RE: DISASTER RECOVERY with Continous Access

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8.1.7.4 interim patch management strategy

2003-07-29 Thread Mandar A. Ghosalkar
Hello All,

There are 188 interim patches after 8.1.7.4 patchset. I know that
8.1.7.4 is the last patchset.

1. What methods/strategy do you'll have for installing patches on a
8.1.7.4 64 bit hp-ux 11.11 database?
2. Is there opatch for 8.1.7.4? AFAIK opatch is only for 9i.
3. Should one install all the applicable patches (around 180 individual
patches)?
pessimistic (wait for the bug to hit and db to crash)
optimistic (install applicable patches)
4. How to manage the interdependencies between these 180 individual
patches?
5. Can we create a hp unix patch depot like thing for all these oracle
patches? 

pls dont advise putting an enhancement request and upgrading to 9i/10i
:-)

Thanks,
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RE: Read SQL Server from Oracle

2003-06-19 Thread Mandar A. Ghosalkar
http://download-west.oracle.com/docs/cd/B10501_01/server.920/a96544/admi
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RE: LOV on Forms 6i to be populated with data from SQL Server 2000 ta

2003-05-30 Thread Mandar A. Ghosalkar
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use 
heterogeneous services + odbc/oledb and you could create a synonym for a 
sqlserver table.

no 
need for any gateway product.


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  Hi 
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  I have a unusual 
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  forms 6i, and reports 6i and DB 8.1.7 running on W2K platform. Clients wants 
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RE: OEM jobs on Win2K

2003-04-02 Thread Mandar A. Ghosalkar
When a OEM export job is created, the agent on the database server runs the exp 
utility through a tcl script.

same for rman. on the database server you should find a rman.tcl file.

after executing the export job i run the following tcl commands through the same oem 
export job.
file rename -force f:/oracle/admin/btps/exp/btps_bt_rows.dmp 
f:/oracle/admin/btps/exp/btps_bt_rows_[clock format [clock seconds] -format %a].dmp
file rename -force f:/oracle/admin/btps/exp/btps_bt_rows.log 
f:/oracle/admin/btps/exp/btps_bt_rows_[clock format [clock seconds] -format %a].log

this is required because i cannot specify a time format in the export file name 
parameter.

HTH
Mandar

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 OEM.How does OEM execute RMAN, or export, for example?  
 
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HP-UX Installation questions for 8i/9i on a HP-UX 11/11i on RP7400

2003-03-19 Thread Mandar A. Ghosalkar

Installation requirements for 8i/9i on a HP-UX 11/11i on RP7400

Do we need to install Ansi C developers module on HP-UX, if i am not going to use 
Pro*C?
Do we need to install Microfocus Cobol module on HP-UX, if i am not going to use 
Pro*cobol?

Do u'll use onlineJFS (Veritas Filessystem) which allows online Filesystem changes 
without unmounting?
HP-UX comes with default base JFS which is a stripped down version of veritas file 
system without online filesystem changes.

Thanks,
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RE: HP-UX Installation questions for 8i/9i on a HP-UX 11/11i

2003-03-19 Thread Mandar A. Ghosalkar
Dick,

you are right. i don't need Ansi C or Microfocus cobol if i am not using Pro*C or 
Pro*Cobol.
the bundled C compile is sufficient for oracle installation.

but i am not sure about OnlineJFS and HpUX Disk Mirroring license

base vxfs is good enough, if extra features not required.
but maybe i need Disk mirroring for the internal disks for root and swap.
i would have two internal 18GB Hot Plug Ultra SCSI Low Pro Drive.
is this enough for the root/swap for hp 11i.
is mirroring required for the internal disks?
do we need extra license for that?
is glanceplus a necessity for passive standby database server?

any additional hp 11i software required?

any inputs?

thanks
Mandar

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 Mandar,
 
 I'm going to include my HP-UX GURU on to the reply so 
 that he can comment
 about the JFS as he feels appriopriate.
 
 As for trhe MicroFocus Cobol, NO you don't need it.  Ansi 
 C can become
 another matter.  If your going to use any exernal procedures 
 you will need it as
 well as certain options to the RDBMS, so in general I would say yes.
 
 Dick Goulet
 
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 Date:   3/19/2003 12:24 PM
 
 
 Installation requirements for 8i/9i on a HP-UX 11/11i on RP7400
 
 Do we need to install Ansi C developers module on HP-UX, if i 
 am not going to
 use Pro*C?
 Do we need to install Microfocus Cobol module on HP-UX, if i 
 am not going to use
 Pro*cobol?
 
 Do u'll use onlineJFS (Veritas Filessystem) which allows 
 online Filesystem
 changes without unmounting?
 HP-UX comes with default base JFS which is a stripped down 
 version of veritas
 file system without online filesystem changes.
 
 Thanks,
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RE: RE: HP-UX Installation questions for 8i/9i on a HP-UX 11/

2003-03-19 Thread Mandar A. Ghosalkar
Dick,

 base vxfs is good enough, if extra features not required.
if the business allows regular downtimes, and if not 24x7x365 then online filesystem 
changes not reqd.

 but maybe i need Disk mirroring for the internal disks for 
 root and swap.
 i would have two internal 18GB Hot Plug Ultra SCSI Low Pro Drive.
 is this enough for the root/swap for hp 11i.
2*18gb is enough for OS and swap (after searching in hp docs)

 is mirroring required for the internal disks?
mirroring of OS is reqd for a good night sleep :-)

 do we need extra license for that?
yes, license reqd for MirrorUX from HP

 is glanceplus a necessity for passive standby database server?
it would be on prod server. and i would like the standby server to have the same 
config as the primary.
so i would end up buying that too.

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 Jeff,
 
 Care to put your 2 cents in? 
 
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 Dick,
 
 you are right. i don't need Ansi C or Microfocus cobol if i 
 am not using Pro*C
 or Pro*Cobol.
 the bundled C compile is sufficient for oracle installation.
 
 but i am not sure about OnlineJFS and HpUX Disk Mirroring license
 
 base vxfs is good enough, if extra features not required.
 but maybe i need Disk mirroring for the internal disks for 
 root and swap.
 i would have two internal 18GB Hot Plug Ultra SCSI Low Pro Drive.
 is this enough for the root/swap for hp 11i.
 is mirroring required for the internal disks?
 do we need extra license for that?
 is glanceplus a necessity for passive standby database server?
 
 any additional hp 11i software required?
 
 any inputs?
 
 thanks
 Mandar
 
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  Mandar,
  
  I'm going to include my HP-UX GURU on to the reply so 
  that he can comment
  about the JFS as he feels appriopriate.
  
  As for trhe MicroFocus Cobol, NO you don't need it.  Ansi 
  C can become
  another matter.  If your going to use any exernal procedures 
  you will need it as
  well as certain options to the RDBMS, so in general I would say yes.
  
  Dick Goulet
  
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  Subject:HP-UX Installation questions for 8i/9i on a HP-UX 
  11/11i on 
  Author: Mandar A. Ghosalkar [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Date:   3/19/2003 12:24 PM
  
  
  Installation requirements for 8i/9i on a HP-UX 11/11i on RP7400
  
  Do we need to install Ansi C developers module on HP-UX, if i 
  am not going to
  use Pro*C?
  Do we need to install Microfocus Cobol module on HP-UX, if i 
  am not going to use
  Pro*cobol?
  
  Do u'll use onlineJFS (Veritas Filessystem) which allows 
  online Filesystem
  changes without unmounting?
  HP-UX comes with default base JFS which is a stripped down 
  version of veritas
  file system without online filesystem changes.
  
  Thanks,
  Mandar
  
  
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RE: DBV

2003-02-26 Thread Mandar A. Ghosalkar
dbv is not crashing my 7.3.4.3.1 instance on hp-ux 10.2 :)

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 Dan,
 
 That must be new for 9i, since my 8.1.7 docs say it is an offline
 utility.  I remember hosing an entire 7.3 test database years 
 ago when I
 first ran DBV on it while it was up and open - can't remember 
 the errors,
 but the DB was unusable.  One of the (too) many times I 
 learned to read the
 docs more carefully. :-(
 
 Jack C. Applewhite
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 Austin Independent School District
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 Yes, you can. It may report that a block is influx if the 
 block is being
 written while dbv is looking at it. If you encounter this 
 error, run it
 again. If it does not report the same block, you are in the clear.
 As with any i/o intensive process, run it off-hours.
 
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RE: RMAN backup with MULTIPLE CHANNELS ......

2003-02-20 Thread Mandar A. Ghosalkar
also check Maximum Jobs per client.
you will find this setting in the Netbackup preferences window (Netbackup Java 
console).

-Mandar

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 Dear List,
 
 I have changed my RMAN backup script to use multiple 
 channels(3) as we have
 plenty of tape drives. It is taking the same amount of time 
 as it used to
 with single channel. The DB size is 120gig. The output 
 indicates it is using
 three channels while backing up.  Anyone has any idea why the multiple
 channels not reduced the backup time. Iam using Veritas Netbackup.
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RE: Netbackup client configuration info

2003-01-29 Thread Mandar A. Ghosalkar

Excluding files:
i hv a file on my client, which lists oracle database files not to be backedup (?) by 
other file backup jobs. i use hot for oracle.
the file name defines for which job (earth_os ) it is applied 
/usr/openv/netbackup/exclude_list.earth_os


check this link for excluding files from a backup
http://ftp.support.veritas.com/pub/support/products/NetBackup_BusinesServer/246734.pdf



Includes:
includes are specified in the job command as an option or in their *nice* slow java 
gui.


-Mandar
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 Hello everyone,
 
 For Tivoli (TSM)  backups there is a file called inclexcl on 
 each backup
 client, which lists the directories which are included and 
 excluded for
 backup..(along with their management classes)..I was 
 wondering if there is a
 similar file in netbackup configuration which can give the similar
 information. The idea is to find out which dir/files are 
 getting backed up
 and their correspponding retention for any netbackup client..
 
 Appreciate any information anyone can provide on this..
 
 Thanks
 Mohammed Ahsanuddin
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AUTORAID and VA7100 disk arrays for rp7400

2003-01-23 Thread Mandar A. Ghosalkar
Hi,

i am in the process of defining the specs for a rp7400. a lil overwhelmed by the 
storage offerings from HP.
i wanted to know if any of ull hv any inputs regarding a disk array.
we currently hv a Model 30/FC disk array with 9gig drives.
I am looking for a similar or the next higher configuration disk array from HP.

Any inputs regarding VA7100 disk array or corresponding competetive disk aray from 
HP/competitor?

cache size 256/512/1024 MB? dont know which to go.
thinking of going for 18GB 15k rpm rather than 36GB 15K rpm. faster smaller drives.

the va7100 product specs on HP site mention more about AutoRAID (which is dynamic 0+1 
or 5 configuration on the fly).
any inputs on AutoRAID for Oracle database files.
hv ull used 0+1 h/w configuration on VA7100? am i talking sense?

a good article to read, especially page 4
http://www.hp.com/products1/storage/products/disk_arrays/infolibrary/hp_va_and_san_virtualization.pdf


any inputs related to configuring a rp7400 are invited. my initial specs based on my 
current k570 is below.

current k570 (7.3.4)
4 * 200Mhz 
2 gn ram

specs for rp7400 (8i/9i)
4 * 550MHz
6 Gb ram

and i thought it was easy.
take a few procs
add ram
add few disks,
(Baaam!) make sound and license
and u hv a server.

but look into a detailed partlist and configuration options at
https://www.e-solutions.hp.com/shop/cgi-bin/sweetspot.cgi


Thanks
Mandar


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RE: AUTORAID and VA7100 disk arrays for rp7400

2003-01-23 Thread Mandar A. Ghosalkar
Michael,

a dumb question. does this stops me from using VA7100 with 0+1 or are u talking about 
going some other disk array product?

Thanks
Mandar

 -Original Message-
 From: Vergara, Michael (TEM) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 12:00 PM
 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
 Subject: RE: AUTORAID and VA7100 disk arrays for rp7400
 
 
 Apologies to all for shouting, but ...
 
 DO NOT USE AUTORAID!
 ** *** *** *
 
 I used an AutoRaid system when I was at Petco.  Performance was
 el-sucko.  There was more I/Os happening in the disk array
 (by observing the disk lights) than was being caused by the
 application and database.
 
 Plus, when the AR system Raid 0+1/5 mode, where some blocks are
 kept in a RAID 0+1 area and some are kept in a RAID 5 area, the
 array got so busy swapping one for another that it was virtually
 useless.
 
 Fiber channel (FC-10) works ok, Clariion (by EMC) works Ok,
 heck, even JBOD works better than AutoRaid.
 
 Just my 2¢ worth.
 
 Cheers,
 Mike
 
 
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 Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 11:35 AM
 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
 
 
 Hi,
 
 i am in the process of defining the specs for a rp7400. a lil 
 overwhelmed by the storage offerings from HP.
 i wanted to know if any of ull hv any inputs regarding a disk array.
 we currently hv a Model 30/FC disk array with 9gig drives.
 I am looking for a similar or the next higher configuration 
 disk array from HP.
 
 Any inputs regarding VA7100 disk array or corresponding 
 competetive disk aray from HP/competitor?
 
 cache size 256/512/1024 MB? dont know which to go.
 thinking of going for 18GB 15k rpm rather than 36GB 15K rpm. 
 faster smaller drives.
 
 the va7100 product specs on HP site mention more about 
 AutoRAID (which is dynamic 0+1 or 5 configuration on the fly).
 any inputs on AutoRAID for Oracle database files.
 hv ull used 0+1 h/w configuration on VA7100? am i talking sense?
 
 a good article to read, especially page 4
 http://www.hp.com/products1/storage/products/disk_arrays/infol
ibrary/hp_va_and_san_virtualization.pdf


any inputs related to configuring a rp7400 are invited. my initial specs based on my 
current k570 is below.

current k570 (7.3.4)
4 * 200Mhz 
2 gn ram

specs for rp7400 (8i/9i)
4 * 550MHz
6 Gb ram

and i thought it was easy.
take a few procs
add ram
add few disks,
(Baaam!) make sound and license
and u hv a server.

but look into a detailed partlist and configuration options at
https://www.e-solutions.hp.com/shop/cgi-bin/sweetspot.cgi


Thanks
Mandar
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RE: question about rman

2003-01-21 Thread Mandar A. Ghosalkar
Title: question about rman



even 
in netbackup and ebu configuration, the hot backup starts only when the hot 
backup job is kicked by the netbackup schedular and not while in 
queue.
The 
only problem is when the hot backup is started, mutiple netbackup jobs are 
created and queued for each tablespace. for ex, i hv 2 drives and i do 
parallel=2 in ebu, so two jobs are created simultaneously for 2 diff 
tablespaces. when one tablespace job (one dynamically created netbackup job) is 
finished, the next tablespace is put in hot and a seperate job is created and 
fired. now i hv say 15 tablespaces, and during this whole process my other 
operating system os files job is kicked in, it would create multiple jobs 
dynamically for each mount point.

so

tablespace1 hot started

tablespace2 hot started

tablespace1 hot complete

tablespace3 hot started
/u01 
job queued

tablespace2 hot complete

/u01 job started this runs for 5 
hrs

tablespace3 hot complete
..
..

so by the time hot backup finishes its early 
morning.

solution: schedule job with proper timings and 
prioritise them.

my 2 cents (sorry no change), my 1 penny 
:)

-Original Message-From: 
Chris Stephens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Tuesday, 
January 21, 2003 1:17 PMTo: Multiple recipients of list 
ORACLE-LSubject: RE: question about 
rman

  even 
  if that is true (which is news to me and might cause some consideration for 
  our oltp databases...maybe) we won't be able to predict when the 
  database will go down in the case of a cold backup. ...which we can't 
  live with here. ...loads are scheduled for certain times throughout the 
  night. even in the oltp environment, this might cause a performance 
  degradation if the backups start after our call centers are open for 
  business.
  
  thanks for the info though. i'll do some 
  checking for omniback. 
  
-Original Message-From: Sujatha Madan 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 
2003 2:37 PMTo: Multiple recipients of list 
ORACLE-LSubject: RE: question about rman
Correct me if I am wrong, but I thought the backup software will only 
initiate the RMAN backup once your server has reached the top of the queue 
and it is ready to be written to tape. At least 
that's what happens with Legato. 

Regards,
Sujatha


  -Original Message-From: Chris Stephens 
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  ORACLE-LSubject: RE: question about rman
  The problem is that if we try and backup to tape, 
  we have to wait in the queue. Depending on what is already there, we 
  may have to wait a number of hours before RMAN has the opportunity write 
  data to the tape. Believe me, we have tried to devise ways to 
  predict when we could actually write to tape but the sys admin has stated 
  over and over that he has no control over when a tape is available due to 
  the queueing. In a cold backup this implies unacceptable 
  downtime. In a hot backup it means that the database will be backed 
  up over a very long period of time.
  
  So if we first backup to disk and then let 
  omniback take the data to tape whenever it gets around to it, we'll still 
  be able to due a recovery through RMAN if the necessary files are on tape 
  (a place that RMAN is unaware of).
  
  note: obviously we are going to have to test this 
  but i'd like to know that it is possible before i go through the trouble 
  of coordinating something with the sys admins.
  
  thank you.
  
  
  
-Original Message-From: Freeman Robert - IL 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 
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ORACLE-LSubject: RE: question about rman
I guess my first question is why not just backup to tape through 
the Omniback MML layer? Or, if you prefer to go to disk you can backup 
to disk with RMAN and then backup the backupset to tape through the 
MMLwith RMAN again. If you try to restore from an RMAN backup, and 
the required backup pieces are not there, RMAN will let you 
know.

HTH,

Robert

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Management ConsultantTUSC - The Oracle Experts 
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of several books you can find on Amazon.com! 

  -Original Message-From: Chris Stephens 
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  I could test this myself but that would require 
  coordination with the system administrators and they always seem to 
  think their time is too 

RE: Netbackup [#2]

2002-12-18 Thread Mandar A. Ghosalkar
well this is old topic. but wanted to correct a few things.

Backup exec can delete(purge) archive logs based on date. Create purge jobs and see to 
it that directories (junction points are preserved if all files from a directory are 
deleted). you dont hv to write a windows script to do this.

As far as netbackup agent is concerned, it is used alongwith ebu/rman to 
backup/restore files, so it is needed for oracle hot backups. for colds it is 
optional. if you want cold w/o agent then you could write a script to shutdown and 
then use bpbackup to send the oracle files to tape.

btw i havnt found a purge job feature in netbackup.

-Mandar

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 Subject: Re: Netbackup [#2]
 
 
 Since no one else replied I will give you my experience:
 (Backupexec for oracle 816 on NT/2000)
 
 We are working with it and got backup speed up to 300MB per minute.
 
 There are some limitations:
 
 1) Backupexec does not delete archive logs.
 We wrote a script that marked all existing archive logs 
 before starting the
 backup and delete all the marked logs after the backup.
 
 2) When restoring to a different machine, Backupexec creates 
 a folder for
 each tablespace and restore the datafiles to this folder. You 
 need to move
 the datafiles to their place in order to start the database.
 
 3) Backupexec does not do recovery. You need to  restore the 
 archive logs
 that you think you need and then do recovery yourself.
 
 Yechiel Adar
 Mehish
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 Is no-one out there using NetBackup???.
 
 Without wishing to sound rude I'll assume a non-response indicates an
 affirmative to that OR that you're all too busy to voice an opinion ;)
 
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 Howdy Folks,
 
 Would appreciate feedback on experiences, positive :) or 
 negative :(, folk
 have had using Veritas NetBackup product for DB recovery, 
 especially in DR
 scenarios.  There is an Oracle agent but so far all it 
 appears to me to be
 is a glorious scheduler of your own RMAN scripted jobs!.  Feedback on
 features I may have missed with agent would also be appreciated.
 
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RE: warehouse builder's dependance on oem job system.

2002-12-16 Thread Mandar A. Ghosalkar
Title: RE: warehouse builder's dependance on oem job system.



Chris,

if its 
a plsql job then tcl wrapper script in oem would be same. but your runtime 
parameters could be diff. As others have mentioned, u could just run 
package.main, just verify that the package has been configured with the right 
runtime parameters in OWB.

btw 
when use the method (forgot that name for passing parameters ) "=" u need 
now worry about parameter position.

-Mandar

  -Original Message-From: Chris Stephens 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 
  8:38 AMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: 
  RE: warehouse builder's dependance on oem job system.
  wow. thank you. i will be testing this in the 
  afternoon but before i do, i have one more question. we have ~50 jobs we 
  would like to cron instead of submit to oem. so my question is, are these tcl 
  arguments in the same order and of the same # for every job? or is there 
  some way to determine the order and position they should be when executing the 
  package?
  thank you so much for your help. 
  -Original Message- From: 
  Mandar A. Ghosalkar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 8:19 PM To: 
  Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: 
  warehouse builder's dependance on oem job system. 
  Chris,  the parameters 3,2,50,1000,50,wb,10 are used inside the oem-owb job tcl 
  script as set p_oper_mode [lindex $parList [incr 
  parList_i]] set p_audit_level [lindex $parList [incr 
  parList_i]] set p_num_errors [lindex $parList [incr 
  parList_i]] set p_commit_frequency [lindex $parList 
  [incr parList_i]] set p_bulk_size [lindex $parList 
  [incr parList_i]] set p_purge_group [lindex $parList 
  [incr parList_i]] set p_percentage [lindex $parList 
  [incr parList_i]] 
  and then the package.main is called  try the following. i would recommend 
  testing this on the test server before putting it on prod :-)  sqlexec 
  C40_ADMIN_CUSTOMER_MAP.Main(p_operating_mode = 3, p_audit_level = 2, 
  p_max_errors = 50, p_commit_frequency = 1000,
   p_bulk_size = 50, p_job = 
  'wb');  -Mandar 
  
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  Thursday, December 12, 2002 1:09 PM To: Multiple 
  recipients of list ORACLE-L 
  here is the tcl that was generated:  "-r" "3,2,50,1000,50,wb,10" "-c" 
  "WE8MSWIN1252"  the 
  package that is generated is quite long. i have 
  absolutely no idea how to read the tcl. if you 
  could point me somewhere, i could try and figure it out myself. 
  any help is appreciated.  attached is the package code if you are 
  willing to take a look...  (for some reason my computer associates .pls extensions with real 
  audio)   
   
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  recipients of list ORACLE-L 
  Chris,  All the owb etl jobs are packages and if you have configured it right, 
  then you could the execute the package_name.main procedure to run the etl 
  process. your best best would be to read the tcl script and the associated 
  parameters for the owb-oem job.
   You could paste the tcl and the 
  parameters here to help u more.  
  -Mandar 
  -Original Message- Sent: 
  Tuesday, December 10, 2002 9:31 AM To: Multiple 
  recipients of list ORACLE-L 
  ok, here's the situation: we are loading our warehouse 
  via etl processes generated by warehouse builder (owb). we went live 
  with this a little over a week ago. up to this point we have been 
  running the jobs manually through owb. for obvious reasons we need to be 
  able to schedule these jobs. the only way (that i know of) to schedule 
  the owb jobs is to deploy them to entreprise manager. the problem is 
  that our oem is VERY unreliable and seems to be related to bugs. we are 
  running oem v9.2 and oracle ee v9.2. when jobs are scheduled through 
  oem, they run sometimes and hang others. this is unexceptable. 
  
  so my question is: does anyone know of a way to trap the 
  commands that oem sends to the database? the obvious solution would be 
  to just cron execution of the packages owb generates inside the 
  database. this doesn't work though because owb generates funky code that 
  takes parameters, whose values i don't know, for logging purposes. 
  
  hopefully i explained the situation well enough. 
  any ideas??i'd like to get rid of the dependance on oem. 
  
  oem sucks 
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RE: Capacity Planning -- Expecting the DB growth !!!

2002-12-16 Thread Mandar A. Ghosalkar
Title: Blank



so how r u gonna do it?

1 business object = n number of rows in m 
different tables + indexes 

if regular day then x number of 
business objects are created
if holiday then y number of business objects 
are created

and are u going to considering the 
historical growth ofdatabase objects during regular and 
holidays?

do u hv tablespace space consumption for the 
last couple of yrs to get a good graph and extrapolate (?) 
it.

-Mandar

  -Original Message-From: Reddy, Madhusudana 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Monday, December 16, 
  2002 6:19 PMTo: Multiple recipients of list 
  ORACLE-LSubject: Capacity Planning -- Expecting the DB growth 
  !!!
  Hello All,
  I am 
  currently working on capacity planning of the database , expecting the 
  database size based on the business object ,sales ( Historical data). I am not 
  sure about the approach I am following . I believe there might be some better 
  approach followed in some shop to estimate the DB size 
  ,even by considering events like "thanks giving" , "holiday season" and 
  all. 
  Also 
  I have to automate this process. Would like to know some best suggestions you 
  always have in this forum. Would 
  youhelp me in identifying some formulae. Any kind of documentation will 
  be a great help !!!
  Thanks in advance,
  Madhu
  


RE: warehouse builder's dependance on oem job system.

2002-12-13 Thread Mandar A. Ghosalkar
true they hv default values, but i think the Chris's runtime parameters are diff than 
his default values. ill try to give another look at it come monday.


 -Original Message-
 From: Scott Canaan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 10:39 AM
 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
 Subject: Re: warehouse builder's dependance on oem job system.
 
 
 I run the jobs via cron, without any parameters and we don't 
 have any problems.  If you look at the parameter list, you'll 
 find that most (if not all) have default values anyway.  I 
 have been running them via cron for months without any 
 issues, other than the fact that we can't multitask.
 
 Mandar A. Ghosalkar wrote:
 
  Chris,
 
  the parameters 3,2,50,1000,50,wb,10 are used inside the 
 oem-owb job tcl script as
  set p_oper_mode [lindex $parList [incr parList_i]]
  set p_audit_level [lindex $parList [incr parList_i]]
  set p_num_errors [lindex $parList [incr parList_i]]
  set p_commit_frequency [lindex $parList [incr parList_i]]
  set p_bulk_size [lindex $parList [incr parList_i]]
  set p_purge_group [lindex $parList [incr parList_i]]
  set p_percentage [lindex $parList [incr parList_i]]
 
  and then the package.main is called
 
  try the following. i would recommend testing this on the 
 test server before putting it on prod :-)
 
  sqlexec C40_ADMIN_CUSTOMER_MAP.Main(p_operating_mode = 3, 
 p_audit_level = 2, p_max_errors = 50, p_commit_frequency = 1000,
   p_bulk_size = 50, p_job = 'wb');
 
  -Mandar
 
  Original Message-
  Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 1:09 PM
  To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
 
  here is the tcl that was generated:
 
  -r 3,2,50,1000,50,wb,10 -c WE8MSWIN1252
 
  the package that is generated is quite long.
  i have absolutely no idea how to read the tcl.
  if you could point me somewhere, i could try and figure it 
 out myself.
  any help is appreciated.
 
  attached is the package code if you are willing to take a look...
 
  (for some reason my computer associates .pls extensions 
 with real audio)
 
 
 
 
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  To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
 
  Chris,
 
  All the owb etl jobs are packages and if you have 
 configured it right, then you could the execute the 
 package_name.main procedure to run the etl process. your best 
 best would be to read the tcl script and the associated 
 parameters for the owb-oem job.
 
  You could paste the tcl and the parameters here to help u more.
 
  -Mandar
 
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  Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 9:31 AM
  To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
 
  ok, here's the situation:  we are loading our warehouse via 
 etl processes generated by warehouse builder (owb).  we went 
 live with this a little over a week ago.  up to this point we 
 have been running the jobs manually through owb.  for obvious 
 reasons we need to be able to schedule these jobs.  the only 
 way (that i know of) to schedule the owb jobs is to deploy 
 them to entreprise manager.  the problem is that our oem is 
 VERY unreliable and seems to be related to bugs.  we are 
 running oem v9.2 and oracle ee v9.2.  when jobs are scheduled 
 through oem, they run sometimes and hang others.  this is 
 unexceptable.
 
  so my question is:  does anyone know of a way to trap the 
 commands that oem sends to the database?  the obvious 
 solution would be to just cron execution of the packages owb 
 generates inside the database.  this doesn't work though 
 because owb generates funky code that takes parameters, whose 
 values i don't know, for logging purposes.
 
  hopefully i explained the situation well enough.
 
  any ideas??i'd like to get rid of the dependance on oem.
 
  oem sucks
 
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RE: warehouse builder's dependance on oem job system.

2002-12-12 Thread Mandar A. Ghosalkar
Chris,
 
the parameters 3,2,50,1000,50,wb,10 are used inside the oem-owb job tcl script as
set p_oper_mode [lindex $parList [incr parList_i]]
set p_audit_level [lindex $parList [incr parList_i]]
set p_num_errors [lindex $parList [incr parList_i]]
set p_commit_frequency [lindex $parList [incr parList_i]]
set p_bulk_size [lindex $parList [incr parList_i]]
set p_purge_group [lindex $parList [incr parList_i]]
set p_percentage [lindex $parList [incr parList_i]]

and then the package.main is called
 
try the following. i would recommend testing this on the test server before putting it 
on prod :-)
 
sqlexec C40_ADMIN_CUSTOMER_MAP.Main(p_operating_mode = 3, p_audit_level = 2, 
p_max_errors = 50, p_commit_frequency = 1000,
 p_bulk_size = 50, p_job = 'wb');
 
-Mandar

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here is the tcl that was generated:
 
-r 3,2,50,1000,50,wb,10 -c WE8MSWIN1252
 
the package that is generated is quite long.
i have absolutely no idea how to read the tcl.  
if you could point me somewhere, i could try and figure it out myself.
any help is appreciated.
 
attached is the package code if you are willing to take a look...
 
(for some reason my computer associates .pls extensions with real audio)
 
 
 

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To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


Chris,
 
All the owb etl jobs are packages and if you have configured it right, then you could 
the execute the package_name.main procedure to run the etl process. your best best 
would be to read the tcl script and the associated parameters for the owb-oem job.
 
You could paste the tcl and the parameters here to help u more.
 
-Mandar

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Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 9:31 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L




ok, here's the situation:  we are loading our warehouse via etl processes generated by 
warehouse builder (owb).  we went live with this a little over a week ago.  up to this 
point we have been running the jobs manually through owb.  for obvious reasons we need 
to be able to schedule these jobs.  the only way (that i know of) to schedule the owb 
jobs is to deploy them to entreprise manager.  the problem is that our oem is VERY 
unreliable and seems to be related to bugs.  we are running oem v9.2 and oracle ee 
v9.2.  when jobs are scheduled through oem, they run sometimes and hang others.  this 
is unexceptable.  

so my question is:  does anyone know of a way to trap the commands that oem sends to 
the database?  the obvious solution would be to just cron execution of the packages 
owb generates inside the database.  this doesn't work though because owb generates 
funky code that takes parameters, whose values i don't know, for logging purposes.  

hopefully i explained the situation well enough. 

any ideas??i'd like to get rid of the dependance on oem. 

oem sucks 


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RE: warehouse builder's dependance on oem job system.

2002-12-10 Thread Mandar A. Ghosalkar
Title: warehouse builder's dependance on oem job system.



Chris,

All 
the owb etl jobs are packages and if you have configured it right, then you 
could the execute the package_name.main procedure to run the etl process. your 
best best would be to read the tcl script and the associated parameters for the 
owb-oem job.

You 
could paste the tcl and the parameters here to help u more.

-Mandar

  -Original Message-From: Chris Stephens 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 
  9:31 AMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: 
  warehouse builder's dependance on oem job system.
  ok, here's the situation: we are loading our warehouse 
  via etl processes generated by warehouse builder (owb). we went live 
  with this a little over a week ago. up to this point we have been 
  running the jobs manually through owb. for obvious reasons we need to be 
  able to schedule these jobs. the only way (that i know of) to schedule 
  the owb jobs is to deploy them to entreprise manager. the problem is 
  that our oem is VERY unreliable and seems to be related to bugs. we are 
  running oem v9.2 and oracle ee v9.2. when jobs are scheduled through 
  oem, they run sometimes and hang others. this is unexceptable. 
  
  so my question is: does anyone know of a way to trap the 
  commands that oem sends to the database? the obvious solution would be 
  to just cron execution of the packages owb generates inside the 
  database. this doesn't work though because owb generates funky code that 
  takes parameters, whose values i don't know, for logging purposes. 
  
  hopefully i explained the situation well enough. 
  any ideas??i'd like to get rid of the dependance on 
  oem. 
  oem sucks 


RE: BackupExec Oracle

2002-11-25 Thread Mandar A. Ghosalkar
Title: BackupExec & Oracle



oh one 
more thing i failed to mention, recovery is a real pain. it will restore files 
with a very scre*** up names. it removes all backslashes and makes one whole big 
filename. u then need to do some surgery on it. it is not as simple as ebu/rman. 
i think they r doing this purposely bcos they would like us to purchase 
netbackup instead of the cheaper scaled down product 
backupexec.


  -Original Message-From: Koivu, Lisa 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 
  11:12 AMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: 
  BackupExec  Oracle
  Hello Everyone! 
  I found out on Friday that my backup strategy has 
  been NULL AND VOID out in Las Vegas. (Read: Nothing has been 
  written to tape lately. Thanks, Guys) I was also notified that 
  "effective immediately" Veritas BackupExec is the software we are using. 
  
  Any gotchas/experiences/comments from people who 
  have used Backup Exec and the associated Oracle utility? Do you trust 
  BackupExec to fire your rman backups, complete correct rman restores, 
  etc.? I have shied away from writing directly to tape in the past but 
  don't have the luxury of disk for rman backups anymore. 
  I'm on Windows 2000 sp2, Oracle version 
  8.1.7.2 
  Any comments are appreciated. Thanks 
  
  Lisa Koivu Oracle Database Monkey and Terrible Perl Coder. Fairfield Resorts, Inc. 5259 Coconut Creek Parkway Ft. 
  Lauderdale, FL, USA 33063 


RE: BackupExec Oracle

2002-11-25 Thread Mandar A. Ghosalkar
we use backupexec 8.6 and it does not lock oracle files on NT4 or win2k.

if u use the purge options and create a archivelog purge job and u hv some antivirus 
s/w like norton, then the access times get messed up and backupexec is not able to 
pick up files properly.

netbackup uses rman/ebu.  backupexec does not use rman/ebu. it has its own oracle 
agent which puts tablespaces in backup mode and takes them out.

pretty reliable and i hv tested out the recoveries. a scheduled windows 

u just need to make sure that admins keep enough tapes in the dlt's. the only problems 
i face is that the backup job is waiting for more tapes.

the only drawback is commandline and reporting aspect. in netbackup on unix i could 
use available_media script and find out how much is the tape used. i hv yet to figure 
this out in backupexec.

-Mandar

 -Original Message-
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 Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 12:52 PM
 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
 Subject: RE: BackupExec  Oracle
 
 
 If you're using BackupExec to backup the server's filesystems 
 as well as the
 Oracle DB, make sure it does NOT hit your database files 
 directly.  Some
 Winders admins don't understand that it'll lock the datafiles, redos,
 controlfiles, etc from the instance, causing all sorts of 
 icky recovery
 scenarios.
 
 At least a few years ago, it locked them under NT 4.0.  I 
 don't know if this
 behavior has changed (or is possible to change under NuTFutS) in newer
 versions.
 
 Good luck!  :)
 
 Rich
 
 
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 Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 2:12 PM
 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
 
 
 Hello Everyone! 
 I found out on Friday that my backup strategy has been NULL 
 AND VOID out in
 Las Vegas.  (Read:  Nothing has been written to tape lately.  
 Thanks, Guys)
 I was also notified that effective immediately Veritas 
 BackupExec is the
 software we are using.  
 Any gotchas/experiences/comments from people who have used 
 Backup Exec and
 the associated Oracle utility?  Do you trust BackupExec to 
 fire your rman
 backups, complete correct rman restores, etc.?  I have shied away from
 writing directly to tape in the past but don't have the 
 luxury of disk for
 rman backups anymore.  
 I'm on Windows 2000 sp2, Oracle version 8.1.7.2 
 Any comments are appreciated.  Thanks 
 Lisa Koivu 
 Oracle Database Monkey and Terrible Perl Coder. 
 Fairfield Resorts, Inc. 
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RE: OT: Getting data out of DB2...any DB2 DBAs out there?

2002-11-13 Thread Mandar A. Ghosalkar
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wrong financial calendar for an open period in 10.7 NCA

2002-11-06 Thread Mandar A. Ghosalkar
Hello Guys,

i have posted this in Oracle apps mailing list also.

We have a situation here. We have an Open Period for Oct defined as 01/oct/02 to 
30/oct/02.

We posted AP with no problems. While importing the sales from a different 
application(non-oracle) into GL we received errors in the journal import concurrent 
program.

Since the Oct end date is wrong, we found 3 different options infront of us to get 
this problem solved.

1. Oracle Supported way.
Create different set of books and consolidate. Yuck

2. Oracle unsupported way. 
Rollback the entries for Oct.
Correct calendar.
repost entries.
This has to be tested on the test instance first.

3. Oracle unsupported way. 
Since the entries in the GL Interface have not been posted yet, change the 
31/oct/02 transactions to reflect 30/oct/02 and reimport the entries. This has to be 
done for sales/credits/payroll which use non-oracle applications.

Tar has been raised with metalink.

I was wondering if any of ull have gone through this situation and would appreciate 
your inputs.

Thanks
Mandar
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RE: Theory v Practice

2002-10-23 Thread Mandar A. Ghosalkar
3 yrs after ur developers code the VB app, the original team vanishes(they start 
working on .net .. or maybe java)
The new team even after going through the docs and vb application libraries, forget 
the right joins and insert invalid data/update rows in the master without taking care 
of the details/ delete some master records, etc.

What next happens at the call center of ur company  ?

Believe me there would always be a legitimate need (not hack) to correct some data 
using sql*plus like tools. At that point you would need to depend on RI.

-Mandar

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 The developers working on our new VB app are also responsible for
 setting up the Oracle DB behind it. The app is for an order
 entry/despatch/warehouse system with 5 million customers and 1000
 orders per day. We have nearly 400 tables. They are not planning on
 using primary keys/secondary keys, as they say they will 
 handle all the
 constraints via VB.
 I only have a theoretical knowledge of database design, which 
 says this
 is very wrong. Is the Oracle system being used as anything 
 more than an
 expensive file system? In real world scenarios, is this a common
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RE: Opinions on BR scenarios

2002-10-23 Thread Mandar A. Ghosalkar
How would i specify this sleep command in a 7.3/ebu/nbu configuration?
checking ebu docs..

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 Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 3:09 PM
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 Subject: RE: Opinions on BR scenarios
 
 
 Under this scenario, you have 2 options
 1) Incomplete recovery to 2:10:30. Since there are no 
 tablespaces in backup
 mode, this is possible.
 2) Do a complete recovery to the point of failure at 2:15:30. 
 Of course, if
 the failure was manual (oops, I dropped a table in 
 production), then this is
 not a valid recovery because it would return you to the state 
 immediately
 following the failure.
 
 Also consider this scenario:
 Well after the backup has completed, it is determined that 
 data has been
 logically corrupted and the database needs to be recovered to 
 the point in
 time immediately prior to the corruption. If the corruption 
 occurred at
 02:15:30, the only option is to perform an incomplete 
 recovery to 02:10:59. 
 
 I looked in my notes from the Oracle8 Internals Seminar and 
 this is the
 explanation. Incomplete recovery is not allowed during a hot 
 backup (while
 ts was in hot backup mode). Because the high scn is not 
 recorded (in the
 datafile), the recovery logic does not know how to perform a 
 recovery. The
 first time when incomplete recovery is possible is at the checkpoint
 immediately following the end of hot backup mode (which may 
 be delayed in
 some releases).
 
 Does this make sense?
 
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 Dan,
 
 What you intend to say is that if the database crashed at say 
 2:15:30, you
 can do an incomplete recovery upto say 2:10:30, right? Why cant I do a
 complete recovery ? or what stops me from doing an incomplete recovery
 until 2:15:25?
 
 Raj
 
 
 
 snip
 
  
 02:00 1st tablespace begins backup
 02:10 1st tablespace ends backup
 02:11 2nd tablespace begins backup
 02:21 2nd tablespace ends backup
 02:22 3rd tablespace begins backup
 02:32 3rd tablespace ends backup
 etc.
 
 You could then perform an incomplete recovery until 02:10:01 
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 02:21:01 - 02:21:59, etc.
 
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RE: ETL architecture

2002-10-16 Thread Mandar A. Ghosalkar

and how are they going to connect to the database on server B?
are they using odbc?
millions of inserts using odbc over the network?


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 Hi,
 
 On all DW project I've been, the ETL tool was on the
 database server containing the DW database.
 
 On the current project, the architecture team has
 decided that the ETL tool (Data Junction) will be on
 its own server (Windows) to service all projects
 needing  ETL processing.
 We are the first client of this approach. All sources
 will ftp their files on the unix box where the
 staging/data integration database is. 
 So that means that the the ETL tool on server A will
 read the files and the reference tables from server B,
 process that on server A and insert the cleansed data
 on server B.
 
 Somewhere I'm not confortable with that approach.
 Any comments ?
 
 
 
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RE: Session Data Unit and tcp.nodelay

2002-10-11 Thread Mandar A. Ghosalkar

are they similar 1700 sql statements differing by literals.

if ur db is 8.x can u use cursor_sharing?
hv u tried 10046 tracing?
myabe the parse time for these 1700 sql is more than the perceived tcp gain u r trying 
to achieve.

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 Subject: Session Data Unit and tcp.nodelay
 
 
 We have third party CAD application called VPM which
 we are using to organize 3d engineering models.  It
 uses an Oracle database to store some information on
 locations of models and relationships between parts.
 We are having some performance problems which seem to
 point to the database access.  With sql tracing turned on,
 we determined that one of the operations in question
 used more than 1700 sql statements.
 
 The consultant we work with is suggesting that we try to
 improve the Net8 throughput either by seting tcp.nodelay
 or by adjusting the size of the Session Data Unit.  A quick look
 at the Net8 manual suggests that both of these could potentially
 improve throughput by forcing packets to be sent out sooner
 instead of blocking several requests/responses together.
 
 Does anyone have any experience with these settings?
 
 Any suggestions as to what settings to try as a start?
 
 Thanks,
 Peter Schauss
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RE: Cache hit ratio?

2002-10-09 Thread Mandar A. Ghosalkar

If u r not kidding then attend hotsos clinic.
r u sure u r not kidding

can u catch the session which is not performing as it should from the end users 
perspective?
get the top 5 wait events for that session.


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 One of my database Cache Hit Ratio is low.I adjusted 
 db_block_buffer and I 
 have noticed after week again cache hit ratio became low.
 Can u please suggest what other things I can do to fix this problem?
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Forms 3.0 ; Oracle 8i/9i ; Patch 380665 ; HP-UX 11

2002-09-25 Thread Mandar A. Ghosalkar

Hello guys,

I am trying to figure out the mystery of Patch 380665, which allows Forms 3.0 to be 
used with Oracle 8.1.7

I have a few questions

1. Does this patch exist or is it just a myth?
2. Is this a Database patch or Forms patch?
3. How to get this patch?

I would really appreciate if any of ull have travelled this path of trying to make 
Forms 3.0 work with Oracle 8i.

Thanks
Mandar

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RE: Oracle trace file question

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RE: Mass inserts from TCL ?

2002-09-10 Thread Mandar A. Ghosalkar
Title: Mass inserts from TCL ?



Hi 
Thomas,

hv u 
checked oratcl?
metalink note 1017044.6

-Mandar

  -Original Message-From: Thomas Jeff 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 5:23 
  PMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: Mass 
  inserts from TCL ?
  I have a programmer inquiring as to the 
  viability of having up to 10-15 concurrent client sessions inserting orders that would contain 
  anywhere from 100 to 6000 order line items each via TCL. The orders are 
  generated from a browser client and the whole shebang has to be real-time. 
  They initially planned on a loop within the 
  TCL code, each line item being an individual insert into the order items table via a stored 
  procedure. I'm still eliciting requirements, for instance, 
  does the whole order need to commit 
  or can they accept a partial order, and so forth. 
  I'm not familiar with TCL at all, so if 
  anyone has extensive experience in it, I would appreciate if you could share some programming techniques or 
  ideas as to how to perform, if possible, some form of batch processing, rather than up to 6000 individual calls 
  to the stored procedure. 
  Thanks. 
   Jeffery D Thomas DBA Thomson Information 
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RE: ArcServe 2000 Agent for Oracle

2002-09-03 Thread Mandar A. Ghosalkar

Jared,

i hope u hv taken care of veritas nbu licenses. the resellers try to apply 1 Oracle 
agent license for each database instance instead of 1 license for each server machine.

-Mandar

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 The ArcServe agent has a tendency to login to your database
 and never logout, eventually eating up all your processes or
 logins if you don't keep an eye on it.
 
 It also tries to backup TEMPORARY tablespaces by putting
 them in backup mode, generating an ORA-3217 in the process.
 
 FYI: We're replacing it this month with Veritas Net Backup.
 
 Jared
 
 
 On Sunday 01 September 2002 19:38, Jahan Shanai wrote:
  Hi,
 
  We are planning to use ArcServe 2000 Agent for Oracle to 
 take Hot Backup of
  our one of the databases. I was wondering whether anybody 
 encountered any
  issue?
 
  Thanks for youe feebback in advance.
 
 
  Jahan
 
 
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RE: Is there a way to determine which record was entered in last

2002-08-27 Thread Mandar A. Ghosalkar

If u r 9i, then 

create table t1 (c1 number) ;
set serveroutput on;
declare
   v1 number;
begin
   insert into t1 values(1) returning c1+10 into v1;
   dbms_output.put_line(v1);
end;

more at
http://otn.oracle.com/docs/products/oracle9i/doc_library/901_doc/server.901/a90125/statements_914.htm#2079891


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 Hi,
 
 I have records that have same key fields(PK was disabled) but 
 other fields
 are different.  Is there a way to determine which record was 
 inserted in
 last.
 I do not think rowid would guarantee it.
 
 Thanks
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off topic - How to find used and free capacity on a DLT IV tape

2002-08-21 Thread Mandar A. Ghosalkar

Hello Guys,

I am testing some backup scripts on a dlt library and trying to run manual backups.

mc -p /dev/dltrobotics -s S15 -d D1
backup -f /dev/rmt/4m -i /prod1 -v

Is there any easy way (other than keeping track of files being copied to tape) to find 
out space left on the tape(uncompressed/compressed)?

I am using a Maxell DLT IV 40/70 tape on a HP DLT 7000.

Thanks
Mandar

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dbms_application_info package tips/horror stories

2002-08-15 Thread Mandar A. Ghosalkar

Hello guys,

I am trying to implement a standard for my developers to use dbms_application_info 
package. I ran a 10046 trace against the package and i dont see much of load on the 
server.

Would like to know any tips/horror stories associated with dbms_application_info. Just 
want to take precautions before we change all of ur apps.

We hv tons of shell script jobs, cscripts, forms3, delphi, mid tier apps floating 
around our 7.3.4 databases.

btw i am gonna use the esteemed Steven Feuerstein's variation of a wrapper for the 
package.

Thanks
Mandar
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off topic - t1 line performance monitoring tool

2002-08-08 Thread Mandar A. Ghosalkar

Hello Listers,

We have two t1 lines between two of our sites and facing some network performance 
issues.

other than basic tools like tracert, do ull know about any network monitoring tools 
specific to t1 line issues.

thanks
Mandar





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RE: Ids and passwords for application users

2002-07-29 Thread Mandar A. Ghosalkar
Title: RE: Ids and passwords for application users



trying 
to understand how oracle 9i proxy authentication work.

is 
anyone using it?

  -Original Message-From: Jacques Kilchoer 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 4:28 
  PMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: RE: 
  Ids and passwords for application users
  I always preferred the option of having a userid for each 
  person, because it makes it easier to match session to user. When you say 
  userid "dwilliams" locking a table you know who to call, but if you see userid 
  "app_user" you have to do some extra work to track the person down. >From a 
  developer point of view, it's easier to determine the name of the logged in 
  user (use built-in "user" function) than it would be to find out the machine 
  name / application name (select * from v$session).
  If you have only one username with a password hard-coded in 
  the application, how do you plan on hiding the password from the user, or 
  changing the password if it becomes compromised?
   -Original Message-  
  From: DENNIS WILLIAMS [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Peter - Go with option #1 
  unless you relish a career as an  Oracle 
  security  officer. With option #1 the developers 
  can create some administrator  screens. Unless 
  security is really, really critical.  
   -Original Message-   I am in the process of designing a 
  small database which may have  as many as 250 to 
  300 users. We are reaching a stage where we need  to decide how we will control access to this database. As I 
  see it  we have two options:   1. Provide a single hidden 
  login for the entire application  and 
  control  access to the applicaiton itself either 
  by "roll your own" security or  using the 
  operating system (UNIX) controls.  
   2. Create ids for the users in Oracle and 
  grant them access  to the necessary tables using 
  roles.   Any opinions 
  or alternate suggestions?   Peter Schauss 


RE: Cursor Sharing| Soft Parsing

2002-07-25 Thread Mandar A. Ghosalkar

we have a lot of delphi and forms3 apps and Session_Cached_Cursors is zero for my 
database (7.3.4).
I am thinking of setting the above parameter to 50.
Also would monitor the stat 'session cursor cache hits' before and after setting the 
parameter.
Do i need to increase/decrease any other parameter with this change?

btw found this bug [BUG:931820]
Direct Load Fails When Session_Cached_Cursors is larger than 0

Pls advise if i am on a wrong track.

Thanks
Mandar

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When a SQL execution is requested the Shared SQL is first examined to see if
the statement is in memory. The first time SQL is processed it goes through
a hard parse, the most expensive parsing operation. A hard parse performs
the following: checking syntax; validating all database objects referenced,
(tables and columns); naming translation, (synonyms); authenticating user
privileges on all tables and columns; producing a SQL execution plan via the
optimizer; hashing and storing the parsed statement in the Shared SQL Area.

If the SQL statement is found in the Shared Pool then a soft parse may be
performed in an attempt to use a shareable cursor. There are three types of
soft parses: 1) The first time a SQL statement is found in the shared pool
Oracle performs name translation, user authentication, and adds the user to
the authentication list. 2) On the second soft parse name translation does
not need to be performed but user authentication does just in case user
privileges were changed since the last execution.; 3) An entry is created
for the session's cursor cache and future cursor CLOSEs are ignored. Once in
the session cursor cache the SQL statement does not need to be reparsed.
This gives a significant performance boost!

Giving credit where due: The above was inspired from pages 277-280 in
Scaling Oracle8i by James Morle.


Steve Orr
Bozeman, Montana



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Importance: High


Please define soft parsing.  Oracle needs to check that  the user submitting
a SQL statement has permissions to run it.  It has to do this every time a
statement is run, bind variables or not.  I thought the processing  of the
statement to check permissions to be soft parsing.
But,  perhaps I'm misinformed.

When cursor-sharing  converts a statement to use  bind variables it would
save on hard parsing, if a match were found the pool; also, it could lessen
the number of statements present in the pool.

Ian MacGregor
Stanford Linear Accelerator Center
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RE: flexfield for Supplier's email address in 10.7NCA

2002-07-25 Thread Mandar A. Ghosalkar

John
 
 Are you looking at a form that already has a ff that you can
 modify? The Delpi program querying this will have to deal 
 with the right
 ATTRIBUTEnn column (I think) on the view that results from the DFV.

I need the Payables clerk to enter the email address for a Supplier. So i am talking 
about the Supplier Entry form APXVDMVD (ver 8.6.165).
There is a DFF square bracket indicator just below the Tax Registration Number on my 
10.7 NCA client with forms 4.5.10.13.0
But clicking on it does not invoke a popup page(bcos no DFF has been defined for that 
form).

Although we have a test db instance on diff sever from the production, both of them 
share the same midtier.
We have different urls to access the prod and test apps. but there are few folks who 
are worried that while testing with DFF, we corrupt the midtier forms, because they 
saw a COMPILE button on a FlexField setup form.

Also here we try to avoid outside consultants, so the burden lies on me to find a 
solution.

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RE: Netbackup BusinessServer ver 3.3/3.4/4.5 on HP-UX 10.2

2002-07-24 Thread Mandar A. Ghosalkar

Last try

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Hello Listers,

We are about to call veritas for a netbackup businessserver solution for our databases 
on hp k570 10.2 boxes

A Veritas Vendor is proposing Netbackup BusinessServer 4.5 on hp 10.2

Any of ull implemented ver Netbackup BusinessServer ver 3.3/3.4/4.5 on HP-UX 10.2 ?


Thanks
Mandar
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flexfield for Supplier's email address in 10.7NCA

2002-07-24 Thread Mandar A. Ghosalkar

Anyone using a flexfield for Supplier's email address in 10.7NCA AP?

We want to record an email for the Supplier which we can use to send PO. But we are on 
MSOB and to upgrade to 11i would take some time.

Reading the manuals on Flexfields, but if someone has any tricks, pls let me know.

Thanks
Mandar
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RE: flexfield for Supplier's email address in 10.7NCA

2002-07-24 Thread Mandar A. Ghosalkar

John,

Thanks for caution. btw we need a descriptive flexfield with minimal validation. also 
the email entered by the Payables Clerk would be queried and processed by an external 
homegrown delphi app, so i am not sure what Custom code in 10.7 u r referring to.

i do hv a test database which i can break. 

came to know that we do pay membership fees to OAUG. just need to find who is NOT 
using the OAUG resources and get the login info.

just listened to the flexfield class on ilearning. need to learn more about 
FlexBuilder.

Would appreciate any links other than manual :) on descriptive flexfields.

-Mandar



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Mandar,

 Anyone using a flexfield for Supplier's email address in 10.7NCA AP?
 We want to record an email for the Supplier which we can use 
 to send PO. But we are on MSOB and to upgrade to 11i would 
 take some time.
 Reading the manuals on Flexfields, but if someone has any 
 tricks, pls let me know.

Are you sure you are the one who is asked to do this? This should fall under
the realm of a 'Functional' person. And what about the Custom code that will
be required to process this field? That will be the realm of a 'Technical'
person (read Developer in Apps-ese). Changing Flexfields is not a trivial
issue and is certainly not something a 'normal' DBA should do... And you
_have_ to stick to the Apps guidelines, which are numerous.

In other words, this is like asking a automobile driver to modify the
blueprints of a car. This is not to discourage you, but maybe the
Organization should get someone who has to fill these roles... More details
at www.oaug.org and of course the manuals!

John Kanagaraj
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Netbackup BusinessServer ver 3.3/3.4/4.5 on HP-UX 10.2

2002-07-23 Thread Mandar A. Ghosalkar

Hello Listers,

We are about to call veritas for a netbackup businessserver solution for our databases 
on hp k570 10.2 boxes

A Veritas Vendor is proposing Netbackup BusinessServer 4.5 on hp 10.2

Any of ull implemented ver Netbackup BusinessServer ver 3.3/3.4/4.5 on HP-UX 10.2 ?


Thanks
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faster refreshes of Datamarts;Shareplex;ETL;Asynchronous Replication

2002-07-11 Thread Mandar A. Ghosalkar

Hello guys,

i was wondering if any of ull use Quest Shareplex for Datawarehouse ETL and/or 
Reporting instance.

i am creating a data mart/reporting instance. The source database is a 7.3.4 on HP-ux 
10.2

The destination(development) is 9i on Win2k. Still not figured out the platform for 9i 
(production).

1. has anyone used Shareplex to transfer logs from 7.3.4 to 9i on different platforms.
2. i havent worked with replication. are there sites which use readonly snapshots for 
creating reporting databases between different db versions. is it feasible and 
recommendable?
3. i am going to use direct path exp and also try to get exp compiled as single task. 
are there any success stories by making exp as single task.
4. The developers want to try out asynchronous replication on few of our large tables.

any tricks ull use to refresh reporting/datamarts having different versions. if the 
source had been 8/9 i would hv tried PEL or transportable tablespaces, but with 7.3.4 
as sources i am short of ideas.

TIA
Mandar

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RE: listener configuration on HP serviceguard clusters

2002-07-11 Thread Mandar A. Ghosalkar
Title: listener configuration on HP serviceguard clusters



Matt,

i hv 2 
nodes in hp mc/sg non-ops config. each hving production instances. also each 
providing failover for other node.

:( 
7.3.4 on 10.2

each 
has it own listner listener_${ORACLE_SID}

Node 
1:
listener: LISTENER_SID1 on 1555

Node 
2:

listener: LISTENER_SID2 on 1556

We use package address(name) in the 
listener.ora

When failover happens for either node onto 
standby node, cant u start different listener for each failedover instance. 


hth
Mandar

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  clusters
  If anybody out there is using HP ServiceGuard for 
  non-OPS/RAC, I would be interested to know how you 
  configure the listeners. Do you use the machine IP 
  address or the package address in the listener.ora (or 
  do you not have a listener.ora and use dynamic 
  registration) 
  One of the sys admins here instists that the following 
  scenerio will not work. 
  three nodes - two with one package each (containing 
  Oracle) and one standby node. 
  When the first package fails over to the standby node, it 
  starts a listener using no listener.ora file, allowing 
  the instances to dynamically register. When the 
  second package fails over to the standby node, it does 
  not start a listener. 
  All client tnsnames.ora files use package names for 
  HOST. 
  Do the instances in the second package register successfully 
  with the listener and can clients connect to 
  them? 
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SAN - Oracle - Pitfalls - Adv/Disadvantages??

2002-06-14 Thread Mandar A. Ghosalkar

Hello Guys,

any guys here who have SAN. We are inviting a SAN vendor for possible solutions for 
our enterprise. 

i am unaware about how SAN would affect me as DBA. Also we are thinking about how we 
can use OS level block replication between two database servers located in different 
cities(SF and LA).

any suggestion about pitfalls?

TIA
Mandar
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RE: Oracle Diagnostic and Tuning Packs

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RE: Oracle Diagnostic and Tuning Packs

2002-05-13 Thread Mandar A. Ghosalkar

Jared,

I can start OEM Change Manager 9.0 and edit a table rename script, add my own custom 
code and let oem run that as a job, or copy the sql and run it from sql*plus.

Mandar


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 All the events in OEM 2.2 and 9 use tcl scripts. Also u can use OS 
script and create ur own events scripts.

Mandar,

That may be so, but that doesn't give you access to the scripts that OEM
generates to accomplish the change.

As for writing my own TCL ( ugh ), if I have to write it myself anyway, I 
don't
need OEM.

Jared






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Jared,

All the events in OEM 2.2 and 9 use tcl scripts. Also u can use OS script 
and create ur own events scripts.

for eg, i have an oem job which does a logical export for my unix and 
windows oracle databases and then fire a tcl script to change the export 
filename to add the timestamp.

Also the change propogation is implemented as scripts which u can modify 
and copy them to write ur own.

Also, Dennis, in 9i oem Performane Manager u can hv Statspack style 
reports.
The Performance Data Report collection option allows you to collect a set 
of data that is similar to the Oracle STATSPACK utility.

the only drawback i found was of version compatibility. In our enterprise 
(7.3,8.0,8.1,9.0) i becomes a headache sometimes maintaing the agents, 
management servers and consoles. 

Mandar

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Kimberly,

The difference was that OEM gave push buttons only.  If the change 
operation failed, there was no access to the underlying scripts.

Quest gives you that access, which can be very important in the
case of failures.  OEM is strictly a black box, or at least it was when
we looked at it.  Maybe it's changed since then?

Jared






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And I normally don't disagree with you Jared but in this case I must.
I evaluated both quite extensively just a month or so ago.  They both
give you the same type of control really, just in a slightly different
format.  OEM's was actually easier to use with no prior instruction.
Both are push button per say.  Just a different look at the push buttons.

I actually would have probably used Quests in the end but their pricing
structure can at times be a little brutal, even compared to Oracle's 
OEM.  I would have been perfectly happy to take OEM.  In the end we are
getting neither cause of budget issues.  Embarcadero's was disappointing
at best.  It provided very little mechanism for flexibility.

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I will have to respectfully disagree with that, at least in part.

There is a big difference between change management in 
OEM tools and Quest tools, Quest's tools being much better.

The OEM tools are push button, just like MicroSlush garbage.
Meaing:  The OEM tools do no give you near the control
over managing change and synching schemas across 
databases that Quest's tools allow.

Having said that, I don't use either.  Had I a need for serious
change management though, Quest would win hands down.

Jared

On Sunday 12 May 2002 06:43, Yechiel Adar wrote:
 Hello Peter

 We did a comparison between quest tools and OEM.
 The bottom line was that all these tools gives you about the same
 functionality and there is no BIG difference between them.

 Our manager got a better deal from Oracle so we bought these packs.

 We hope to start implementing them this quarter.

 Yechiel Adar
 Mehish
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  Are these addons to OEM worth buying?
 
  Thanks
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