Re: HELP HELP HELP HELP !!!!!!

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Re: HELP HELP HELP HELP !!!!!!

2002-04-11 Thread DBarbour
What version of Oracle are you using, what is your operating system, and what happened to cause you to resart the server several times? I don't think that's going to help you, in fact it may make things worse. Looks like Oracle is trying to perform an instance recovery from a crash and applying redo logs. Be patient and let it do it's thing.Of course if you're on NT/W2K you may have to stop the Oracle Service, delete the password file and Oracle Service, then recreate the service. David A. BarbourOracle DBA, OCPAISD512-414-1002Ali TOYGAR [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED]04/10/2002 10:28 PM PSTPlease respond to ORACLE-L To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc:  bcc:  Subject: HELP HELP HELP HELP !! I faced with following error. ORA-01033: Oracle startup or shutdown in progressWhat is the problem. I restart server again and again but problem is not solved.Please HELP ME. --
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RE: HELP HELP HELP HELP !!!!!!

2002-04-11 Thread Simon Waibale

Always try to use a meaningful subject! When ny mail recipe rules (  my
consciuos) see a subject like this, its is interpreted for spam or virus mail
hence ignored/deleted - could have done better with:

Back to the topic:
Check the OS logs also for possible cause of loss of services.
A clip into your logs will be helpful to us.
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subtract minute from date/time

2002-04-11 Thread John Dunn

I want to subtract a  minute from a date/time

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Re: subtract minute from date/time

2002-04-11 Thread Jack van Zanen


date-1/(24*60*60)

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RE: subtract minute from date/time

2002-04-11 Thread Hatzistavrou Giannis

I know that if you have a date field then you can get the hour using the
formula

date_field/60/60/24 thus to get the minutes will be date_field/60/60



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Re: subtract minute from date/time

2002-04-11 Thread Jan Pruner

select to_number(to_char(sysdate, 'MI')) from dual;

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RE: subtract minute from date/time

2002-04-11 Thread Nicoll, Iain (Calanais)

date_fld - 1/1440

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Re: subtract minute from date/time

2002-04-11 Thread prem

To subtract a minute you can do it this way

select to_char(sysdate,'DD-MON- HH24:mi:ss') ,
to_char((sysdate - 1/(24*60)),'DD-MON- HH24:mi:ss')
from dual;

Hope this answers your query








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Re: subtract minute from date/time

2002-04-11 Thread Volkan YILDIRIM



Try this query:

select to_char (sysdate - (1/(24*60) * 5),'HH24:MI:SS') from dual;
   ^
this subtracts 5 mins from current date time.





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RE: disk subsystem performance question

2002-04-11 Thread paquette stephane

I just started a couple days ago at this client. 
They're using Hitachi technology in the QA and prod
environment with 181G disk. I asked the SA twice and
he confirmed the 181 G disk.

I'll ask more details to the SA as soon as I know him
better.



 --- Deshpande, Kirti [EMAIL PROTECTED]
a écrit :  John,
  I agree with the 18GB drives implementation and
 pushing for more 'parity
 groups'. That's what we did. Now, HDS was back to
 sell more disk and backup
 soultions to us. I am not sure what we have agreed
 to purchase. A cache of
 10GB for the 400GB database is nothing. I bet you
 will have tables larger
 than the cache size. A single FTS on these tables
 will flush the whole
 cache... We have 16GB cache (I think I remember that
 right, and is the max
 for 7700E), and that is not enough for several
 servers that the cabinet
 supports. 
 
 - Kirti 
 
 -Original Message-
 Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 7:08 PM
 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
 
 
 
 Thanks for all the replies.  We are determined
 to lay out the data as
 well as we can across the disks we are about to
 purchase - with the goal of
 striping across array groups and smaller, faster
 drives. The real
 argument for us is 18GB vs. 73GB disk drives and how
 we can stripe. The
 Hitachi is configured into groups of 4 physical
 disks called parity
 groups and you can choose RAID 5 or RAID 1+0 for
 that 4 disk set.If
 you have 73GB drives in a 4-disk RAID 5
 configuration you get roughly 219GB
 of usable space in each parity group (this is what
 we are being told is the
 best option for us).This means our heavily
 concurrently accessed 400GB
 production database goes on 2 parity groups (2 sets
 of 4 disks).  To
 me, this sounds like a nightmare waiting to happen
 and we are trying to
 stop it.The 18GB drives are less capacity but we
 can get ourselves
 spread over more parity groups for better
 concurrency. We do have about
 10GB of cache but it is being shared across the
 enterprise with various
 other applications.  We as a DBA group are
 really trying to sell the
 18GB RAID 1+0 drive solution especially after
 reading the groups'
 experiences - unfortunately we are fighting a lot of
 marketing hype.
 
 If anyone has additional experiences or feedback
 with Hitachi or EMC they
 would like to share or comments (agree/disagree)
 with my thoughts, I'd love
 to hear them.   I'm open for learning!
 
 Thanks,
 
 John Dailey
 Oracle DBA
 ING Americas - Application Services
 Atlanta, GA
 
 
 
 
  
 
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 Short answer - NO!  Nobody's disk subsystem is so
 fast that no intelligence
 is required in the layout.  This is common vendor
 blather and one of the
 most popular myths.  I have been hearing it for at
 least six years - and it
 still isn't true.  Layout still makes a huge
 difference.  RAID levels still
 make a huge difference.  Cache won't solve all your
 problems (it does help
 though).  I've redone the disk layout on some of the
 biggest, fastest
 fully-loaded with cache EMC Syms available that had
 some don't worry about
 it layout and seen database throughput go up by as
 much as 8x.
 
 See Gaja's whitepaper on RAID at
 http://www.quest.com/whitepapers/Raid1.pdf
 .
 
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 [certifiable oraSaurus]
 
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  Hi all,
 
  We are running both a Hitachi 7700E and a 9960
 disk subsystem here and we
  are getting ready to move our production DBs from
 the old(7700E) to the
  new(9960) Hitachi.  We have had trouble in the
 past on the 7700E due
 to
  disk contention and layout, i.e. we weren't
 striped across the array
 groups
  very well this caused pretty poor I/O
 performance.This has
 been
  a learning experience for the DBAs and the SAs
 here for the logical vs.
  physical aspects of our disks.  Anyway, to
 make a long story short,
 we
  are ordering disk for the move to the 9960 and we
 have 2 choices in disk
  sizes - 18GB and 73GB, and 2 choices in RAID - 1+0
 and 5. I would
 like
  to get the smaller, faster 18GB drives in a RAID
 1+0 configuration and
  stripe our data across the array groups as wide as
 possible. However,
 I
  am running into objections from the Hitachi people
 that their system is
  s fast we need not worry about such minor
 

Re: subtract minute from date/time

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Utl_file

2002-04-11 Thread Roland . Skoldblom

Hallo,

Is it possible to do a select from some tables in the database and then use utl_file 
package to create an excel file. And also to make the headers in the columns bold and 
right positioned. Please give me an easy example on how to write the code.

Thanks in advance


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RE: Does index need rebuilding when table is truncated

2002-04-11 Thread Ron Rogers

Good point Robert,
 The reason the index space still exists after a lot of deletes is the
method the index is stored in the database. very similar to the old
organization chart of a large corporation. If you eliminate all of the
people between the CEO and the janitor you still have the multiple
levels displayed on the chart. The may be vacant and just pointers to
the next lower level but the still exist on the chart. Indexes are
stored the same way. One block points to the next and so forth from the
top to the bottom. Remove all of the data between the two and the path
from the top to the bottom still exists thus the index storage is still
used. If you export the data, truncate the table and import the data the
path becomes top-to-bottom one step and the old index storage area is
freed up. The janitor then reports directly to the CEO.
Ron
ROR mª¿ªm

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/09/02 06:33PM 
There is not a HWM indicator for an index as there is for a table.
When a truncate occurs, the blocks are cleared in the index and the
extents (beyond the initial extent) are deallocated (assuming you do
not
issue the reuse storage clause). 

RF

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Hello,

Lisa, what I was wondering when I read Rick's e-mail was... what about
the
HWM for the indexes when someone truncates a table. The table's HWM
pointer
gets reset of course, but I can never recall seeing anything about
what
happens to the index space.

Thank you,

Paul Sherman
DBA
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Hi Rick, 

Nope.  Try it.  You'll see that the extents clear up just like the
extents
in the table do, if you don't specify the REUSE STORAGE clause.

Lisa Koivu
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 I know if you delete lots of data using delete the indexes may need
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RE: subtract minute from date/time

2002-04-11 Thread Simon . Anderson



I'm glad its not just me thats having a bad morning making the numbers work...

My understanding of it goes something like this:

When working with date/times, oracle considers 1 to mean One day.

There are 24 hours in every day, so to get the figure for one hour you use 1/24
eg sysdate - 1/24 would give you the time one hour ago.

There are 60 minutes in each hour, so one minute is 1/(24*60) Which is 24 hours
times 60 minutes

Similarly, if you wanted seconds there are 60 in each minute, so 1 second is
1/(24*60*60)
Thats one day divided by (number of hours in a day * number of minutes in an
hour * number of seconds in a minute)

You can probably do the same thing with decimals, but the numbers are messy.  If
Oracle handled anything smaller than a second, we'd probably start seeing issues
with rounding errors...

Hope thats clear and I haven't made any obvious mistakes.

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I want to subtract a  minute from a date/time

How can I do this?

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PLS-00201: identifier 'SYS.DBMS_AQ' must be declared

2002-04-11 Thread Shibu





Hi all.

I am using the package dbms_aq in 
a pl/sql program and it's working fine but when i 
changed the same program into a trigger
it's showing the error 
PLS-00201: identifier 'SYS.DBMS_AQ' must be 
declared.

I have granted execute permission 
on dbms_aq to that user . Do i need to grant any more 
permission at access 
dbms_aq in a trigger ...??? If 
so which privilege or role should i grant ?? 

Please help.

Thanks in advance 

regards,
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Re: Utl_file

2002-04-11 Thread Connor McDonald

utl_file.put_line(file_id,
   col1||','||
   col2||','||
   col3);
etc

for a CSV file

hth
connor


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RE: Does index need rebuilding when table is truncated

2002-04-11 Thread Connor McDonald

But the original poster was referring to a truncate

... aka Enron using your metaphor :-)

Cheers
Connor

 --- Ron Rogers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Good
point Robert,
  The reason the index space still exists after a lot
 of deletes is the
 method the index is stored in the database. very
 similar to the old
 organization chart of a large corporation. If you
 eliminate all of the
 people between the CEO and the janitor you still
 have the multiple
 levels displayed on the chart. The may be vacant and
 just pointers to
 the next lower level but the still exist on the
 chart. Indexes are
 stored the same way. One block points to the next
 and so forth from the
 top to the bottom. Remove all of the data between
 the two and the path
 from the top to the bottom still exists thus the
 index storage is still
 used. If you export the data, truncate the table and
 import the data the
 path becomes top-to-bottom one step and the old
 index storage area is
 freed up. The janitor then reports directly to the
 CEO.
 Ron
 ROR mª¿ªm
 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/09/02 06:33PM 
 There is not a HWM indicator for an index as there
 is for a table.
 When a truncate occurs, the blocks are cleared in
 the index and the
 extents (beyond the initial extent) are deallocated
 (assuming you do
 not
 issue the reuse storage clause). 
 
 RF
 
 -Original Message-
 Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 5:52 PM
 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
 
 
 Hello,
 
 Lisa, what I was wondering when I read Rick's e-mail
 was... what about
 the
 HWM for the indexes when someone truncates a table.
 The table's HWM
 pointer
 gets reset of course, but I can never recall seeing
 anything about
 what
 happens to the index space.
 
 Thank you,
 
 Paul Sherman
 DBA
 voice -  781-501-4143 (office)
 fax-  781-278-8341 (office)
 email - [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 5:33 PM
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 Hi Rick, 
 
 Nope.  Try it.  You'll see that the extents clear up
 just like the
 extents
 in the table do, if you don't specify the REUSE
 STORAGE clause.
 
 Lisa Koivu
 Oracle Database Tank
 Fairfield Resorts, Inc.
 954-935-4117
 
 
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Re: Utl_file

2002-04-11 Thread Igor Neyman

Connor,

Do you really think, that Roland will be satisfied with your reply ?:-)

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col1||','||
col2||','||
col3);
 etc
 
 for a CSV file
 
 hth
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comming down the pipe

2002-04-11 Thread Ron Rogers

List,
 I just returned from a 9i seminar and in one of the presentations a
NEW version of Oracle was briefly discussed, 10i. It is planned to be
able to handle the buffer cache, memory allocation, datafiles,
tablespaces , etc, etc automatically and efficiently. There were
many other items mentioned and I could not write them down and pay
attention. The expected time frame is the next 2 years.

 The 9i release 2 is expected to hit the Oracle Store June 2002.

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Re: TKPROF?

2002-04-11 Thread Ora NT DBA

I have heard two different ones, no idea if either is correct :-)

trace kernel profiler
transient kernel profiler

John

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Re: disk subsystem performance question

2002-04-11 Thread CHRIS FARMER

Marie, there is a thread going on this Oracle list about disk subsystem speed, I am 
going to forward a couple of the responses to you.  I think that it is reiterating 
that we need to have raid 0+1 in our PROD environment.

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 files, archive logs,  conrtol files it made a dramatic difference in DB
 performance. Hitachi  some Sa's don't want to set up RAID 1+0 because
 it makes more work for them than a RAID 5 install.

Within the last month our development box was switched from RAID-1 to
RAID-5 because additional disk capacity was required. The big data
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No DBAs needed on AS400

2002-04-11 Thread Jay Hostetter

We are going through a merger, and management is looking to eliminate positions.  Here 
is a brief summary of my discussion with the new director of IT:

Director: Back when I we were using an AS400, we didn't need a DBA.
Me: Then you probably were just using files.
Director: No, it was a database.
Me: Could you issue SQL commands?
Director: Yes.  But we didn't need a DBA.  I guess it was just one of those mysteries 
of life.


My thoughts are that he is using the term database in the generic sense of the word 
(our files are our database), or he was using some proprietary database that doesn't 
even begin to compare to Oracle.

For those of you who know AS400s, I would appreciate some insight that would 
demonstrate why he needs to keep me as a DBA.

Thanks,
Jay


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RE: TKPROF?

2002-04-11 Thread Paul Baumgartel

I thought it was Trace Kernel Profiler.

PB

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Re:RE: comming down the pipe

2002-04-11 Thread dgoulet

I'll believe it when I see it.  Oracle, like MicroSlop, is into vaporware too.

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We have a bug in 9012 that we were asking for backport, but were told it is
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get 9013 even compiled on aix, so we are still at 9012. IIRC in 10i the
system tablespace3 becomes LMT I guess. 

Oh and before I forget, you won't need a DBA for 10i either.

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RE: No DBAs needed on AS400

2002-04-11 Thread Mercadante, Thomas F

Jay,

I would provide a list of functions you perform daily and what would happen
if they are not  completed in a timely manner.

I would also update my resume.  Sounds like a pretty naive director of IT.
Either he/she is making a play to move you out and get a prior buddy in
place, or is a complete idiot, thinking of short-term money savings but is
completely unaware of long-term result.

Tom Mercadante
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We are going through a merger, and management is looking to eliminate
positions.  Here is a brief summary of my discussion with the new director
of IT:

Director: Back when I we were using an AS400, we didn't need a DBA.
Me: Then you probably were just using files.
Director: No, it was a database.
Me: Could you issue SQL commands?
Director: Yes.  But we didn't need a DBA.  I guess it was just one of those
mysteries of life.


My thoughts are that he is using the term database in the generic sense of
the word (our files are our database), or he was using some proprietary
database that doesn't even begin to compare to Oracle.

For those of you who know AS400s, I would appreciate some insight that would
demonstrate why he needs to keep me as a DBA.

Thanks,
Jay


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Re: comming down the pipe

2002-04-11 Thread Paul Baumgartel

Wasn't that expression originally coming down the pike, as in
turnpike?  :-)

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OT: Oracle to DB2 books?

2002-04-11 Thread Brian Wisniewski

I checked bookpool and amazon and can't seem to find any decent books
for experienced DBA's who need to learn UDB/DB2.  Has anyone found a
decent book for Oracle DBA's needing to learn UDB?  Since my company
has chosen UDB for 'strategic' reasons on an upcoming project I need to
learn this product.  I'm about to download IBM's CBT but would like to
have a book to read also.

Thanks - Brian

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RE: No DBAs needed on AS400

2002-04-11 Thread April Wells

From discussions that I have had here, DB2 on the AS-400 IS implemented as
indexed flat files against which you write sql.  It IS a database (says
rdbms right on the box).

Insight... I'm not sure why he is tied to the AS-400... 

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We are going through a merger, and management is looking to eliminate
positions.  Here is a brief summary of my discussion with the new director
of IT:

Director: Back when I we were using an AS400, we didn't need a DBA.
Me: Then you probably were just using files.
Director: No, it was a database.
Me: Could you issue SQL commands?
Director: Yes.  But we didn't need a DBA.  I guess it was just one of those
mysteries of life.


My thoughts are that he is using the term database in the generic sense of
the word (our files are our database), or he was using some proprietary
database that doesn't even begin to compare to Oracle.

For those of you who know AS400s, I would appreciate some insight that would
demonstrate why he needs to keep me as a DBA.

Thanks,
Jay


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RE: No DBAs needed on AS400

2002-04-11 Thread Karniotis, Stephen

On the AS400 IBM created DB2/400 that allowed DB2 to be ported to that
platform.  If they are not running DB2 on that platform, then they are using
CICS-400 with VSAM files.  Now.  If you are performing queries from Oracle
to DB2 (SQL Queries), that is being performed through Oracle's gateway
product.

  If not, then they have installed DB2.  

Thank You

Stephen P. Karniotis
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Does it have DB2 as the database?

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We are going through a merger, and management is looking to eliminate
positions.  Here is a brief summary of my discussion with the new director
of IT:

Director: Back when I we were using an AS400, we didn't need a DBA.
Me: Then you probably were just using files.
Director: No, it was a database.
Me: Could you issue SQL commands?
Director: Yes.  But we didn't need a DBA.  I guess it was just one of those
mysteries of life.


My thoughts are that he is using the term database in the generic sense of
the word (our files are our database), or he was using some proprietary
database that doesn't even begin to compare to Oracle.

For those of you who know AS400s, I would appreciate some insight that would
demonstrate why he needs to keep me as a DBA.

Thanks,
Jay


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Re: No DBAs needed on AS400

2002-04-11 Thread KENNETH JANUSZ

I believe they have a form of DB2 called DB/400 (or something like that).  I
don't think Oracle runs on this platform.  The Progress RDMS ran on it at
one time, but it was a mess, so not anymore.

My $0.02 worth,
Ken Janusz, CPIM

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Does it have DB2 as the database?

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We are going through a merger, and management is looking to eliminate
positions.  Here is a brief summary of my discussion with the new director
of IT:

Director: Back when I we were using an AS400, we didn't need a DBA.
Me: Then you probably were just using files.
Director: No, it was a database.
Me: Could you issue SQL commands?
Director: Yes.  But we didn't need a DBA.  I guess it was just one of those
mysteries of life.


My thoughts are that he is using the term database in the generic sense of
the word (our files are our database), or he was using some proprietary
database that doesn't even begin to compare to Oracle.

For those of you who know AS400s, I would appreciate some insight that would
demonstrate why he needs to keep me as a DBA.

Thanks,
Jay


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bytes per extent

2002-04-11 Thread Ray Stell

Is there a query to get the number of bytes used and free 
in an each extent?  
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Re: No DBAs needed on AS400

2002-04-11 Thread mkb

It's been a while since I actually worked on a AS400
but from my understanding, DB2 is integrated into
OS400, the operating system for the AS400.  

In the System/36 and System/38 worlds, you used RPG
and a bunch of other utilities to create your programs
and files.  The files were flat files and I think when
AS400 came out, this concept was still in place except
now the files were stored in a database - DB2.

I have seen one application on an AS400.  There was no
RI, no procs or triggers.  The application had its
roots in a System/36 system and had been re-written
for the AS400.  All the logic was in the app and DB2
just stored the data.

Yes, you can run a utility (strsql I think) that
brings up a screen and you can query the tables stored
in the database using plain SQL.  You can also bypass
the app and directly insert/update/delete data aswell.

hth

mkb


--- Jay Hostetter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
 We are going through a merger, and management is
 looking to eliminate positions.  Here is a brief
 summary of my discussion with the new director of
 IT:
 
 Director: Back when I we were using an AS400, we
 didn't need a DBA.
 Me: Then you probably were just using files.
 Director: No, it was a database.
 Me: Could you issue SQL commands?
 Director: Yes.  But we didn't need a DBA.  I guess
 it was just one of those mysteries of life.
 
 
 My thoughts are that he is using the term database
 in the generic sense of the word (our files are
 our database), or he was using some proprietary
 database that doesn't even begin to compare to
 Oracle.
 
 For those of you who know AS400s, I would appreciate
 some insight that would demonstrate why he needs to
 keep me as a DBA.
 
 Thanks,
 Jay
 
 
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RE: insert performance

2002-04-11 Thread DENNIS WILLIAMS

Paul - How many insert processes did you run on each system? Is the disk
layout identical in terms of spreading across devices?
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Greetings!

I am trying to diagnose a performance difference between two databases
running the same test.  They are similarly configured (same SGA size,
etc.), and the servers are identical except for the number of CPUs
(server A has 4, server B has 6).

On database A, INSERT performance is about 190 rows/second.

On database B, INSERT performance is over 500 rows/second.

I saw some cache buffers chains, buffer busy, and library cache latch
waits on database A while the test was running, as well as redo log
sync waits.  The waits didn't seem excessive, though.  I checked for
checkpoint not complete redo allocation messages in database A's
alert log and found none.  The db_block_lru_latches parameter is set to
one-half the number of CPUs in both machines.  

I'd much appreciate any suggestions as to what else to check.  I know
that freelists can be an issue (there are multiple sessions performing
inserts); how can I check to see if there's freelist contention? 
Anything else I should investigate?

Many TIA,





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Re: No DBAs needed on AS400

2002-04-11 Thread Alex


So you can cover his ass when a problem happens.

On Thu, 11 Apr 2002, Jay Hostetter wrote:

 We are going through a merger, and management is looking to eliminate positions.  
Here is a brief summary of my discussion with the new director of IT:
 
 Director: Back when I we were using an AS400, we didn't need a DBA.
 Me: Then you probably were just using files.
 Director: No, it was a database.
 Me: Could you issue SQL commands?
 Director: Yes.  But we didn't need a DBA.  I guess it was just one of those 
mysteries of life.
 
 
 My thoughts are that he is using the term database in the generic sense of the 
word (our files are our database), or he was using some proprietary database that 
doesn't even begin to compare to Oracle.
 
 For those of you who know AS400s, I would appreciate some insight that would 
demonstrate why he needs to keep me as a DBA.
 
 Thanks,
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RE: Oracle to DB2 books?

2002-04-11 Thread DENNIS WILLIAMS

Brian - you might check IBM's Web site. They have typically been generous
with their information. Another resource would be to start getting familiar
with DB2 newslists.
Dennis Williams
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I checked bookpool and amazon and can't seem to find any decent books
for experienced DBA's who need to learn UDB/DB2.  Has anyone found a
decent book for Oracle DBA's needing to learn UDB?  Since my company
has chosen UDB for 'strategic' reasons on an upcoming project I need to
learn this product.  I'm about to download IBM's CBT but would like to
have a book to read also.

Thanks - Brian

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Re: redo_size values in v$sysstat

2002-04-11 Thread Anjo Kolk

Glenn,

The buffer cache hit ratio is meaning less, not only after startup but any time you 
calculate it. I am pretty sure that I am not the first one and probably not the last 
one saying that on this mailing list.

Now about the claim of why you need to wait until 10i to get this fixed, has probably 
something to do with the fact of how the SGA is allocated on the HP platform.  Any 
change in the layout of the fixed SGA will mean a recompile of the code on HP.

Now it looks to me that the upper 4 bytes of the 8 bytes have been set to -1:
18446744069434437169
012EEE31
18446744052688746229
FFFB1B0FF6F5

So you probably could adjust for that 

Anjo.




Glenn Travis wrote:

 I sent a message last week regarding our values in the v$sysstat table being WAY too 
large;
 physical_reads = 18,446,744,069,434,437,169
 db_block_gets, physical_reads_direct, physical_writes_direct also.

 This prevents us from running the db cache hit ratio queries.

 I logged a tar with Oracle and they said it was a bug (#1713403).  It is caused by 
an overflow in v$sysstat when the amount of generated redo grows over 2GB.  They say 
this bug can't be fixed (at least not until 10i!).  I am running on 8.1.7 (HP-UX11).

 If you are on 8i, could you query the v$sysstat table and let me know if anyone else 
is seeing this problem?

 col name for a20
 col value for 999,999,999,999,999,999,999
 select name,value from v$sysstat
 where name in ('redo size', 'physical reads', 'db block gets')
 /
 NAMEVALUE
  
 db block gets  18,446,743,996,920,309,855
 physical reads 18,446,744,052,688,746,229
 redo size  17,049,609,736

 I find it unacceptable that Oracle would ignore this until 10i.  The only time I can 
get a cache hit ratio is when I first start up the database (which doesn't mean 
anything).  I know hit ratios are overrated and we look at waits more for performance 
tuning (read all the articles), but it is still frustrating nonetheless.
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RE: comming down the pipe

2002-04-11 Thread Boivin, Patrice J

It wasn't awl pike, as in the 20 - 30 ft long Swiss pikes used in the late
middle ages?

Never mind.

What's a turnpike???

I know nothing.

Regards,
Patrice Boivin
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Wasn't that expression originally coming down the pike, as in
turnpike?  :-)

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Re: bytes per extent

2002-04-11 Thread Ruth Gramolini

Here is a script that I got from another lister.  Hope it is what you're
looking for.

column tsname format a25 heading 'Tablespace Name'
column tot format 99,999,999 heading 'Size (K)'
column fsp Format 99,999,999 heading 'Free (K)'
column csp Format 999,999 heading 'Free|Extents'
column msp Format 9,999,999 heading 'Max Free|Ext (K)'
column pctused Format 999.99 heading '% Used'

column tsno noprint
compute sum of tot fsp on report
break on report

select
  fi.tablespace_name  tsname,
  sum(fi.bytes)/1024 tot,
  iv.free/1024  fsp,
  ((SUM(fi.bytes)-iv.free)/SUM(fi.bytes))*100 pctused,
  iv.no_of_exts csp,
  iv.max/1024 msp
from
  dba_data_files fi,
  (
select
  t.tablespace_name,
  NVL(MAX(f.bytes),0) max,
  NVL(sum(f.bytes),0) free,
  count(f.bytes) no_of_exts
from
  sys.dba_free_space f,
  sys.dba_tablespaces t
where
  t.tablespace_name=f.tablespace_name(+)
  and t.status != 'INVALID'
group by
  t.tablespace_name
  ) iv
where
  fi.tablespace_name = iv.tablespace_name
GROUP BY
  fi.tablespace_name,
  iv.free,
  iv.no_of_exts,
  iv.max
ORDER BY
  fi.tablespace_name
/

clear breaks
clear columns
clear computes


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Ruth
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 Is there a query to get the number of bytes used and free
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RE: No DBAs needed on AS400

2002-04-11 Thread DENNIS WILLIAMS

Jay - I can see the manager's confusion. After all, one expects computers to
become easier and require less effort to maintain as time goes by. I
forwarded your question to another list that has some AS/400 programmers.
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On the AS400 you can run queries and use SQL even though the machine is
configured to use files. Under the covers it is still AS400/DB2.
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The AS/400 has a full-featured database built into the operating system.
Originally it didn't even have a name but IBM started calling it DB2/400
when they found out that some people didn't know it was there. And you don't
need a DBA. Virtually all the functions that are performed by a DBA on an
Oracle database, for example, are handled automatically by the AS/400 under
the covers.
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We are going through a merger, and management is looking to eliminate
positions.  Here is a brief summary of my discussion with the new director
of IT:

Director: Back when I we were using an AS400, we didn't need a DBA.
Me: Then you probably were just using files.
Director: No, it was a database.
Me: Could you issue SQL commands?
Director: Yes.  But we didn't need a DBA.  I guess it was just one of those
mysteries of life.


My thoughts are that he is using the term database in the generic sense of
the word (our files are our database), or he was using some proprietary
database that doesn't even begin to compare to Oracle.

For those of you who know AS400s, I would appreciate some insight that would
demonstrate why he needs to keep me as a DBA.

Thanks,
Jay


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Re:No DBAs needed on AS400

2002-04-11 Thread dgoulet

Jay,

We still have one of those dinosaurs running here called HP's TurboImage
database.  It also does not need a DBA, actually it does not understand what a
DBA is.  The database is hierachtical with the constraints set during
creation.  I constantly have fun with the older ManMan developers as we move
them into PeopleSoft.  They have no idea of what's going on under the covers. 
SQL is a foreign language to them, their all use to TurboImage intrinsics and a
SQL*Plus look alike tool called Quiz.  It's kind of fun, you have to use a
dataset (they call them databases), report out columns, and then set conditions.
 Kind of like writing SQL with the from clause first.  This type of structure
has to be carried into the application programs as well, namely you've got to
call the dbopen intrinsic before you can use a dataset.  BTW, that's in C syntax
'dbopen(MANDB.MDATABAS.MMV090)' (the HP3000 MPEi/x directory structure is kind
of strange).  There is no such thing as rollback or read consistent view and
recovery consists of going back to the last backup, all of which are cold, and
having everyone re-enter their transactions.  OH, yes, there is no such thing as
a user.  If you have the ability to loggon to the HP3000, you can use the
database and everything is wide open.  No ideas of security.  Problem with
TurboImage is that to modify a database you have to rebuild it using an HP
utility and then you have to rebuild all of your application programs, or else
they crash.  Developers do that task as needed and when they mess up, well all
hell can and does break loose.  Also you need to run these third party utilities
each night so that there is room for the dataset to grow and you have to fix
broken chains all the time.  There is no concept of an instance either.  Your
application program directly accesses the data files/datasets, so 'impeded'
sessions are a common occurance and if an application messes up it can require a
system reboot to clear the problems.  Sure you don't need a DBA, but you sure as
heck need an operator.  Problem is that most operators don't get paid as well as
a DBA.  If your new CIO is in that mindset I'd recommend polishing your resume,
cause your gonna need it.

Dick Goulet

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Author: Jay Hostetter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date:   4/11/2002 5:54 AM

We are going through a merger, and management is looking to eliminate positions.
 Here is a brief summary of my discussion with the new director of IT:

Director: Back when I we were using an AS400, we didn't need a DBA.
Me: Then you probably were just using files.
Director: No, it was a database.
Me: Could you issue SQL commands?
Director: Yes.  But we didn't need a DBA.  I guess it was just one of those
mysteries of life.


My thoughts are that he is using the term database in the generic sense of the
word (our files are our database), or he was using some proprietary database
that doesn't even begin to compare to Oracle.

For those of you who know AS400s, I would appreciate some insight that would
demonstrate why he needs to keep me as a DBA.

Thanks,
Jay


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RE: No DBAs needed on AS400

2002-04-11 Thread Gogala, Mladen

Just tell him that with AS400 one doesn't need a CIO
either and that will be the end of that. AS400 is a closed 
system, perfect for running canned apps, maintained by somebody
and is, in essence, equivalent of outsourcing. For that,
you don't need to have an IT, just a person to manage the contract.
If the business need to adjust the applications frequently and to 
create it's own solution, AS400 would be just a little bit awkward,
not to mention the fact that programmers knowing AS400 are very hard 
to come across and usually demand a premium salary.

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 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
 Subject: No DBAs needed on AS400
 
 
 We are going through a merger, and management is looking to 
 eliminate positions.  Here is a brief summary of my 
 discussion with the new director of IT:
 
 Director: Back when I we were using an AS400, we didn't need a DBA.
 Me: Then you probably were just using files.
 Director: No, it was a database.
 Me: Could you issue SQL commands?
 Director: Yes.  But we didn't need a DBA.  I guess it was 
 just one of those mysteries of life.
 
 
 My thoughts are that he is using the term database in the 
 generic sense of the word (our files are our database), or 
 he was using some proprietary database that doesn't even 
 begin to compare to Oracle.
 
 For those of you who know AS400s, I would appreciate some 
 insight that would demonstrate why he needs to keep me as a DBA.
 
 Thanks,
 Jay
 
 
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Re: Favourite Urban Myth

2002-04-11 Thread Jared Still


He would have used 'renice' if we had let him have root.

Jared

On Wednesday 10 April 2002 09:33, Alan Davey wrote:
 You mean he didn't use the 'nice' command?

 ;^)
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Re:bytes per extent

2002-04-11 Thread dgoulet

None that I aware of, but check out DBMS_SPACE.

Dick Goulet

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Is there a query to get the number of bytes used and free 
in an each extent?  
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Currently log-in users

2002-04-11 Thread Nguyen, David M

How do I check who is currently logging into database, where he is accessing
from and what he is doing?

Thanks,
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RE: No DBAs needed on AS400

2002-04-11 Thread Stephane Faroult

Jay,

  The AS400 machines are the heirs to the System 38 machines which were themselves 
derived from a 'Future System' which was so revolutionary that it was killed off by 
the IBM marketing on the eve of announcement for fear that it would frighten their 
System 360/370 customers (the cost of migrating to competition wouldn't have been 
higher than migrating to the 'future system' and they didn't take the risk). The 
operating system indeed has a built-in RDBMS, which may not have all the features of 
Oracle or UDB, but don't expect to make a bean-counter understand technical 
subtleties. After all, many people don't make the difference between Access and Oracle.
   Anyway, you have several ways to defend your position:
a) Migration. Assuming they want to switch to something else, they will need somebody 
who knows the current system well. This in turn will help you learn the new system and 
find arguments to help preserve your job.
b) Oracle doesn't need any DBA either. If you have no new application, no developer, 
if you don't upgrade anything, if volumes stay the same who needs a DBA? However, as 
soon as one of the premises is false ...

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We are going through a merger, and management is
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Director: Back when I we were using an AS400, we
didn't need a DBA.=0D
Me: Then you probably were just using files.=0D
Director: No, it was a database.=0D
Me: Could you issue SQL commands?=0D
Director: Yes.  But we didn't need a DBA.  I guess
it was just one of thos=
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My thoughts are that he is using the term
database in the generic sense o=
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was using some proprietary=
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Oracle.=0D
=0D
For those of you who know AS400s, I would
appreciate some insight that woul=
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Re: Favourite Urban Myth

2002-04-11 Thread Jared Still


Thanks, I was somehow not recognizing the part where you said
the shell script was named 'rm'.

Yeah, that would take a system down.

Here's one for you.  It's happened to me twice, many years ago.

What happens when you want to remove all of the *.txt files in a dir
and are a little slow letting go of the shift key on the *?

You get:  rm *txt

which leaves you with a directory with one empty file in it.

I learned to alter my typing habits after the second time.

Jared


On Wednesday 10 April 2002 15:19, Don Granaman wrote:
 Recursion - it called itself endlessly.  $HOME/bin (where it lived) was the
 leading element of $PATH.  After a minute or less, it was thousands of
 processes deep.  After changing it to /bin/rm -i $* it worked as
 intended.

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  ?? rm -i $*
 
  I'm having a hard time understanding why this would spawn more than one
  process.
 
  Jared
 
 
 
 
 
 
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  Do Unix admin fiascoes count?  I once had an SA do # chmod -R 700 /dev
  because he thought someone was inappropriately dinging something there.
  Can
  you imagine how many things break when /dev/null is unwritable and
  unreadable?   And when /dev/vx/rdsk/... (with a database on raw devices)
  are
  not readable or writable by Oracle?
 
  The same fellow also once changed oracle's UID and the dba GID and did a
  chown oracle:dba on all of oracle's directories and files - without
  telling
  anyone or shutting down the instances running on the server.  Oracle hung
  -
  suddenly it did not own any processes or semaphores!  (ipcrm is not the
  preferred method of shutting down oracle!)
 
  My own most embarrassing fiasco occurred many, many years ago - when I
  was fairly new to Unix.  I created a shell script named rm which did
  rm -i $*  You can imagine what happened the first time I ran it -
  processes were
  spawning faster than I could kill them, even with a script... It was
  admin by BOB time.  (BOB=Big Orange Button.)  Fortunately, it was on a
  development
  server!
 
  Don Granaman
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   On Tuesday 09 April 2002 20:03, Deshpande, Kirti wrote:
  
   Well Kirti, if you're going to morph this thread into stupid DBA
 
  tricks...
 
   We had one young fellow working for us that was new to unix.  He had
   just discovered that he could run a job in the background via '' at
 
  about
 
   the same time he was assigned the task of recompiling all of the files
   for an entire application.
  
   You can probably guess the rest.  ;)
  
   About the time he started bragging about how quickly he was able
   to recompile all of the code, we were all headed to the server room
   to find out why our dev server was suddenly so slow...
  
   Jared
  
We had one dba who (by mistake) issued a 'chown -R oracle:dba'
 
  followed
  by
 
'chmod -R 750 *' from the '/' directory while logged in as root.
Fortunately, it was a server with no production databases on it, just
 
  a
 
couple of Development databases. She never new what a '#' prompt was.
 
  She
 
is long gone but such memories linger for ever ;)
It took a while for the SA's to let Oracle DBAs get root privileges
 
  after
 
that episode.
   
And in my previous job, I had a junior DBA who tried to kill a
 
  background
 
job (%1) with 'kill -9' as root. The problem was, he forgot to put in
 
  '%'
 
before the '1'  and then came to me stating that the Server does
 
  not
 
respond anymore :( while I was talking to the Customer who had beaten
 
  him
 
to place a trouble call about 'the database just hung-up'. Is
 
  there
  a
 
Darwin Award for the Living (DBA)?   =;)
   
   
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RE: cache buffer chains contention

2002-04-11 Thread Adams, Matthew (GEA, 088130)
Title: RE: cache buffer chains contention





Would it seem likely for Oracle to be
doing ANYTHING for a full 30 seconds
without hitting another wait?



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seconds_in_wait increments every three seconds,
so if State is anything other than WAITING the
column tells you how much time has passed 
since the last wait completed. (Contrary to the
urban legend that says the value is meaningless).


There are various anomalies and oddities about
wait events, though, and if you session REALLY
is doing nothing for 30 seconds, then you've hit
one; however normally I would say that your 
session is busy doing something (from Oracle's
perspective) in that 30 seconds.



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|Ok, some guru please explain this to me.
|
|process is waiting for 'latch free' according to 
|v$session_wait and the value of P2 = 26 
|which is the cache buffer chains latch.
|(while holding the HW enqueue, with a bunch of 
|processes waiting on HW)
|
|State = 'WAITED KNOWN TIME', so I look at
|WAIT_TIME, which is 2.
|
|However, the process does not appear to be doing
|ANYTHING and the seconds in the SECONDS_IN_WAIT 
|column is increasing! This continues for about 
|30 seconds, when finally it finishes whatever
|it was doing and allows the next process to 
|grab the HW enqueue
|
|Why would SECONDS_IN_WAIT be increasing when it supposed to be
|done waiting already?
|
|
|
|
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Re: No DBAs needed on AS400

2002-04-11 Thread Marc Perkowitz

I never worked on AS400, but this aligns with what I recall.  I believe that
the System/38 was the first IBM system that had an embedded database.
(System 36 did not -- it used older technology.)  And that was used as the
basis for the AS400.  If I recall correctly, the OS used the database to
store pretty much everything including all the system parameters and data.
I believe this pre-dates DB2 and was very likely not a true relational
database -- though I could be wrong on that.  I suspect that SQL query
capabilities were added on afterwards, similar to what was done with Ingres
and Informix.  (Informix was just indexed files and you could bypass SQL and
do indexed file reads for performance reasons.  Ingres had its own query
language before SQL (QUEL?).)

You didn't need a DBA, because the OS controlled everything and I don't
think there was any ability to tune the system.  The AS400 was designed to
be pretty much a hands-off system.  Just plug it in and let it run.

Marc Perkowitz
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 It's been a while since I actually worked on a AS400
 but from my understanding, DB2 is integrated into
 OS400, the operating system for the AS400.

 In the System/36 and System/38 worlds, you used RPG
 and a bunch of other utilities to create your programs
 and files.  The files were flat files and I think when
 AS400 came out, this concept was still in place except
 now the files were stored in a database - DB2.

 I have seen one application on an AS400.  There was no
 RI, no procs or triggers.  The application had its
 roots in a System/36 system and had been re-written
 for the AS400.  All the logic was in the app and DB2
 just stored the data.

 Yes, you can run a utility (strsql I think) that
 brings up a screen and you can query the tables stored
 in the database using plain SQL.  You can also bypass
 the app and directly insert/update/delete data aswell.

 hth

 mkb


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  IT:
 
  Director: Back when I we were using an AS400, we
  didn't need a DBA.
  Me: Then you probably were just using files.
  Director: No, it was a database.
  Me: Could you issue SQL commands?
  Director: Yes.  But we didn't need a DBA.  I guess
  it was just one of those mysteries of life.
 
 
  My thoughts are that he is using the term database
  in the generic sense of the word (our files are
  our database), or he was using some proprietary
  database that doesn't even begin to compare to
  Oracle.
 
  For those of you who know AS400s, I would appreciate
  some insight that would demonstrate why he needs to
  keep me as a DBA.
 
  Thanks,
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svrmgrl vs. sqlplus

2002-04-11 Thread Michal Zaschke

Hi all,

I have problem with my oracle client on linux. Using 'svrmgrl' I can
connect to a database but if I use 'sqlplus', I get an ORA-01034 error.
Can anybody say me why? And how to repair it?

Server:
Alpha with Tru64 Unix 4.0F:
Oracle7 Server Release 7.3.4.0.0 with the 64-bit option - Production
PL/SQL Release 2.3.4.0.0 - Production

Client:
Red Hat Linux release 6.1,
Kernel 2.2.19-6.2.7enterprise on a 4-processor i686
Oracle8 Release 8.0.5.0.0 - Production
PL/SQL Release 8.0.5.0.0 - Production

If I try 'svrmgrl', it's OK:
$ svrmgrl

Oracle Server Manager Release 3.0.5.0.0 - Production

(c) Copyright 1997, Oracle Corporation.  All Rights Reserved.

Oracle8 Release 8.0.5.0.0 - Production
PL/SQL Release 8.0.5.0.0 - Production

SVRMGR connect test/test@test
Connected.
SVRMGR


But trying 'sqlplus' I get an error:
$ sqlplus test/test@test

SQL*Plus: Release 8.0.5.0.0 - Production on Thu Apr 11 16:35:46 2002

(c) Copyright 1998 Oracle Corporation.  All rights reserved.

ERROR:
ORA-01034: ORACLE not available


Help me, please.

Mike

P.S.: This error (1034) in sqlplus comes only with connecting to
Oracle7. I have no problem with connecting to Oracle8 or higher.
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RE: bytes per extent

2002-04-11 Thread Mark Leith

Here are a few scripts:

PROMPT
PROMPTShow free and used blocks allocated to table or index and indicate
HWM
PROMPT

PROMPT This script will request 2 parameters if not specified on the command
line:
PROMPT1 = owner of tables to check  (wild cards allowable)
PROMPT2 = name of table to check (wild cards allowable)

SET SERVEROUT ON SIZE 20
SET VERIFY OFF ECHO OFF

DECLARE
--
CURSOR CU_tabl IS
SELECT *
FROMall_objects
WHERE   owner LIKE UPPER('1')
and object_name LIKE UPPER('2')
and object_type IN ('TABLE','INDEX')
ORDER BY owner,object_type,object_name;
--
R_tabl CU_tabl%ROWTYPE;
--
SEGMENT_OWNER  VARCHAR2(30);
SEGMENT_NAME   VARCHAR2(30);
SEGMENT_TYPE   VARCHAR2(20);
TOTAL_BLOCKS   NUMBER  ;
TOTAL_BYTESNUMBER  ;
UNUSED_BLOCKS  NUMBER  ;
UNUSED_BYTES   NUMBER  ;
LAST_USED_EXTENT_FILE_ID   NUMBER  ;
LAST_USED_EXTENT_BLOCK_ID  NUMBER  ;
LAST_USED_BLOCKNUMBER  ;
--
FREELIST_GROUP_ID  NUMBER   ;
FREE_BLKS  NUMBER   ;
SCAN_LIMIT NUMBER   ;
--
L_temp NUMBER;
L_min_blocks NUMBER(40) DEFAULT 10;
L_act_perf BOOLEAN DEFAULT FALSE;
--
BEGIN

FOR R_tabl IN CU_tabl LOOP
--

DBMS_SPACE.UNUSED_SPACE(R_tabl.owner,R_tabl.object_name,R_tabl.object_type,
TOTAL_BLOCKS,
TOTAL_BYTES,
UNUSED_BLOCKS,
UNUSED_BYTES,
LAST_USED_EXTENT_FILE_ID,
LAST_USED_EXTENT_BLOCK_ID,
LAST_USED_BLOCK);
--
freelist_group_id := 0;
scan_limit :=99;

sys.DBMS_SPACE.FREE_BLOCKS(R_tabl.owner,R_tabl.object_name,R_tabl.object_typ
e,
FREELIST_GROUP_ID,
FREE_BLKS,
SCAN_LIMIT);
--
dbms_output.put_line('.');
dbms_output.put_line('Table
'||R_tabl.owner||'.'||R_tabl.object_name||'('||R_tabl.object_type||')');
dbms_output.put_line('Total blocks
='||TO_CHAR(TOTAL_BLOCKS,'999,999'));
dbms_output.put_line('Total bytes(k)
='||TO_CHAR(TOTAL_BYTES/1024,'999,999'));
dbms_output.put_line('Unused bytes(k)
='||TO_CHAR(UNUSED_BYTES/1024,'999,999'));
dbms_output.put_line('Blocks above HWM
='||TO_CHAR(UNUSED_BLOCKS,'999,999'));
dbms_output.put_line('Blocks below HWM
='||TO_CHAR(TOTAL_BLOCKS-UNUSED_BLOCKS-1,'999,999'));
dbms_output.put_line('Free blocks
='||TO_CHAR(FREE_BLKS,'999,999'));
IF (TOTAL_BLOCKS-1) 0 THEN
dbms_output.put_line('%free wrt used blocks
='||TO_CHAR(free_blks/(TOTAL_BLOCKS-1) * 100,'999,999')||'%');
ELSE
dbms_output.put_line('%free wrt used blocks=n/a');
END IF;
L_act_perf := TRUE;
--
END LOOP;
--
IF NOT L_act_perf THEN
dbms_output.put_line('.');
dbms_output.put_line('No tables found');
END IF;
END;
/

--SET VERIFY ON

@@GetBlockSize
column blocks_used format 9,999,999 heading Blocks used
column bk  format 9,999,999 heading Space used(k)
column rc  format 9,999,999 heading Row Count

PROMPT Count up how many actual blocks are used for a table and translate
this into kilobytes
PROMPT

select  COUNT(DISTINCT(SUBSTR(ROWID,1,8)||SUBSTR(ROWID,15,4)))
Blocks_Used ,

COUNT(DISTINCT(SUBSTR(ROWID,1,8)||SUBSTR(ROWID,15,4)))*_db_block_size/1024
bk,
COUNT(*) rc
from 1;

CLEAR COLUMNS

And GetBlockSize is:

REM Get block size from V$PARAMETER and store for use in other utilities

undef _db_block_size
column xpvx new_value _db_block_size heading Block size|(bytes) Format A10

select  p.Value xpvx
fromV$PARAMETER p
WHERE   name = 'db_block_size'
/

clear columns

All courtesy of Tim Onions I believe (but can't remember for sure)..

HTH

Mark

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Is there a query to get the number of bytes used and free
in an each extent?
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Re: No DBAs needed on AS400

2002-04-11 Thread Tim Gorman

Can't help you there.

The AS/400 evolved from the S/34, S/36, and S/38 line of IBM machines.  My
77-yr-old stepfather (at the time, 62-yrs-old) bought a S/38 for his
trucking company in NJ, complete with payroll, GL, AR, AP, etc software.  He
didn't have an IT department, needless to say.  They just wheeled the
machine in, the IBM guy set it up, then he (my stepfather) watched the IBM
guy run everything for 2-3 days, then he picked up the manual (he wasn't
even a mechanic, just a driver who built a company) and ran the system for
years until he sold the company and retired.  Did backups and everything.
Had his drivers deliver the tapes in a firebox to his two other truck
terminals.  He is always a little amused that I can make a full-time living
on computers...

It's not hyperbole -- it's fact.  IBM built some sweet machines for years,
and the AS/400 is not only easy to operate but also the fastest commercial
machine on the planet to this day.  I've always suspected that was one
reason why Oracle never bothered to port to AS/400, because DB2/400 was
waiting there to slap them silly...

Fatal flaw:  they don't talk to non-AS/400s or non-mainframes easily.  Hence
open systems.  It's an old story.  Remeber: technical merit doesn't always
win the day.  After all, just compare the relative fortunes of DEC (or IBM)
against Microsoft.

If your new director is determined to go the AS/400 route (which includes
isolating your company from just about everything except what runs on AS/400
and IBM mainframes), then you'd better brush up on your resume...

Sorry...

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We are going through a merger, and management is looking to eliminate
positions.  Here is a brief summary of my discussion with the new director
of IT:

Director: Back when I we were using an AS400, we didn't need a DBA.
Me: Then you probably were just using files.
Director: No, it was a database.
Me: Could you issue SQL commands?
Director: Yes.  But we didn't need a DBA.  I guess it was just one of those
mysteries of life.


My thoughts are that he is using the term database in the generic sense of
the word (our files are our database), or he was using some proprietary
database that doesn't even begin to compare to Oracle.

For those of you who know AS400s, I would appreciate some insight that would
demonstrate why he needs to keep me as a DBA.

Thanks,
Jay


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Re: Currently log-in users

2002-04-11 Thread Igor Neyman

Start with v$session.

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 How do I check who is currently logging into database, where he is
accessing
 from and what he is doing?

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RE: Currently log-in users

2002-04-11 Thread Farnsworth, Dave

v$session would be a good startin place.

Dave

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RE: svrmgrl vs. sqlplus

2002-04-11 Thread John Weatherman

Michal,

The only problem similar to that I have seen on 6.1 Red Hat was the result
of a
problem in the sqlnet.ora.  Are you sure the names, TRACE_LEVEL, etc that
should be the same for all the target instances (78) are the same?

Good Luck!

John

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Hi all,

I have problem with my oracle client on linux. Using 'svrmgrl' I can
connect to a database but if I use 'sqlplus', I get an ORA-01034 error.
Can anybody say me why? And how to repair it?

Server:
Alpha with Tru64 Unix 4.0F:
Oracle7 Server Release 7.3.4.0.0 with the 64-bit option - Production
PL/SQL Release 2.3.4.0.0 - Production

Client:
Red Hat Linux release 6.1,
Kernel 2.2.19-6.2.7enterprise on a 4-processor i686
Oracle8 Release 8.0.5.0.0 - Production
PL/SQL Release 8.0.5.0.0 - Production

If I try 'svrmgrl', it's OK:
$ svrmgrl

Oracle Server Manager Release 3.0.5.0.0 - Production

(c) Copyright 1997, Oracle Corporation.  All Rights Reserved.

Oracle8 Release 8.0.5.0.0 - Production
PL/SQL Release 8.0.5.0.0 - Production

SVRMGR connect test/test@test
Connected.
SVRMGR


But trying 'sqlplus' I get an error:
$ sqlplus test/test@test

SQL*Plus: Release 8.0.5.0.0 - Production on Thu Apr 11 16:35:46 2002

(c) Copyright 1998 Oracle Corporation.  All rights reserved.

ERROR:
ORA-01034: ORACLE not available


Help me, please.

Mike

P.S.: This error (1034) in sqlplus comes only with connecting to
Oracle7. I have no problem with connecting to Oracle8 or higher.
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RE: No DBAs needed on AS400

2002-04-11 Thread Farnsworth, Dave

We have DB2 running on an AS400 and have a DB2 DBA.  She does those unimportant things 
like backup/restore, source control, duhveloper control, database reorgs and all sorts 
of other junk.  She is busy all the time.

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I never worked on AS400, but this aligns with what I recall.  I believe that
the System/38 was the first IBM system that had an embedded database.
(System 36 did not -- it used older technology.)  And that was used as the
basis for the AS400.  If I recall correctly, the OS used the database to
store pretty much everything including all the system parameters and data.
I believe this pre-dates DB2 and was very likely not a true relational
database -- though I could be wrong on that.  I suspect that SQL query
capabilities were added on afterwards, similar to what was done with Ingres
and Informix.  (Informix was just indexed files and you could bypass SQL and
do indexed file reads for performance reasons.  Ingres had its own query
language before SQL (QUEL?).)

You didn't need a DBA, because the OS controlled everything and I don't
think there was any ability to tune the system.  The AS400 was designed to
be pretty much a hands-off system.  Just plug it in and let it run.

Marc Perkowitz
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 It's been a while since I actually worked on a AS400
 but from my understanding, DB2 is integrated into
 OS400, the operating system for the AS400.

 In the System/36 and System/38 worlds, you used RPG
 and a bunch of other utilities to create your programs
 and files.  The files were flat files and I think when
 AS400 came out, this concept was still in place except
 now the files were stored in a database - DB2.

 I have seen one application on an AS400.  There was no
 RI, no procs or triggers.  The application had its
 roots in a System/36 system and had been re-written
 for the AS400.  All the logic was in the app and DB2
 just stored the data.

 Yes, you can run a utility (strsql I think) that
 brings up a screen and you can query the tables stored
 in the database using plain SQL.  You can also bypass
 the app and directly insert/update/delete data aswell.

 hth

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  didn't need a DBA.
  Me: Then you probably were just using files.
  Director: No, it was a database.
  Me: Could you issue SQL commands?
  Director: Yes.  But we didn't need a DBA.  I guess
  it was just one of those mysteries of life.
 
 
  My thoughts are that he is using the term database
  in the generic sense of the word (our files are
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  database that doesn't even begin to compare to
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  For those of you who know AS400s, I would appreciate
  some insight that would demonstrate why he needs to
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OEM Error On Unix

2002-04-11 Thread Reddy, Madhusudana

Hell All,
I am seeing the following error , when I am trying to start OEM console on
HP Unix. Any Idea , what I am missing and would like to know , what is this
Management server and how to start it on HP Unix .. Thanks in advance



 ...OLE_Obj... 


Thanks,
Madhu V Reddy
Database Support Services
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Submit job last day of each month

2002-04-11 Thread Rick_Cale

Hi,

Does anyone know how I can submit a job using dbms_job the last day of each
month. I know there is a last_day function but cannot figure
how to use this correctly in dbms_job.

Thanks
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Re: Currently log-in users

2002-04-11 Thread emre . hancioglu

Hi,
You may use the view V$SESSION.

Regards

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Re: package in sqlarea

2002-04-11 Thread Tim Gorman

Thanks Mohammed!

Some comments:  tools that query from the V$SQLAREA seeking inefficient SQL
by looking at DISK_READS (i.e. physical reads or cache misses on the Buffer
Cache) and BUFFER_GETS (i.e. logical reads) can only be as effective as the
Shared SQL Area cache in the Shared Pool.  That is, your mileage may
certainly vary!

If the Shared SQL Area is being abused as a cache in any way, which can
happen multiple ways, then the effectiveness of queries against V$SQLAREA
can be severely limited.  For example, if the Shared SQL Area is being
flooded with many similar SQL statements that are only being used once and
once only, due to the lack of use of bind variables by the application,
then the cache of SQL statements may only provide you with the last 30
seconds of information in the database.  This is not very useful.  I try to
kludge around this in TOP_STMT2 by attempting to aggregate statistics for
all SQL statements which are the same to the first 60 characters of the SQL
text, but this brings up other possible distortions.

With a well-behaved application that is utilizing bind-variables, allowing
SQL statements to be cached for long periods of time, queries against
V$SQLAREA (such as in TOP_STMT2 and many of Steve Adam's scripts on IXORA)
work like magic.  The TOP_STMT2 procedure attempts to gauge the impact of
a SQL statement by comparing the values in DISK_READS against the total
physical reads (from V$SYSSTAT) and BUFFER_GETS against total logical reads
(from V$SYSSTAT).  While this estimated impact is fraught with all kinds
of inaccuracy, it still provides a pretty good indication of just how
debilitating a specific SQL statement might be on overall system resource
consumption.

---

The very best utility for SQL tuning is STATSPACK.  STATSPACK takes
snapshots of the V$ views (including V$SQLAREA) on a periodic basis
(default: 60 mins) all the time.  So, it keeps a long-term history SQL
utilization, across instance restarts and such.  Now, you can really analyze
SQL utilization and get a good measure across longer time periods.

Problem is, out of the box you only get STATSPACK's single canned report,
which only compares differences between two separate snapshots.  If these
two snapshots are intersected by an instance restart, the report does not
handle it well.  Also, in my opinion the standard STATSPACK report is about
as useful to the average person as the old BSTAT/ESTAT report.  That is, not
very useful.  It's just too much information, much of it irrelevant.  So,
just as with BSTAT/ESTAT, I consider the YAPP report from the
www.oraperf.com website to be an integral part of STATSPACK (as with
BSTAT/ESTAT).  Reading the YAPP report provides insight into whether SQL
tuning is the top issue or not, or whether wait-event bottlenecks are the
top issue or not.  Thanks Anjo!

I've customized STATSPACK to add additional columns to it's tables to store
delta or incremental change values between snapshots.  These values have
to be calculated separately from the STATSPACK.SNAP packaged procedure or
you have to be willing to modify the STATSPACK package.  Since STATSPACK is
essentially open source, this isn't hard.  It becomes a matter of style.
I prefer to leave STATSPACK components as pristine as possible to facilitate
upgrade.

Anyway, once you have calculated delta values between snapshots, you can
treat the STATSPACK tables almost like a portion of a data warehouse and do
some cool analysis queries against it.  I've adapted a version of TOP_STMT2
(called it TOP_STMT3 -- originality is not my strongpoint!) to run against
these customized delta values in STATSPACK and I'm able to accurate
monitor for offensive SQL across months of gathered data.  Cool stuff...

What a great time to be alive (and not working on AS/400!)...

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 You need to check the SQL in the procedure.

 I have the same situation. I run Tim Gornman's temp_top_stmt2.sql
 script to identify the SQL within the procedure. Statspack also
 identifies the high resource consuming SQL. IXORA also provides scripts
 to identify them.

 Shakir


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  how can I reduce the disk read . Yeah ..one more thing does the case
  of stored proc and name of bind varibales creats different entry in
  sqlarea .
 
  TIA
  Bp
 
 


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Re: svrmgrl vs. sqlplus

2002-04-11 Thread Michal Zaschke

All my sqlnet.ora is:
names.default_domain = suas.cz
sqlnet.expire_time = 10


John Weatherman wrote:
 
 Michal,
 
 The only problem similar to that I have seen on 6.1 Red Hat was the result
 of a
 problem in the sqlnet.ora.  Are you sure the names, TRACE_LEVEL, etc that
 should be the same for all the target instances (78) are the same?
 
 Good Luck!
 
 John
 
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 Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 11:38 AM
 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
 
 Hi all,
 
 I have problem with my oracle client on linux. Using 'svrmgrl' I can
 connect to a database but if I use 'sqlplus', I get an ORA-01034 error.
 Can anybody say me why? And how to repair it?
 
 Server:
 Alpha with Tru64 Unix 4.0F:
 Oracle7 Server Release 7.3.4.0.0 with the 64-bit option - Production
 PL/SQL Release 2.3.4.0.0 - Production
 
 Client:
 Red Hat Linux release 6.1,
 Kernel 2.2.19-6.2.7enterprise on a 4-processor i686
 Oracle8 Release 8.0.5.0.0 - Production
 PL/SQL Release 8.0.5.0.0 - Production
 
 If I try 'svrmgrl', it's OK:
 $ svrmgrl
 
 Oracle Server Manager Release 3.0.5.0.0 - Production
 
 (c) Copyright 1997, Oracle Corporation.  All Rights Reserved.
 
 Oracle8 Release 8.0.5.0.0 - Production
 PL/SQL Release 8.0.5.0.0 - Production
 
 SVRMGR connect test/test@test
 Connected.
 SVRMGR
 
 But trying 'sqlplus' I get an error:
 $ sqlplus test/test@test
 
 SQL*Plus: Release 8.0.5.0.0 - Production on Thu Apr 11 16:35:46 2002
 
 (c) Copyright 1998 Oracle Corporation.  All rights reserved.
 
 ERROR:
 ORA-01034: ORACLE not available
 
 Help me, please.
 
 Mike
 
 P.S.: This error (1034) in sqlplus comes only with connecting to
 Oracle7. I have no problem with connecting to Oracle8 or higher.
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Exchanging partition takes a lot of times

2002-04-11 Thread paquette stephane

I'm testing the exchange partition and it's taking 90
seconds to exchange a table containing 700 000 rows
with a partition containing also 700 000 rows.

I've noticed that SYS is doing a crazy select to check
on the PK of the tables even if I used whitout
validation in the exchange statement.

I this normal behavior ?


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Re: Currently log-in users

2002-04-11 Thread G . Plivna


Some selects You can find in
http://www.itsystems.lv/gints/dba_selects.htm

I'm sure there are websites with more scripts around the net, of course...

Gints Plivna
IT Sistçmas, Meríeïa 13, LV1050 Rîga
http://www.itsystems.lv/gints/

How do I check who is currently logging into database, where he is
accessing
from and what he is doing?

Thanks,
David





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Re: Currently log-in users

2002-04-11 Thread Joe LaCascio


Here's a good starting point.  If you want I also have a unix shell script
driver for this that does a little more formatting.

set feedback off
set heading off
set timing off
set time off
set echo off
set term off
set pagesize 256
set space 1
column username format a8
column machine format a8
column terminal format a8
column logon_time format a18
column SESSION ID format a11
column module heading FORM format a20
spool /tmp/logged_in.lst
select username,
   substr(machine,1,8),
   substr(terminal,1,8),
   to_char(logon_time,'DD-MON-YY HH:MI am') logon_time,
   ||sid||','||serial#|| SESSION ID,
   nvl(substr(module,1,20), 'Character session')
from v$session
where type = 'USER' and username != 'SYSTEM'
  and username is not null and status != 'KILLED';
spool off

prompt
prompt

spool /tmp/logged_in2.lst
select 'Total Users currently logged in'||' '||count(*) from v$session
 where type = 'USER'
   and username != 'SYSTEM';
spool off

spool /tmp/logged_in3.lst
select 'GUI users logged in: '||' '||count(*)
from v$session
where machine != ('mufasa')
and username != 'SYSTEM';
spool off
exit

Joe LaCascio
Oracle DBA, Unix Administrator
Wheaton College, MA 508.286.3405

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RE: OEM Error On Unix

2002-04-11 Thread Reddy, Madhusudana

Oops !!! Error message is missing ,
here is the error:

VTK-1000: Unable to connect to the management server server.mydomain.com.
Please verify that you have entered the correct host name and the status of
the Oracle Management Server.


Thanks
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Hell All,
I am seeing the following error , when I am trying to start OEM console on
HP Unix. Any Idea , what I am missing and would like to know , what is this
Management server and how to start it on HP Unix .. Thanks in advance



 ...OLE_Obj... 


Thanks,
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Database Support Services
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Re: migrate from 8i to 9i

2002-04-11 Thread Johnson Poovathummoottil

I think you have to use only the 8i version on EXP and
IMP in this case, as 9i EXP cannot connect to 8i
database and 9i IMP cannot read 8i EXP dmp file.


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  install Oracle.
  
  I find it useful to pre-create the tablespaces
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  users) on the new
  database, rather than let the import do that. 
 This
  gives you more control
  over where datafiles end up and do some clearup on
  unneeded users, etc.
  
  
  

  

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  3 - import it on the new one (9i)
  
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Re: disk subsystem performance question

2002-04-11 Thread Igor Neyman

Battery backup on the controller should help in this case.
If there is none, write back mode should be used (instead of write
through), loosing advantages of on-board caching (still helps with the
reads).

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 Much of the supposed 'speed' may come from onboard
 caching on the controller.  There is the minor risk
 that a crash could come after Oracle commits the data
 and before it is actually written to disk.

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  We are running both a Hitachi 7700E and a 9960 disk
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  new(9960) Hitachi.  We have had trouble in the
  past on the 7700E due to
  disk contention and layout, i.e. we weren't striped
  across the array groups
  very well this caused pretty poor I/O
  performance.This has been
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  the 7700E.  Performance
  is given a high priority here.
 
  What I would like to know is others' experience with
  disk subsystems -
  specifically Hitachi but EMC and others as well
   have you been able to
  throw the disk in and forget it or have you had
  success in getting to the
  dirty details?  Have you tested or noticed an
  improvement with smaller,
  faster drives in a disk subsystem like the Hitachi
  or have you traveled
  that path and found no noticeable improvement?
  I'm looking for either
  a) ammunition that my view is correct, or b) I'm
  wrong and we can get
  bigger drives which will make Enterprise Planning
  very happy from a $$$
  standpoint because our Hitachi capacity will last
  longer.
 
  We are running Oracle 8.1.7 / AIX 4.3.3 / Peoplesoft
  Financials version 8.
  2 production databases , one 400 GB and the other
  about 1TB. We've got
  some other production DBs but these are our big
  guys.
 
  Thanks in advance for any and all input - any help
  is greatly appreciated.
  I'd be happy to share any info we have found up to
  this point and our
  experiences on the 7700E as well if anyone is
  interested - despite the fact
  I will probably bore you to death   :-)
 
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NVARCHAR2 datatype and FK. Bug???? Feature ????

2002-04-11 Thread Vadim Gorbounov

Hi everybody, 

Oracle 8.1.7.2, Solaris. 

What is your opinion on this? Seems, Metalink doesn't have any :(

SQL create table test_pk(
  2  id nvarchar2(20) primary key
  3  );
Table created.

SQL create table test_Fk(
  2  id nvarchar2(20),
  3  constraint c_test_FK foreign key(id) references test_pk(id) on delete
cascade);
Table created.

SQL insert into test_pk values (N'1');
1 row created.

SQL insert into test_fk values (N'1');
1 row created.

SQL commit;
Commit complete.

SQL delete from test_pk ;
delete from test_pk
*
ERROR at line 1:
ORA-12704: character set mismatch

TIA 

Vadim Gorbounov
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Re: Utl_file

2002-04-11 Thread Brian_P_MacLean


I don't think you will be able to do what you want with utl_file unless you
know the entire Excel file formatting details.  I don't think BOLDING,
RIGHT JUSTIFY, etc. can be part of a .cvs file.

I know that Oracle has several products or options for $$$ that can do a
lot of the Excel formation things for you.  I have never had to deal
directly with them and I am not even sure of all the available solutions.
But in an effort to point you in the correct direction (maybe) look into
Objects for OLE, Web DB, and Oracle Reports.  There is no simple
solution and you are going to need to do some research.

Overall, I think is more pain than it's worth for just some fancy
formatting (tell them to highlight and justify it themselves).

Another option might be to put it in html table format, easy with utl_file,
and then open/import that into Excel (just an idea)

I tried to help, if all this is wrong, then just remember that it was for
free;-)

Brian P. MacLean
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Hallo,

Is it possible to do a select from some tables in the database and then use
utl_file package to create an excel file. And also to make the headers in
the columns bold and right positioned. Please give me an easy example on
how to write the code.

Thanks in advance


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Re: Submit job last day of each month

2002-04-11 Thread Igor Neyman

Your job interval should be:

'TRUNC(LAST_DAY(SYSDATE) + 1)'

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 Hi,

 Does anyone know how I can submit a job using dbms_job the last day of
each
 month. I know there is a last_day function but cannot figure
 how to use this correctly in dbms_job.

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Re: Currently log-in users

2002-04-11 Thread Mohammad Rafiq

Try either of 1 script and make changes according to your requirement:

1)
col LOGIN_TIME format a12
COL OSUSER FORMAT A7
COL ORACLE_USER FORMAT A8
COL PROGRAM FORMAT A25
COL PROCESS_NR FORMAT A8
col uur format A5
select to_char(a.logon_time,'DD/MM HH24:MI') LOGIN_TIME,
to_char(round(c.seconds_in_wait/3600,0))||'.'||
to_char(round(mod(c.seconds_in_wait,3600)/60,0)) HOUR,
a.osuser OS_USER,
a.username ORACLE_USER,
b.program PROGRAM,
b.spid PROCESS_NR,
a.sid SID,
a.serial# SERIAL#
from v$session a,
v$process b,
v$session_wait c
where a.paddr=b.addr
and a.sid=c.sid
/

2-

set linesize 120
select
SADDR,
SID,
SERIAL#,
PADDR,
substr(USERNAME,1,8) USER,
STATUS STATUS_,
SCHEMA#,
OSUSER,
PROCESS,
LOGON_TIME,
LAST_CALL_ET
from v$session
order by osuser
/

Regards
Rafiq




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How do I check who is currently logging into database, where he is accessing
from and what he is doing?

Thanks,
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RE: Utl_file

2002-04-11 Thread Jamadagni, Rajendra

search on asktom.oracle.com for owa_sylk package, this is much better to
export as excel format than csv format.

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RE: OEM Error On Unix

2002-04-11 Thread Nguyen, David M

Try

oemctrl start oms



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Hell All,
I am seeing the following error , when I am trying to start OEM console on
HP Unix. Any Idea , what I am missing and would like to know , what is this
Management server and how to start it on HP Unix .. Thanks in advance



 ...OLE_Obj... 


Thanks,
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Re:Submit job last day of each month

2002-04-11 Thread dgoulet

declare
  job_id number;
  job varchar2(2000) := 'Fill in what you need';
begin
  dbms_job.submit(job_id, job, last_day(sysdate). 'last_day(sysdate)');
  dbms_output.put_line('Job number is: '||job);
end;


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Hi,

Does anyone know how I can submit a job using dbms_job the last day of each
month. I know there is a last_day function but cannot figure
how to use this correctly in dbms_job.

Thanks
Rick


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Re: No DBAs needed on AS400

2002-04-11 Thread Brian_P_MacLean


In the late 80's and early 90's I worked on an AS/400.  We also had NO DBA,
and the box looked and ran like we had NO DBA.  Back then IBM pushed
AS/400's as a put it in and forget it/don't worry about it box.  And as a
result our database looked and ran like a POS.  I remember submitting
jobs, and after 1 hour of elapsed run time the job had 1 second of cpu.
That's when I made my decision to switch to Oracle and Unix.

I'm sure AS/400's are fine quality machines, and I'm not trying to bash
them here (everything has it's place in the market).

If your looking for justification, find out if IBM offers training for
AS/400 DBA's.  Use the course description as ammunition as to why he should
have had a DBA or ask him who carried out the tasks the class described.
Also check out books on Amazon for same.  Then describe the tasks that a
Oracle DBA performs and ask him who he expects to perform them.

He's just rattling your cage, time to rattle his.

(This email is dedicated to Earl Fisher at Famous Footwear and all the
irreparable damage he caused me)

Brian P. MacLean
Oracle DBA, OCP8i



   
 
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We are going through a merger, and management is looking to eliminate
positions.  Here is a brief summary of my discussion with the new director
of IT:

Director: Back when I we were using an AS400, we didn't need a DBA.
Me: Then you probably were just using files.
Director: No, it was a database.
Me: Could you issue SQL commands?
Director: Yes.  But we didn't need a DBA.  I guess it was just one of
those mysteries of life.


My thoughts are that he is using the term database in the generic sense
of the word (our files are our database), or he was using some
proprietary database that doesn't even begin to compare to Oracle.

For those of you who know AS400s, I would appreciate some insight that
would demonstrate why he needs to keep me as a DBA.

Thanks,
Jay


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RE: migrate from 8i to 9i

2002-04-11 Thread Wong, Bing

If that new box is a sand box, I would just play to see if exp of 8i can be
imported in 9i.



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I think you have to use only the 8i version on EXP and
IMP in this case, as 9i EXP cannot connect to 8i
database and 9i IMP cannot read 8i EXP dmp file.


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RE: migrate from 8i to 9i

2002-04-11 Thread Shaw John-P55297

You must be thinking of something else, I just got thru doing a 9i import of
an 8i dmp file.

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I think you have to use only the 8i version on EXP and
IMP in this case, as 9i EXP cannot connect to 8i
database and 9i IMP cannot read 8i EXP dmp file.


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Re: Submit job last day of each month

2002-04-11 Thread Igor Neyman

Oops...

Sorry, should be:

'TRUNC(LAST_DAY(SYSDATE))'


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 Your job interval should be:
 
 'TRUNC(LAST_DAY(SYSDATE) + 1)'
 
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Re: cache buffer chains contention

2002-04-11 Thread Anjo Kolk


Yep,
Using CPU or being re-scheduled by the OS.
Anjo.
"Adams, Matthew (GEA, 088130)" wrote:

Would it seem likely for Oracle to be
doing ANYTHING for a full 30 seconds
without hitting another wait?

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Subject: Re: cache buffer chains contention

seconds_in_wait increments every three seconds,
so if State is anything other than WAITING the
column tells you how much time has passed
since the last wait completed. (Contrary to the
urban legend that says the value is meaningless).
There are various anomalies and oddities about
wait events, though, and if you session REALLY
is doing nothing for 30 seconds, then you've hit
one; however normally I would say that your
session is busy doing something (from Oracle's
perspective) in that 30 seconds.
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|Ok, some guru please explain this to me.
|
|process is waiting for 'latch free' according to
|v$session_wait and the value of P2 = 26
|which is the cache buffer chains latch.
|(while holding the HW enqueue, with a bunch of
|processes waiting on HW)
|
|State = 'WAITED KNOWN TIME', so I look at
|WAIT_TIME, which is 2.
|
|However, the process does not appear to be doing
|ANYTHING and the seconds in the SECONDS_IN_WAIT
|column is increasing! This continues for about
|30 seconds, when finally it finishes whatever
|it was doing and allows the next process to
|grab the HW enqueue
|
|Why would SECONDS_IN_WAIT be increasing when it supposed
to be
|done waiting already?
|
|
|
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RE: Currently log-in users

2002-04-11 Thread Nguyen, David M

Thanks for the script.  It is useful for me.

David

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Try either of 1 script and make changes according to your requirement:

1)
col LOGIN_TIME format a12
COL OSUSER FORMAT A7
COL ORACLE_USER FORMAT A8
COL PROGRAM FORMAT A25
COL PROCESS_NR FORMAT A8
col uur format A5
select to_char(a.logon_time,'DD/MM HH24:MI') LOGIN_TIME,
to_char(round(c.seconds_in_wait/3600,0))||'.'||
to_char(round(mod(c.seconds_in_wait,3600)/60,0)) HOUR,
a.osuser OS_USER,
a.username ORACLE_USER,
b.program PROGRAM,
b.spid PROCESS_NR,
a.sid SID,
a.serial# SERIAL#
from v$session a,
v$process b,
v$session_wait c
where a.paddr=b.addr
and a.sid=c.sid
/

2-

set linesize 120
select
SADDR,
SID,
SERIAL#,
PADDR,
substr(USERNAME,1,8) USER,
STATUS STATUS_,
SCHEMA#,
OSUSER,
PROCESS,
LOGON_TIME,
LAST_CALL_ET
from v$session
order by osuser
/

Regards
Rafiq




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How do I check who is currently logging into database, where he is accessing
from and what he is doing?

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RE: OEM Error On Unix

2002-04-11 Thread Reddy, Madhusudana

I could not see this on HP-UNIX client ( $OH/bin ) where I have installed
all the Oracle Client ( Administration ),
Would you let me know the location , where I can find this on UNIX

--Madhu

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Try

oemctrl start oms



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Hell All,
I am seeing the following error , when I am trying to start OEM console on
HP Unix. Any Idea , what I am missing and would like to know , what is this
Management server and how to start it on HP Unix .. Thanks in advance



 ...OLE_Obj... 


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Re: IOUG conference get together

2002-04-11 Thread Stephen Andert



Count me in. When/Where? Any San Diego 
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Add Instance

2002-04-11 Thread Hamid Alavi

Hi List,

I have 4 instance(for 4 databases) running on sun solaris oracle 8.1.6, if i
want to add one of these instance as secondary instance to one of my
database is it possible or not? if YES how?
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RE: No DBAs needed on AS400

2002-04-11 Thread Jay Hostetter

Thank you for all the replies that I have received.  

It sounds like a version of DB2 comes along with the OS, or a full fledged version of 
DB2 can be installed.  From what I have heard about their AS400 system, they can 
access their files directly - without going through a database.  This reminds me of my 
COBOL days on VMS. It sounds like DB2 can be configured to use files, which would mean 
that you could either update the file directly or go through DB2 - is this correct?  I 
can also make another VMS relation here - we had a tool called DataTrieve which you 
could configure to use regular files.  You could then issue SQL like statements 
through DataTrieve against your files.  Is DB2 like this?  Somebody needed to 
configure DataTrieve before it could reference a file - what about DB2?  Unless they 
never changed/added files on the AS400.
Comments were made that DB2 and AS400s are not open.  Does this mean that you 
couldn't write a client/server program to access data on DB2 (say using C++ from 
Windows 2000)?

I'm off to find on-line docs...

Answers to some questions:

Does it have DB2 as the database?
He didn't say that it was running DB2.

If you are performing queries from Oracle to DB2 (SQL Queries), that is being 
performed through Oracle's gateway product.
We are not doing this.




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become easier and require less effort to maintain as time goes by. I
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RE: comming down the pipe

2002-04-11 Thread Ball, Terry

I alway thought it was pipeline.

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Wasn't that expression originally coming down the pike, as in
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Is DATAFILE order important in CREATE CONTROLFILE?

2002-04-11 Thread Jesse, Rich

I'm writing a Perl script to automate the procedure to create a copy of an
8.1.7 production DB to a development server.  Both production and dev are
HP/UX 11.0.

In doing this, I've created a file that cross-references where the
production datafiles are and where they are to be placed in dev.  This works
fine, but I also wanted to dynamically create the CREATE CONTROLFILE
statement for the new dev DB.

I've noticed that the DATAFILE clause does not have the SYSTEM tablespace's
datafile first, nor are any of the other datafiles in the same order that
they are in production (e.g. from the output of an ALTER SYSTEM BACKUP
CONTROLFILE TO TRACE).  Does this matter?  Does the order need to be
preserved?

I suppose I'll end up dynamically creating the cross-reference file, which
would preserve the order, but now I'm curious.

TIA!

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RE: comming down the pipe

2002-04-11 Thread Jesse, Rich

The 1904 World's Fair is where coming down the Pike originated.  But the
reference wasn't to a turnpike or to the family of North American fishies...

http://www.crawforddirect.com/1904wf.html

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Re:RE: No DBAs needed on AS400

2002-04-11 Thread dgoulet

DataTrieve!!  That useful pile of *^%!!  I have not heard of that tool in the
last 10 years, boy are you ever tweaking the memory!  It was one tool that I
hated to love.  Yes you did have to do some configuration before it would work,
but once it was working could you ever parse a file.  Slice  Dice through mega
byte logs with ease!  So long as no one was trying to also update the file, then
you'd have problems.  Damn, those were the days!! :-)

Dick Goulet

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Author: Jay Hostetter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date:   4/11/2002 10:50 AM

Thank you for all the replies that I have received.  

It sounds like a version of DB2 comes along with the OS, or a full fledged
version of DB2 can be installed.  From what I have heard about their AS400
system, they can access their files directly - without going through a database.
 This reminds me of my COBOL days on VMS. It sounds like DB2 can be configured
to use files, which would mean that you could either update the file directly or
go through DB2 - is this correct?  I can also make another VMS relation here -
we had a tool called DataTrieve which you could configure to use regular files. 
You could then issue SQL like statements through DataTrieve against your files. 
Is DB2 like this?  Somebody needed to configure DataTrieve before it could
reference a file - what about DB2?  Unless they never changed/added files on
the AS400.
Comments were made that DB2 and AS400s are not open.  Does this mean that you
couldn't write a client/server program to access data on DB2 (say using C++ from
Windows 2000)?

I'm off to find on-line docs...

Answers to some questions:

Does it have DB2 as the database?
He didn't say that it was running DB2.

If you are performing queries from Oracle to DB2 (SQL Queries), that is being
performed through Oracle's gateway product.
We are not doing this.




 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/11/02 10:44AM 
Jay - I can see the manager's confusion. After all, one expects computers to
become easier and require less effort to maintain as time goes by. I
forwarded your question to another list that has some AS/400 programmers.
--
On the AS400 you can run queries and use SQL even though the machine is
configured to use files. Under the covers it is still AS400/DB2.
--
The AS/400 has a full-featured database built into the operating system.
Originally it didn't even have a name but IBM started calling it DB2/400
when they found out that some people didn't know it was there. And you don't
need a DBA. Virtually all the functions that are performed by a DBA on an
Oracle database, for example, are handled automatically by the AS/400 under
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Re: Currently log-in users

2002-04-11 Thread tday6


I'm sure that everyone is sending you their version of this:
ttitle off
set pages 40 lines 132
column value heading ''
column sessions_current format 999,999,999 heading '# Currently Logged On'
column sessions_highwater format 999,999,999 heading 'Most # Logged On'
column pusername format a8 heading 'Process|User'
column terminal format a14 heading 'Terminal'
column pprogram format a26 heading 'Process program'
column susername format a8 heading 'Session|User'
column server format a9 heading 'Server'
column osuser format a8 heading 'Op Sys|User'
column sprogram format a27 heading 'Session program'
select value from v$parameter where name='db_name';
select
sessions_current, sessions_highwater from
v$license;
select
p.username pusername,
s.terminal,
p.program pprogram,
s.username susername,
server,
osuser,
s.program sprogram
from v$process p, v$session s
where addr=paddr(+)
/


   

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RE: insert performance

2002-04-11 Thread Paul Baumgartel

Dennis--
The faster machine had 10 database connections, the slower, 50.  Not
all were used in either case.  But my comparison is for inserts done by
a single session, i.e., it's not the aggregate insert rate, but a
direct comparison of the same insert statement in a single session on
each server.

As for the disk layout, I don't have that information readily available
(the SA department doesn't like to let the DBA department get involved
in such things!).  I don't think it's significantly different, though.

Thanks,
Paul


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 Paul - How many insert processes did you run on each system? Is the
 disk
 layout identical in terms of spreading across devices?
 Dennis Williams
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 Lifetouch, Inc.
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 Greetings!
 
 I am trying to diagnose a performance difference between two
 databases
 running the same test.  They are similarly configured (same SGA size,
 etc.), and the servers are identical except for the number of CPUs
 (server A has 4, server B has 6).
 
 On database A, INSERT performance is about 190 rows/second.
 
 On database B, INSERT performance is over 500 rows/second.
 
 I saw some cache buffers chains, buffer busy, and library cache latch
 waits on database A while the test was running, as well as redo log
 sync waits.  The waits didn't seem excessive, though.  I checked for
 checkpoint not complete redo allocation messages in database A's
 alert log and found none.  The db_block_lru_latches parameter is set
 to
 one-half the number of CPUs in both machines.  
 
 I'd much appreciate any suggestions as to what else to check.  I know
 that freelists can be an issue (there are multiple sessions
 performing
 inserts); how can I check to see if there's freelist contention? 
 Anything else I should investigate?
 
 Many TIA,
 
 
 
 
 
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RE: No DBAs needed on AS400

2002-04-11 Thread Godlewski, Melissa
Title: RE: No DBAs needed on AS400





Comments were made that DB2 and AS400s are not open. Does this mean that you couldn't write a client/server program to access data on DB2 (say using C++ from Windows 2000)?

RUMBA/400 formerly pc support connects to the AS400 from a windows pc. Last I knew, the AS400 data need to be converted from EBCDIC into the wrkdoc area for ASCII in order for Rumba/400 to work with it correctly.

-Original Message-
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Thank you for all the replies that I have received. 


It sounds like a version of DB2 comes along with the OS, or a full fledged version of DB2 can be installed. From what I have heard about their AS400 system, they can access their files directly - without going through a database. This reminds me of my COBOL days on VMS. It sounds like DB2 can be configured to use files, which would mean that you could either update the file directly or go through DB2 - is this correct? I can also make another VMS relation here - we had a tool called DataTrieve which you could configure to use regular files. You could then issue SQL like statements through DataTrieve against your files. Is DB2 like this? Somebody needed to configure DataTrieve before it could reference a file - what about DB2? Unless they never changed/added files on the AS400.

Comments were made that DB2 and AS400s are not open. Does this mean that you couldn't write a client/server program to access data on DB2 (say using C++ from Windows 2000)?

I'm off to find on-line docs...


Answers to some questions:


Does it have DB2 as the database?
He didn't say that it was running DB2.


If you are performing queries from Oracle to DB2 (SQL Queries), that is being performed through Oracle's gateway product.

We are not doing this.





 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/11/02 10:44AM 
Jay - I can see the manager's confusion. After all, one expects computers to
become easier and require less effort to maintain as time goes by. I
forwarded your question to another list that has some AS/400 programmers.
--
On the AS400 you can run queries and use SQL even though the machine is
configured to use files. Under the covers it is still AS400/DB2.
--
The AS/400 has a full-featured database built into the operating system.
Originally it didn't even have a name but IBM started calling it DB2/400
when they found out that some people didn't know it was there. And you don't
need a DBA. Virtually all the functions that are performed by a DBA on an
Oracle database, for example, are handled automatically by the AS/400 under
the covers.
--
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DBA
Lifetouch, Inc.
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Re: Is DATAFILE order important in CREATE CONTROLFILE?

2002-04-11 Thread Rick_Cale


Order of files in alter system backup... does not matter.  Wow using Perl
to do this when then procedure is documented a 1000 times over. I am sure
you have some very good reason.  Automating something that I would think is
not very frequent may be overkill. Oh well enjoy.

Rick


   
  
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I'm writing a Perl script to automate the procedure to create a copy of an
8.1.7 production DB to a development server.  Both production and dev are
HP/UX 11.0.

In doing this, I've created a file that cross-references where the
production datafiles are and where they are to be placed in dev.  This
works
fine, but I also wanted to dynamically create the CREATE CONTROLFILE
statement for the new dev DB.

I've noticed that the DATAFILE clause does not have the SYSTEM tablespace's
datafile first, nor are any of the other datafiles in the same order that
they are in production (e.g. from the output of an ALTER SYSTEM BACKUP
CONTROLFILE TO TRACE).  Does this matter?  Does the order need to be
preserved?

I suppose I'll end up dynamically creating the cross-reference file, which
would preserve the order, but now I'm curious.

TIA!

Rich Jesse   System/Database Administrator
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How to Find Every View In Which a Column is Used.

2002-04-11 Thread MacGregor, Ian A.

The dependencies tables do not go down to the column level.  If I want to know all 
views that access the sal column of scott.emp how do I do this.  I can find out the 
name of the views which access the table via dependencies,  get the view text and 
parse it by eye.  But I  don't want to do that.  I want the database to do so.  I can 
use dbms_dql.parse,  dbms_sql.describe columns, and the text of the view; however, 
this method does not work very well if the view contains a function or an operation on 
the column.

Oracle must hold this information somewhere after a statement is parsed, but where ?

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RE: Is DATAFILE order important in CREATE CONTROLFILE?

2002-04-11 Thread DENNIS WILLIAMS

Jesse - No, order isn't important. This is a relational database after all -
right?
Dennis Williams
DBA
Lifetouch, Inc.
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To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


I'm writing a Perl script to automate the procedure to create a copy of an
8.1.7 production DB to a development server.  Both production and dev are
HP/UX 11.0.

In doing this, I've created a file that cross-references where the
production datafiles are and where they are to be placed in dev.  This works
fine, but I also wanted to dynamically create the CREATE CONTROLFILE
statement for the new dev DB.

I've noticed that the DATAFILE clause does not have the SYSTEM tablespace's
datafile first, nor are any of the other datafiles in the same order that
they are in production (e.g. from the output of an ALTER SYSTEM BACKUP
CONTROLFILE TO TRACE).  Does this matter?  Does the order need to be
preserved?

I suppose I'll end up dynamically creating the cross-reference file, which
would preserve the order, but now I'm curious.

TIA!

Rich Jesse   System/Database Administrator
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Re: cache buffer chains contention

2002-04-11 Thread Jonathan Lewis


It's certainly possible for Oracle to be pushed
into very heavy CPU usage, particularly for
PX slaves, but even in serial queries. 

Two common 'causes' are queries with 
correlated sub-queries against small tables;
and queries which have been over-indexed
and hinted to avoid table-scans.

Bottom line, though, is that if the session does not
appear to be in an Oracle-recorded wait state, it is either 
using (or scheduled to use) CPU, or you've hit a wait 
state that isn't instrumented properly.


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V$SESSION

2002-04-11 Thread Charlie Mengler

If there is an entry in V$SESSION, does it imply that user has
a current session within the instance?

If not, how do I determine which users have logged out of the DB?

Under what conditions would I not be able to obtain any SQL from
V$SQLAREA for any given SID?


  1  select username, osuser, sql_text
  2  from v$session ss, v$sqlarea sa
  3  where ss.sid = 861
  4   and  ss.sql_address = sa.address
  5*  and  ss.sql_hash_value = sa.hash_value
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no rows selected

[EMAIL PROTECTED] select * from v$session where sid = 861;

SADDR   SIDSERIAL# AUDSID PADDR USER# USERNAME  
COMMAND TADDR
 -- -- --  -- -- 
-- 
LOCKWAIT STATUS   SERVER   SCHEMA# SCHEMANAME OSUSER  
PROCESS
  - -- -- --- 
-
MACHINE  TERMINAL
 -
PROGRAM  TYPE   SQL_ADDR SQL_HASH_VALUE 
PREV_SQL
 --  -- 

PREV_HASH_VALUE MODULE   MODULE_HASH
---  ---
ACTION   ACTION_HASH
 ---
CLIENT_INFO  FIXED_TABLE_SEQUENCE 
ROW_WAIT_OBJ#
  
-
ROW_WAIT_FILE# ROW_WAIT_BLOCK# ROW_WAIT_ROW# LOGON_TIM LAST_CALL_ET
-- --- - - 
AF4518E4861680   47669205 AF289B1C   2494 OPS$RCAMPBEL0
 INACTIVE DEDICATED   2494 OPS$RCAMPBEL   rcampbel
25645
titanpts/200
runform30@titan (TNS interface)  USER   000 
A54EFF6C
 -2.129E+09 frmula_inq1635528872
from menu_driver   306861083
   683581  
  -1
14  13785328 11-APR-02  117


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RE: OEM Error On Unix

2002-04-11 Thread Nguyen, David M

Try to do

$which oemctrl  

or 

$find / -name *oem* -print


Someone on the distro might add in comments


David


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I could not see this on HP-UNIX client ( $OH/bin ) where I have installed
all the Oracle Client ( Administration ),
Would you let me know the location , where I can find this on UNIX

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Try

oemctrl start oms



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Hell All,
I am seeing the following error , when I am trying to start OEM console on
HP Unix. Any Idea , what I am missing and would like to know , what is this
Management server and how to start it on HP Unix .. Thanks in advance



 ...OLE_Obj... 


Thanks,
Madhu V Reddy
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RE: comming down the pipe

2002-04-11 Thread Sherman, Paul R.

Hello,

Pipeline is for sales and gas, almost the same thing. It's coming down the
(turn)pike is the way to describe something that is anticipated soon.

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I alway thought it was pipeline.

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Wasn't that expression originally coming down the pike, as in
turnpike?  :-)

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RE: ORACLE 9i doesn't start on Linux

2002-04-11 Thread Vadim Gorbounov

Hi Zsolt ,
check /etc/oratab, you may need to replace N by Y
hth
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Hi,


I've installed Oracle 9i on Suse Linux 7.1.

The lsnrctl starts nicely, however when I type dbstart then
it does absolutelly nothing.
No error message, but the database won't start.

Any ideas?


Thank you in advance

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RE: comming down the pipe

2002-04-11 Thread DENNIS WILLIAMS

Rich - Thanks for this cultural education.

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The 1904 World's Fair is where coming down the Pike originated.  But the
reference wasn't to a turnpike or to the family of North American fishies...

http://www.crawforddirect.com/1904wf.html

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