Re: Fwd: RE: RAID or NOT to RAID?

2001-08-09 Thread Paul Drake

Hi all.
I've been disconnected for awhile - found myself out in Nebraska.
Installing 81715/Win2000 on a new Dell PowerEdge 2500.
Only had 6 drives on 1 IO channel configured as 3 containers - RAID 1.
The front grille reminds me of an electric shaver.
It was the kinda trip that ended with me pulling a hamstring while
unplugging a power cord for my notebook. Gotta stay hydrated and get
that daily banana for potassium.


repeat after me ...

RAID 10 != RAID 0+1
RAID 0+1 != RAID 10

Even with only 4 drives, when they might seem the same, 
RAID 0+1 is stripe first, then mirror.
RAID 10 is mirror first, then stripe.
As someone once said, the best way to tell how its configured, is to
pull a drive out of a hot swap bay, put it back in and see how many
drives re-silver. 
A corollary would be - pull one drive - and then pull another
non-adjacent drive (e.g. in the other cage). If its RAID 01 - you're
completely hosed.
So much for non-destructive testing. :)

oh yeah, and it depends.

If you only need 8KB or 64 KB blocks at one time, go for neither, and
just separate files onto different RAID 1 volumes of 2 disks each. If
you're daring, don't even bother to use hardware RAID for the online
redo logs - and just duplex them with multiple log members of a redo log
group.

After you locate what your point of contention is - either move the hot
spots out to dedicated drives, or add more drives to the volume that has
the most I/O. 

If you need massive amounts of data from full table scans - go for
deeper stripes.
Even numbers of drives in a volume are preferable for RAID 0 stripes,
odd for RAID 3,5.
This makes it easy to calculate the stripe depths as a multple of the
db_block_size and OS io_size in your head.

Gaja wrote a great section on this topic in the Performance Tuning 101
Book.

And you can fix the RAID configuration by simply deleting the existing
RAID config - and starting from scratch. I had a site where a Dell Tech
took a perfectly good 4 x RAID 1 (8 drives) config and turn it into a
single RAID 0+1 config. Ctrl-A at boot gets you into where you can
wipe it clean and start from scratch - assuming that you can wipe the
slate clean.

And I'll beat Joe T to the punch - since you're going to have to
re-install the OS - Dell boxes run Linux pretty well. 
Just that Dell still sucks badly for calling RedHat Linux  Linux 7 on
their store website.
That still pisses me off. 

Linux != RedHat.

Paul


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 In a previous job I had to deal with this issue.  WinNT 4.0 on a dual
 processor Dell box with 24G of RAID.  I had specified RAID 0 + 1 but
 someone knew better and got it with RAID 5 (5 is obviously better than
 0).  The SA wouldn't or couldn't reconfigure and the job needed to get
 done.
 
 It was for a decision support system (basically read-only) and it may be
 that sort of a system is less impacted.  I abandoned any thought of OFA.
 Just stick all the datafiles out on one directory branch (makes cold
 backups easier) and let the RAID sort out the contention.
 
 I didn't like it because I was basically trusting to someone else's
 decisions but performance was adequate and the task was successful.  I'm
 not sure that this would be true with an OLTP system.
 
 I've seen the notation RAID 10 (which is RAID 0 + 1).  Perhaps we should
 standardize on that.  Obviously RAID 10 has to be twice as good as RAID 5.
 Right?
 
 
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 I hope I'm not opening a can of worms, but I'd like your feedback on the
 issue of using RAID 5 on NT 4.0 with Oracle 8.0.5.
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Re: closing DB on NT with a scheduled BATCH FILE

2001-08-09 Thread Bunyamin K. Karadeniz



Hi hoska ,
I am sorry to readyour reply.
Firstly Not a silly question.
Yes I am sure batch file runs because I can run it 
directly correctly. Yes I create log file.
I investigate task manager if svrmgrl runs and look 
at v$session and it connects .
So not a silly question as you see. Only 
thing is you do not understand the problem perhaps.



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  silly question.
  Are 
  you sure your batch file runs? Do you create logs? If so, did you 
  check if log was created?
  How 
  do you know it connects.
  I 
  have similar batch files. They run either way with no 
  problems.
  
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Dear Gurus , I have a question , In fact I 
wonder if it is a bug of NT .

I want to close and reopen database with a .BAT 
file .
When I executethe .bat file 
directly it executes correctly . But When I execute it with a schedule with 
AT command then it connects but does not close database. 

How can I handle That. ?
What do you do when you want to schedule 
startups and shutdowns of database on NT?

Thank you




Re: Unix Client Install

2001-08-09 Thread nlzanen1


Hi Ed,


We have in the past taken the entire oracle_home tree and it worked (same
os version patch level) I do not remember the UNIX boys doing any other
magic.

Jack


   
  
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Given virtually identical Unix machines (i.e.,
same kernel and patch sets,) is there any reason NOT
to take the cowards way out and use a tar file of
$ORACLE_HOME from the first client only install
(from CD with X-win client) to install to another
machine? My original install CD has 'walked'; I
could download and cpio ... or wait 3 days for
support to get me new CD's. Why shouldn't I use
the working installation as a base? Are there any
machine specific actions taken by the installer
besides obvious tnsnames if you use the installation
gui) for client installations ?

TIA
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Re: Unix Client Install

2001-08-09 Thread nlzanen1


Hi Charlie,


Isn't that with 8i and up only? Upgrades should be fine anyway as you would
normally install in different home anyway. If I remember correctly only
patches go wrong.


Jack


   
  
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It will allow you to run Oracle, but you won't be able
to upgrade it later. There some orainventory directory
where OUI keeps track of what it has installed on this
system. This folder is NOT stored in or under ORACLE_HOME

HTH  YYMV!

Ed Maurer wrote:

 Given virtually identical Unix machines (i.e.,
 same kernel and patch sets,) is there any reason NOT
 to take the cowards way out and use a tar file of
 $ORACLE_HOME from the first client only install
 (from CD with X-win client) to install to another
 machine? My original install CD has 'walked'; I
 could download and cpio ... or wait 3 days for
 support to get me new CD's. Why shouldn't I use
 the working installation as a base? Are there any
 machine specific actions taken by the installer
 besides obvious tnsnames if you use the installation
 gui) for client installations ?

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RE: PERL PROGRAMMING

2001-08-09 Thread Rao, UmaSankara S (CAP)

Hi Naren,

This URL could be of some help to you.

http://www.cs.cmu.edu/htbin/perl-man

Regds,
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Hi gurus,

We have Lot of PERL scripts. (Previous DBA). 
I am newby to perl . please suggest sites , to start.

TIA
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RE: O/S copies of datafiles

2001-08-09 Thread Rao, UmaSankara S (CAP)

Hi,

What is the size of the database?If it is less than 4 or 5 GB better go for
exp/imp.

There are various factors, first of all can u afford to shutdown the prod
instance if so how long?

yes it is possible to copy the datafiles at OS level and up the DB on test
machine.

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Hi,

This might be a stupid question, but I'll give it a go anyway.

I have two Unix boxes - a production and a newly created test box. The
production box has 8.0.5 and the test has 8.0.6 installed.

Is it possible to stop the database, take a backup of all the datafiles
(through the operating system) and then move them to the test server (in the
same directory structure they were in in the production box). Would the
database open successfully?

Thanks in advance for all your help.

Regards,

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RE: Unix Client Install

2001-08-09 Thread Lord, David - CS

But it is stored, by default, under the oracle account's home directory
(together with the OUI and jre).  I haven't tried it, but maybe you could
copy those as well?  I would guess that the paths to all of these bits would
have to be the same on both machines.

YMMV
David Lord

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It will allow you to run Oracle, but you won't be able
to upgrade it later. There some orainventory directory
where OUI keeps track of what it has installed on this
system. This folder is NOT stored in or under ORACLE_HOME

HTH  YYMV!

Ed Maurer wrote:

 Given virtually identical Unix machines (i.e.,
 same kernel and patch sets,) is there any reason NOT
 to take the cowards way out and use a tar file of
 $ORACLE_HOME from the first client only install
 (from CD with X-win client) to install to another
 machine? My original install CD has 'walked'; I
 could download and cpio ... or wait 3 days for
 support to get me new CD's. Why shouldn't I use
 the working installation as a base? Are there any
 machine specific actions taken by the installer
 besides obvious tnsnames if you use the installation
 gui) for client installations ?

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 Ed Maurer
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RE: PERL PROGRAMMING

2001-08-09 Thread Rajesh Dayal

Hoe about www.perl.com

http://www.perl.com/pub/q/documentation

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We have Lot of PERL scripts. (Previous DBA). 
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data migration from access to oracle.

2001-08-09 Thread Prashant S. Bhangale


Hi Guru's,
Can anybody tell me how to convert access data to oracle using ODBC (DSN).
I am able to do this but after migration I got all table  cloumn names in
small case. How to get data converted in Capital.
Thanks,

Prashant S. Bhangale
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Rolta India Ltd.

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table lock problem?

2001-08-09 Thread Guy Hammond

Hi all,

I had a developer come to me yesterday and tell me his session had hung,
and sure enough it had, he was executing an INSERT into a table with 5
columns. Oracle was just sitting there, but all the other sessions
logged into the database were fine. I got the SQL out of the SQL Area
and ran it in one of my own SQL*Plus windows, and sure enough it got
stuck for me too. The statement was part of a transaction that inserted
and updated about 8 tables, and this happens on the 3000th or so
transaction in that session. We killed that session and restarted the
application, and it was fine until it happened again. 

How would I go about diagnosing something like this? A couple of the
columns were from sequences, and I verified that these were OK. The
others were just text inserted into VARCHAR2s.

Thanks,

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(Fwd) trojan cleaner utilities [windows client]

2001-08-09 Thread Eric D. Pierce


--- Forwarded message follows ---
...

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| If I were only going to have one Anti-Trojan then it would be
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| 
| TFS-3 and The Cleaner are equally effective. The Cleaner is faster
| and simpler to use than its competitors. TDS-3 is clunky but
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| good idea to do a 30-day free trial and see which one you like
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Re: closing DB on NT with a scheduled BATCH FILE

2001-08-09 Thread rpapnoi

1. Create Batch file startdb.bat

containts of startdb.bat
---
SVRMGRL @c:\yourdirectory\startup.sql

2. create startup.sql

containts of startup.sql

connect internal/***;
startup exclusive open;

3. Create Batch file stopdb.bat

containts of stopdb.bat
---
SVRMGRL @c:\yourdirectory\stop.sql

4. create stop.sql

containts of stop.sql

connect internal/***;
shutdown immediate;

now schedule startdb.bat  stopdb.bat into NT scheduler. If you want to do it 
thru a single bat file than call the 2nd bat from 1st.

I hope this clarifies your problem.

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Hi  Ihoska ,
I am sorry to read your reply.
Firstly Not a silly question.
Yes I am sure batch file runs because I can run it directly correctly. Yes I 
create log file.
I investigate task manager if svrmgrl runs and look at v$session and it 
connects .
 So not a silly question as you see. Only thing is you do not understand the 
problem perhaps.


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  silly question.
  Are you sure your batch file runs?  Do you create logs?  If so, did you 
check if log was created?
  How do you know it connects.
  I have similar batch files.  They run either way with no problems.
-Original Message-
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Subject: closing DB on NT with a scheduled BATCH FILE


Dear Gurus , I have a question , In fact I wonder if it is a bug of NT .

I want to close and reopen database with a .BAT file .
 When I execute the .bat file directly it executes correctly . But When I 
execute it with a schedule with AT command then it connects but does not 
close database. 

How can I handle That. ?
What do you do when you want to schedule startups and shutdowns of 
database on NT?

Thank you




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OT (Fwd) Re: IE v5.5 cleaner???

2001-08-09 Thread Eric D. Pierce

(follow up to the windows security  virus thread)
(from a former intel/microsoft employee I know)

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RE: SGA info.

2001-08-09 Thread Seema Singh

Hermanto
which version of oracle u r running?Just see following output
SVRMGR connect internal;
Connected.
SVRMGR select sum(value) from v$sga;
SUM(VALUE)
--
1033101472
1 row selected.
SVRMGR select sum(bytes) from v$sgastat;
SUM(BYTES)
--
1033044248
1 row selected.
SVRMGR show sga
Total System Global Area   1033101472 bytes
Fixed Size  73888 bytes
Variable Size   537395200 bytes
Database Buffers49152 bytes
Redo Buffers  4112384 bytes
If u see all three output you can see the diffrence.The correct view to 
check size of sga is v$sga.
Hope this will help u.
Thanks
-Seema



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Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 20:51:10 -0800

Raja,
if i do what you do..the value is same.
i am not sure if you said the value between v$sgastat and v$sga is
different.

SVRMGR select sum(value) from v$sga;
SUM(VALUE)
--
   64046072
1 row selected.
SVRMGR select sum(bytes) from v$sgastat;
SUM(BYTES)
--
   64046072
1 row selected.
SVRMGR

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Hello gurus,

I am not able to understand 1 thing:-

1. If I do :-

select sum(bytes) from v$sgastat;
it gives me the SGA as :- 35041712

2. But if I do :-

select sum(value) from v$sga I get:-  35059816

There is a difference of 18104 between 2 figures.

Which 1 should I trust? which gives me the correct value of SGA?

thanks

rdgs,

raja


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Re: index status

2001-08-09 Thread murosa

In what view do you see that information?.

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 What does index status = '
 I have a bunch of Indexes that have a index_status of 
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RE: Redo Generation - Excessive ?

2001-08-09 Thread VIVEK_SHARMA


NOTE - SQL Run AFTER Completion of Batch Processing Run BUT Before the
Bouncing of Database :-

SQL column value format 999,999,990
SQL select a.name,b.value
  2  from v$statname a,v$sysstat b
  3  where a.statistic# = b.statistic#
  4  and a.name like '%redo%'
  5  /

NAME
VALUE


redo synch writes
88,776
redo synch time
1,601,682
redo entries
3,914,890
redo size

redo buffer allocation retries
2,038
redo wastage
15,313,112
redo writer latching time
13
redo writes
61,248
redo blocks written
2,972,994
redo write time
811,873
redo log space requests
100
redo log space wait time
5,257
redo log switch interrupts
0
redo ordering marks
218

14 rows selected.

Qs. Are Any of the Above Values ABNORMAL ?
What may be Done , if any to address the Same ?


 -Original Message-
 From: VIVEK_SHARMA 
 Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 2:38 PM
 To:   '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
 Cc:   '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
 Subject:  RE: Redo Generation - Excessive ?
 
 Replies BELOW :-
 
   -Original Message-
   From:   Jared Still [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
   Sent:   Saturday, August 04, 2001 12:05 PM
   To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
   Subject:Re: Redo Generation - Excessive ?
 
 
   Vivek,
 
   You left a few things out.
 
   What's 'intensive'?
 
Ans  Bank Interest Calc. Job doing DMLs to Most A/cs

   As in how many rows are affected?
 
Ans  1784813 rows may be Affected ( By DMLs ) 

   How big are the transactions?
 
Ans  Average Row Size for Most Tables = 200 Bytes 

   Updates and deletes?
 
Ans  Primarily UPDATES , Inserts 
   Deletes Only to 1 Table having 21953 Records 
 
   11 gig doesn't sound like all that much to me
   if it's you're doing massive dml.
 
   I had 1 gig logs on a similar hardware setup on a DW
   that would easily generate 18 gig in 6 hours.
 
Ans  Application if a BANKING Product though this
particular Operation is Batch Processing (Interest Calculation )
Intensive 

   ( Yes, archiving was on.  Don't ask! )
 
   Qs. Can Number of Log switches in alert_SID.log be Taken as
 Equal to the Archived Redo that would be Generated with Archiving On ?
 
   Look BELOW for FUTHER Details 
 
   Jared
 
 
 16 Redo Log Switches Occured ( In alert_SID.log) from Sequence 30 to
 46 
 ( During Interest Run Batch Processing )
 
 - Considering ONLY Tables to which INSERT Operations Occur (Assuming
 they will generate the MAX. Redo OR IS THIS ASSUMPTION WRONG ? ) from
 the Above Set .
 
 (231*104989)+(95*104989)+(79*104989)+(209*21953)+(136*104989)+(98*2948
 9)+(144*21953)+(53*21953)+(180*21953)+(106*21953)+(92*104989)+(387*219
 53)= 93,035,246  Bytes 
 
 NOTE Thus There Seems to be a VAST Gap Between the Number of Log
 Switches = 16 Corresponding to (16 * 175M) = 2.8 GB  93MB of
 Calculated for Inserts Size 
 
 Type  Number of Bank A/cs :-
 
 Types   COUNT(*)
   --
 CAA   9780
 LAA  29489
 ODA899
 SBA  42868
 TDA  21953
 
 Total Number of A/cs = 104,989
 
 List of Tables on which DMLs Happen :-
 
 TABLE_NAME AVG_ROW_LEN
 -- ---
 Tables COMMON to ALL Types of A/cs ( CAA , LAA , ODA , SBA , TDA ) :-
 DAILY_TRAN_DETAIL_TABLE231
 DAILY_TRAN_HEADER_TABLE 95
 TEMP_DAILY_TRAN_TABLE   92
 ENTITY_INTEREST_TABLE  209
 EOD_ACCT_BAL_TABLE  79
 GENERAL_ACCT_MAST_TABLE387
 INTEREST_DETAILS_TABLE 136
 
 Only Updates Happen to these 2 Tables :-
 INTEREST_SUMMARY_MOD_TABLE  74
 INTEREST_SUMMARY_TABLE  85
 
 Tables Additionally Existing in LAA Type :-
 LA_ACCT_MAST_TABLE 194
 LA_DMD_ADJ_TABLE81
 LA_DMD_TABLE98
 
 Tables Additionaly Existing in TDA Type 
 TD_ACCT_MASTER_TABLE   180
 TD_DEFN_TABLE  106
 TAX_DED_AT_SOURCE_TABLE144
 TDS_INTERFACE_TABLE 53
 
 16 rows selected.
 
   On Friday 03 August 2001 14:28, VIVEK_SHARMA wrote:
While Running a Set of BATCH Processing JOBs , Archived Redo
 of 11 GB is
being Generated over a 6 Hours Run on a E6500 Server .
NOTE - The batch jobs are DML intensive in nature indeed .
   
Online Redo Logfile Size = 175 MB
LOG_CHECKPOINT_INTERVAL= 40
   
Qs Is there any way to know whether this Redo Generation is
 NORMAL or
ABNORMALLY High in some manner ?
   
Oracle 8.1.7 on Solaris 8
   
Prima facie it seems Exceedingly High
 
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RE: closing DB on NT with a scheduled BATCH FILE

2001-08-09 Thread lhoska

or use oradim...
oradimxx.exe -shutdown -sid sid -usrpwd password -shuttype inst
-shutmode i
oradimxx.exe -startup -sid sid -usrpwd password -starttype inst -pfile
path\initsid.ora

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1. Create Batch file startdb.bat

containts of startdb.bat
---
SVRMGRL @c:\yourdirectory\startup.sql

2. create startup.sql

containts of startup.sql

connect internal/***;
startup exclusive open;

3. Create Batch file stopdb.bat

containts of stopdb.bat
---
SVRMGRL @c:\yourdirectory\stop.sql

4. create stop.sql

containts of stop.sql

connect internal/***;
shutdown immediate;

now schedule startdb.bat  stopdb.bat into NT scheduler. If you want to do
it 
thru a single bat file than call the 2nd bat from 1st.

I hope this clarifies your problem.

Regards,
Ramesh D Papnoi
(BrainBench  Brainbuzz Certified Oracle 8/8i DBA  Developer)
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Hi  Ihoska ,
I am sorry to read your reply.
Firstly Not a silly question.
Yes I am sure batch file runs because I can run it directly correctly. Yes I

create log file.
I investigate task manager if svrmgrl runs and look at v$session and it 
connects .
 So not a silly question as you see. Only thing is you do not understand the

problem perhaps.


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  Subject: RE: closing DB on NT with a scheduled BATCH FILE


  silly question.
  Are you sure your batch file runs?  Do you create logs?  If so, did you 
check if log was created?
  How do you know it connects.
  I have similar batch files.  They run either way with no problems.
-Original Message-
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Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 9:15 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Subject: closing DB on NT with a scheduled BATCH FILE


Dear Gurus , I have a question , In fact I wonder if it is a bug of NT .

I want to close and reopen database with a .BAT file .
 When I execute the .bat file directly it executes correctly . But When
I 
execute it with a schedule with AT command then it connects but does not 
close database. 

How can I handle That. ?
What do you do when you want to schedule startups and shutdowns of 
database on NT?

Thank you




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RE: Unix Client Install - OraInventory

2001-08-09 Thread Ed Maurer


Actually, on my original install, it went one level up from 
ORACLE_HOME - e.g, ORACLE_HOME was /dsk001/app/oracle/product/8.1.7;
the OraInventory,oui,jre went into /dsk001/app/oracle/product -
one level up. 
Since that's where I tarred/untarred to on the new machine, I
should have the installer info - at least it appears there.
All seems to work fine. I'll keep an eye out when/if patching!

Much and Many thanks for all the responses, I'll sleep easier.

Ed Maurer. 

 -Original Message-
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 Subject: RE: Unix Client Install
 
 
 But it is stored, by default, under the oracle account's home 
 directory
 (together with the OUI and jre).  I haven't tried it, but 
 maybe you could
 copy those as well?  I would guess that the paths to all of 
 these bits would
 have to be the same on both machines.
 
 YMMV
 David Lord
 
 -Original Message-
 Sent: 09 August 2001 02:56
 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
 
 
 It will allow you to run Oracle, but you won't be able
 to upgrade it later. There some orainventory directory
 where OUI keeps track of what it has installed on this
 system. This folder is NOT stored in or under ORACLE_HOME
 
 HTH  YYMV!
 
 Ed Maurer wrote:
 
  Given virtually identical Unix machines (i.e.,
  same kernel and patch sets,) is there any reason NOT
  to take the cowards way out and use a tar file of
  $ORACLE_HOME from the first client only install
  (from CD with X-win client) to install to another
  machine? My original install CD has 'walked'; I
  could download and cpio ... or wait 3 days for
  support to get me new CD's. Why shouldn't I use
  the working installation as a base? Are there any
  machine specific actions taken by the installer
  besides obvious tnsnames if you use the installation
  gui) for client installations ?
 
  TIA
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Extent's datafile.

2001-08-09 Thread Raj Gopalan

DBAs

I manually allocated extents of a table to different datafiles. Which
performance views will give information relating extents and datafiles?

Cheers

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Recall: Extent's datafile.

2001-08-09 Thread Raj Gopalan

Raj Gopalan would like to recall the message, Extent's  datafile..
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V$LOGFILE

2001-08-09 Thread Veronica Levin

Hi listers,
Issuing a select * from v$logfile I found that the status of several of
redologs is STALE.
What does this mean? How can I solve it?
Thanks in advance!

Saludos, 
Veronica Levin Enriquez
Administrador AIX
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Copying table with LONG column

2001-08-09 Thread Schoen Volker

Does someone know how to copy a table with a long column? Export/Import
works, but I like to do it with SQL.

TIA

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RE: V$LOGFILE

2001-08-09 Thread Koivu, Lisa
Title: RE: V$LOGFILE





Hi Veronica, 


Did you recently create new redolog groups? This means the logs have not been used yet. Force a couple of log switches and you will see their status change. 

HTH
Lisa Koivu
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Hi listers,
Issuing a select * from v$logfile I found that the status of several of
redologs is STALE.
What does this mean? How can I solve it?
Thanks in advance!


Saludos, 
Veronica Levin Enriquez
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RE: data migration from access to oracle.

2001-08-09 Thread Post, Ethan

You really shouldn't have done that.  You will need to drop the tables and
ensure you enclose the table names is double quotes.

drop table Foo;

The best way to do this is create the tables manually in Oracle with the
correct Oracle data types.  A bit tedious but you will get the best results
this way.  If you have a lot of tables you could write some VBA to do the
conversion.  Then insert the data using Access insert querys to the attached
Oracle tables from the Access tables.  I suppose there are some wizards or
utilities that are suppose to do this type of stuff for you but I have not
used them. 

- Ethan 
- http://www.geocities.com/epost1

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   Can anybody tell me how to convert access data to 
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I am able to do this but after migration I got all table  
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small case. How to get data converted in Capital.
Thanks,

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OT: List slow today?

2001-08-09 Thread Stephen Andert



Other than during IOUG-A, I haven't seen this few messages. Is my 
mail server eating messages or is it just a slow day?

Stephen 


RE: List slow today?

2001-08-09 Thread Larry Elkins



Stephen,

I am seeing the same problem. I 
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Re: Fwd: RE: RAID or NOT to RAID?

2001-08-09 Thread Joe Testa

Paul, and that RH is not certified for 9i last i checked, :(
although that doesnt stop some of us :)

joe
Paul Drake wrote:
 
 Hi all.
 I've been disconnected for awhile - found myself out in Nebraska.
 Installing 81715/Win2000 on a new Dell PowerEdge 2500.
 Only had 6 drives on 1 IO channel configured as 3 containers - RAID 1.
 The front grille reminds me of an electric shaver.
 It was the kinda trip that ended with me pulling a hamstring while
 unplugging a power cord for my notebook. Gotta stay hydrated and get
 that daily banana for potassium.
 
 repeat after me ...
 
 RAID 10 != RAID 0+1
 RAID 0+1 != RAID 10
 
 Even with only 4 drives, when they might seem the same,
 RAID 0+1 is stripe first, then mirror.
 RAID 10 is mirror first, then stripe.
 As someone once said, the best way to tell how its configured, is to
 pull a drive out of a hot swap bay, put it back in and see how many
 drives re-silver.
 A corollary would be - pull one drive - and then pull another
 non-adjacent drive (e.g. in the other cage). If its RAID 01 - you're
 completely hosed.
 So much for non-destructive testing. :)
 
 oh yeah, and it depends.
 
 If you only need 8KB or 64 KB blocks at one time, go for neither, and
 just separate files onto different RAID 1 volumes of 2 disks each. If
 you're daring, don't even bother to use hardware RAID for the online
 redo logs - and just duplex them with multiple log members of a redo log
 group.
 
 After you locate what your point of contention is - either move the hot
 spots out to dedicated drives, or add more drives to the volume that has
 the most I/O.
 
 If you need massive amounts of data from full table scans - go for
 deeper stripes.
 Even numbers of drives in a volume are preferable for RAID 0 stripes,
 odd for RAID 3,5.
 This makes it easy to calculate the stripe depths as a multple of the
 db_block_size and OS io_size in your head.
 
 Gaja wrote a great section on this topic in the Performance Tuning 101
 Book.
 
 And you can fix the RAID configuration by simply deleting the existing
 RAID config - and starting from scratch. I had a site where a Dell Tech
 took a perfectly good 4 x RAID 1 (8 drives) config and turn it into a
 single RAID 0+1 config. Ctrl-A at boot gets you into where you can
 wipe it clean and start from scratch - assuming that you can wipe the
 slate clean.
 
 And I'll beat Joe T to the punch - since you're going to have to
 re-install the OS - Dell boxes run Linux pretty well.
 Just that Dell still sucks badly for calling RedHat Linux  Linux 7 on
 their store website.
 That still pisses me off.
 
 Linux != RedHat.
 
 Paul
 
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  In a previous job I had to deal with this issue.  WinNT 4.0 on a dual
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Re: Recall: Extent's datafile.

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SOLVED: Copying table with LONG column (using copy getting ORA-01

2001-08-09 Thread Schoen Volker

Works for me:

set buffer 10

use the sqplus on dos..ie. sqlplus.exe

Thanks to Ashish

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-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: Schoen Volker 
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 9. August 2001 12:50
An: LazyDBA.com Discussion
Betreff: AW: Copying table with LONG column (using copy getting
ORA-01458)


Hi Ashish, hi list,

copy command doesn't work in my environment, get ORA-01458 error. I searched
metaling fór a workarround, but the suggested workarround doesn't do it.

(workarround)
1. To create the new table and not copying the data do:
COPY FROM user/pw@instance TO user/pw@instance CREATE FUHRPARK_KOPIE USING
SELECT * FROM FUHRPARK WHERE 1=2;

2. To insert the data to the new table do:
COPY FROM user/pw@instance TO user/pw@instance APPEND FUHRPARK_KOPIE USING
SELECT * FROM FUHRPARK;

getting error (in german):
Array-Fetch-/Bindungsgröße ist 15. (Arraygröße ist 15)
Nach Beendigung erfolgt Commit. (COPYCOMMIT ist 0)
Maximale LONG-Größe ist 80. (LONG ist 80)

ERROR:
ORA-01458: Ungültige Länge in variabler Zeichenfolge

My environment is:
Oracle 8.1.5 on Windows NT SP6
Client SQPLUS 8.1.7.0.0

Maybe someone knows another workarround or knows which oracle path to apply.

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-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
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Gesendet: Donnerstag, 9. August 2001 12:31
An: Schoen Volker; LazyDBA.com Discussion
Betreff: RE: Copying table with LONG column


Use the COPY command from SQL plus

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To: LazyDBA.com Discussion


Does someone know how to copy a table with a long column? Export/Import
works, but I like to do it with SQL.

TIA

Volker Schön
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RE: Copying table with LONG column

2001-08-09 Thread Koivu, Lisa
Title: RE: Copying table with LONG column





Use the copy command. That's one way. 


Lisa Koivu
Ft. Lauderdale, FL, USA


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Does someone know how to copy a table with a long column? Export/Import
works, but I like to do it with SQL.


TIA


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RE: Optimizer Mode......how to choose the right one?

2001-08-09 Thread Hsu, Anthony C., ,CPMS

Increase the sort_area_size parameter in the init.ora file
to have more memory to play with. It is much quickere as it uses
RAM, rather than a hard disk, but then again, your server might not
have enough RAM to spare.



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If the transaction having problem is a SELECT statement and does SORT, then
I think the sort_area_size is too small.   

Can you show us the SQL?




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Hi there,

Unfortunately you can't just throw things like FIRST_ROWS at a select
statement to make it run faster. The person who wrote the statement should
have taken into account such things as:

a) Size of tables, ordering, which is the driving table
b) Indexes, are the being used, running statements through explain plan will
show you where the bottlenecks are...failing that TKPROF will identify
potential problem areas with your database.
c) Size of queries, joins etc.

Too many developers do not write code to be efficient, as long as it returns
the correct values it doesn't matter whether it takes 2 minutes or  2
hours...

I've spent a number of hours/days/weeks/months tidying up poorly optimised
code, it's an absolute nightmare for the DBAs and it doesn't look good on
the developers.

Cheers,
Kev.
(a cheesed off developer...not a DBA!)


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Morning listers!

I am having performance problems with this database, transactions ar running
very slow and I am not sure if I have choose the right optimizer mode... 

AIX 4.2.1, Oracle 7.3.4, 30 GB Database, 1 GB Real Memory, 
500 MB SGA, 70 concurrent users, mostly OLTP transactions.

I have tunned init parameters the best I can we the resources I have:

db_files = 70
db_writers = 4
db_file_multiblock_read_count = 16
db_block_buffers = 57600
db_block_size = 8192
shared_pool_size = 157286400
processes = 200
dml_locks = 1500
log_buffer = 655360
sequence_cache_entries = 800
sequence_cache_hash_buckets = 89
log_checkpoint_interval = 8
optimizer_mode=CHOOSE
session_cached_cursors =  300
sort_area_size=1048576
hash_area_size=262144
hash_multiblock_io_count=4
hash_join_enabled=TRUE
always_anti_join=HASH
job_queue_processes=8

35 rollback segments, inital 1MB, next 1MB, optimal 30 MB
8 multiplexed redologs, 30 MB each

I tried FIRST_ROWS, analyzing the tables, but users claimed that performance
was getting worse, so I chaged it to Choose. Always analyzing the tables

but, everytime I analyze the tables, performance gets worse.
Is this a normal behavior?

Any advice will be welcome!

thanks is advance,

Saludos, 
Veronica Levin Enriquez
Administrador AIX
Compañía Cervecera de Nicaragua
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RE: Extent's datafile.

2001-08-09 Thread Miller, Jay

select de.segment_name,de.bytes,ddf.file_name
from dba_extents de, dba_data_files ddf
where de.file_id=ddf.file_id
and segment_name='MYTABLE'


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DBAs

I manually allocated extents of a table to different datafiles. Which
performance views will give information relating extents and datafiles?

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Re: OT:I was thrown out of the list

2001-08-09 Thread JOE TESTA



it was

cozur anoviceOracle Certifiable 
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please explain
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Re: OT:I was thrown out of the list

2001-08-09 Thread DBarbour


I got a an e-mail announcing I was now a member of the BOUNCED-L LIST.  I
sort of figured somebody was playing games (didn't like my
questions/answers/comments?) and resubscribed (you lucky folks).

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RE: O/S copies of datafiles

2001-08-09 Thread Smith, Ron L.

normal shutdown!

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Yes, what this is doing is the same as restoring from a cold backup. If
the machines are the same, you can just shutdown Oracle and copy data
files, control files, redo logs and the contents $ORACLE_HOME across to
an identical directory structure on a new machine, change any settings
like tnsnames.ora and listener.ora which might be machine specific, then
start the database on the new machine and you're all set. If the version
of Oracle is only a minor revision, then datafiles, control files et al
will be compatible, just move everything except the software. 

We use a similar technique with Sun Jumpstart to create new instances
for our developers. 

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Hi,

This might be a stupid question, but I'll give it a go anyway.

I have two Unix boxes - a production and a newly created test box. The
production box has 8.0.5 and the test has 8.0.6 installed.

Is it possible to stop the database, take a backup of all the datafiles
(through the operating system) and then move them to the test server (in
the
same directory structure they were in in the production box). Would the
database open successfully?

Thanks in advance for all your help.

Regards,

Sujatha
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Oracle 8.1.7 client install on Win2K.

2001-08-09 Thread Mark Leith

List,

I have just got my hands on a shiny new P4 1.3 gig box with Win2K pro. I
installed the Java 1.3.0_01 JRE, and tried to start up the 8.1.7 for NT
Oracle install to install the client software (this was downloaded from
technet BTW). The splash screen runs - but when going for the install (the
java one) nothing happens, I get an hourglass cursor for all of 3-4 seconds
then nothing..

There is nothing else installed on this box apart from Office 2000, as it
was totally empty apart from the OS when we got it.. Has anybody else had
these problems? I seem to remember somebody (I think it may have been
Kevin?) had a problem installing on a P4 box - was your problem similar to
this one?

All help is appreciated!

Regards

Mark

BTW - you may remember I had an OT problem a while back now - where I had a
brand new Geoforce 3 Gfx card, that wouldn't run. I slipped it in to this
new beast and you should see the thing run now!!

This PC now runs games in OpenGL and Direct3D modes with 1280*960 resolution
at roughly 65-70 frames per second!! With NO glitches!! Oh yeah I also have
one game installed on the system :)

Cheers

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RE: List slow today?

2001-08-09 Thread Kevin Kostyszyn



Yeah I noticed that too, I 
thought my mail server was dead or something!!
KK

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  Other than during IOUG-A, I haven't seen this few messages. Is my 
  mail server eating messages or is it just a slow day?
  
  Stephen 


Re: PERL PROGRAMMING

2001-08-09 Thread viraj

Naren,

The PERL cookbook is a good book to refer to.

raja
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 Hoe about www.perl.com
 
 http://www.perl.com/pub/q/documentation
 
 Rajesh
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 Hi gurus,
 
 We have Lot of PERL scripts. (Previous DBA). 
 I am newby to perl . please suggest sites , to start.
 
 TIA
 naren
 
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RE: table lock problem?

2001-08-09 Thread Mohan, Ross

did you select * from v$lock...for his sid?

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Hi all,

I had a developer come to me yesterday and tell me his session had hung,
and sure enough it had, he was executing an INSERT into a table with 5
columns. Oracle was just sitting there, but all the other sessions
logged into the database were fine. I got the SQL out of the SQL Area
and ran it in one of my own SQL*Plus windows, and sure enough it got
stuck for me too. The statement was part of a transaction that inserted
and updated about 8 tables, and this happens on the 3000th or so
transaction in that session. We killed that session and restarted the
application, and it was fine until it happened again. 

How would I go about diagnosing something like this? A couple of the
columns were from sequences, and I verified that these were OK. The
others were just text inserted into VARCHAR2s.

Thanks,

g

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RE: OT:I was thrown out of the list

2001-08-09 Thread Kevin Kostyszyn



Oh man that was 
low!

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  list
  it was
  
  cozur anoviceOracle Certifiable 
  DBBS
  
  joe 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/09/01 12:44PM 
  Hi,
   I did not receive a mail for two 
  days, I started smelling rat and sent a test mail to the list. I was told I am 
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  people start receiving viruses from my id ???
  list administrator please help
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  please explain
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RE: O/S copies of datafiles

2001-08-09 Thread Gogala, Mladen

How about giving it a try? I'm a DBA, not a soothsayer and
to give a definite answer, I'd need minute details like OS on
each box, with version, what are you copying and how are you
copying it. As of now, I can tell you only one thing:
Idis redibis nunquam in bello peribis (commas are missing on purpose).
This should satisfy your urge for knowledge.

 -Original Message-
 From: Sujatha Madan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 10:06 PM
 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
 Subject: O/S copies of datafiles
 
 
 Hi,
 
 This might be a stupid question, but I'll give it a go anyway.
 
 I have two Unix boxes - a production and a newly created test box. The
 production box has 8.0.5 and the test has 8.0.6 installed.
 
 Is it possible to stop the database, take a backup of all the 
 datafiles
 (through the operating system) and then move them to the test 
 server (in the
 same directory structure they were in in the production box). 
 Would the
 database open successfully?
 
 Thanks in advance for all your help.
 
 Regards,
 
 Sujatha
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RE: List slow today?

2001-08-09 Thread Boivin, Patrice J

I think all the people with Oracle problems took the day off.

: )

Patrice Boivin
Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA)



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Subject:OT: List slow today?

Other than during IOUG-A, I haven't seen this few messages.  Is my
mail server eating messages or is it just a slow day?
 
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OTRE: age discrimination in IT industry

2001-08-09 Thread dark matter

and/or if you are an idiot, slow learner, or have low iq.

I qualify for all of the above, so I barely made it through
the index, even powered by bran. :)

regards,
ep

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www.BSALERT.org
(bombastic, serendipitous alliance of legubrious, enigmatic 
research technicians)


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[via ORACLE-L Digest -- Volume 2001, Number 221]

 
 If you were older, it would be one. 
 
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 Light, that is like 5 bathroom sessions.

...

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 some light reading:
 
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Re: Optimizer Mode......how to choose the right one?

2001-08-09 Thread Steve Haas
Title: Message



Doesthe order of tablesalso make a 
difference with a RULE hint?

Steven HaasOpus Consultants, LLC

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Christopher 
  Spence 
  To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 12:15 
  PM
  Subject: RE: Optimizer Mode..how to 
  choose the right one?
  
  I by 
  no means say CBO doesn't make mistakes. It by far does, but the original 
  statement stays accurate, order of tables only matters with RBO (if comes up 
  with tie) and ordered hint. 
  
  There is nothing wrong with getting it in a good order, I just wanted 
  to stress that it only truely matters during those two conditions. 
  That's all, not trying to be adversary.
  
  CNA 
  is Novell Admin, I haven't done it in a while, I originally started as a 
  Novell Admin.
  Raptor is a firewall product I spent about4 years working 
  with.
  
  "Do not criticize someone until you walked a 
  mile in their shoes, that way when you criticize them, you are a mile a way 
  and have their shoes."
  Christopher R. Spence OCP MCSE MCP A+ RAPTOR CNA Oracle DBA Phone: (978) 322-5744 Fax: (707) 885-2275 
  Fuelspot 73 Princeton Street North, Chelmsford 01863  
  

-Original Message-From: Koivu, Lisa 
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2001 11:08 AMTo: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'; 
'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'Subject: RE: Optimizer Mode..how to 
choose the right one?
Ahh, but Christopher, therein lies 
the problem. The CBO makes mistakes and sometimes needs the gentle 
nudging of the ORDERED hint. I've seen a query go from hours to 2 
seconds after some analysis of the execution plan that was failing 
miserably.
Love the sig. You are a 
CNA? A Raptor? Am I missing something? 
Lisa Koivu Vikings Fan (and DBA) Ft. Lauderdale, FL, USA 

  -Original Message- From: Christopher Spence [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 10:27 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: Optimizer Mode..how to choose the right 
  one? 
  The driving table order does not matter when 
  using CBO, it will detirmine the order 
  based on cost, not placement. 
  The order only matters when dealing with the 
  RBO (when it hits a tie, otherwise it 
  will change it, but this happens often), or when using the 
  ordered hint. 
  "Do not criticize someone until you walked a 
  mile in their shoes, that way when you 
  criticize them, you are a mile a way and have their shoes." 
  Christopher R. Spence OCP MCSE MCP 
  A+ RAPTOR CNA Oracle DBA 
  Phone: (978) 322-5744 Fax: (707) 885-2275 
  Fuelspot 73 
  Princeton Street North, Chelmsford 
  01863  
  -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 4:30 AM 
  To: Multiple recipients of list 
  ORACLE-L 
  Order of the tables only matters when 
  using the ORDERED hint or using rbo AND there is a tie ranking. 
  But surely the very nature of the CHOOSE hint 
  is to select the best method to use 
  whether it's to follow the RBO or the CBO. Therefor ensuring that 
  you have the driving table defined in 
  the correct place within the query will have a benefit whether the database selects to use the RBO or 
  CBO... 
  IMHO. Kev. 
  __ 
  Kevin Thomas Technical Analyst Deregulation 
  Services Calanais Ltd. Tel: 0141 568 2314 Fax: 0141 568 2366 http://www.calanais.com 
  -Original Message- Sent: 07 August 2001 18:36 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L 
  When using first rows, you force the cost based 
  optimizer, in which the order of the 
  tables does not matter. 
  Order of the tables only matters when using the 
  ORDERED hint or using rbo AND there is 
  a tie ranking. 
  "Do not criticize someone until you walked a 
  mile in their shoes, that way when you 
  criticize them, you are a mile a way and have their shoes." 
  Christopher R. Spence OCP MCSE MCP 
  A+ RAPTOR CNA Oracle DBA 
  Phone: (978) 322-5744 Fax: (707) 885-2275 
  Fuelspot 73 
  Princeton Street North, Chelmsford 
  01863  
  -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 12:37 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L 
  Hi there, 
  Unfortunately you can't just throw things like 
  FIRST_ROWS at a select statement to 
  make it run faster. The person who wrote the statement should 
  have taken into account such things as: 
  
  a) Size of tables, ordering, which is the 
  driving table b) Indexes, are the being 
  used, running statements through explain plan will show you where the bottlenecks are...failing that TKPROF 
  will identify potential problem areas 
  with your database. c) Size of queries, 
  joins etc. 
  Too many developers do not write 

stored procedure errors

2001-08-09 Thread Ranganath K

Hi Gurus,

I am creating a stored procedure using the below code.  The procedure gets
created successfully.  But while executing the procedure I am getting below
errors:
ERROR at line 1:
ORA-00907: missing right parenthesis
ORA-06512: at SCOTT.CREATE_RATEDOUTPUT, line 5
ORA-06512: at line 1

CREATE OR REPLACE procedure create_ratedOutput(tablename IN varchar2)
authid current_user
IS
BEGIN
EXECUTE IMMEDIATE 'create table '|| tablename ||'(
version char(1) not null,
ne_id number(5) not null,
ne_sequence number(9) not null,
ne_date date not null,
device_id_indictor char(1) not null,
device_id varchar2(40) not null,
service_type_1_rule char(1) not null,
raw_service_type1_id varchar2(20) not null,
override1_id varchar2(20),
service_type_2_rule char(1) not null,
raw_service_type2_id varchar2(20),
override2_id varchar2(20),
call_date date not null,
call_completion number(3) not null,
call_termination number(3) not null,
call_direction char(1) not null,
mobile_to_mobile_indicator char(1) not null,
electronic_serial_number varchar2(11),
initial_cell_site varchar2(10),
second_number varchar2(20) not null,
dest_address varchar2(64),
special_cases varchar2(5) not null,
call_start_time_1 date not null,
call_duration_1 number(6) not null,
call_start_time_2 date,
call_duration_2 number(6),
home_zone duration number(6),
roaming_indicator char(1) not null,
roaming_direction char(1),
service_provider number(9),
service_provider_batch number(9),
service_provider_location varchar2(12),
ip_address varchar2(15),
data_size number(9),
user_defined1 varchar2(40),
user_defined2 varchar2(40),
user_defined3 varchar2(40),
user_defined4 varchar2(40),
user_defined5 varchar2(40),
user_defined6 varchar2(40),
user_defined7 varchar2(40),
user_defined8 varchar2(40),

us_call_type number(2),
day_type number(2),
origin_city varchar2(15),
origin_state char(2),
origin_country_abbr char(4),
destination_city varchar2(15),
destination_state char(2),
destination_country_abbr char(4),
destination_lata char(4),
destination_ocn char(4),
destination_rocn char(4),
destination_ioc_boc char(1),
distance_dialed number(9),
billed_duration number(6),
rate_periods_used number(1),
rate_period_description varchar2(30),
st1_rate_period_1 number(2),
st1_billed_duration_1 number(6),
st1_charge_1 number(18, 4),
st1_rate_period_id_2 number(2),
st1_billed_duration_2 number(6),
st1_charge_2 number(18, 4),
st1_billed_duration_rest number(6),
st1_charge_rest number(18, 4),
st2_rate_period_1 number(2),
st2_billed_duration_1 number(6),
st2_charge_1 number(18, 4),
st2_rate_period_id_2 number(2),
st2_billed_duration_2 number(6),
st2_charge_2 number(18, 4),
st2_billed_duration_rest number(6),
st2_charge_rest number(18, 4),
state_taxes number(18, 4),
local_taxes number(18, 4),

status char(1),
status_date date,
billed_id varchar2(20) not null,
customer char(6) not null,
billed_start_date date not null,
duplicate_key_sequence char(1) not null,
company char(3),
actual_service_type1 varchar2(20),
actual_service_type2 varchar2(20),
customer_cycle number(2),
usage_file_end_day number(2),
sort_method char(1),
rate_plan varchar2(20),
rate_plan_effective_date date,
revenue_code_by_plan char(4),
revenue_code_by_service1 char(4),
revenue_code_by_service2 char(4),
billing_item char(4),
billing_seq char(2),
billing_po char(2),
billing_cancel_date date,
free_usage_method char(1),
volume_discount_method char(1),
invoice_summary1 char(1),
invoice_summary2 char(1),
free_usage_amount1 number(18, 4),
free_usage_amount2 number(18, 4),
free_usage_details varchar2(40),
vol_disc_amount_applied1 number(18, 4),
vol_disc_amount_applied2 number(18, 4),
vol_disc_details varchar2(40),
carrier1 varchar2(20),
action_type1 char(1),
carrier2 varchar2(20),
action_type2 char(1),
actual_st1_charge_total number(18, 4),
actual_st2_charge_total number(18, 4),
alternate_amounts_calculated char(1),
alternate_amount_1 number(18, 4),
alternate_amount_2 number(18, 4),

CONSTRAINT RatedCDROut_PK
PRIMARY KEY (billed_id, customer, billed_start_date,
duplicate_key_sequence))';
execute immediate 'insert into outputstatus
values('||chr(39)||tablename||chr(39)||','||chr(39)||1||chr(39)||')';
commit;
end;
/

Can anyone help me in this regard?

Regards,

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RE: O/S copies of datafiles

2001-08-09 Thread Miller, Jay

Just be sure that if you copy your listener.ora file from the first box you
change the hostname!  Otherwise you'll risk shutting down the listener on
the original box.

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Yes, what this is doing is the same as restoring from a cold backup. If
the machines are the same, you can just shutdown Oracle and copy data
files, control files, redo logs and the contents $ORACLE_HOME across to
an identical directory structure on a new machine, change any settings
like tnsnames.ora and listener.ora which might be machine specific, then
start the database on the new machine and you're all set. If the version
of Oracle is only a minor revision, then datafiles, control files et al
will be compatible, just move everything except the software. 

We use a similar technique with Sun Jumpstart to create new instances
for our developers. 

g



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Hi,

This might be a stupid question, but I'll give it a go anyway.

I have two Unix boxes - a production and a newly created test box. The
production box has 8.0.5 and the test has 8.0.6 installed.

Is it possible to stop the database, take a backup of all the datafiles
(through the operating system) and then move them to the test server (in
the
same directory structure they were in in the production box). Would the
database open successfully?

Thanks in advance for all your help.

Regards,

Sujatha
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Re: closing DB on NT with a scheduled BATCH FILE

2001-08-09 Thread Charles Wolfe

Does the owner of the batch job have Log on as a batch job permissions?
This is generally necessary for scheduled batch jobs on NT/2K.

hth

Chuck

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 Because you are running this in the AT scheduler, it is not executing
 with the same permissions.

 I'll bet that your batch script it not on the C: drive.

 Put it on the C: drive and see if it works.

 Jared





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 I want to close and reopen database with a .BAT file .
  When I execute the .bat file directly it executes correctly . But When I
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Re: Some doubts)

2001-08-09 Thread JOE TESTA



break out the concepts manual and start reading.

joe

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Hello gurus,I need some help here. I am trying to get 
some understanding of the following:- (Pardon my stupidity, if you can call 
this)1. What are chained rows?2. What is index/table 
partitioning?3. In case of getting a table fragmentation report, what 
does the following have a physical meaning:-pct_free 
?pct_used?it says Rows = 130750,?but my actual table has got 
more no. rows than that, how did that happen, even though I just ANALYSED the 
table, I did a Estinate statistics though, does it matter, not a compute 
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re: Designer 2000 install on Linux

2001-08-09 Thread dark matter

If you saw my other post, it looks like designer is only
on NT/Win. If you can dual boot your system, you should
be able to get both the database and designer working on
NT or Win2000.

http://www.odtug.com has an email list (free, even to
non-members) for designer. also for JAVA, develop, etc.

As a student, you probably don't have access to Metalink,
but fyi, here is what is shown for Designer in the Technical
Libraries tab:




| Index Area -- Oracle Designer/Repository
|
| Use this self-service area to browse our Knowledge Base for
| support articles including technical bulletins, alerts, and 
| scripts. Also included here are reference materials such as
| product manuals, read me documents, installation guides, release
| notes, and white papers. This Self-Service Center contains the
| same information that is used by Oracle analysts to research
| technical issues. 
|
| Product Maintenance   Alerts   Documentation
|
| Information about patch sets, maintenance  releases and product
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| the main MetaLink menu. 
|
| Articles about known problems,   high-priority issues and specific
| recommendations to users. For additional Alerts, please refer to
| the Product Lifecycle   section of MetaLink. 
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| Oracle Designer 6i and Oracle Repository 6i are integral
| components of the Oracle Internet Developer Suite. 
|
| Oracle Designer 6i offers a rich toolset to model, generate, and
| capture the requirements of client-server and web-based
| applications quickly, accurately, and efficiently and support for
| these extensive features is provided by Oracle Repository 6i which
| is a highly scalable software configuration management (SCM)
| system. Oracle Repository manages structured and unstructured data
| throughout the development life cycle and can support
| multi-developer, multi-stream software development projects of any
| size and complexity. Product FAQ 
|
| Oracle 8.1.7 support requires use of a minimum certified
| Repository version, for additional information see  note:60705.1
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*ALSO* 

Does your school have membership in the Oracle
Academic Initiative (or whatever they call it now)?

They used to give schools *any* Oracle software for a
one time $500 payment. I think that included what used to
be called bronze support.

If you wanted upgrades, you had to pay another $500.

Congratulations on picking a very interesting topic of study.

regards,
ep


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 I am in need of some advise.  I have a class that is requiring that I 
 install Oracle Designer 2000.  The class provides Designer 2000 for windows 
 with the book Rapid Applications Development with Oracle Designer 2000 
 Billings, Chris / Billings, Maria / Tower, Julia.
 
 The problem is that I have Oracle 8i Enterprise Edition loaded on a Redhat 
 6.2 Linux box.  I need to know where I can download designer 2000 for Linux 
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RE: List slow today?

2001-08-09 Thread Grabowy, Chris



Possibly related? 


"UUNET is experiencing 
a major outage in the North East part of the country. UUNET reports there is another major 
fiber cut in Baltimore."

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2001 4:03 PMTo: Multiple recipients of list 
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  Stephen,
  
  I am seeing the same problem. 
  I went to the fatcity site (http://www.fatcity.com/ListGuru/login.php) 
  to see what was being posted, and quite a few messages have been sent to the 
  list. But very few have made it to my machine. Things have started to pick up 
  a tad in the last hour or so -- I've gotten 10 or so 
  messages.
  
  Regards,Larry G. 
  Elkins[EMAIL PROTECTED]214.954.1781 
  
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Other than during IOUG-A, I haven't seen this few messages. Is my 
mail server eating messages or is it just a slow day?

Stephen 


Oracle8i eBoot Camp

2001-08-09 Thread kjanusz

Does anyone have any experience with the Oracle8i eBoot 
Camp put on by OraKnowledge?

Thanks,
Ken Janusz, CPIM


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Oracle 8.1.7 client install on Win2K.

2001-08-09 Thread Mark Leith

List,

I have just got my hands on a shiny new P4 1.3 gig box with Win2K pro. I
installed the Java 1.3.0_01 JRE, and tried to start up the 8.1.7 for NT
Oracle install to install the client software (this was downloaded from
technet BTW). The splash screen runs - but when going for the install (the
java one) nothing happens, I get an hourglass cursor for all of 3-4 seconds
then nothing..

There is nothing else installed on this box apart from Office 2000, as it
was totally empty apart from the OS when we got it.. Has anybody else had
these problems? I seem to remember somebody (I think it may have been
Kevin?) had a problem installing on a P4 box - was your problem similar to
this one?

All help is appreciated!

Regards

Mark

BTW - you may remember I had an OT problem a while back now - where I had a
brand new Geoforce 3 Gfx card, that wouldn't run. I slipped it in to this
new beast and you should see the thing run now!!

This PC now runs games in OpenGL and Direct3D modes with 1280*960 resolution
at roughly 65-70 frames per second!! With NO glitches!! Oh yeah I also have
one game installed on the system :)

Cheers

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RE: Fwd: RE: RAID or NOT to RAID?

2001-08-09 Thread Christopher Spence

Now that's a post :)

Do not criticize someone until you walked a mile in their shoes, that way
when you criticize them, you are a mile a way and have their shoes.

Christopher R. Spence  OCP  MCSE MCP A+ RAPTOR CNA
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Hi all.
I've been disconnected for awhile - found myself out in Nebraska. Installing
81715/Win2000 on a new Dell PowerEdge 2500. Only had 6 drives on 1 IO
channel configured as 3 containers - RAID 1. The front grille reminds me
of an electric shaver. It was the kinda trip that ended with me pulling a
hamstring while unplugging a power cord for my notebook. Gotta stay hydrated
and get that daily banana for potassium.


repeat after me ...

RAID 10 != RAID 0+1
RAID 0+1 != RAID 10

Even with only 4 drives, when they might seem the same, 
RAID 0+1 is stripe first, then mirror.
RAID 10 is mirror first, then stripe.
As someone once said, the best way to tell how its configured, is to pull a
drive out of a hot swap bay, put it back in and see how many drives
re-silver. 
A corollary would be - pull one drive - and then pull another non-adjacent
drive (e.g. in the other cage). If its RAID 01 - you're completely hosed. So
much for non-destructive testing. :)

oh yeah, and it depends.

If you only need 8KB or 64 KB blocks at one time, go for neither, and just
separate files onto different RAID 1 volumes of 2 disks each. If you're
daring, don't even bother to use hardware RAID for the online redo logs -
and just duplex them with multiple log members of a redo log group.

After you locate what your point of contention is - either move the hot
spots out to dedicated drives, or add more drives to the volume that has the
most I/O. 

If you need massive amounts of data from full table scans - go for deeper
stripes. Even numbers of drives in a volume are preferable for RAID 0
stripes, odd for RAID 3,5. This makes it easy to calculate the stripe depths
as a multple of the db_block_size and OS io_size in your head.

Gaja wrote a great section on this topic in the Performance Tuning 101 Book.

And you can fix the RAID configuration by simply deleting the existing
RAID config - and starting from scratch. I had a site where a Dell Tech took
a perfectly good 4 x RAID 1 (8 drives) config and turn it into a single RAID
0+1 config. Ctrl-A at boot gets you into where you can wipe it clean and
start from scratch - assuming that you can wipe the slate clean.

And I'll beat Joe T to the punch - since you're going to have to re-install
the OS - Dell boxes run Linux pretty well. 
Just that Dell still sucks badly for calling RedHat Linux  Linux 7 on
their store website. That still pisses me off. 

Linux != RedHat.

Paul


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 In a previous job I had to deal with this issue.  WinNT 4.0 on a dual 
 processor Dell box with 24G of RAID.  I had specified RAID 0 + 1 but 
 someone knew better and got it with RAID 5 (5 is obviously better 
 than 0).  The SA wouldn't or couldn't reconfigure and the job needed 
 to get done.
 
 It was for a decision support system (basically read-only) and it may 
 be that sort of a system is less impacted.  I abandoned any thought of 
 OFA. Just stick all the datafiles out on one directory branch (makes 
 cold backups easier) and let the RAID sort out the contention.
 
 I didn't like it because I was basically trusting to someone else's 
 decisions but performance was adequate and the task was successful.  
 I'm not sure that this would be true with an OLTP system.
 
 I've seen the notation RAID 10 (which is RAID 0 + 1).  Perhaps we 
 should standardize on that.  Obviously RAID 10 has to be twice as good 
 as RAID 5. Right?
 
 
 Denmark Weatherburne
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 Hi DBA's,
 
 I hope I'm not opening a can of worms, but I'd like your feedback on 
 the issue of using RAID 5 on NT 4.0 with Oracle 8.0.5.
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RE: Optimizer Mode......how to choose the right one?

2001-08-09 Thread Christopher Spence
Title: Message



Only 
if you hit a tie with the rank of predicates.

"Do not criticize someone until you walked a 
mile in their shoes, that way when you criticize them, you are a mile a way and 
have their shoes."
Christopher R. Spence OCP MCSE MCP A+ RAPTOR CNA Oracle DBA Phone: (978) 322-5744 Fax: (707) 885-2275 
Fuelspot 73 Princeton Street North, Chelmsford 01863  

  
  -Original Message-From: Steve Haas 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 12:55 
  PMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: Re: 
  Optimizer Mode..how to choose the right one?
  Doesthe order of tablesalso make a 
  difference with a RULE hint?
  
  Steven HaasOpus Consultants, LLC
  
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From: 
Christopher 
Spence 
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L 

Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 12:15 
PM
Subject: RE: Optimizer Mode..how to 
choose the right one?

I 
by no means say CBO doesn't make mistakes. It by far does, but the 
original statement stays accurate, order of tables only matters with RBO (if 
comes up with tie) and ordered hint. 

There is nothing wrong with getting it in a good order, I just wanted 
to stress that it only truely matters during those two conditions. 
That's all, not trying to be adversary.

CNA is Novell Admin, I haven't done it in a while, I originally 
started as a Novell Admin.
Raptor is a firewall product I spent about4 years working 
with.

"Do not criticize someone until you walked 
a mile in their shoes, that way when you criticize them, you are a mile a 
way and have their shoes."
Christopher R. Spence OCP MCSE MCP A+ RAPTOR CNA Oracle DBA Phone: (978) 322-5744 Fax: (707) 885-2275 
Fuelspot 73 Princeton Street North, Chelmsford 01863  

  
  -Original Message-From: Koivu, Lisa 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 
  2001 11:08 AMTo: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'; 
  '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'Subject: RE: Optimizer Mode..how to 
  choose the right one?
  Ahh, but Christopher, therein 
  lies the problem. The CBO makes mistakes and sometimes needs the 
  gentle nudging of the ORDERED hint. I've seen a query go from hours 
  to 2 seconds after some analysis of the execution plan that was failing 
  miserably.
  Love the sig. You are a 
  CNA? A Raptor? Am I missing something? 
  Lisa Koivu Vikings Fan (and DBA) Ft. Lauderdale, FL, USA 
  
-Original Message- 
From: Christopher Spence [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 10:27 AM 
To: 
Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L 
Subject: 
RE: Optimizer Mode..how to choose the right 
one? 
The driving table order does not matter when 
using CBO, it will detirmine the 
order based on cost, not placement. 
The order only matters when dealing with the 
RBO (when it hits a tie, otherwise it 
will change it, but this happens often), or when using the 
ordered hint. 
"Do not criticize someone until you walked a 
mile in their shoes, that way when 
you criticize them, you are a mile a way and have their shoes." 

Christopher R. Spence OCP MCSE 
MCP A+ RAPTOR CNA Oracle DBA 
Phone: (978) 322-5744 Fax: (707) 885-2275 
Fuelspot 73 Princeton Street North, 
Chelmsford 01863  

-Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 4:30 AM 
To: Multiple recipients of list 
ORACLE-L 
Order of the tables only matters when 
using the ORDERED hint or using rbo AND there is a tie ranking. 
But surely the very nature of the CHOOSE hint 
is to select the best method to use 
whether it's to follow the RBO or the CBO. Therefor ensuring that 
you have the driving table defined in 
the correct place within the query will have a benefit whether the database selects to use the RBO or 
CBO... 
IMHO. Kev. 
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When using first rows, you force the cost 
based optimizer, in which the order 
of the tables does not matter. 
Order of the tables only matters when using 
the ORDERED hint or using rbo AND 
there is a tie ranking. 
"Do not criticize someone until you walked a 
mile in their shoes, that way when 
you criticize them, you are a mile a way and have their shoes." 

Christopher R. Spence OCP MCSE 
MCP 

OT:I was thrown out of the list

2001-08-09 Thread Mohan, Ross



LOL!!

Oh goshwhat happened to the 
Good Old Days, when people had names?

I mean, should I call 
myself "Dusty Old Sack of Shit DBA" ?

sigh


thanks for a laugh Joe. 


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OT Dorothy Parker :)

2001-08-09 Thread dark matter

I would like to apologise to anyone that was offended by
the topic.

I would also would like to apologise to anyone that was
offended by the above apology.

I would also like to apologise to anyone that might have
been offended by the implication that males can't be
wh*res.

I would also would like to apologise to anyone that was
offended by the above apology.

I would also would like to apologise to anyone that was
offended by all these apologies.


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| Subject: Re: computer history stories - Now: Age discrimination?
|
|Now we are getting a bit sexist...better watch it or I'll tell your 
|Mothers
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| Eric,
|
|  When challenged (at a party), to use to word
| 'horticulture' correctly in a sentence,
| Dorethy Parker immediately replied'
|
| You can lead a horticulture, but
| you can't make her think
|
| 
|  didn't some famous person such as Mae West say
|  you can lead a horse to water,
|  but not a horticulture. ???

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Re: Fwd: RE: RAID or NOT to RAID?

2001-08-09 Thread tday6

Thanks for the enlightenment.  What is the performance difference, from an
Oracle database standpoint, between RAID 0+1 and RAID 1+0?

Unfortunately one cannot change the configuration on Government Furnished
Equipment without a bit of a hassle.  In a more perfect world, of course,
but in real life, not likely.


   

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08/09/2001 

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Please 

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Hi all.
I've been disconnected for awhile - found myself out in Nebraska.
Installing 81715/Win2000 on a new Dell PowerEdge 2500.
Only had 6 drives on 1 IO channel configured as 3 containers - RAID 1.
The front grille reminds me of an electric shaver.
It was the kinda trip that ended with me pulling a hamstring while
unplugging a power cord for my notebook. Gotta stay hydrated and get
that daily banana for potassium.


repeat after me ...

RAID 10 != RAID 0+1
RAID 0+1 != RAID 10

Even with only 4 drives, when they might seem the same,
RAID 0+1 is stripe first, then mirror.
RAID 10 is mirror first, then stripe.
As someone once said, the best way to tell how its configured, is to
pull a drive out of a hot swap bay, put it back in and see how many
drives re-silver.
A corollary would be - pull one drive - and then pull another
non-adjacent drive (e.g. in the other cage). If its RAID 01 - you're
completely hosed.
So much for non-destructive testing. :)

oh yeah, and it depends.

If you only need 8KB or 64 KB blocks at one time, go for neither, and
just separate files onto different RAID 1 volumes of 2 disks each. If
you're daring, don't even bother to use hardware RAID for the online
redo logs - and just duplex them with multiple log members of a redo log
group.

After you locate what your point of contention is - either move the hot
spots out to dedicated drives, or add more drives to the volume that has
the most I/O.

If you need massive amounts of data from full table scans - go for
deeper stripes.
Even numbers of drives in a volume are preferable for RAID 0 stripes,
odd for RAID 3,5.
This makes it easy to calculate the stripe depths as a multple of the
db_block_size and OS io_size in your head.

Gaja wrote a great section on this topic in the Performance Tuning 101
Book.

And you can fix the RAID configuration by simply deleting the existing
RAID config - and starting from scratch. I had a site where a Dell Tech
took a perfectly good 4 x RAID 1 (8 drives) config and turn it into a
single RAID 0+1 config. Ctrl-A at boot gets you into where you can
wipe it clean and start from scratch - assuming that you can wipe the
slate clean.

And I'll beat Joe T to the punch - since you're going to have to
re-install the OS - Dell boxes run Linux pretty well.
Just that Dell still sucks badly for calling RedHat Linux  Linux 7 on
their store website.
That still pisses me off.

Linux != RedHat.

Paul


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 In a previous job I had to deal with this issue.  WinNT 4.0 on a dual
 processor Dell box with 24G of RAID.  I had specified RAID 0 + 1 but
 someone knew better and got it with RAID 5 (5 is obviously better than
 0).  The SA wouldn't or couldn't reconfigure and the job needed to get
 done.

 It was for a decision support system (basically read-only) and it may be
 that sort of a system is less impacted.  I abandoned any thought of OFA.
 Just stick all the datafiles out on one directory branch (makes cold
 backups easier) and let the RAID sort out the contention.

 I didn't like it because I was basically trusting to someone else's
 decisions but performance was adequate and the task was successful.  I'm
 not sure that this would 

Re: OT Dorothy Parker :)

2001-08-09 Thread Thater, William

Scott Shafer wrote:

 Eric,

 flame bate
 If anyone is offended that easily, they need to get a helmet, because
 their life sucks - and will continue to suck until they butch up a bit.
 Political Correctness allows the weak-minded to exert control over a
 society that they otherwise could not handle...
 /flame bate - hey the list IS slow ;-) 

 Scott Shafer
 San Antonio, TX

geez, is it friday yet?  i hope so, cuz we just got done laying off 25% of
the people here.

same work + less people := get-out-of-dodge-NOW.


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RE: List slow today?

2001-08-09 Thread Jenkins, Michael

Let's face it.  The only decent operating system was TRS-DOS. :o

Just doing my part!

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how about this:
 
unix sucks.
 
that ought to generate a little bit of traffic.
 
hth.
 
Paul
 

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Other than during IOUG-A, I haven't seen this few messages.  Is my mail
server eating messages or is it just a slow day?
 
Stephen 


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FW: karma - DBD module

2001-08-09 Thread Larry Elkins

Listers,

Have any of you got Karma up and running on HP-UX 11.0 against 8.1.7.x EE? I
have sent an email back asking my friend for more details on the problems he
is seeing, but it would be helpful in the meantime to at least know if
others have been successful.

See his question below.

Regards,

Larry G. Elkins
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Larry - how are things going?

Sam and I are trying to get Karma running.  No problems installing perl or
the DBI module, but the DBD module fails.  Do you know anyone who has
successfully set this up on an hp system?

Thanks, Lance

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REVISIT: FK Constraint naming.

2001-08-09 Thread Mark Leith

Hi List,

A few weeks ago somebody sent a message to the list about the naming of FK
constraints to something other than the system generated names. I have come
across a pretty nifty script that will do this for you automatically - check
it out:

http://searchdatabase.techtarget.com/tip/0,289483,sid13_gci759997,00.html

HTH whoever asked..

Mark

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REVISIT: FK Constraint naming.

2001-08-09 Thread Mark Leith

Hi List,

A few weeks ago somebody sent a message to the list about the naming of FK
constraints to something other than the system generated names. I have come
across a pretty nifty script that will do this for you automatically - check
it out:

http://searchdatabase.techtarget.com/tip/0,289483,sid13_gci759997,00.html

HTH whoever asked..

Mark

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OT: Klipsh

2001-08-09 Thread Christopher Spence
Title: OT:  Klipsh





OMG the Klipsh computer setup is killer! Just replaced my JBL Pro-Logic setup with it, and this was $100 cheaper than when I bought my JBL 3 years ago. Highly worth it for anyone gaming/music.

Just figured I would mention it ;)


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RE: OT:I was thrown out of the list

2001-08-09 Thread JOE TESTA



lighten up.

joe

 John Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/09/01 
04:16PM 
Was this really 
necessary?

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  it was
  
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  joe 
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  Hi,
   I did not receive a mail for two 
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  people start receiving viruses from my id ???
  list administrator please help
  jared
  bruce
  
  please explain
  cozI am anoviceOracle Certifiable 
  DBBS


RE: PERL PROGRAMMING

2001-08-09 Thread Christopher Spence

Highly recommend O'Reilly's Perl Library, You can get the entire thing on a
single cd for around $65.  I have all the books, even though I don't use
Perl often.

Do not criticize someone until you walked a mile in their shoes, that way
when you criticize them, you are a mile a way and have their shoes.

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Hi gurus,

We have Lot of PERL scripts. (Previous DBA). 
I am newby to perl . please suggest sites , to start.

TIA
naren

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Re: Fwd: RE: RAID or NOT to RAID?

2001-08-09 Thread dark matter

h Paaauuul!

Can you give a quick explication of how many drives/mount-points
are advised, in terms of recovery issues, for the OS (NT/Win2k),
Oracle software, database files, etc.?

(is there something about this in Sean O'Neill's NT standards 
document?)

thanks,
ep

ps, glad you enjoyed the midwest, I have a friend in Omaha.

general RAID backgrounder: http://www.evdbt.com/Raid.pdf
(linked from: http://www.evdbt.com/library.htm )


 
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  Subject: Re: Fwd: RE: RAID or NOT to RAID?

[via ORACLE-L Digest -- Volume 2001, Number 221]

...

 repeat after me ...
 
 RAID 10 != RAID 0+1
 RAID 0+1 != RAID 10
 
 Even with only 4 drives, when they might seem the same, 
 RAID 0+1 is stripe first, then mirror.
 RAID 10 is mirror first, then stripe.

...
 Gaja wrote a great section on this topic in the Performance Tuning 101
 Book.

...

  Hi DBA's,
  
  I hope I'm not opening a can of worms, but I'd like your feedback on the
  issue of using RAID 5 on NT 4.0 with Oracle 8.0.5.
 
 
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ADMIN: List status, bounces, archives

2001-08-09 Thread Bruce Bergman

Yes, the lists were down virtually all night (Pacific time).  I had been
doing some work on the server around midnight and maybe an hour after I
called it quits, the server locked up.  Sorry for the span of silence and
the ensuing rush of E-mail that is *still* being sent out.  All should be
well shortly.

Yes, some of you were bounced.  novicedba@hotmail was bounced because
his/her mailbox was too full (over quota) to accept new messages (a problem
with using free E-mail, I know).  You folks using free E-mail services need
to watch to make sure your mailbox doesn't fill up.  On a high traffic list
like this one, it's easy to do, and if you get over quota, ListGuru will
bounce you.  DBarbour was bounced because of transient delivery failures in
getting the mail to your site.  Normally I don't give public reasons for
bounces, but since those two asked in a public forum, I figure they were
fair game. ;-)

Finally, a reminder that there ARE archives at our site.  Go to
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A major new release of the archive site will be made next week.  One of the
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Password_verify_function in 8.1.6 doesn't allow ALTER USER IDENTI

2001-08-09 Thread Miller, Jay

I found plenty of angry people with my problem on Metalink forums, but no
one that got an answer from Oracle.

We still have a number of people connecting to Oracle via Powerbuilder
applications.  We want to use a password_verify_function but we'll be
upgrading 8.1.6 soon, and the ALTER USER xxx IDENTIFIED BY xxx; command will
no longer work in conjunction with it (I just discovered this today during
testing in development).  The Powerbuilder code to change the password
currently uses ALTER USER

Does anyone know if
1) There is any way to get it to work short of granting ALTER USER (*not* an
option :) to each user
2) OCIPasswordChange() can be called from Powerbuilder, and where I could
find sample code to do so if it is possible
3) There is any other solution?

TIA,
Jay Miller
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RE: completely off-topic question...

2001-08-09 Thread Miller, Jay

Main things I noticed were: 
jumpers became sweaters
u was removed from words like colour 
Philosopher's Stone became the Sorcerer's Stone

Of course I only read the first two books...

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How do the two versions differ?

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J.K. Rowling (does Harry Potter count as science fiction?) American and 
British versions, as well as the cassettes of all 4 books (that was my 
birthday present from my parents last year)




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RE: I was thrown out of the list

2001-08-09 Thread Jenkins, Michael




itworks
4 me

cozweerall
Oracle 
CertifiableDOSSDBAs

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  LOL!!
  
  Oh goshwhat happened to 
  the Good Old Days, when people had names?
  
  I mean, should I call 
  myself "Dusty Old Sack of Shit DBA" ?
  
  sigh
  
  
  thanks for a laugh Joe. 
  
  
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list
it was

cozur anoviceOracle Certifiable 
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Hi,
 I did not receive a mail for two 
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did people start receiving viruses from my id ???
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bruce

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RE: backup, recovery web site ?

2001-08-09 Thread John Leadeham


 I saw a backup  recovery web site a while ago.  That
 site devotes to B  R and it claims it has the most
 knowledge on BR topic.  I cannot find it anymore. 


www.backupcentral.com

John. 


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Re: V$LOGFILE

2001-08-09 Thread Mohammad Rafiq

Use following couple of times till your stale staus is changed

alter system switch logfile
/



MOHAMMAD RAFIQ



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Hi listers,
Issuing a select * from v$logfile I found that the status of several of
redologs is STALE.
What does this mean? How can I solve it?
Thanks in advance!

Saludos,
Veronica Levin Enriquez
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OT ADMIN: List status, bounces, archives

2001-08-09 Thread Mohan, Ross

Bruce, could you bounce me for a day, for...oh, say, foul
language, outdated information, unsuitably patriarchal
grammar...something...anything.

But...then againdon't.   I don't want to miss any of
this!

;-)

Ross


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Yes, the lists were down virtually all night (Pacific time).  I had been
doing some work on the server around midnight and maybe an hour after I
called it quits, the server locked up.  Sorry for the span of silence and
the ensuing rush of E-mail that is *still* being sent out.  All should be
well shortly.

Yes, some of you were bounced.  novicedba@hotmail was bounced because
his/her mailbox was too full (over quota) to accept new messages (a problem
with using free E-mail, I know).  You folks using free E-mail services need
to watch to make sure your mailbox doesn't fill up.  On a high traffic list
like this one, it's easy to do, and if you get over quota, ListGuru will
bounce you.  DBarbour was bounced because of transient delivery failures in
getting the mail to your site.  Normally I don't give public reasons for
bounces, but since those two asked in a public forum, I figure they were
fair game. ;-)

Finally, a reminder that there ARE archives at our site.  Go to
http://www.fatcity.com/ListGuru and sign up if you haven't already (it's
free).  You can then browse old archives, search, etc.  The archives are in
a wide-beta, and work is ongoing virtually daily, but you should be able to
mutz around with a minimum of hassle.  Feedback, suggestions, requests for
certain features, criticism, etc., are all welcome and appreciated.

A major new release of the archive site will be made next week.  One of the
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RE: Unix Client Install

2001-08-09 Thread Miller, Jay

Hmm, could one do this onto a different version of UNIX and just relink the
software?

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well, um, that's how I will install oracle (same version obviously) on 
second and third machines.

I work with my SA, making sure everything is the same (Unix patches, 
filesystems, etc) and then we copy.


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Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 16:25:39 -0800


Given virtually identical Unix machines (i.e.,
same kernel and patch sets,) is there any reason NOT
to take the cowards way out and use a tar file of
$ORACLE_HOME from the first client only install
(from CD with X-win client) to install to another
machine? My original install CD has 'walked'; I
could download and cpio ... or wait 3 days for
support to get me new CD's. Why shouldn't I use
the working installation as a base? Are there any
machine specific actions taken by the installer
besides obvious tnsnames if you use the installation
gui) for client installations ?

TIA
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RE: stored procedure errors

2001-08-09 Thread Jamadagni, Rajendra

What is the extra comma doing before the CONSTRAINT RatedCDROut_PK ??

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Re: OT Dorothy Parker :)

2001-08-09 Thread Scott Shafer

Eric,

flame bate
If anyone is offended that easily, they need to get a helmet, because
their life sucks - and will continue to suck until they butch up a bit. 
Political Correctness allows the weak-minded to exert control over a
society that they otherwise could not handle...
/flame bate - hey the list IS slow ;-) 

Scott Shafer
San Antonio, TX

PS -- I realize your response was humorous, Ruth.  grin


dark matter wrote:
 
 I would like to apologise to anyone that was offended by
 the topic.
 
 I would also would like to apologise to anyone that was
 offended by the above apology.
 
 I would also like to apologise to anyone that might have
 been offended by the implication that males can't be
 wh*res.
 
 I would also would like to apologise to anyone that was
 offended by the above apology.
 
 I would also would like to apologise to anyone that was
 offended by all these apologies.
 
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 | From: Ruth Gramolini [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 | Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 09:32:49 -0400
 | Subject: Re: computer history stories - Now: Age discrimination?
 |
 |Now we are getting a bit sexist...better watch it or I'll tell your
 |Mothers
 |and/or Wives.
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RE: OT Dorothy Parker :)

2001-08-09 Thread Mohan, Ross

ROFL!!!

G*damn, the best laugh all day!

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I would like to apologise to anyone that was offended by
the topic.

I would also would like to apologise to anyone that was
offended by the above apology.

I would also like to apologise to anyone that might have
been offended by the implication that males can't be
wh*res.

I would also would like to apologise to anyone that was
offended by the above apology.

I would also would like to apologise to anyone that was
offended by all these apologies.


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| From: Ruth Gramolini [EMAIL PROTECTED]
| Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 09:32:49 -0400
| Subject: Re: computer history stories - Now: Age discrimination?
|
|Now we are getting a bit sexist...better watch it or I'll tell your 
|Mothers
|and/or Wives.
|
|RBG
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|
|
| Eric,
|
|  When challenged (at a party), to use to word
| 'horticulture' correctly in a sentence,
| Dorethy Parker immediately replied'
|
| You can lead a horticulture, but
| you can't make her think
|
| 
|  didn't some famous person such as Mae West say
|  you can lead a horse to water,
|  but not a horticulture. ???

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Re[2]: OT Dorothy Parker :)

2001-08-09 Thread dgoulet

OY VAY, I must of missed a good one!!  Thank God!

Dick Goulet

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a lone amateur built the Ark. A large group of  professionals built the
Titanic.

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Scott Shafer wrote:

 Eric,

 flame bate
 If anyone is offended that easily, they need to get a helmet, because
 their life sucks - and will continue to suck until they butch up a bit.
 Political Correctness allows the weak-minded to exert control over a
 society that they otherwise could not handle...
 /flame bate - hey the list IS slow ;-) 

 Scott Shafer
 San Antonio, TX

geez, is it friday yet?  i hope so, cuz we just got done laying off 25% of
the people here.

same work + less people := get-out-of-dodge-NOW.


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FW: karma

2001-08-09 Thread Larry Elkins

Listers,

I'm relaying something from a friend. This is a follow-up to an earlier
email where he had problems with DBD. He got that squared away and is now
seeing the following when starting Karma.

Anyone have ideas?

Regards,

Larry G. Elkins
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Larry,

I found it in a README file (doh!) - you have to use the latest version of
perl (5.6.1) with a ccflag of +z and libraries -lcl and -lpthread.  After
reinstalling perl, DBD installs fine.  Now we are trying Karma.  It installs
with no errors, but when I start it, I receive the following (know anyone
who knows c and perl?):

$ karmactl -s -c basic.conf
main::printHelp() called too early to check prototype at
/opt/perl5/bin//karmactl line 96.
main::startKarma() called too early to check prototype at
/opt/perl5/bin//karmactl line 102.
main::checkRunning() called too early to check prototype at
/opt/perl5/bin//karmactl line 119.
main::refreshKarma() called too early to check prototype at
/opt/perl5/bin//karmactl line 122.
main::stopKarma() called too early to check prototype at
/opt/perl5/bin//karmactl line 125.
main::reloadKarma() called too early to check prototype at
/opt/perl5/bin//karmactl line 134.
main::statusKarma() called too early to check prototype at
/opt/perl5/bin//karmactl line 136.
main::cleanupKarma() called too early to check prototype at
/opt/perl5/bin//karmactl line 143.
main::printHelp() called too early to check prototype at
/opt/perl5/bin//karmactl line 146.
main::get_pid() called too early to check prototype at
/opt/perl5/bin//karmactl line 116.
Missing braces on \N{} at /opt/perl5/bin//karmactl line 363, within pattern
Execution of /opt/perl5/bin//karmactl aborted due to compilation errors.


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RE: OT:I was thrown out of the list

2001-08-09 Thread Mohan, Ross



No, but as Garrison Keillor 
said recently, 


Why would any comedian 
give up such a laugh? It would be like not
milking a cow. You lose the milk and it irritates the cow. 


  -Original Message-From: John Lewis 
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  5:21 PMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: 
  RE: OT:I was thrown out of the list
  Was this really 
  necessary?
  
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1:16 PMTo: Multiple recipients of list 
ORACLE-LSubject: Re: OT:I was thrown out of the 
list
it was

cozur anoviceOracle Certifiable 
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joe 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/09/01 12:44PM 
Hi,
 I did not receive a mail for two 
days, I started smelling rat and sent a test mail to the list. I was told I 
am not a member. Is it some revamping happening or I was thrown out because 
did people start receiving viruses from my id ???
list administrator please help
jared
bruce

please explain
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RE: stored procedure errors

2001-08-09 Thread Koivu, Lisa
Title: RE: stored procedure errors





Ranganath, 
Your dynamic statement is missing a paren somewhere, that's why it compiles without error. 
Dig through your statement, you'll find where the paren is missing (it'll be within your quotes


HTH
Lisa Koivu
Headache Queen and DBA
Ft. Lauderdale, FL, USA


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Subject: stored procedure errors


Hi Gurus,


I am creating a stored procedure using the below code. The procedure gets
created successfully. But while executing the procedure I am getting below
errors:
ERROR at line 1:
ORA-00907: missing right parenthesis
ORA-06512: at SCOTT.CREATE_RATEDOUTPUT, line 5
ORA-06512: at line 1


CREATE OR REPLACE procedure create_ratedOutput(tablename IN varchar2)
authid current_user
IS
BEGIN
EXECUTE IMMEDIATE 'create table '|| tablename ||'(
version char(1) not null,
ne_id number(5) not null,
ne_sequence number(9) not null,
ne_date date not null,
device_id_indictor char(1) not null,
device_id varchar2(40) not null,
service_type_1_rule char(1) not null,
raw_service_type1_id varchar2(20) not null,
override1_id varchar2(20),
service_type_2_rule char(1) not null,
raw_service_type2_id varchar2(20),
override2_id varchar2(20),
call_date date not null,
call_completion number(3) not null,
call_termination number(3) not null,
call_direction char(1) not null,
mobile_to_mobile_indicator char(1) not null,
electronic_serial_number varchar2(11),
initial_cell_site varchar2(10),
second_number varchar2(20) not null,
dest_address varchar2(64),
special_cases varchar2(5) not null,
call_start_time_1 date not null,
call_duration_1 number(6) not null,
call_start_time_2 date,
call_duration_2 number(6),
home_zone duration number(6),
roaming_indicator char(1) not null,
roaming_direction char(1),
service_provider number(9),
service_provider_batch number(9),
service_provider_location varchar2(12),
ip_address varchar2(15),
data_size number(9),
user_defined1 varchar2(40),
user_defined2 varchar2(40),
user_defined3 varchar2(40),
user_defined4 varchar2(40),
user_defined5 varchar2(40),
user_defined6 varchar2(40),
user_defined7 varchar2(40),
user_defined8 varchar2(40),


us_call_type number(2),
day_type number(2),
origin_city varchar2(15),
origin_state char(2),
origin_country_abbr char(4),
destination_city varchar2(15),
destination_state char(2),
destination_country_abbr char(4),
destination_lata char(4),
destination_ocn char(4),
destination_rocn char(4),
destination_ioc_boc char(1),
distance_dialed number(9),
billed_duration number(6),
rate_periods_used number(1),
rate_period_description varchar2(30),
st1_rate_period_1 number(2),
st1_billed_duration_1 number(6),
st1_charge_1 number(18, 4),
st1_rate_period_id_2 number(2),
st1_billed_duration_2 number(6),
st1_charge_2 number(18, 4),
st1_billed_duration_rest number(6),
st1_charge_rest number(18, 4),
st2_rate_period_1 number(2),
st2_billed_duration_1 number(6),
st2_charge_1 number(18, 4),
st2_rate_period_id_2 number(2),
st2_billed_duration_2 number(6),
st2_charge_2 number(18, 4),
st2_billed_duration_rest number(6),
st2_charge_rest number(18, 4),
state_taxes number(18, 4),
local_taxes number(18, 4),


status char(1),
status_date date,
billed_id varchar2(20) not null,
customer char(6) not null,
billed_start_date date not null,
duplicate_key_sequence char(1) not null,
company char(3),
actual_service_type1 varchar2(20),
actual_service_type2 varchar2(20),
customer_cycle number(2),
usage_file_end_day number(2),
sort_method char(1),
rate_plan varchar2(20),
rate_plan_effective_date date,
revenue_code_by_plan char(4),
revenue_code_by_service1 char(4),
revenue_code_by_service2 char(4),
billing_item char(4),
billing_seq char(2),
billing_po char(2),
billing_cancel_date date,
free_usage_method char(1),
volume_discount_method char(1),
invoice_summary1 char(1),
invoice_summary2 char(1),
free_usage_amount1 number(18, 4),
free_usage_amount2 number(18, 4),
free_usage_details varchar2(40),
vol_disc_amount_applied1 number(18, 4),
vol_disc_amount_applied2 number(18, 4),
vol_disc_details varchar2(40),
carrier1 varchar2(20),
action_type1 char(1),
carrier2 varchar2(20),
action_type2 char(1),
actual_st1_charge_total number(18, 4),
actual_st2_charge_total number(18, 4),
alternate_amounts_calculated char(1),
alternate_amount_1 number(18, 4),
alternate_amount_2 number(18, 4),


CONSTRAINT RatedCDROut_PK
PRIMARY KEY (billed_id, customer, billed_start_date,
duplicate_key_sequence))';
execute immediate 'insert into outputstatus
values('||chr(39)||tablename||chr(39)||','||chr(39)||1||chr(39)||')';
commit;
end;
/


Can anyone help me in this regard?


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Is there any place(except AUDIT LOG) to see the activities

2001-08-09 Thread ASHOKE MANDAL

Greetings,

I like to know if there is any view or place in Oracle where we can see who 
has dropped an oracle user or did some other activities in the datbase.

My understanding is that such auditing can be done by turning on the 
AUDITING. But our auditing is not on and we need to find out who has done 
some changes to the database.

Is there any way?

Thanks,
Ashoke

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RE: I was thrown out of the list

2001-08-09 Thread Kevin Kostyszyn



LOLhhehehehehe, that was 
good work. well I am off, gonna go melt onto the Garden State Parkway 
oven!!!

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  LOL!!
  
  Oh goshwhat happened to 
  the Good Old Days, when people had names?
  
  I mean, should I call 
  myself "Dusty Old Sack of Shit DBA" ?
  
  sigh
  
  
  thanks for a laugh Joe. 
  
  
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it was

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Hi,
 I did not receive a mail for two 
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did people start receiving viruses from my id ???
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RE: List slow today?

2001-08-09 Thread Arich Henneman

Maybe that last upgrade of Oracle fixed all the problems and we can
dispand this group, DBA's are no longer needed :)

We can concentrate on NT sucks :)

Arich Henneman
Not Oracle Certified

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I think all the people with Oracle problems took the day off.

: )

Patrice Boivin
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Other than during IOUG-A, I haven't seen this few messages.  Is
my
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RE: OT:I was thrown out of the list

2001-08-09 Thread John Lewis



Was this really 
necessary?

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Oracle DBA Needed in Cleveland, Ohio..

2001-08-09 Thread OraStaff

This Biotechnology Client in the Cleveland Ohio area, needs an Oracle DBA
to join its' I.T. staff.

* Candidates local to the Greater Cleveland area only will be considered.

This is a full time staff position so no sub-contractors or third parties
please.

Please do not call or send a resume if you are not in the U.S. and/or need 
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*Responsibilities:
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-Tunes hardware and software to ensure acceptable database performance. 
-Performs regularly scheduled backup and recovery tasks. 
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-Identifies tasks associated necessary within a project and works within
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*Requirements:
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-Development skills in PERL, shell script, and Java. 
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- U.S. Citizenship or permanent residency also required.
  

These positions offer:
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RE: Fwd: RE: RAID or NOT to RAID?

2001-08-09 Thread Christopher Spence

There is significant differences due to the fact of 1+0 you have 2 raid 1
(which generally have -15% hit in performance on writes but increased
throughput on reads).   Raid 0+1 you have a single raid 1 stripe, so your
write performance suffers 50% less than that of Raid 1+0.  Which I would say
(never played with Raid 1+0 a lot) but I would say here is a decent
guesstimate scale.


Raid 0+115% loss in write performance over same 4 spindles
Raid 1+030% loss in write performance over same 4 spindles
Raid 5  60% loss in write performance over same 4 spindles

Anyone who has extensively played with this, I would be interested to see
exact numbers, but confident these numbers are fairly close.

Do not criticize someone until you walked a mile in their shoes, that way
when you criticize them, you are a mile a way and have their shoes.

Christopher R. Spence  OCP  MCSE MCP A+ RAPTOR CNA
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Thanks for the enlightenment.  What is the performance difference, from an
Oracle database standpoint, between RAID 0+1 and RAID 1+0?

Unfortunately one cannot change the configuration on Government Furnished
Equipment without a bit of a hassle.  In a more perfect world, of course,
but in real life, not likely.


 

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Hi all.
I've been disconnected for awhile - found myself out in Nebraska. Installing
81715/Win2000 on a new Dell PowerEdge 2500. Only had 6 drives on 1 IO
channel configured as 3 containers - RAID 1. The front grille reminds me
of an electric shaver. It was the kinda trip that ended with me pulling a
hamstring while unplugging a power cord for my notebook. Gotta stay hydrated
and get that daily banana for potassium.


repeat after me ...

RAID 10 != RAID 0+1
RAID 0+1 != RAID 10

Even with only 4 drives, when they might seem the same,
RAID 0+1 is stripe first, then mirror.
RAID 10 is mirror first, then stripe.
As someone once said, the best way to tell how its configured, is to pull a
drive out of a hot swap bay, put it back in and see how many drives
re-silver. A corollary would be - pull one drive - and then pull another
non-adjacent drive (e.g. in the other cage). If its RAID 01 - you're
completely hosed. So much for non-destructive testing. :)

oh yeah, and it depends.

If you only need 8KB or 64 KB blocks at one time, go for neither, and just
separate files onto different RAID 1 volumes of 2 disks each. If you're
daring, don't even bother to use hardware RAID for the online redo logs -
and just duplex them with multiple log members of a redo log group.

After you locate what your point of contention is - either move the hot
spots out to dedicated drives, or add more drives to the volume that has the
most I/O.

If you need massive amounts of data from full table scans - go for deeper
stripes. Even numbers of drives in a volume are preferable for RAID 0
stripes, odd for RAID 3,5. This makes it easy to calculate the stripe depths
as a multple of the db_block_size and OS io_size in your head.

Gaja wrote a great section on this topic in the Performance Tuning 101 Book.

And you can fix the RAID configuration by simply deleting the existing
RAID config - and starting from scratch. I had a site where a Dell Tech took
a perfectly good 4 x RAID 1 (8 drives) config and turn it into a single RAID
0+1 config. Ctrl-A at boot gets you into where you can wipe it clean and
start from scratch - assuming that you can wipe the slate clean.

And I'll beat Joe T to the punch - since you're going to have to re-install
the OS - Dell boxes run Linux pretty well. Just that Dell still sucks badly
for calling RedHat Linux  Linux 7 on their store website. That still
pisses me off.

Linux != RedHat.

Paul


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 In a previous job I had to deal with this issue.  WinNT 4.0 on a dual 
 processor Dell box with 24G of RAID.  I had specified RAID 0 + 1 but 
 someone knew better and got it with RAID 5 (5 is obviously better 
 than 0).  The SA wouldn't or couldn't reconfigure and the job needed 
 to get done.

 It was for a decision support system (basically read-only) and it may 
 be that sort of a system is less impacted.  I abandoned any thought of 
 OFA. Just stick all the datafiles out on one directory branch (makes 
 cold backups easier) and let the RAID sort out the contention.

 I 

Re: import fails with referentail integrity constraint violation

2001-08-09 Thread Lucy Lin

you can rerun import with ignore=n.



On Wed, 8 Aug 2001, Harvinder Singh wrote:

 Hi,
 
 In our application one of our table name t_acc_usage refer to table_name
 t_usage
 now the problem is whenever i try to do full database import from dump the
 import
 always try to import t_acc_usage  before the t_usage  as i alphabetical
 order and the
 import for this table always fails as t_usage is primary table..referntial
 integrity problem..
 how to resolve this issue.
 
 Thanks
 -Harvinder
 

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RE: RE: RAID or NOT to RAID?

2001-08-09 Thread Denmark Weatherburne


Hi DBA's:

I've been researching this issue as well.
All the expert advice seems to point to using RAID 1+0 for OLTP 
implementations and RAID 5 for DSS (Read-Only) implementations.
I also found out that you can use raw partitions on NT as well.
Does anyone have experience with setting up raw partitions on NT?
I still don't know how one would separate datafiles from indexfiles and 
REDOLogfiles under RAID implementations? Any ideas?

I agree that it boils down to the fundamental question of cost vs 
performance. Nevertheless, DBA's and SA's still have to be familiar with 
these configurations to be efficient.

Regards,

Denmark Weatherburne
Belize



From: Berj Kacherian [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: RE: RE: RAID or NOT to RAID?
Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 10:19:26 -0700

You've got the right idea.  RAID 1+0 is the best that you can use, but also
expensive.  It all comes down to the age old question of money and
performance.  Just remember, when the system is slow, management is not
going to ask the finance guy why he did not spend more for a better layout,
they are going to ask the dba why the db is so slow.  Always ask for the
best layout that you know.  When they balk at it, make sure you document in
an email that they are giving up performance.  When the system starts
running slow, you've got yourself covered!

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Okay,

Guys I know there have been discussions about this but can someone confirm
my understanding of the situation.  Working and researching use of RAID 
with
Oracle it has been come clear to me that there are many views in regards to
Oracle databases.  I.E.  stripe using RAID and don't worry at all about
separating segments.  Stripe using RAID but still don't put all types of
Oracle segments (even striped) on the same physical disks.  It seems to me
that even using RAID 1+0 the optimum situation is to have enough disks to
stripe and to also separate out redo logs, archives, data from index (at 
the
least).  However, this can definitely become expensive.  Of course, you can
use different types of RAID but then SA balk at the complexity and is the
bang worth the buck.  If it is a highly concurrent medium sized OLTP system
with Oracle on Sun using RAID 1+0 (Veritas) what is the best way to go.
Also, I have tried separating redo versus all data stripped all across
available disks and the redo write waits reported by my monitoring tool 
were
about the same and still high (supposedly should be about 20ms and was
reporting at times 30-60 ms).  Also, the workload I was running to test was
a migration workload which means large batch writes and in my mind I can't
both optimize I/O layout for both that and common random I/O of typical 
OLTP
daily operations.  So I would optimize for the typical daily operations -
try to get the developer to tune the batch process - change some of the
memory parameters for the migration process (as nothing else will be
happening on the system) and live with any I/O constraints after that.  Any
advice - would appreciate info. from the Quest contributors the tool I have
been using to monitor is indeed Spotlight.



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RE: List slow today?

2001-08-09 Thread Glasrot, Nechama

no ... they were just laid off

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I think all the people with Oracle problems took the day off.

: )

Patrice Boivin
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Stephen 

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Re: PERL PROGRAMMING

2001-08-09 Thread Kevin Hedger

I have found www.perlmonks.com to be a very helpful site.  They will help 
you with any questions you have.

SAMS Teach Yourself Perl in 24 hours (ISBN 0-672-31773-7)is a painless way 
to learn perl.

Have fun with perl.

Kevin Hedger


Hi gurus,

We have Lot of PERL scripts. (Previous DBA).
I am newby to perl . please suggest sites , to start.

TIA
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RE: CODE to trap an update statement in PL*SQL that updates 0

2001-08-09 Thread Post, Ethan

Todd,

Check out the PL/SQL guide under Using Cursor Attributes.

http://www.oradoc.com/ora817/appdev.817/a77069/05_ora.htm#42685


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Hello everyone..  I'm trying to trap the case where an 
update in
PL*SQL updates 0 rows. I've tried using the returning into 
clause hoping
it would put null in the returning field - but it seems to retain the
previous updates value.  Can anyone help??
 
SQL*Plus: Release 8.1.7.0.0 -
 
 
drop table test;
create table test(col1 number);
insert into test values (1);
insert into test values (3);
insert into test values (5);
insert into test values (7);
insert into test values (9);
declare
v_key  pls_integer;
cursor c is select 1 as key from dual
union
select 2 as key from dual
union
select 3 as key from dual;
begin
for x in c loop
begin
v_key:=null;
Update  test set col1=x.key
where col1=x.key
returning col1 into v_key;
---
--- Put trap code here when 0 rows updated
--
dbms_output.put_line('curr'|| x.key||' '|| v_key);
end;
end loop;
end;
/

 
Table dropped.
 

Table created.
 

1 row created.
 

1 row created.
 

1 row created.
 

1 row created.
 

1 row created.
 
curr1 1
curr2 1
curr3 3
 
PL/SQL procedure successfully completed.
 
Todd Thompson
 
Architecture and Technology Team
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Re: OT: Klipsh

2001-08-09 Thread Scott Shafer

OK, what's a Klipsh?  

--Scott


 Christopher Spence wrote:
 
 OMG the Klipsh computer setup is killer!  Just replaced my JBL
 Pro-Logic setup with it, and this was $100 cheaper than when I bought
 my JBL 3 years ago.  Highly worth it for anyone gaming/music.
 
 Just figured I would mention it ;)
 
 Do not criticize someone until you walked a mile in their shoes, that
 way when you criticize them, you are a mile a way and have their
 shoes.
 
 Christopher R. Spence  OCP  MCSE MCP A+ RAPTOR CNA

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Re: Whatever became of ORAC

2001-08-09 Thread Brian Haas

Here's the latest version 1.2. It looks like it hasn't been updated
since May 2000, but newer than the tux.org site.

http://sourceforge.net/projects/perldbadmin/

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On Mon, 6 Aug 2001, Orr, Steve wrote:
Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 08:21:01 -0800
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Subject: Whatever became of ORAC

Do anyone know whatever became of ORAC. It was an attempt to build an open
source web-based DBA tool in Perl but it doesn't look like much has
happened. Here's a link.
http://www.tux.org/orac-dba/news.html


Steve Orr



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Re: Fwd: RE: RAID or NOT to RAID?

2001-08-09 Thread Eric D. Pierce

(Please critique the following)

NT/Win2k RAID background:

   http://www.ultratech-llc.com/KB/?File=RAID.TXT 

(linked from http://www.ultratech-llc.com/KB/?File=!Contents.TXT )


---excerpt---

...

* DATABASE TYPE SERVER ... assuming 6-10 drives total

   {Low Space Requirements or Small Footprint}
* 2 x  9GB (or 18GB) - RAID1  (OS and pagefile)
* 2 x 18GB (or 36GB) - RAID1  (Database Logs)
* 2 x 18GB (or 36GB) - RAID1  (Databases)

   {More Space Redundancy}
* 2 x  9GB (or 18GB) - RAID1  (OS and pagefile)
* 2 x 18GB (or 36GB) - RAID1  (Database Logs)
* 6 x 18GB (or 36GB) - RAID5  (Databases)

   {More Redundancy}
* 2 x  9GB (or 18GB) - RAID1  (OS and pagefile)
* 2 x 18GB (or 36GB) - RAID1  (Database Logs)
* 5 x 18GB (or 36GB) - RAID5  (Databases)
* 1 x 18GB (or 36GB) - Hot Spare

   {Redundancy and Performance}
* 2 x  9GB (or 18GB) - RAID1  (OS and pagefile)
* 2 x 18GB (or 36GB) - RAID1  (Database Logs)
* 6 x 18GB (or 36GB) - RAID10 (Databases)


Additionally, it is best to **AVOID** the following practices:

* Putting the pagefile on RAID5
* Putting the pagefile on a separate PARTITION, but not separate DISK
* Making logical partitions out of a single, huge RAID5
* Putting the pagefile on a non-redundant drive.


In order of preference, the pagefile should go here:

* Across multiple, non-busy drives (not just different partitions)
* On its very own dedicated drive (with redundancy)
* On a non-busy drive where %SystemRoot% does NOT reside
* On the same drive and partition as %SystemRoot%

Always ensure that your pagefile is on some sort of
RAID drive, as you will lose your whole system if the
pagefile becomes unavailable. Thus, even though it is
performance draining and wasteful, having your pagefile
on a RAID5 partition would still be better than having
it on a single drive (with regards to uptime and redundancy).

These are the guidelines I try to follow regarding the
optimal drive configuration (performance and recoverability)
on NT systems.

To support more esoteric configurations or a different
number of drives, adjust your RAID choices accordingly...

NOTE: If you are lucky enough to find 4GB drives, use
them for the OS, but you'll probably be stuck with 9s...


PERSONAL NOTES

* ATA RAID is gaining some serious momentum. I'm using
  it at home, and it performs better than advertised.
  I'm still not at the level where I would consider it
  appropriate for Mission Critical servers. Home,
  Development and extremely low-budget environments are
  good candidates, but I am still of the mind that
  SERVER = SCSI.  On the desktop, the cost and size of
  ATA drives are considerable advantages for almost
  every situation (multimedia aside).

* 3Ware makes some awesome, ATA RAID controllers,
  supporting up to 8 drives, and various RAID configs.
  Their benchmarks must be seen to be believed.

* AVOID SOFTWARE RAID LIKE THE PLAGUE.
  It is less flexible than Hardware RAID, requires more
  CPU cycles to operate, and the lack of any hotswap
  capabilities means that you will likely suffer downtime
  to correct a failed drive, even if your system doesn't
  immediately crash and burn.

  Additionally, the RAID configuration is stored in the
  registry, which means that if the OS goes, you're
  basically looking at restoring from tape...

  There is a subtle difference between RAID0+1 and RAID10
  that should not be overlooked. In all likelihood, it is
  the latter that you want, not the former.


RELATED TOPICS (ALSO IN THIS ARCHIVE)

* http://www.ultratech-llc.com/KB/?File=Pagefile.TXT
* http://www.ultratech-llc.com/KB/?File=Mirroring.TXT
* http://www.ultratech-llc.com/KB/?File=Partitions.TXT
* http://www.ultratech-llc.com/KB/?File=ServerSpecs.TXT
* http://www.ultratech-llc.com/KB/?File=Performance.TXT
* http://www.ultratech-llc.com/KB/?File=Benchmark.TXT
* http://www.ultratech-llc.com/KB/?File=NTsetup.TXT


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KEYWORDS: PAGEFILE, PERFORMANCE, CONFIGURATION, SETUP, RAID, 
HOTSPARE, MIRROR, ARRAY, DISKS, FAULT TOLERANT, FAULT TOLERANCE


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RE: CODE to trap an update statement in PL*SQL that updates 0

2001-08-09 Thread Post, Ethan

I just reviewed the link I sent you and I might not have provided enough
information.  That section of the documents discusses explicit cursors but
the is an implicit cursor called SQL which you can use to access the
attributes of the last DML statement you ran.  

SQL create table test (x number);

Table created.

SQL insert into test values (1);

1 row created.

SQL commit;

SQL ed
Wrote file afiedt.buf

  1  begin
  2 update test set x = x + 1 where x = 0;
  3 if sql%rowcount = 0 then
  4dbms_output.put_line('Nothing Found');
  5 end if;
  6 update test set x = x + 1 where x = 1;
  7 if sql%rowcount  0 then
  8dbms_output.put_line('Updated It');
  9 end if;
 10* end;
SQL /
Nothing Found
Updated It

PL/SQL procedure successfully completed.

SQL 

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Subject: CODE to trap an update statement in PL*SQL that updates 0 rows


Hello everyone..  I'm trying to trap the case where an 
update in
PL*SQL updates 0 rows. I've tried using the returning into 
clause hoping
it would put null in the returning field - but it seems to retain the
previous updates value.  Can anyone help??
 
SQL*Plus: Release 8.1.7.0.0 -
 
 
drop table test;
create table test(col1 number);
insert into test values (1);
insert into test values (3);
insert into test values (5);
insert into test values (7);
insert into test values (9);
declare
v_key  pls_integer;
cursor c is select 1 as key from dual
union
select 2 as key from dual
union
select 3 as key from dual;
begin
for x in c loop
begin
v_key:=null;
Update  test set col1=x.key
where col1=x.key
returning col1 into v_key;
---
--- Put trap code here when 0 rows updated
--
dbms_output.put_line('curr'|| x.key||' '|| v_key);
end;
end loop;
end;
/

 
Table dropped.
 

Table created.
 

1 row created.
 

1 row created.
 

1 row created.
 

1 row created.
 

1 row created.
 
curr1 1
curr2 1
curr3 3
 
PL/SQL procedure successfully completed.
 
Todd Thompson
 
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autoextent??

2001-08-09 Thread Raghu Kota




Hi Friends

Which data dictionary view will tell, Whether my tablespace datafiles are 
AUTOEXENTD OR NOT??


Thanks
Raghu.


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RE: OT Dorothy Parker :)

2001-08-09 Thread John Lewis

We did that about 8 months ago. 'They' promised my load 
would not increase. Hah!

I'm looking for another position now. Problem is, it's a tight
market.

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Congratulations on your survival Shrek.  Having more work is better than
having NO work.

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geez, is it friday yet?  i hope so, cuz we just got done laying off 25% of
the people here.

same work + less people := get-out-of-dodge-NOW.


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RE: List slow today?

2001-08-09 Thread Kevin Lange

if Unix Sucks  then what must Windows do ..


And besides ..  If Unix Sucks ...  it sucks The Best ...  None
of this half-assed suckedness.  (a word ??)

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Let's face it.  The only decent operating system was TRS-DOS. :o

Just doing my part!

--Michael

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how about this:
 
unix sucks.
 
that ought to generate a little bit of traffic.
 
hth.
 
Paul
 

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Other than during IOUG-A, I haven't seen this few messages.  Is my mail
server eating messages or is it just a slow day?
 
Stephen 


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