10g for collab suite?
Has anyone heard when 10g will be the supported database under collaboration suite?? thanks, bruce -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Bruce Bergman INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
ADMIN: Summary of donations
Hi everyone -- Well, it's been an challenging month for all of us, hasn't it? ;-) I promised to give you all a summary, and my apologies for taking so long to get back to you on this. The postal donations took a while to get to me, and I'm actually still getting PayPal donations even today, so it's taken a while to add everything up. Then there was that unfortunate event on the east coast. It didn't seem appropriate to talk about all the donations I was getting in the face of all of that, especially as I imagine many of you have graciously donated to charities in support of that relief effort, or had your own challenges to face. I hope everyone is safe and cared following the events that transpired. As was evidenced by the outpouring of support when I first posted, you guys have come through with amazing generosity. The PayPal donations totalled $1700, and the postal donations totalled about $500 more. The breakdown by type was 54 one-time, 6 monthly and 3 one-time plus monthly. Obviously, the vast majority of the donations were one-time donations, although the people that agreed to donate for a number of months were enthusiastic. Those will be incredibly helpful. Several people wanted to start hosting a website with Fat City, which is really awesome, and to all of you, I will be getting back to you this week. If you're one of ones who expressed an interest at hosting at Fat City, I'm ready for you now. :-) As I promised, I went ahead and moved Fat City into its temporary home in the colocation facility. The new dedicated connection is under construction, but probably won't be finished until mid or late October. In the meantime, I'm working hard on improving the services, adding account maintenance tools, etc. You should be noticing some speed improvements, but the best are yet to come. I will again notify the list when there is any anticipated downtime. There might be some downtime this weekend, but I'm not scheduling anything as of yet. I'll keep you informed of any new information. Again, thank everyone for your support. cheers, bruce [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Bruce Bergman INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
ADMIN: LISTSERVES GOING DOWN AT 4PM PDT
Per the Service Announcement indicated on our website, all of our servers will be going down at 4pm PDT today to move to their new (temporary) location in the colocation facility. The expected outage should be no more than 4 hours (hopefully just one hour!), but there may be some glitches -- please be patient. I chose this time to minimize list interruption, since everything usually slows down for the weekend. See you soon! thanks, bruce -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Bruce Bergman INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
ADMIN: It has been decided...
Due to the overwhelming generosity of the ORACLE-L list members, I have decided to take the plunge and move up to the big leagues. :-) The response really was amazing, and again I thank each and every one of you, whether you offered to donate funds or merely gave a word of encouragement. Everything was appreciated. I've tried to make it easy for everyone to contribute. I've set up a web page where you can go to find out your options for sending money. I suspect the majority of you will use PayPal, so I've set up a direct link to PayPal on that page. If you are making a one-time donation, just click on the leftmost PayPal logo. If you've said you'll donate for several months, enter the amount you want to donate each month and click on the rightmost PayPal logo. International members can use PayPal also (I think there are like 35 countries that PayPal supports). If you aren't a PayPal member, I've also included a link where you can sign up (it's free). The web page includes options for postal mailing, anonymous donations, etc. Go to: http://www.fatcity.com/ListGuru/Donate If you have any questions, problems or concerns, please contact me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Again, I'll be getting back to all of you as I can. If you've asked me a specific question, I will respond shortly. Thanks everyone! bruce [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Bruce Bergman INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
ADMIN: Update on donations...
Hi again everyone... Jared and I are both truly honored and bowled over with the response that has been generated to this call for help! You folks are a generous and caring group of people, and I can't tell you how much it means to me that you've offered your help. There are literally almost a hundred responses to this issue, and Jared and I have a big task ahead of us of totalling up everything and sorting through the list traffic. I wish I could respond to everyone personally, but at this point it is quite overwhelming. I WILL get back to each and every one of you over the weekend or perhaps next week. Please know that you have my heartfelt thanks for every message, and I will personally respond to each message. It just takes a bit to get back to everyone. :-) Many of you suggested the idea of having a way for list members to contribute on a yearly or monthly basis to keep the list afloat. Jared and I have discussed this in depth, and we both feel very strongly about keeping the list free of any kind of yearly or monthly charges. Don't get me wrong -- I appreciate the idea! It's just a very complicated management problem. I've been down this road before and know the route intimately. A few years back, one of my lists wanted to do exactly the same thing, and started to work out a mechanism for accomplishing that. I agreed to help out. Within two months, it literally became a nightmare of sorting through contributions, educating new members, dealing with unhappy members that wanted to leave the list and get their money back, hundreds of checks and cash, international money issues, feelings of preferential treatment, etc. And that list was only 250 subscribers! We dropped it after only four months, and everyone breathed a huge sigh of relief. It's a super idea, but just very hard to implement in practice. Someone else on the list posted essentially the same comment, and they are entirely correct. The Amazon donation idea is closest to something that could work, but even then there are a lot of questions and coordination issues to work out. Regardless, Jared and I both want this list to remain free. And I think that's only fair, given how you folks are contributing and giving of your own pocket to make sure it remains available to people. Now if, say a year from now, there is a compelling reason to ask for monthly or yearly contributions, we will reconsider it (I don't expect that though). The best thing that can help us right now is either one-time contributions or a monthly contribution for five months. The vast majority of you are coming up with one-time contributions, which is just great. A couple people have signed up for web hosting, which is even better. No matter how the contributions come in, they will definitely help. Again, thanks for the suggestions, however. For now, the ORACLE-L list will remain a free and public list that anyone can join and use. Several people have asked me to tell them how much to contribute. I'm not comfortable with that, because I don't know your situation personally, and I would much rather have you decide what you can afford. Don't be worried about feeling like you are below or above the average. I am not keeping tabs on individuals. This is quite akin to me just passing the hat around the circle and seeing what ends up in the hat. I don't have any set expectations or ideas for anyone. I plan on posting a results message on Friday (tomorrow) outlining what my decision is. At that time I will give you details about where you can send checks or cash, or how you can use PayPal to use credit cards. I don't want to collect ANY funds from anyone until I am sure this can work. I appreciate everyone who wants to send money now, but it really wouldn't be fair to you if I accepted your money before everything has been cast in concrete. Please stay tuned. I will talk to you all tomorrow, then! thanks much, bruce [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Bruce Bergman INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
ADMIN: List status, bounces, archives
Yes, the lists were down virtually all night (Pacific time). I had been doing some work on the server around midnight and maybe an hour after I called it quits, the server locked up. Sorry for the span of silence and the ensuing rush of E-mail that is *still* being sent out. All should be well shortly. Yes, some of you were bounced. novicedba@hotmail was bounced because his/her mailbox was too full (over quota) to accept new messages (a problem with using free E-mail, I know). You folks using free E-mail services need to watch to make sure your mailbox doesn't fill up. On a high traffic list like this one, it's easy to do, and if you get over quota, ListGuru will bounce you. DBarbour was bounced because of transient delivery failures in getting the mail to your site. Normally I don't give public reasons for bounces, but since those two asked in a public forum, I figure they were fair game. ;-) Finally, a reminder that there ARE archives at our site. Go to http://www.fatcity.com/ListGuru and sign up if you haven't already (it's free). You can then browse old archives, search, etc. The archives are in a wide-beta, and work is ongoing virtually daily, but you should be able to mutz around with a minimum of hassle. Feedback, suggestions, requests for certain features, criticism, etc., are all welcome and appreciated. A major new release of the archive site will be made next week. One of the cool features you'll see is the ability to find out if there are any problems with the list server, which lists are closed, etc. Stay tuned. thanks, bruce [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Bruce Bergman INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
ADMIN: Results of voting
Sorry I haven't gotten back to y'all sooner; I've been busy with the ODTUG conference. The voting completed last week and here are the results: Open: 6 Close: 44 Abstentions: 1157 (apathy wins again) Thus I will be making the subscriber list unavailable to anyone this weekend. Thanks to everyone who responded! bruce ListMaster, Fat City Network Services -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Bruce Bergman INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
ADMIN: Virus (it's NOT on the list)
Hi folks... I've checked the list and the virus is NOT being propagated via the list. The person with the infection is sending replies to all of you individually. Each time you post a message to the list, your message is re-sent to him/her, and the virus on their computer is sending you a reply with a copy of the virus. The list is virus free. Please do not spread rumors! ;-) Also, note that ListGuru filters out *most* viruses, so they should not reach you. As the majority of the E-mail virus scanners simply look for filenames or suspicious content, many will be accidently set off even though no virus actually exists in the list message. Just be aware of this fact for future reference. thanks, bruce ListMaster, Fat City Network Services -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Bruce Bergman INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
ADMIN: **IMPORTANT** About dis-invited subscribers
Folks... It is very important that you all read and adhere to this message. The list may have had a problem recently with a hacker, and/or viruses from an unknown source. The potential abusers have been removed, so we have a small window of opportunity to make sure this doesn't escalate. The only way to deal with hackers and/or spammers is to completely ignore them. No matter how you are baited or goaded into a discussion, you must absolutely ignore them. Do not reply to their messages. Do not argue with them. Do not call them names or otherwise involve them in any discussion. In consultation with Jared (owner of this list), we would ask that you please do not continue any further discussion on the topic of hackers, viruses, spammers, idiots, etc. It is important to nip this in the bud if we are to head off future problems. A determined hacker can easily get back on this list, just as easily as they can bring this list to its knees. In order to make sure we don't have problems in the future, we are asking for your cooperation in not escalating this topic any further. If you have problems or issues on this topic, you can E-mail Jared or myself PRIVATELY. thanks, bruce ListMaster, Fat City Network Services -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Bruce Bergman INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
ADMIN: Please vote (was: RE: OT SPAM : Become an Oracle Certified DBA in 5 Weeks)
I too got it, so I'm presuming they harvested this list. I'll take a look into the logs when I return from this business trip I'm on. I appreciate all the confirming responses. Should I find that they harvested the list, they will be removed and banned from all lists here (this is policy). However, it's becoming apparent that more spammers find this list useful and harvest from it. I have the ability to hide the subscriber list from everyone. I don't typically do this because there are legitimate reasons to allow people to view the subscriber list. In cases of abuse, it's a common (and effective) way to mitigate the problem. If I hide it, no one will be able to directly harvest addresses. I'll take a short vote. Please respond to me privately (here at this address) if you would prefer to have the subscriber list kept open to anyone, or closed to everyone. I'll close the voting on the 19th. Remember! Don't reply to the list!! :-) Note that this doesn't affect your ability to join or leave the list; it only affects your ability to do a WHO on the list. thanks, bruce ListMaster, Fat City Network Services -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Bruce Bergman INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: list stats?
From: Thater, William [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 12:25:50 -0400 Subject: list stats? OK, oh great list god, do we have the stats for who posts and what the top subjects are? Sounds like a great idea! ;-) I've added a Top 20 feature to the beta web access site. It now shows who the Top 20 authors for the past 7 days and the past month, and a Top 20 subjects in the same time periods. Just select ORACLE-L from your My Lists page and you should see the two new choices. Try it out! As a result of adding this, I found a bug in the archiver program where it occasionally adds a subject line as an author, so I'll try to get that fixed in the next week or so. You wouldn't notice it except in unusual conditions while using the search feature. Thanks for helping find the bug! ;-) thanks, bruce -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Bruce Bergman INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
ADMIN: 2nd Beta of web-based ODTUG archives now available
Hello everyone... I have just finished making some changes to the ListGuru web-based archive facility (http://www.fatcity.com/ListGuru), if anyone would like to try it out. There are about 180 people who have signed up for the first beta, so I know some of you should be able to give it a whirl. Much of what has been fixed or changed is in response to the comments from the first beta testers. If you'd like to join this beta test, please go to http://www.fatcity.com/ListGuru/SignUp.php and fill out the form. What has been done: - fixed the problem with searching on subject lines - added ability to search based on author - clicking on a message opens it in a new window - added in missing ODTUG lists (-WEBDEV, -JAVA, all the rest) - added in the ORACLE-L and ORACLE-LINUX-L mailing lists - added all list archives back to 1997 What still is broken: - browsing digests based on year - reading today's digest when it contains HTML - viewing table of contents is improperly formatted Please understand that not all of the site is currently working. I'd recommend you stick to the Search capability and try to exercise that aspect. Feedback would be appreciated on what could be better, nicer, more useful, etc. thanks, bruce -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Bruce Bergman INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: /TEST/IDIOT/
Since the web interface is to the *archives*, you won't be able to search currrent messages until something goes into the archives. That will likely occur around 1am in the morning after each daily digest is created. Nice try though. :-) thanks, bruce -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Bruce Bergman INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
ADMIN: Off-Topic (was: RE: Do not belive BUSH and your army gov
*** ADMIN WARNING *** Please do not continue ANY discussions about China or the recent aircraft collision incident in this mailing list. There have been quite a few off-topic posts of late, but this is *FAR* off-topic, and is not appropriate for this list. If you want to continue this discussion, contact the original poster directly in private E-mail, or go to a public discussion board elsewhere. Members of this list who continue to respond to the list about such topics risk losing their posting privileges, or perhaps even removal from the list. This is not an attempt to censor any ideas or thought, but rather to keep this list focused on the topic it was set up for, and for which members expect it to be used. There are plenty of appropriate public forums where you can discuss this matter; this is not one of them. thanks, bruce [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Bruce Bergman INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
