBugFinder. Now, you can send the results and uploaded file 
to Oracle support if iOraBugFinder doesn't return your bugs. Since trace files 
are analyzed, response time from Oracle support is reduced.

Recommendations:
- Don't upload alert file when bug depth = 0
- Upload trace file instead of alert
- Use higher level bug to get close to your bug. If it doesn't return bug, 
select lower levels.

regards..

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Earlier it used to mean Goto Oracle Support
But now you have a choice.

http://www.unal-bilisim.com/products/iorabugfinder/iorabugfinder.html

And it works . most of the cases...

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Help !

What does this mean?

ORA-00600: internal error cod, arguments : [733], [33719116], [pga
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RE: Securing passwords in scripts

2001-07-26 Thread Rajesh Dayal

I hv a workaround 
Change platform to Unix and set permission as 700 ;-))

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I have some scripts, O.S. command and SQL, which I use to perform COLD
backups of DBs and other tasks.  I'm not particularily happy about
having
username/password information in the scripts.  Has anyone come up with a
way
to avoid same allowing for the fact the scripts should require no user
input
to execute.


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Re: Securing passwords in scripts

2001-07-26 Thread Stephane Faroult

O'Neill, Sean wrote:
 
 I have some scripts, O.S. command and SQL, which I use to perform COLD
 backups of DBs and other tasks.  I'm not particularily happy about having
 username/password information in the scripts.  Has anyone come up with a way
 to avoid same allowing for the fact the scripts should require no user input
 to execute.
 
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Re: how do i explain this ?

2001-07-26 Thread nlzanen1


Hi,


If there are the same querries with different literals, try cursor_sharing
= force

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this application heavyly make use of literals , NO BIND VARIABLES
and was running without any lib cache latch or shared pool latch problems
on
7.3.2

We ported the DB to 8.1.5 and v$session_wait is full of latch free event
!!
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and the app is running terribly  slow !!

my question is... how 7.3.2 was able to handle this ?? how i explain this
to
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i was able to convince then on porting to 8i to get better perfornace !!

note: i cannot change the app. all changes must be from the back end.

TIA

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Re: Securing passwords in scripts

2001-07-26 Thread Jon Walthour

If you're going to be doing DBA tasks like you describe (backups which
require you to shutdown the database, etc.), you can just use / as sysdba
in sqlplus. This works all the way back to 7.3 as far as I know. For it to
work, however, the OS account that is being used must be a member of the DBA
group (Unix) or the ORA_DBA group (NT). In a UNIX script, I use it like
this:

sqlplus  EOF
/ as sysdba
shutdown immediate
exit
EOF

In NT, it would be a matter of putting all the commands in a .sql script and
executing the script like this:

sqlplus / as sysdba @myscript.sql

Hope this helps.

Jon Walthour

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 backups of DBs and other tasks.  I'm not particularily happy about having
 username/password information in the scripts.  Has anyone come up with a
way
 to avoid same allowing for the fact the scripts should require no user
input
 to execute.


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RE: how do i explain this ?

2001-07-26 Thread Rajesh Dayal

You can use 

CURSOR_SHARING = FORCE
 
but be careful, it's initial implementation were
quite buggy and it starts with 8.1.6 (don't 
remember exactly).

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list, 
this application heavyly make use of literals , NO BIND VARIABLES
and was running without any lib cache latch or shared pool latch
problems on
7.3.2

We ported the DB to 8.1.5 and v$session_wait is full of latch free
event
!!
all the latch waits are on lib cache and shapred pool (as expected from
any
app NOT using bind vars) 
and the app is running terribly  slow !!

my question is... how 7.3.2 was able to handle this ?? how i explain
this to
my management ?
i was able to convince then on porting to 8i to get better perfornace !!


note: i cannot change the app. all changes must be from the back end.

TIA

Rahul

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Re: how do i explain this ?

2001-07-26 Thread Jon Walthour

Is it possible that under 7.3.2 the optimizer was rule-based (I don't know
when CBO was introduced) and that under 8.1.5 it is set to CHOOSE or
FIRST_ROWS or ALL_ROWS?

Also, is there anyway you could move to 8.1.6 and take advantage of the
CURSOR_SHARING parameter?

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 list,
 this application heavyly make use of literals , NO BIND VARIABLES
 and was running without any lib cache latch or shared pool latch problems
on
 7.3.2

 We ported the DB to 8.1.5 and v$session_wait is full of latch free event
 !!
 all the latch waits are on lib cache and shapred pool (as expected from
any
 app NOT using bind vars)
 and the app is running terribly  slow !!

 my question is... how 7.3.2 was able to handle this ?? how i explain this
to
 my management ?
 i was able to convince then on porting to 8i to get better perfornace !!

 note: i cannot change the app. all changes must be from the back end.

 TIA

 Rahul

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Data Load Options - summary - final feedback

2001-07-26 Thread O'Neill, Sean

Thanx to all who responded on my query about Data Load options.  I've tried
to summarise below.  To try and put a lid on it I'd appreciate feedback on
gaps, any corrections and obs on data volume metrics.

Low volume = 10Mb
Medium volume = 10Mb 100Mb
High Volume = 100Mb

Option  Volume  DataData Source
Ease of use (includes learning curve) 
--- --  --
-
SQL Script  Low Simple  External
Simple
SQL Loader  Medium, HighSimple  External
???
Import  Medium  Complex Oracle
Moderate
UTL_FILE??? Complex ???
???
DB Link ??? ??? Oracle
???
ODBC from MS Access Medium  ??? External
???
Pro*C   ??? ??? ???
Difficult


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RE: how do i explain this ?

2001-07-26 Thread Rahul

this is 8.1.5, cursor_sharing starts with 8.1.6+ (i guess) 

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 and was running without any lib cache latch or shared pool latch problems
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 7.3.2
 
 We ported the DB to 8.1.5 and v$session_wait is full of latch free event
 !!
 all the latch waits are on lib cache and shapred pool (as expected from
 any
 app NOT using bind vars)
 and the app is running terribly  slow !!
 
 my question is... how 7.3.2 was able to handle this ?? how i explain this
 to
 my management ?
 i was able to convince then on porting to 8i to get better perfornace !!
 
 note: i cannot change the app. all changes must be from the back end.
 
 TIA
 
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RE: Some other Oracle list

2001-07-26 Thread O'Neill, Sean

Hi ???,

As has been pointed out this list is probably as good as it gets.  However,
if you have the time to keep up with more than one list then the following
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RE: how do i explain this ?

2001-07-26 Thread Rahul

John/ list,
optimizer is set to CHOOSE in both the versions,
even if the optimizer is choosing a different path , it's still 
parsing each statement in 7.3.2 !! (that should show in latch contention) 

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 Is it possible that under 7.3.2 the optimizer was rule-based (I don't know
 when CBO was introduced) and that under 8.1.5 it is set to CHOOSE or
 FIRST_ROWS or ALL_ROWS?
 
 Also, is there anyway you could move to 8.1.6 and take advantage of the
 CURSOR_SHARING parameter?
 
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  list,
  this application heavyly make use of literals , NO BIND VARIABLES
  and was running without any lib cache latch or shared pool latch
 problems
 on
  7.3.2
 
  We ported the DB to 8.1.5 and v$session_wait is full of latch free
 event
  !!
  all the latch waits are on lib cache and shapred pool (as expected from
 any
  app NOT using bind vars)
  and the app is running terribly  slow !!
 
  my question is... how 7.3.2 was able to handle this ?? how i explain
 this
 to
  my management ?
  i was able to convince then on porting to 8i to get better perfornace !!
 
  note: i cannot change the app. all changes must be from the back end.
 
  TIA
 
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RE: strtSID.cmd security hole??

2001-07-26 Thread Farnsworth, Dave

$Oracle_Home\database

Also, I forgot to mention that I am on windoze NT.

Dave

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Where is the strtSID.cmd file?  I don;t see it anywhere under
$ORACLE_HOME.



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 I inherited an Oracle 7.3.4 database that nobody knew the internal
password
 for.  So I was doing some research on metalink and came across an article
 that mentioned the strtSID.cmd file would have the password.  I was
amazed
 to open up this file and see the unencrypted password for internal.  I
then
 check my 8.0.5 database and the same thing.  Then I checked my 8.1.7
 database and it was not there.  Did this gaping security hole disappear in
 the 8i database?  I sure hope so.
 Both the 7.3.4 and 8.0.5 have the remote_login_passwordfile init paramater
 set to SHARED, whereas my 8.1.7 is set to EXCLUSIVE.  I don't know if this
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deletion of data from a large table

2001-07-26 Thread Rukmini Devi

Hi All,
   I have deleted 3 lakhs records from a large table. But there is no effect
on tablespace i.e. before I delete the data freespace in TS is 100MB , after
deletion also it is showing 100MB. What could be the reason ? How to get the
freespace after deleting the data ?
Thanks
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RE: strtSID.cmd security hole??

2001-07-26 Thread Farnsworth, Dave

Yes, it's windoze NT 4.0.

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Dave,

What's the platform?  NT?

Jared




 

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I inherited an Oracle 7.3.4 database that nobody knew the internal password
for.  So I was doing some research on metalink and came across an article
that mentioned the strtSID.cmd file would have the password.  I was
amazed
to open up this file and see the unencrypted password for internal.  I then
check my 8.0.5 database and the same thing.  Then I checked my 8.1.7
database and it was not there.  Did this gaping security hole disappear in
the 8i database?  I sure hope so.
Both the 7.3.4 and 8.0.5 have the remote_login_passwordfile init paramater
set to SHARED, whereas my 8.1.7 is set to EXCLUSIVE.  I don't know if this
has something to do with it.

Thanks,

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RE: Help ! ORA-00600 : internal error code

2001-07-26 Thread John Dunn

That I've resolved
setting the event 10262.

Sorry ..I didn't understand that bit. Can you clarify please

John



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 I enclose a metalink document that I have because of
 that error. Obsviously it is related with the PGA.
 However I add sth in contradiction with the note, I've
 seen a similar problem on 8.1.7. That I've resolved
 setting the event 10262.
 
 
 Doc ID:  Note:131490.1 
 big for this port (o/s) 
 Type:  REFERENCE 
 Status:  REVIEWED 
  Content Type:  TEXT/PLAIN 
 Creation Date:  04-JAN-2001 
 Last Revision Date:  25-MAY-2001 
  
 
 Note: For additional ORA-600 related information
 please read [NOTE:146580.1]
 
 PURPOSE:
   This article discusses the internal error ORA-600
 [733], what 
   it means and possible actions. The information here
 is only applicable 
   to the versions listed and is provided only for
 guidance.
  
 ERROR:  
   ORA-600 [733][a][b][c][d][e]
  
 VERSIONS:   
   versions 7.3.X to 8.1.X
  
 DESCRIPTION:
 
   When allocating an extent in the PGA, if the minimum
 size requested is greater 
   than what is allowed for this port, ORA-00600 [733]
 is logged. 
 
   Program Global Area (PGA) heap/memory allocation
 error.
 
   No data corruption occurs.
  
 ARGUMENTS:  
   [733][min_size][comment] 

   [min_size] 
   The minimum extent size requested, in bytes. 

   [comment] 
   A comment supplied by the caller.
  
 FUNCTIONALITY:  
   MEMORY IMPLEMENATION
  
 IMPACT: 
   PROCESS FAILURE
   NON CORRUPTIVE - No corruption to underlying data.
  
 SUGGESTIONS:
   Known issues: 
   Bug 553250 when trying to bind  32K in a PL/SQL
 table, fixed in 8.1.7 release.
   If receiving this during a query with complex JOIN,
 for example, consider lowering
   sort_area_size or hash_area_size if
 hash_join_enabled = true and rerun the 
   query again so the PGA memory requirements aren't as
 large.
 
 
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Help

2001-07-26 Thread Deewaker G.V.
Title: Help





Hi DBA Gurus


Suppose I have a Table myuser which has 5000 records and another table uruser also 5000 records, and the structure is same for the both... how do I put MYUSER AND 'URUSER to a new table callled OURUSER

Ples help me..


with warm regards,


Deewaker G. V.


Baazee.com India Pvt. Ltd.
(: 4611323 Extn: 216
Fax : 4611324


 Deewaker G.V..vcf 



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RE: deletion of data from a large table

2001-07-26 Thread Thomas, Kevin

If I remember rightly, deleting rows from the table does NOT free up
tablespace. In order to do that you have to trunctate the table (although
this of course deletes all data from the table)...I can't for the life of me
remember how you adjust the space the table is actually using after doing a
delete...(to everyone else) would an analyze work?

Kev.

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Hi All,
   I have deleted 3 lakhs records from a large table. But there is no effect
on tablespace i.e. before I delete the data freespace in TS is 100MB , after
deletion also it is showing 100MB. What could be the reason ? How to get the
freespace after deleting the data ?
Thanks
rukmini




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Re: Help ! ORA-00600 : internal error code

2001-07-26 Thread Joe Testa

call support.

joe
John Dunn wrote:
 
 Help !
 
 What does this mean?
 
 ORA-00600: internal error cod, arguments : [733], [33719116], [pga heap],
 [], [], [], [], []
 
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Re: how do i explain this ?

2001-07-26 Thread ARUN K C

Did you try making time_statistics=FALSE cause this is a bug in 8.1.5 which 
causes lots of latch free waits if it is set as TRUE


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Subject: how do i explain this ?
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 01:37:18 -0800

list,
this application heavyly make use of literals , NO BIND VARIABLES
and was running without any lib cache latch or shared pool latch problems 
on
7.3.2

We ported the DB to 8.1.5 and v$session_wait is full of latch free event
!!
all the latch waits are on lib cache and shapred pool (as expected from any
app NOT using bind vars)
and the app is running terribly  slow !!

my question is... how 7.3.2 was able to handle this ?? how i explain this 
to
my management ?
i was able to convince then on porting to 8i to get better perfornace !!

note: i cannot change the app. all changes must be from the back end.

TIA

Rahul

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RE: Help

2001-07-26 Thread Cale, Rick T (Richard)
Title: Help



Lots 
of ways

CREATE 
TABLE ouruser
AS 
SELECT *
 FROM myuser
 UNION ALL
 SELECT *
 FROM uruser;

This 
will create a table ouruser with 10,000 records.

Rick

  -Original Message-From: Deewaker G.V. 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 7:47 
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  Help
  Hi DBA Gurus 
  Suppose I have a Table myuser which 
  has 5000 records and another table uruser also 5000 records, and the structure 
  is same for the both... how do I put "MYUSER" AND 'URUSER" to a new table 
  callled "OURUSER"
  Ples help me.. 
  with warm regards, 
  Deewaker G. V. 
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  (: 4611323 Extn: 216 Fax : 4611324 
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RE: deletion of data from a large table

2001-07-26 Thread Cale, Rick T (Richard)

I think this is happening because when you DELETE data the High Water
Mark(HWM) is not lowered. Essentially
you have not gained any freespace. If possible you could export remaining
data truncate table then re-import.

Correct me if I am wrong here.

Rick

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Hi All,
   I have deleted 3 lakhs records from a large table. But there is no effect
on tablespace i.e. before I delete the data freespace in TS is 100MB , after
deletion also it is showing 100MB. What could be the reason ? How to get the
freespace after deleting the data ?
Thanks
rukmini




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RE: deletion of data from a large table

2001-07-26 Thread Ramasamy, Baskar

Rukmini,

Try to do coalesce on the tablespace on which the table is sitting in after
deleting rows.

alter tablespace TSNAME coalesce;

Baskar


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Hi All,
   I have deleted 3 lakhs records from a large table. But there is no effect
on tablespace i.e. before I delete the data freespace in TS is 100MB , after
deletion also it is showing 100MB. What could be the reason ? How to get the
freespace after deleting the data ?
Thanks
rukmini




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RE: Veritas Backup Exec Error

2001-07-26 Thread Jeffrey Beckstrom



OS is NT.

1010 means OCI version error. Successfully compiled and ran the OCI 
test program Oracle supplies. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 7/25/01 
4:43:30 PM 
Hi,
 I use this same product, 
however I don't use it to actually backup the databases. But you never 
know, maybe my memory will come back to me and I could semi help.:)
What OS are you using, what's the 1010 error 
again?
KK

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  Installed 8.0.6/8.1.6 as part of Oracle Financials 11i on a new 
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  We have two other servers which are working fine. The only notable 
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Re: Help

2001-07-26 Thread Joe Testa

read the fine manual, but i'm in a good mood

create table ouruser as select * from myuser;
insert into ouruser select * from uruser;

joe
 Deewaker G.V. wrote:
 
 Hi DBA Gurus
 
 Suppose I have a Table myuser which has 5000 records and another table
 uruser also 5000 records, and the structure is same for the both...
 how do I put MYUSER AND 'URUSER to a new table callled OURUSER
 
 Ples help me..
 
 with warm regards,
 
 Deewaker G. V.
 
 Baazee.com India Pvt. Ltd.
 (: 4611323 Extn: 216
 Fax : 4611324
 
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Re: deletion of data from a large table

2001-07-26 Thread Rukmini Devi

This can be done . But what about the constraints ?

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 I think this is happening because when you DELETE data the High Water
 Mark(HWM) is not lowered. Essentially
 you have not gained any freespace. If possible you could export remaining
 data truncate table then re-import.

 Correct me if I am wrong here.

 Rick

 -Original Message-
 Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 7:41 AM
 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


 Hi All,
I have deleted 3 lakhs records from a large table. But there is no
effect
 on tablespace i.e. before I delete the data freespace in TS is 100MB ,
after
 deletion also it is showing 100MB. What could be the reason ? How to get
the
 freespace after deleting the data ?
 Thanks
 rukmini




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ER Diagram of a schema

2001-07-26 Thread dbabaiju

Hi guys, 
What queries to run on a schema to get info that would enable me to draw an ER Diagram 
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Rman and multiple channels

2001-07-26 Thread Giles, Teri

OS - digital unix 4.0d
hardware - Alpha 8400

Rman backup to disk with 1 channel allocated - for full hot backup is taking
over 8 hours.  Will multiple channels allocated increase the speed or reduce
the speed of the backup?



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RE: deletion of data from a large table

2001-07-26 Thread MHately



Hi folks,

Rick Cale was correct in saying that a truncate would release the storage by
default.
The only other option is to drop and recreate the table.

Oracle will only release allocated storage when it is specifically asked to.
The overhead on having a process monitoring which space it can drop would be
prohibitive and needless. ( Imagine an example where an interface table is
constantly filled and emptied - do you really want the storage to be constantly
allocated and deallocated? ).

Coalescing the tablespace will group adjacent free extents together but will
have no effect on allocated blocks.

Regards,
Mike Hately,
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Rukmini,

Try to do coalesce on the tablespace on which the table is sitting in after
deleting rows.

alter tablespace TSNAME coalesce;

Baskar


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   I have deleted 3 lakhs records from a large table. But there is no effect
on tablespace i.e. before I delete the data freespace in TS is 100MB , after
deletion also it is showing 100MB. What could be the reason ? How to get the
freespace after deleting the data ?
Thanks
rukmini




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URGENT

2001-07-26 Thread Saravana Kumar



Hi Friends,
 
I would very need full if u could help me.

I would like to know

a) Howto track down how 
many times a user is accessinga particular table.

Thanks in advance

Regards
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RE: Help ! ORA-00600 : internal error code

2001-07-26 Thread Christian Trassens

I've seen another 0600 related with yours. The 0600
was 0600 [723]. And the solution for that was setting
the event 10262 in the following way:

event=10262 trace name context forever, level 2000
  
This appeared on a 8.1.7.1 database in Solaris.

That was what I meant.

Regards.

PS: Have you solved it ?.


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 That I've resolved
 setting the event 10262.
 
 Sorry ..I didn't understand that bit. Can you
 clarify please
 
 John
 
 
 
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 code 
  
  I enclose a metalink document that I have because
 of
  that error. Obsviously it is related with the PGA.
  However I add sth in contradiction with the note,
 I've
  seen a similar problem on 8.1.7. That I've
 resolved
  setting the event 10262.
  
  
  Doc ID:  Note:131490.1 
  big for this port (o/s) 
  Type:  REFERENCE 
  Status:  REVIEWED 
   Content Type:  TEXT/PLAIN 
  Creation Date:  04-JAN-2001 
  Last Revision Date:  25-MAY-2001 
   
  
  Note: For additional ORA-600 related information
  please read [NOTE:146580.1]
  
  PURPOSE:
This article discusses the internal error
 ORA-600
  [733], what 
it means and possible actions. The information
 here
  is only applicable 
to the versions listed and is provided only for
  guidance.
   
  ERROR:  
ORA-600 [733][a][b][c][d][e]
   
  VERSIONS:   
versions 7.3.X to 8.1.X
   
  DESCRIPTION:
  
When allocating an extent in the PGA, if the
 minimum
  size requested is greater 
than what is allowed for this port, ORA-00600
 [733]
  is logged. 
  
Program Global Area (PGA) heap/memory allocation
  error.
  
No data corruption occurs.
   
  ARGUMENTS:  
[733][min_size][comment] 
 
[min_size] 
The minimum extent size requested, in bytes. 
 
[comment] 
A comment supplied by the caller.
   
  FUNCTIONALITY:  
MEMORY IMPLEMENATION
   
  IMPACT: 
PROCESS FAILURE
NON CORRUPTIVE - No corruption to underlying
 data.
   
  SUGGESTIONS:
Known issues: 
Bug 553250 when trying to bind  32K in a PL/SQL
  table, fixed in 8.1.7 release.
If receiving this during a query with complex
 JOIN,
  for example, consider lowering
sort_area_size or hash_area_size if
  hash_join_enabled = true and rerun the 
query again so the PGA memory requirements
 aren't as
  large.
  
  
  REgards.
  
  
  
  
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   ORA-00600: internal error cod, arguments :
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RE: Help

2001-07-26 Thread Chesebro, Eric

CREATE TABLE OURUSER 
AS 
SELECT *
FROM MYUSER
 
INSERT INTO OURUSER
SELECT *
FROM URUSER

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Hi DBA Gurus 

Suppose I have a Table myuser which has 5000 records and another table
uruser also 5000 records, and the structure is same for the both... how do I
put MYUSER AND 'URUSER to a new table callled OURUSER

Ples help me.. 

with warm regards, 

Deewaker G. V. 

Baazee.com India Pvt. Ltd. 
*: 4611323 Extn: 216 
Fax : 4611324 

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9i ? What is this ?

2001-07-26 Thread Eca Eca

Hi Friends :

Does anyone could explain in general how is the Database 9i, comparing it 
with 8i, 8.1, 8.0 ?

I know a bit about this ...

Wich part is too diferent from others versions ?

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RE: strtSID.cmd security hole??

2001-07-26 Thread Mercadante, Thomas F

All,

This file is gone on 816 on NT.

Tom Mercadante
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$Oracle_Home\database

Also, I forgot to mention that I am on windoze NT.

Dave

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Where is the strtSID.cmd file?  I don;t see it anywhere under
$ORACLE_HOME.



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 Subject:  strtSID.cmd security hole??
 
 I inherited an Oracle 7.3.4 database that nobody knew the internal
password
 for.  So I was doing some research on metalink and came across an article
 that mentioned the strtSID.cmd file would have the password.  I was
amazed
 to open up this file and see the unencrypted password for internal.  I
then
 check my 8.0.5 database and the same thing.  Then I checked my 8.1.7
 database and it was not there.  Did this gaping security hole disappear in
 the 8i database?  I sure hope so.
 Both the 7.3.4 and 8.0.5 have the remote_login_passwordfile init paramater
 set to SHARED, whereas my 8.1.7 is set to EXCLUSIVE.  I don't know if this
 has something to do with it.
 
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AW: URGENT

2001-07-26 Thread Schoen Volker



use 
auditing

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http://www.inplan.de 

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  Hi Friends,
   
  I would very need full if u could help me.
  
  I would like to know
  
  a) Howto track down how 
  many times a user is accessinga particular table.
  
  Thanks in advance
  
  Regards
  Saravana.


RE: Rman and multiple channels

2001-07-26 Thread Mercadante, Thomas F

Teri,

Generally, it will make the backup complete sooner.
Why don't you try it and see?  :)

Tom Mercadante
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OS - digital unix 4.0d
hardware - Alpha 8400

Rman backup to disk with 1 channel allocated - for full hot backup is taking
over 8 hours.  Will multiple channels allocated increase the speed or reduce
the speed of the backup?



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Re: ER Diagram of a schema

2001-07-26 Thread G . Plivna

You cannot create ER diagram of a schema, you can create only server(data)
model diagram
If you want to create this diagram yourself, ie on paper, using some
graphic tool like M$Word, Corel or M$Paint then you will need to use at
least such data dictionary views like
{all/dba/user}_tables
{all/dba/user}_tab_columns
{all/dba/user}_views
{all/dba/user}_constraints

To be more seriuos I would like to suggest to use some more or less
specialized tools like
Oracle Designer
Visio
Erwin
Grade (www.infologistik.com)

Oracle Designer and Visio can connect to Oracle and create server model
diagram from database. Oracle designer provides such a possibility like
table to entity rettrofit which creates ER diagramm. Of course it could be
and usually IS different than original one.
I don't know about Erwin, but Grade cannot make diagrams from databses. I
mentioned it just for info and I think it was rather interesting tool but
cannot be in the top today.

Gints Plivna



   
  
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Re: ER Diagram of a schema

2001-07-26 Thread okhalid


hi dbabaiju

you don't have to write queries to get info that would enable you to draw
ER Diagram of a schema
you can use TOOLS like ER-WIN or SCHEMA BUILDER to draw  ER Diagram of a
schema for you .
i hope this solves your problem :)

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RE: 9i ? What is this ?

2001-07-26 Thread Christopher Spence

Like 8i compared to 8.0, there are many differences.

Walking on water and developing software from a specification are easy if
both are frozen.

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Hi Friends :

Does anyone could explain in general how is the Database 9i, comparing it 
with 8i, 8.1, 8.0 ?

I know a bit about this ...

Wich part is too diferent from others versions ?

Regards

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Re: Securing passwords in scripts

2001-07-26 Thread paquette stephane

Me too.
On unix and NT

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  username/password information in the scripts.  Has
 anyone come up with a way
  to avoid same allowing for the fact the scripts
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  Sean :)
  
 
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Sql/PLUS Question

2001-07-26 Thread Denham Eva

Hi All,

Just a short How to...
Is there some way to find out what your session parameters are.
I am aware of the 
 show parameters;
But an example is NLS_DATE_FORMAT, if you change it from the system default
using alter session.
And run  show parameter 
It still remains with no value in the VALUE column of the output.
Hope I made myself clear.

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RE: 9i ? What is this ?

2001-07-26 Thread Deshpande, Kirti

Checkout the Oracle 9i Administrator's Guide. It a summarized section in the
beginning, titled 'What's New in Oracle9i?'. You can access the Guide at
http://technet.oracle.com. 

Regards,

- Kirti Deshpande 
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RE: two_task parameter

2001-07-26 Thread William Rogge

We use the two_task parameter to allow our users to connect to the database 
instance defined by the two_task variable.  Doing so, the users do not know 
or even care about the fact that multiple database instances are running on 
the same platform.

Simplistically, if it is set to a database instance name, then the database 
field (during login) need not be filled in.

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i have searched metalink and documantion cd  but i could nor find  any note
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   please could you give information ?
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RE: strtSID.cmd security hole??

2001-07-26 Thread Rodd Holman

Comments have been made about going to UNIX and setting it to 700.  Same 
idea on NT is to right click on the file and change it's properties.  On 
the security tab, lock down the permissions so Administrator and Oracle 
are the only ones who can read, execute, or modify the file.  Although 
creating an externally identified users will remove the need for the 
password in the file.

Rodd

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 After doing more research on this, this file is required if you want to 
have
 the autostart of an oracle service to happen.  Autostart does not work
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 Dave

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 All,

 This file is gone on 816 on NT.

 Tom Mercadante
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 $Oracle_Home\database

 Also, I forgot to mention that I am on windoze NT.

 Dave

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 Where is the strtSID.cmd file?  I don;t see it anywhere under
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  I inherited an Oracle 7.3.4 database that nobody knew the internal
 password
  for.  So I was doing some research on metalink and came across an article
  that mentioned the strtSID.cmd file would have the password.  I was
 amazed
  to open up this file and see the unencrypted password for internal.  I
 then
  check my 8.0.5 database and the same thing.  Then I checked my 8.1.7
  database and it was not there.  Did this gaping security hole disappear 
in
  the 8i database?  I sure hope so.
  Both the 7.3.4 and 8.0.5 have the remote_login_passwordfile init 
paramater
  set to SHARED, whereas my 8.1.7 is set to EXCLUSIVE.  I don't know if 
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RE: new alert regarding 8.1.7.2 patchset

2001-07-26 Thread Gogala, Mladen

This makes me wonder: what kind of regression testing is implemented by
oracle?
Trial and error? It makes me wonder, oh it makes me wander (Stairway to
Heaven)

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 Note: 153172.1 ALERT: Do NOT Install 8.1.7.2.0 Patch
 Set on top of 8.1.7.1
 
 
 8.1.7.2.0 Patch Set Does Not Install Correctly Over
 8.1.7.1/8.1.7.1B
  
 
 
 This alert will be updated to indicate the current
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   Versions Affected 
   ~ 
 This problem affects the installation of the
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   Platforms Affected 
   ~~ 
 This problem affects the following platforms only:
   HPUX (Oracle 32 bit release)
   HPUX (Oracle 64 bit release)
   Compaq Tru64
   Intel Solaris
 
 This problem does NOT affect the following
 platform:
   Sun Sparc Solaris (Oracle 32 bit release)
 
 8.1.7.2 has not been released on any other
 platform yet.
   Other platforms will have this problem
 corrected prior
   to their 8.1.7.2 Patch Set being released.
 
 
   Description 
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 either 8.1.7.1 or
 8.1.7.1B then the patch set does not install
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 are reported during the installation but the
 Oracle version banner still
 shows the version to be 8.1.7.1.

 
   Likelihood of Occurrence 
    
 You will encounter this problem if you install the
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 on top of either 8.1.7.1 or 8.1.7.1B on any of the
 platforms listed above.
 
 You are STRONGLY advised NOT to install 8.1.7.2.0
 on top of 8.1.7.1
 releases until this issue is addressed.

 
   Possible Symptoms 
   ~ 
 The main visible symptoms of this issue are:
   a. The Oracle version banner still shows the
 RDBMS release to be
  8.1.7.1
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 to be 8.1.7.1
   c. Bugs fixed in 8.1.7.2 may still be
 encountered 
 
 There may be additional symptoms not yet
 discovered as the resulting
 installation contains an untested combination of
 modules.

 
   Workaround 
   ~~
 The only workaround to this problem is to install
 8.1.7.2.0 on top of
 an 8.1.7.0 Oracle installation.
 ie: If the current installation is at release
 8.1.7.1, then you must
 reinstall 8.1.7.0 and then apply the 8.1.7.2
 patch set.
 
 If you have already installed 8.1.7.2 on top of
 8.1.7.1 then it is
 advisable to reinstall the base release (8.1.7.0)
 and then apply
 the patch set on top of this to get a proper
 8.1.7.2 release 
 installed.
 
 
   Patches
   ~~~
 The affected patch sets will be re-released
 shortly with the
 version number 8.1.7.2.1. These updated patch sets
 will install 
 on top of 8.1.7.1, 8.1.7.1B or 8.1.7.0. If
 possible please 
 avoid upgrading until the revised patch sets are
 released.
 
 
   References
   ~~
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Re: deletion of data from a large table

2001-07-26 Thread Raghu Kota



Rukmini

If you have good PCTUSED you are safe!! The space will be reused, Other wise 
You have to reorganize table!!

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Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 04:35:48 -0800

This can be done . But what about the constraints ?

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  I think this is happening because when you DELETE data the High Water
  Mark(HWM) is not lowered. Essentially
  you have not gained any freespace. If possible you could export 
remaining
  data truncate table then re-import.
 
  Correct me if I am wrong here.
 
  Rick
 
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  Hi All,
 I have deleted 3 lakhs records from a large table. But there is no
effect
  on tablespace i.e. before I delete the data freespace in TS is 100MB ,
after
  deletion also it is showing 100MB. What could be the reason ? How to get
the
  freespace after deleting the data ?
  Thanks
  rukmini
 
 
 
 
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RE: deletion of data from a large table

2001-07-26 Thread Hillman, Alex

Great discussion. Reminds me of lazydba list.

Alex Hillman

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Hi folks,

Rick Cale was correct in saying that a truncate would release the storage by
default.
The only other option is to drop and recreate the table.

Oracle will only release allocated storage when it is specifically asked to.
The overhead on having a process monitoring which space it can drop would be
prohibitive and needless. ( Imagine an example where an interface table is
constantly filled and emptied - do you really want the storage to be
constantly
allocated and deallocated? ).

Coalescing the tablespace will group adjacent free extents together but will
have no effect on allocated blocks.

Regards,
Mike Hately,
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Rukmini,

Try to do coalesce on the tablespace on which the table is sitting in after
deleting rows.

alter tablespace TSNAME coalesce;

Baskar


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Hi All,
   I have deleted 3 lakhs records from a large table. But there is no effect
on tablespace i.e. before I delete the data freespace in TS is 100MB , after
deletion also it is showing 100MB. What could be the reason ? How to get the
freespace after deleting the data ?
Thanks
rukmini




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RE: Sql/PLUS Question

2001-07-26 Thread Kevin Lange

In sqlplus you can 

select * from v$parameter;


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Hi All,

Just a short How to...
Is there some way to find out what your session parameters are.
I am aware of the 
 show parameters;
But an example is NLS_DATE_FORMAT, if you change it from the system default
using alter session.
And run  show parameter 
It still remains with no value in the VALUE column of the output.
Hope I made myself clear.

Thanks In Advance
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RE: Looking for a tool

2001-07-26 Thread paquette stephane

The major tools of the market (Cognos, Business
Objects , Brio) aer supposed to handle your
requirements.

W'e're implement Businness Objects Web Intelligence
tools . It will interact with BEA Weblogic.

So far Business Objects tools are not stable at all,
we have almost a dirct line to the tech support .



 --- Reardon, Bruce (CALBBAY)
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Don't know about Discoverer 9i but I believe earlier
 versions would work
 with any ODBC database.
 With Oracle Oracle and Oracle Rdb that has SQLNet
 installed then you will
 get time estimations etc.
 
 ie - more features with Oracle (eg scheduling
 reports on dbms_job queues)
 but I believe will work with ODBC databases.
 
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 Discoverer 9i  the demo at ODTUG was capable of
 doing almost everything
 that you mention here. Only two problems ...
 
 1. works with Oracle only (AFAIK)
 2. It is not available yet  (last time I saw, it
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Re: Trigger on Create User

2001-07-26 Thread Chaim . Katz



I  tried the same thing but  the  trigger gives you an error about ddl operation
not being allowed in a system trigger.
Here is a work-around:
CREATE or REPLACE TRIGGER alteruser
AFTER CREATE on DATABASE
DECLARE
JobNo NUMBER;
BEGIN
IF ora_dict_obj_type = 'USER' THEN
   DBMS_JOB.SUBMIT(
 job= JobNo,
 what='alter_the_user('''||ora_dict_obj_name||''');',
 next_date=sysdate);
END IF;
END;

The job runs once (because there is no interval), and the procedure
alter_the_user  is just:
EXECUTE IMMEDIATE 'alter user '||user_in
||' temporary tablespace temp';

Hth,
Chaim




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Hi Guys,
  I was hoping to use the new 8i triggers to prevent
new users from getting assigned to the SYSTEM tablespace.
Has anyone seen a way to build a trigger on a CREATE USER statement?
Thx,
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RE: deletion of data from a large table

2001-07-26 Thread Miller, Jay

You would need to drop any foreign key constraints pointing to that table
before truncating and then recreate them after reloading the data.
If I remember correctly, simply disabling them won't work since Oracle
treats Truncate Table the same as Drop Table in many ways.
Other constraints (NOT NULL, etc) won't be affected.

Also, depending on the size of your initial extent and the amount of data
you have remaining, you might be able to resize the one remaining datafile
down after you truncate the table. (e.g., if your initial exent is 5 Meg and
you don't anticipate ever having more than 1 Meg of data, you can RESIZE the
datafile down to 5 Meg after the truncate).

Jay Miller

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This can be done . But what about the constraints ?

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 I think this is happening because when you DELETE data the High Water
 Mark(HWM) is not lowered. Essentially
 you have not gained any freespace. If possible you could export remaining
 data truncate table then re-import.

 Correct me if I am wrong here.

 Rick

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 Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 7:41 AM
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 Hi All,
I have deleted 3 lakhs records from a large table. But there is no
effect
 on tablespace i.e. before I delete the data freespace in TS is 100MB ,
after
 deletion also it is showing 100MB. What could be the reason ? How to get
the
 freespace after deleting the data ?
 Thanks
 rukmini




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RE: ER Diagram of a schema

2001-07-26 Thread Guy Hammond

Visio Pro 2002 is great for reverse engineering schemas, and *so* much
cheaper than Oracle Designer... :0)

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Hi guys, 
What queries to run on a schema to get info that would enable me to draw
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RE: Sql/PLUS Question

2001-07-26 Thread Cale, Rick T (Richard)

You can do SELECT * FROM nls_database_parameters;

Rick

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Hi All,

Just a short How to...
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I am aware of the 
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But an example is NLS_DATE_FORMAT, if you change it from the system default
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And run  show parameter 
It still remains with no value in the VALUE column of the output.
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Thanks In Advance
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[Q] exp from 8.1.7 and import to 8.1.6?

2001-07-26 Thread ef 8454
I just upgrade ORACLE from 8.1.6 to 8.1.7 (SUn Solaris). My question is can I export from 8.1.7 and bring the dump file import into 8.1.6 ORACLE server?


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Re: Help

2001-07-26 Thread tday6

Or try

create table ouruser as select * from (select * from myuser
union
select * from uruser);


   

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create table ouruser as select * from myuser;
insert into ouruser select * from uruser;

joe
 Deewaker G.V. wrote:

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 Suppose I have a Table myuser which has 5000 records and another table
 uruser also 5000 records, and the structure is same for the both...
 how do I put MYUSER AND 'URUSER to a new table callled OURUSER

 Ples help me..

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Re: Trigger on Create User

2001-07-26 Thread G . Plivna


Maybe you can simply call procedure with autonomous transaction in system
trigger
Is it possible?

Gints Plivna


   
  
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I  tried the same thing but  the  trigger gives you an error about ddl
operation
not being allowed in a system trigger.
Here is a work-around:
CREATE or REPLACE TRIGGER alteruser
AFTER CREATE on DATABASE
DECLARE
JobNo NUMBER;
BEGIN
IF ora_dict_obj_type = 'USER' THEN
   DBMS_JOB.SUBMIT(
 job= JobNo,
 what='alter_the_user('''||ora_dict_obj_name||''');',
 next_date=sysdate);
END IF;
END;

The job runs once (because there is no interval), and the procedure
alter_the_user  is just:
EXECUTE IMMEDIATE 'alter user '||user_in
||' temporary tablespace temp';

Hth,
Chaim




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Hi Guys,
  I was hoping to use the new 8i triggers to prevent
new users from getting assigned to the SYSTEM tablespace.
Has anyone seen a way to build a trigger on a CREATE USER statement?
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RE: new alert regarding 8.1.7.2 patchset

2001-07-26 Thread Orr, Steve

And if you listen very hard...

Anyone know when the 8.1.7.2 patchset will be out for Linux?

Patches, I'm depending on you Son...

Steve Orr



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This makes me wonder: what kind of regression testing is implemented by
oracle?
Trial and error? It makes me wonder, oh it makes me wander (Stairway to
Heaven)

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 Note: 153172.1 ALERT: Do NOT Install 8.1.7.2.0 Patch
 Set on top of 8.1.7.1
 
 
 8.1.7.2.0 Patch Set Does Not Install Correctly Over
 8.1.7.1/8.1.7.1B
  
 
 
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   Other platforms will have this problem
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   to their 8.1.7.2 Patch Set being released.
 
 
   Description 
   ~~~ 
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 You are STRONGLY advised NOT to install 8.1.7.2.0
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   Possible Symptoms 
   ~ 
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   a. The Oracle version banner still shows the
 RDBMS release to be
  8.1.7.1
   b. SELECT * FROM V$VERSION shows the release
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   c. Bugs fixed in 8.1.7.2 may still be
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 There may be additional symptoms not yet
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 installation contains an untested combination of
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   Workaround 
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 8.1.7.1 then it is
 advisable to reinstall the base release (8.1.7.0)
 and then apply
 the patch set on top of this to get a proper
 8.1.7.2 release 
 installed.
 
 
   Patches
   ~~~
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 shortly with the
 version number 8.1.7.2.1. These updated patch sets
 will install 
 on top of 8.1.7.1, 8.1.7.1B or 8.1.7.0. If
 possible please 
 avoid upgrading until the revised patch sets are
 released.
 
 
   References
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 [BUG:1898001]
  
 
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RE: ER Diagram of a schema

2001-07-26 Thread G . Plivna


Yea and it can reverse engineer not only oracle, but for example mysql
database too.
Designer cannot because it has too strict rules for column types.

Gints Plivna




   

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Hi guys,
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RE: new alert regarding 8.1.7.2 patchset

2001-07-26 Thread JOE TESTA

regression testing?, heck we are the alpha/beta/regression testers :)

joe


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This makes me wonder: what kind of regression testing is implemented by
oracle?
Trial and error? It makes me wonder, oh it makes me wander (Stairway to
Heaven)

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 Note: 153172.1 ALERT: Do NOT Install 8.1.7.2.0 Patch
 Set on top of 8.1.7.1
 
 
 8.1.7.2.0 Patch Set Does Not Install Correctly Over
 8.1.7.1/8.1.7.1B
  
 
 
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   Versions Affected 
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   ~~ 
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   HPUX (Oracle 32 bit release)
   HPUX (Oracle 64 bit release)
   Compaq Tru64
   Intel Solaris
 
 This problem does NOT affect the following
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 8.1.7.2 has not been released on any other
 platform yet.
   Other platforms will have this problem
 corrected prior
   to their 8.1.7.2 Patch Set being released.
 
 
   Description 
   ~~~ 
 If the 8.1.7.2.0 Patch Set is installed on top of
 either 8.1.7.1 or
 8.1.7.1B then the patch set does not install
 correctly. No errors
 are reported during the installation but the
 Oracle version banner still
 shows the version to be 8.1.7.1.

 
   Likelihood of Occurrence 
    
 You will encounter this problem if you install the
 8.1.7.2.0 patch set
 on top of either 8.1.7.1 or 8.1.7.1B on any of the
 platforms listed above.
 
 You are STRONGLY advised NOT to install 8.1.7.2.0
 on top of 8.1.7.1
 releases until this issue is addressed.

 
   Possible Symptoms 
   ~ 
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   a. The Oracle version banner still shows the
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  8.1.7.1
   b. SELECT * FROM V$VERSION shows the release
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 patch set.
 
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 8.1.7.1 then it is
 advisable to reinstall the base release (8.1.7.0)
 and then apply
 the patch set on top of this to get a proper
 8.1.7.2 release 
 installed.
 
 
   Patches
   ~~~
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 shortly with the
 version number 8.1.7.2.1. These updated patch sets
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 possible please 
 avoid upgrading until the revised patch sets are
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RE: OT, It's all about Alex

2001-07-26 Thread Hillman, Alex

Chris, I would post my presentation on the list and maybe somebody will be
able to decipher what I tried to present :-)(hint - locally managed
tablespaces, temporary tablespaces and global temporary tables) but I think
it will not be appreciated by the list owner and also because it is in PP
format I don't think list software will allow it - so one way is to send me
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Alex did great.  I learned a lot...err...just not sure what I learned.
(grin)

Unfortunely, I had to miss his second presentation.

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Alex, how did the paper/present go?

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Maybe some spelling errors in the abstract -:)

Alex Hillman

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What is required to submit a paper/presentation to IOUGA and get excepted.

Walking on water and developing software from a specification are easy if
both are frozen.

Christopher R. Spence
Oracle DBA
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IOUG 2002 call for papers already.


Submit your presentation via the IOUG-A Web site at
http://www.ioug.org/call-m no later than FRIDAY, SEPTEMBER 14, 2001. Mini
Lesson and Technical Session presenters receive complimentary registration
at IOUG-A Live! 2002 when your abstract is chosen! 

New for 2002 - Quick Tips! Share your unique and valuable tips during these
new 30-minute presentations. Quick Tips provide great experience for first
time presenters and allow experienced presenters to get to the heart of the
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a discount on the Early Bird registration rate!


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RE: RE: Data load options

2001-07-26 Thread Koivu, Lisa
Title: RE: RE: Data load options





Oh yes. You are right. It loads full blocks above the HWM. Forgot to mention that... thanks for pointing out that VERY important bit of info. Must be the narcotics.

Lisa


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Lisa,


 SQL*Loader in direct path can cause you storage problems since it always
appends to the table(s) ignoring blocks on the free block list. I found that
out after a developer was using it for our data warehouse. At the end of a year
he had burned almost 100GB of disk  it kept increasing even though he was
trying to keep only a rolling 180 window. On a hunch we exported the data,
truncated the table  imported the data back in. The amount of tablespace being
used dropped 50%.


Dick Goulet


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Author: Koivu; Lisa [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 7/25/2001 6:26 AM


Hi Sean, 


Others have given you different options. Here's some considerations:


1. SQL Script. 
* Can be SLOW 
* May require intermittent commits in your script
* Manual and error prone
* Must go through SQL engine


2. SQL Loader
* Can be very fast (direct - bypassing SQL engine). 
* Direct path load will invalidate indexes. 
* You can keep track of rejected records easily (.bad file)
* Dependent upon your file format being EXACT, no errors.


3. Import
* Requires minimal manual fiddling
* Can be very slow - I once imported 150GB and it took ~3 days
* Does not seamlessly handle all object types (INtermedia (domain)
indexes is one example)
* Restarting an import will take a lot longer. If your import fails,
be sure and truncate/drop all tables before starting again. 
* Have the option of not including indexes (INDEXES=N)
* Can also reset your storage parms prior to import (export with
data=n, edit file [SSSHHH] and enter new storage parms / import, export with
data=y, import data with IGNORE=Y)


I'm sure others will have additional considerations to share. My choice has
always been exp/imp. 


Lisa Koivu
The Vicodin-enhanced DBA
Ft. Lauderdale, FL, USA 


 -Original Message-
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 Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 6:16 AM
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 Subject: Data load options
 
 I'm trying to compile a list of options for loading data into an Oracle
 database on NT platform. What I've come up with so far is:
 [1] SQL script that performs inserts, updates.
 [2] SQL Loader utility
 [3] Import utility
 
 Are there others?
 Anyone care to share experience based opinions on pros and cons of the
 methods?
 
 
 Sean :)
 
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Oracle pricing

2001-07-26 Thread Koivu, Lisa
Title: Oracle pricing





Has anyone experienced Oracle sales people gouging each other? Seems like they are getting pretty cut throat. I got one quote for $400,000, and a second quote for less than 25% of that, from two different people. WOW. They are beginning to sound like the company I work for - different story from different people.

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ot: RE: Data load options vicodin

2001-07-26 Thread Koivu, Lisa
Title: ot:  RE: Data load options vicodin





A pain reliever (narcotic) that makes you really woozy sleepy and stupid. 
Lucky I'm not actually supporting a database. I'm off the painkillers today, yesterday was bad . . . 




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Go on  then Lisa, I rise to the challenge
 
For us UK based listers what is Vicodin?
 
John


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Hi Sean, 


Others have given you different options.  Here's some considerations: 


1.  SQL Script. 


Can be SLOW 
May require intermittent commits in your script 
Manual and error prone 
Must go through SQL engine



2.  SQL Loader 


Can be very fast (direct - bypassing SQL engine). 
Direct path load will invalidate indexes. 
You can keep track of rejected records easily (.bad file) 
Dependent upon your file format being EXACT, no errors.



3.  Import 


Requires minimal manual fiddling 
Can be very slow - I once imported 150GB and it took ~3 days 
Does not seamlessly handle all object types (INtermedia (domain) indexes is one example) 
Restarting an import will take a lot longer.  If your import fails, be sure and truncate/drop all tables before starting again. 
Have the option of not including indexes (INDEXES=N) 
Can also reset your storage parms prior to import (export with data=n, edit file [SSSHHH] and enter new storage parms / import, export with data=y, import data with IGNORE=Y)



I'm sure others will have additional considerations to share.  My choice has always been exp/imp. 


Lisa Koivu
The Vicodin-enhanced DBA
Ft. Lauderdale, FL, USA 


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I'm trying to compile a list of options for loading data into an Oracle
database on NT platform.  What I've come up with so far is:
[1] SQL script that performs inserts, updates.
[2] SQL Loader utility
[3] Import utility 


Are there others?
Anyone care to share experience based opinions on pros and cons of the
methods? 



Sean :) 


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RE: deletion of data from a large table

2001-07-26 Thread Miller, Jay

Oops, meant to say you can RESIZE the
datafile down to 1 Meg after the truncate

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You would need to drop any foreign key constraints pointing to that table
before truncating and then recreate them after reloading the data.
If I remember correctly, simply disabling them won't work since Oracle
treats Truncate Table the same as Drop Table in many ways.
Other constraints (NOT NULL, etc) won't be affected.

Also, depending on the size of your initial extent and the amount of data
you have remaining, you might be able to resize the one remaining datafile
down after you truncate the table. (e.g., if your initial exent is 5 Meg and
you don't anticipate ever having more than 1 Meg of data, you can RESIZE the
datafile down to 5 Meg after the truncate).

Jay Miller

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This can be done . But what about the constraints ?

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 I think this is happening because when you DELETE data the High Water
 Mark(HWM) is not lowered. Essentially
 you have not gained any freespace. If possible you could export remaining
 data truncate table then re-import.

 Correct me if I am wrong here.

 Rick

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 Hi All,
I have deleted 3 lakhs records from a large table. But there is no
effect
 on tablespace i.e. before I delete the data freespace in TS is 100MB ,
after
 deletion also it is showing 100MB. What could be the reason ? How to get
the
 freespace after deleting the data ?
 Thanks
 rukmini




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Re: ot: RE: Data load options vicodin

2001-07-26 Thread Thater, William

Koivu, Lisa wrote:
 
 A pain reliever (narcotic) that makes you really woozy sleepy and
 stupid.
 Lucky I'm not actually supporting a database.   I'm off the
 painkillers today, yesterday was bad . . .

so how many duhvelopers did you take out to need that stuff?;-)


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RE: deletion of data from a large table

2001-07-26 Thread Rakesh Gupta

This is what I use for truncating data from a large table with foreign key constraints.
select 'alter table ' ||b.table_name ||' disable constraint '||b.constraint_name
||';'
from user_constraints a, user_constraints b
where a.table_name = tablename and
a.constraint_name = b.r_constraint_name and
b.constraint_type='R'
/   
truncate table tablename;

select 'alter table ' ||b.table_name ||' enable constraint '||b.constraint_name|
|';'
from user_constraints a, user_constraints b
where a.table_name = tablename and
a.constraint_name = b.r_constraint_name and
b.constraint_type='R'
/

Rakesh


 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/26/01 11:01AM 
You would need to drop any foreign key constraints pointing to that table
before truncating and then recreate them after reloading the data.
If I remember correctly, simply disabling them won't work since Oracle
treats Truncate Table the same as Drop Table in many ways.
Other constraints (NOT NULL, etc) won't be affected.

Also, depending on the size of your initial extent and the amount of data
you have remaining, you might be able to resize the one remaining datafile
down after you truncate the table. (e.g., if your initial exent is 5 Meg and
you don't anticipate ever having more than 1 Meg of data, you can RESIZE the
datafile down to 5 Meg after the truncate).

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This can be done . But what about the constraints ?

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Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 5:41 PM


 I think this is happening because when you DELETE data the High Water
 Mark(HWM) is not lowered. Essentially
 you have not gained any freespace. If possible you could export remaining
 data truncate table then re-import.

 Correct me if I am wrong here.

 Rick

 -Original Message-
 Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 7:41 AM
 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


 Hi All,
I have deleted 3 lakhs records from a large table. But there is no
effect
 on tablespace i.e. before I delete the data freespace in TS is 100MB ,
after
 deletion also it is showing 100MB. What could be the reason ? How to get
the
 freespace after deleting the data ?
 Thanks
 rukmini




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Re: Solaris.. help.!!

2001-07-26 Thread Scott Shafer

http://docs.sun.com


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 Hi all,
 
 please help me in finding the right doc about starting from scratch on
 Solaris.
 I'm looking for Solaris for Oracle. can anyone suggest me some good
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 like introduction, architectue, installtion and configuration etc..
 
 thanks.
 
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Re: deletion of data from a large table

2001-07-26 Thread Terry Ball

Well, I have disabled FK constraints, done a truncate and re-enabled.

Terry

Miller, Jay wrote:

 You would need to drop any foreign key constraints pointing to that table
 before truncating and then recreate them after reloading the data.
 If I remember correctly, simply disabling them won't work since Oracle
 treats Truncate Table the same as Drop Table in many ways.
 Other constraints (NOT NULL, etc) won't be affected.

 Also, depending on the size of your initial extent and the amount of data
 you have remaining, you might be able to resize the one remaining datafile
 down after you truncate the table. (e.g., if your initial exent is 5 Meg and
 you don't anticipate ever having more than 1 Meg of data, you can RESIZE the
 datafile down to 5 Meg after the truncate).

 Jay Miller

 -Original Message-
 Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 8:36 AM
 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L

 This can be done . But what about the constraints ?

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 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 5:41 PM

  I think this is happening because when you DELETE data the High Water
  Mark(HWM) is not lowered. Essentially
  you have not gained any freespace. If possible you could export remaining
  data truncate table then re-import.
 
  Correct me if I am wrong here.
 
  Rick
 
  -Original Message-
  Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 7:41 AM
  To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
 
 
  Hi All,
 I have deleted 3 lakhs records from a large table. But there is no
 effect
  on tablespace i.e. before I delete the data freespace in TS is 100MB ,
 after
  deletion also it is showing 100MB. What could be the reason ? How to get
 the
  freespace after deleting the data ?
  Thanks
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RE: effect of Initial and Next exents...

2001-07-26 Thread Raghu Kota


Thanks Lisa, and all who responded. Yeah I find that document interesting...



From: Koivu, Lisa [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: RE: effect of Initial and Next exents...
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 07:47:07 -0800

Raghu,

There are differing opinions regarding multiple extents.  I subscribe to 
the
belief that multiple extents are not a bad thing.  The latency between the
extent reads is not a factor until the number of extents reaches ~4000.  I
remember reading a white paper on this topic, however I can't tell you
exactly where it is off the top of my head.

If I was the dba for this database, I would be more concerned with
fragmentation and size of extents than the number of extents.  If you
understand your data thoroughly, have fairly accurate estimates for growth
and understand the application it is supporting, you can choose your extent
sizes properly and won't have the problem of 4000+ extents.  Uniform extent
sizes are optimal to avoid fragmentation.

My choice to avoid fragmentation is the method in the white paper entitled
'How to Stop Defragmenting and Start Living'.  I don't know about LMT's,
haven't read up on them, but just from the discussions I've seen on the 
list
about them, it looks like may be an implementation of this idea.

Here's another way to look at it:  If you think multiple extents are bad,
are you going to create a tablespace with a 6gb datafile for your 6gb
1-extent index and hope it doesn't grow?   With larger databases this idea
breaks down very quickly.

HTH, and list, correct me if I am wrong about LMT's.  I can always blame it
on the pain killers.

Lisa Koivu
Ft. Lauderdale, FL, USA

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  Subject:effect of Initial and Next exents...
 
 
 
 
  Hi Friends
 
  I obsered in my big database Tables and Indexes set different Initial 
and
  next extents..So How it will effect on performance?? Suppose one my big
  table has initial 72Mb and next 245Mb..All big indexes(6Gb) was set low
  Initial and next around 245Mb..Any ideas about the performance and
  rectification??...
 
  TIA
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ora 12704 - character set mismatch when select nvarchar2 column

2001-07-26 Thread Harvinder Singh
Title: Oracle pricing



Hi,
I have a table t_base_props with 3 columns defined as 
NVARCHAR2(256)...
When i try to select 
directly from table like select nm_display_name from t_base_props...the 
query is properly executed
but when i try to use ncarchar2 columns in follwing query i am 
getting error ORA-12704: CHARACTER SET MISMATCH:
What might be the reason.
character set of database is WE8IS08859P1.
select
t_sub.id_sub,
map.id_po,map.id_pi_instance,map.id_paramtable, 
decode(tb_ip.id_prop,NULL,
tb.nm_display_name,tb_ip.nm_display_name) as 
instance_nm_name,tb_pt.nm_name pt_nm_name,
tb_po.nm_name po_nm_name,
tb_po.nm_display_name po_nm_display_name,
decode(map.id_sub,null,'N','Y') as b_PersonalRate,
map.b_canICB
from t_base_props tb,t_base_props tb_pt,t_base_props 
tb_po,t_effectivedate te,
t_pi_template,t_sub,t_pl_map map,t_base_props tb_ip
where t_sub.id_acc = 123
and map.id_po = t_sub.id_po
and tb_ip.id_prop = map.id_pi_instance_parent(+)
and 
(map.id_sub is NULL or map.id_sub = t_sub.id_sub and map.id_acc 
= 123) AND
tb.id_prop = map.id_pi_instance AND
tb_pt.id_prop = map.id_paramtable AND
tb_po.id_prop = map.id_po AND
t_pi_template.id_template = map.id_pi_template AND
te.id_eff_date = t_sub.id_eff_date AND 
((te.dt_start = GetUTCDate() AND (GetUTCDate() = 
te.dt_end or te.dt_end is null))
OR (GetUTCDate() = te.dt_start));
Thanks
Harvinder


Re: ot: RE: Data load options vicodin

2001-07-26 Thread Scott Shafer

Bill, 

The duhvelopers failed to take her seriously when she told them, Don't
make me break my foot off in yo a**!!!  
Way to go Lisa!
Look out Rachel - there's a new Godess climbing the slopes of Olympus! 
And dang is she peeved!

;-)

Scott Shafer
San Antonio, TX


Thater, William wrote:
 
 Koivu, Lisa wrote:
 
  A pain reliever (narcotic) that makes you really woozy sleepy and
  stupid.
  Lucky I'm not actually supporting a database.   I'm off the
  painkillers today, yesterday was bad . . .
 
 so how many duhvelopers did you take out to need that stuff?;-)

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RE: effect of Initial and Next exents...

2001-07-26 Thread Ron Rogers

Lisa,
 You are right about the concern about fragmentation over the number
of extents. When you use LMT's that have manually sized extents 
rather that the auto-allocate option, you have a good handle on the
fragmentation problem. If you have a number of different tablespaces 
you can size the extents to match the tables put in them or visa-versa.
As an example: if the table is large make the extents large (20 M),
if the tables are small make the extents small (10 K).
when you built the tables make your initial and next extent size 
the same extent size as the LTM and or a multiple of the LTM extent
size. The waste will be eliminated if the table is active and the WHM
is moved downward. 
 If you use the autoallocate option the LMT extents will grow in size
as the need for space increases.
 For an explaination see:
http://www.oracle.com/oramag/oracle/00-nov/o60o8i.html
I have migrated a 15 tablespace , 150 table ,  72 GIG database 
with the data critical by date in each table and there was a lot of 
wasted space to LMT with 148 tablespaces  partitioned by date
range for the tables and the waste (free space) is minimul and the 
speed of the applications has increased. A BI plus will be
the database management options I will have when the damagements
decides on the data retention policy.
ROR mª¿ªm

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/26/01 11:47AM 
Raghu, 

There are differing opinions regarding multiple extents.  I subscribe to the
belief that multiple extents are not a bad thing.  The latency between the
extent reads is not a factor until the number of extents reaches ~4000.  I
remember reading a white paper on this topic, however I can't tell you
exactly where it is off the top of my head.  

If I was the dba for this database, I would be more concerned with
fragmentation and size of extents than the number of extents.  If you
understand your data thoroughly, have fairly accurate estimates for growth
and understand the application it is supporting, you can choose your extent
sizes properly and won't have the problem of 4000+ extents.  Uniform extent
sizes are optimal to avoid fragmentation.

My choice to avoid fragmentation is the method in the white paper entitled
'How to Stop Defragmenting and Start Living'.  I don't know about LMT's,
haven't read up on them, but just from the discussions I've seen on the list
about them, it looks like may be an implementation of this idea. 

Here's another way to look at it:  If you think multiple extents are bad,
are you going to create a tablespace with a 6gb datafile for your 6gb
1-extent index and hope it doesn't grow?   With larger databases this idea
breaks down very quickly. 

HTH, and list, correct me if I am wrong about LMT's.  I can always blame it
on the pain killers.

Lisa Koivu
Ft. Lauderdale, FL, USA

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 Subject:  effect of Initial and Next exents...
 
 
 
 
 Hi Friends
 
 I obsered in my big database Tables and Indexes set different Initial and 
 next extents..So How it will effect on performance?? Suppose one my big 
 table has initial 72Mb and next 245Mb..All big indexes(6Gb) was set low 
 Initial and next around 245Mb..Any ideas about the performance and 
 rectification??...
 
 TIA
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RE: Regression Testing at Oracle???

2001-07-26 Thread Orr, Steve

This seems to be standard practice any more... SIGH! But Oracle must be one
of the worst offenders.

I once was looking to implement Oracle Financials as a paying beta
customer (Shouldn't this be a contradiction in terms?). Oracle was the
alpha and Sequent Computer in Oregon was the original beta (Oracle and
Sequent had a pretty tight relationship back then). The Sequent
implementation was on their own servers running Dynix, a Unix derivative.
Our implementation was to be a port to VAX/VMS. What a mess! Bug city and
Oracle still wanted to charge us big bucks for beta software!! Oracle
eventually dropped the VMS port and I believe the first commercial version
of the Oracle Apps did not ship for another 2-3 years. I wonder, how many
companies paid for Oracle's development costs?

Steve Orr


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regression testing?, heck we are the alpha/beta/regression testers :)

joe


 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/26/01 10:35AM 
This makes me wonder: what kind of regression testing is implemented by
oracle?
Trial and error? It makes me wonder, oh it makes me wander (Stairway to
Heaven)

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 Subject: FYI: new alert regarding 8.1.7.2 patchset
 
 
 Note: 153172.1 ALERT: Do NOT Install 8.1.7.2.0 Patch
 Set on top of 8.1.7.1
 
 
 8.1.7.2.0 Patch Set Does Not Install Correctly Over
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   Versions Affected 
   ~ 
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   Platforms Affected 
   ~~ 
 This problem affects the following platforms only:
   HPUX (Oracle 32 bit release)
   HPUX (Oracle 64 bit release)
   Compaq Tru64
   Intel Solaris
 
 This problem does NOT affect the following
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   Sun Sparc Solaris (Oracle 32 bit release)
 
 8.1.7.2 has not been released on any other
 platform yet.
   Other platforms will have this problem
 corrected prior
   to their 8.1.7.2 Patch Set being released.
 
 
   Description 
   ~~~ 
 If the 8.1.7.2.0 Patch Set is installed on top of
 either 8.1.7.1 or
 8.1.7.1B then the patch set does not install
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 are reported during the installation but the
 Oracle version banner still
 shows the version to be 8.1.7.1.

 
   Likelihood of Occurrence 
    
 You will encounter this problem if you install the
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 on top of either 8.1.7.1 or 8.1.7.1B on any of the
 platforms listed above.
 
 You are STRONGLY advised NOT to install 8.1.7.2.0
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   Possible Symptoms 
   ~ 
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   a. The Oracle version banner still shows the
 RDBMS release to be
  8.1.7.1
   b. SELECT * FROM V$VERSION shows the release
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   c. Bugs fixed in 8.1.7.2 may still be
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   Workaround 
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RE: how do i explain this ?

2001-07-26 Thread Khedr, Waleed

Did you try cursor_sharing=force?

Regards,

Waleed

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list, 
this application heavyly make use of literals , NO BIND VARIABLES
and was running without any lib cache latch or shared pool latch problems on
7.3.2

We ported the DB to 8.1.5 and v$session_wait is full of latch free event
!!
all the latch waits are on lib cache and shapred pool (as expected from any
app NOT using bind vars) 
and the app is running terribly  slow !!

my question is... how 7.3.2 was able to handle this ?? how i explain this to
my management ?
i was able to convince then on porting to 8i to get better perfornace !! 

note: i cannot change the app. all changes must be from the back end.

TIA

Rahul

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NULL Foreign Key Value

2001-07-26 Thread George Hofilena

Can somebody explain why Oracle would allow a foreign key to be null and
still enforce the referential integrity constraint.

Thanks,

George Hofilena
DBA

 

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Dedicated / Multi Threaded oracle server.

2001-07-26 Thread Kumar, Dharminder

Can someone tell me about the difference between Dedicated and Multi
Threaded Oracle Server. 
Let me assume one server is installed as dedicated, can we change to MTS
mode and vice versa and how?
Thanks.


Dharminder Kumar




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RE: how do i explain this ?

2001-07-26 Thread Khedr, Waleed

This is true. Check Note:1020706.102 on the Metalink.

Regards,

Waleed

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Did you try making time_statistics=FALSE cause this is a bug in 8.1.5 which 
causes lots of latch free waits if it is set as TRUE


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Subject: how do i explain this ?
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 01:37:18 -0800

list,
this application heavyly make use of literals , NO BIND VARIABLES
and was running without any lib cache latch or shared pool latch problems 
on
7.3.2

We ported the DB to 8.1.5 and v$session_wait is full of latch free event
!!
all the latch waits are on lib cache and shapred pool (as expected from any
app NOT using bind vars)
and the app is running terribly  slow !!

my question is... how 7.3.2 was able to handle this ?? how i explain this 
to
my management ?
i was able to convince then on porting to 8i to get better perfornace !!

note: i cannot change the app. all changes must be from the back end.

TIA

Rahul

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Re: ot: RE: Data load options vicodin

2001-07-26 Thread Rachel Carmichael

a HIGHLY addictive pain-reliever, I believe that more than 5 days on it is 
enough to addict someone.

I was given a prescription for this after knee surgery. I very reluctantly 
took half of one (I had read about how addictive it was)
the first night after my surgery when I was going out of my head with pain.  
When half did not completely relieve the pain, I took the other half. Good 
thing I was in bed when I did that. I went out so fast I would have hit the 
floor if I had been standing up.

Never took another one


From: Koivu, Lisa [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: ot:  RE: Data load options vicodin
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 07:47:05 -0800

A pain reliever (narcotic) that makes you really woozy sleepy and stupid.
Lucky I'm not actually supporting a database.   I'm off the painkillers
today, yesterday was bad . . .



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  Sent:   Wednesday, July 25, 2001 10:57 AM
  To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
  Subject:RE: Data load options
 
  Go on  then Lisa, I rise to the challenge
 
  For us UK based listers what is Vicodin?
 
  John
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Koivu, Lisa [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
  Sent: 25 July 01 15:26
  To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
  Subject: RE: Data load options
 
 
 
  Hi Sean,
 
  Others have given you different options.  Here's some
  considerations:
 
  1.  SQL Script.
 
  *   Can be SLOW
  *   May require intermittent commits in your script
  *   Manual and error prone
  *   Must go through SQL engine
 
 
  2.  SQL Loader
 
  *   Can be very fast (direct - bypassing SQL engine).
  *   Direct path load will invalidate indexes.
  *   You can keep track of rejected records easily (.bad file)
  *   Dependent upon your file format being EXACT, no errors.
 
 
  3.  Import
 
  *   Requires minimal manual fiddling
  *   Can be very slow - I once imported 150GB and it took ~3 days
  *   Does not seamlessly handle all object types (INtermedia (domain)
  indexes is one example)
  *   Restarting an import will take a lot longer.  If your import fails,
  be sure and truncate/drop all tables before starting again.
  *   Have the option of not including indexes (INDEXES=N)
  *   Can also reset your storage parms prior to import (export with
  data=n, edit file [SSSHHH] and enter new storage parms / import, export
  with data=y, import data with IGNORE=Y)
 
 
  I'm sure others will have additional considerations to share.  My choice
  has always been exp/imp.
 
  Lisa Koivu
  The Vicodin-enhanced DBA
  Ft. Lauderdale, FL, USA
 
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  Subject:Data load options
 
  I'm trying to compile a list of options for loading data into an
  Oracle
  database on NT platform.  What I've come up with so far is:
  [1] SQL script that performs inserts, updates.
  [2] SQL Loader utility
  [3] Import utility
 
  Are there others?
  Anyone care to share experience based opinions on pros and cons of
  the
  methods?
 
 
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moving tables to a different tablespace

2001-07-26 Thread Rusnak, George A.

Hi Group,
Please explain what I am doing wrong.
1)  exp outln/outln@webprod mailto:outln/outln@webprod  file=exp_file
tables = 'OL$' 'OL$HINTS'
2)  Dropped the tables: 'OL$' and 'OL$HINTS' on webprod
3)  Created tablespace outln_ts on webprod
4)  Altered user outln default tablespace outln_ts
5)  imp outln/outln@webprod mailto:outln/outln@webprod  file=exp_file
tables = 'OL$' 'OL$HINTS'
6)  SQL select table_name, tablespace_name
   from dba_tables 
   where owner = 'OUTLN';

  TABLE_NAME TABLESPACE_NAME
--
--
 OL$SYSTEM
 OL$HINTS   SYSTEM
 XX
OUTLN_TS

WHY are the tables being re-imported back into SYSTEM tablespace 

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RE: Oracle pricing

2001-07-26 Thread Van M. Etheridge
Title: Oracle pricing



Yes I 
have. On the last set of quotes I got from Orance the price ranged from $175,000 
to $70,000 for the same set of products. It just depended onwho I spoke 
with. I also think timing has something to do with it. Salesmen meeting quotas 
and the company reporting profit/loss.

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pricing

  Has anyone experienced Oracle sales people 
  gouging each other? Seems like they are getting pretty cut throat. 
  I got one quote for $400,000, and a second quote for less than 25% of that, 
  from two different people. WOW. They are beginning to 
  sound like the company I work for - different story from different 
  people.
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Re:Oracle pricing

2001-07-26 Thread dgoulet

Lisa,

I've not experienced that particular behavior from the Oracle sales droids. 
But, we did have ours in yesterday (new droids wanting to put faces to names)
and since Oracle's revenues are down they suggested that they might be coming
around to perform an audit!  Now that I think is a heavy handed way of pumping
up the revenue stream.  Guess I'd better learn DB2!!

Dick Goulet

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Has anyone experienced Oracle sales people gouging each other?  Seems like
they are getting pretty cut throat.  I got one quote for $400,000, and a
second quote for less than 25% of that, from two different people.  WOW.
They are beginning to sound like the company I work for - different story
from different people.

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OTRE: Regression Testing at Oracle???

2001-07-26 Thread Mohan, Ross

Supports my personal theory (no peer-reviewed work, yet, sorry Eric! :) that
large corporations routinely get away
with lots of things that you and I 
would get killed, sued, beat up, and/or
besmirched for. 

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This seems to be standard practice any more... SIGH! But Oracle must be one
of the worst offenders.

I once was looking to implement Oracle Financials as a paying beta
customer (Shouldn't this be a contradiction in terms?). Oracle was the
alpha and Sequent Computer in Oregon was the original beta (Oracle and
Sequent had a pretty tight relationship back then). The Sequent
implementation was on their own servers running Dynix, a Unix derivative.
Our implementation was to be a port to VAX/VMS. What a mess! Bug city and
Oracle still wanted to charge us big bucks for beta software!! Oracle
eventually dropped the VMS port and I believe the first commercial version
of the Oracle Apps did not ship for another 2-3 years. I wonder, how many
companies paid for Oracle's development costs?

Steve Orr


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regression testing?, heck we are the alpha/beta/regression testers :)

joe


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This makes me wonder: what kind of regression testing is implemented by
oracle?
Trial and error? It makes me wonder, oh it makes me wander (Stairway to
Heaven)

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 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
 Subject: FYI: new alert regarding 8.1.7.2 patchset
 
 
 Note: 153172.1 ALERT: Do NOT Install 8.1.7.2.0 Patch
 Set on top of 8.1.7.1
 
 
 8.1.7.2.0 Patch Set Does Not Install Correctly Over
 8.1.7.1/8.1.7.1B
  
 
 
 This alert will be updated to indicate the current
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   Versions Affected 
   ~ 
 This problem affects the installation of the
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   Platforms Affected 
   ~~ 
 This problem affects the following platforms only:
   HPUX (Oracle 32 bit release)
   HPUX (Oracle 64 bit release)
   Compaq Tru64
   Intel Solaris
 
 This problem does NOT affect the following
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   Sun Sparc Solaris (Oracle 32 bit release)
 
 8.1.7.2 has not been released on any other
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   Other platforms will have this problem
 corrected prior
   to their 8.1.7.2 Patch Set being released.
 
 
   Description 
   ~~~ 
 If the 8.1.7.2.0 Patch Set is installed on top of
 either 8.1.7.1 or
 8.1.7.1B then the patch set does not install
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 are reported during the installation but the
 Oracle version banner still
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   Likelihood of Occurrence 
    
 You will encounter this problem if you install the
 8.1.7.2.0 patch set
 on top of either 8.1.7.1 or 8.1.7.1B on any of the
 platforms listed above.
 
 You are STRONGLY advised NOT to install 8.1.7.2.0
 on top of 8.1.7.1
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   Possible Symptoms 
   ~ 
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   a. The Oracle version banner still shows the
 RDBMS release to be
  8.1.7.1
   b. SELECT * FROM V$VERSION shows the release
 to be 8.1.7.1
   c. Bugs fixed in 8.1.7.2 may still be
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RE: Dangerous AIX Bug!

2001-07-26 Thread John . Dailey



Ross, we are also running AIX 4.3.3 with a mix of 8.0.5.2.1 and 8.1.7
databases, headed to all 8.1.7.   We are mostly running S80s here.
Just shoot me a note and we'll talk.


John D.






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RE: moving tables to a different tablespace

2001-07-26 Thread Kevin Kostyszyn

Is it possible that the original user that the export was taken from was in
the system tablespace?  Try doing a FROMUSER/TOUSER
kk

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Hi Group,
Please explain what I am doing wrong.
1)  exp outln/outln@webprod mailto:outln/outln@webprod  file=exp_file
tables = 'OL$' 'OL$HINTS'
2)  Dropped the tables: 'OL$' and 'OL$HINTS' on webprod
3)  Created tablespace outln_ts on webprod
4)  Altered user outln default tablespace outln_ts
5)  imp outln/outln@webprod mailto:outln/outln@webprod  file=exp_file
tables = 'OL$' 'OL$HINTS'
6)  SQL select table_name, tablespace_name
   from dba_tables
   where owner = 'OUTLN';

  TABLE_NAME TABLESPACE_NAME
--
--
 OL$SYSTEM
 OL$HINTS   SYSTEM
 XX
OUTLN_TS

WHY are the tables being re-imported back into SYSTEM tablespace 

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TIA

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RE: RE: Data load options

2001-07-26 Thread Rachel Carmichael

Okay Lisa,

WHY were you on painkillers?

Rachel


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Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 07:47:06 -0800

Oh yes.  You are right.  It loads full blocks above the HWM.  Forgot to
mention that... thanks for pointing out that VERY important bit of info.
Must be the narcotics.

Lisa

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  Lisa,
 
  SQL*Loader in direct path can cause you storage problems since it
  always
  appends to the table(s) ignoring blocks on the free block list.  I found
  that
  out after a developer was using it for our data warehouse.  At the end 
of
  a year
  he had burned almost 100GB of disk  it kept increasing even though he 
was
  trying to keep only a rolling 180 window.  On a hunch we exported the
  data,
  truncated the table  imported the data back in.  The amount of 
tablespace
  being
  used dropped 50%.
 
  Dick Goulet
 
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  Author: Koivu; Lisa [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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  Hi Sean,
 
  Others have given you different options.  Here's some considerations:
 
  1.  SQL Script.
  *   Can be SLOW
  *   May require intermittent commits in your script
  *   Manual and error prone
  *   Must go through SQL engine
 
  2.  SQL Loader
  *   Can be very fast (direct - bypassing SQL engine).
  *   Direct path load will invalidate indexes.
  *   You can keep track of rejected records easily (.bad file)
  *   Dependent upon your file format being EXACT, no errors.
 
  3.  Import
  *   Requires minimal manual fiddling
  *   Can be very slow - I once imported 150GB and it took ~3 days
  *   Does not seamlessly handle all object types (INtermedia (domain)
  indexes is one example)
  *   Restarting an import will take a lot longer.  If your import
  fails,
  be sure and truncate/drop all tables before starting again.
  *   Have the option of not including indexes (INDEXES=N)
  *   Can also reset your storage parms prior to import (export with
  data=n, edit file [SSSHHH] and enter new storage parms / import, export
  with
  data=y, import data with IGNORE=Y)
 
  I'm sure others will have additional considerations to share.  My choice
  has
  always been exp/imp.
 
  Lisa Koivu
  The Vicodin-enhanced DBA
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   I'm trying to compile a list of options for loading data into an 
Oracle
   database on NT platform.  What I've come up with so far is:
   [1] SQL script that performs inserts, updates.
   [2] SQL Loader utility
   [3] Import utility
  
   Are there others?
   Anyone care to share experience based opinions on pros and cons of the
   methods?
  
  
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need procedure to extract DDL for table

2001-07-26 Thread Hillman, Alex

Does anybody have stored procedure or PL/SQL script to extract DDL for  the
table?

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Re: Securing passwords in scripts

2001-07-26 Thread Jared . Still



Interesting topic.

Would anyone be interested in a password server?

Not foolproof, but considerably more secure than putting
passwords in a script, and infinitely more flexible.

Jared



   
 
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I have some scripts, O.S. command and SQL, which I use to perform COLD
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way
to avoid same allowing for the fact the scripts should require no user
input
to execute.


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