Oracle Internals course URL
Here is a URL pointing to the public Oracle Internals course: http://education.oracle.com/seminars/track3.html It is based on a course offered to Oracle employees. The instructor is excellent. Regards, Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) Systems Admin & Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des systèmes Technology Services| Services technologiques Informatics Branch | Direction de l'informatique Maritimes Region, DFO | Région des Maritimes, MPO E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Oracle Internals course
Scott mentioned that he taught the course in Europe at some point. He also mentioned Japan, the U.S.. I got the impression he might be involved with the Oracle Masters testing. Regards, Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) Systems Admin & Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des systèmes Technology Services| Services technologiques Informatics Branch | Direction de l'informatique Maritimes Region, DFO | Région des Maritimes, MPO E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 10:44 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Tim, Do you mean this Scott Gosset is working here in the Netherlands or used to be? Any idea about these courses in the Netherlands? I can always call Oracle support here but I doubt if they know about it. Tia, Jeroen -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Fw: Oracle Internals course
Stephane Faroult wrote: > No John, the author of DUL is Bernard van forgot-his-name. Van Damme? -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Gogala, Mladen INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: Fw: Oracle Internals course
John Kanagaraj wrote: > > Isn't Lex also the author (or initial creator) of DUL (DataUnLoader) that is > charged out at $500/hr? (or is it $5000?) > > John > No John, the author of DUL is Bernard van forgot-his-name. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Stephane Faroult INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Fw: Oracle Internals course
$5000 per 8 hours, in 8 hour segments, at least when I used it --- John Kanagaraj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Isn't Lex also the author (or initial creator) of DUL (DataUnLoader) > that is > charged out at $500/hr? (or is it $5000?) > > John > > > -Original Message- > > From: Tim Gorman [mailto:Tim@;SageLogix.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 3:58 PM > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > Subject: Fw: Fw: Oracle Internals course > > > > > > Advice for those seeking to have the Internals seminars > > presented in their > > area/region/continent (from Lex de Haan, original curriculum > > developer of > > the Internals seminars series, based in Oracle Netherlands)... > > > > > seminars in general (and the DSI ones in particular) are > > delivered in an > > ad hoc > > > manner in Europe, on a per country basis -- there is no > > coordination at > > the > > > regional level. that's the disadvantage of Europe compared > > with the US: > > Europe > > > consists of 20+ countries, and the US is a single one :-) > > > > > > I am 99% sure the DSI seminars are delivered on a regular > > basis in the UK, > > by my > > > good old friend Joel Goodman. we also deliver them every > > once in a while > > in the > > > Netherlands. Typically, they should contact the local OU > > department at > > the > > > country level. If they ask often enough, they will automatically > be > > scheduled :-) > > > > > > Kind regards, > > > > > > Lex > > > > NOTE: "DSI" stands for "data server internals"... > > > > > > -- > > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com > > -- > > Author: Tim Gorman > > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > > San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting > services > > > - > > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > > also send the HELP command for other information (like > subscribing). > > > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com > -- > Author: John Kanagaraj > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services > - > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). __ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Rachel Carmichael INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Fw: Oracle Internals course
Nope Afaik that's Bernard van Duijnen. jack -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 1:38 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Isn't Lex also the author (or initial creator) of DUL (DataUnLoader) that is charged out at $500/hr? (or is it $5000?) John > -Original Message- > From: Tim Gorman [mailto:Tim@;SageLogix.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 3:58 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > Subject: Fw: Fw: Oracle Internals course > > > Advice for those seeking to have the Internals seminars > presented in their > area/region/continent (from Lex de Haan, original curriculum > developer of > the Internals seminars series, based in Oracle Netherlands)... > > > seminars in general (and the DSI ones in particular) are > delivered in an > ad hoc > > manner in Europe, on a per country basis -- there is no > coordination at > the > > regional level. that's the disadvantage of Europe compared > with the US: > Europe > > consists of 20+ countries, and the US is a single one :-) > > > > I am 99% sure the DSI seminars are delivered on a regular > basis in the UK, > by my > > good old friend Joel Goodman. we also deliver them every > once in a while > in the > > Netherlands. Typically, they should contact the local OU > department at > the > > country level. If they ask often enough, they will automatically be > scheduled :-) > > > > Kind regards, > > > > Lex > > NOTE: "DSI" stands for "data server internals"... > > > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com > -- > Author: Tim Gorman > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services > - > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). > -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: John Kanagaraj INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Jack van Zanen INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Fw: Oracle Internals course
Isn't Lex also the author (or initial creator) of DUL (DataUnLoader) that is charged out at $500/hr? (or is it $5000?) John > -Original Message- > From: Tim Gorman [mailto:Tim@;SageLogix.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 3:58 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > Subject: Fw: Fw: Oracle Internals course > > > Advice for those seeking to have the Internals seminars > presented in their > area/region/continent (from Lex de Haan, original curriculum > developer of > the Internals seminars series, based in Oracle Netherlands)... > > > seminars in general (and the DSI ones in particular) are > delivered in an > ad hoc > > manner in Europe, on a per country basis -- there is no > coordination at > the > > regional level. that's the disadvantage of Europe compared > with the US: > Europe > > consists of 20+ countries, and the US is a single one :-) > > > > I am 99% sure the DSI seminars are delivered on a regular > basis in the UK, > by my > > good old friend Joel Goodman. we also deliver them every > once in a while > in the > > Netherlands. Typically, they should contact the local OU > department at > the > > country level. If they ask often enough, they will automatically be > scheduled :-) > > > > Kind regards, > > > > Lex > > NOTE: "DSI" stands for "data server internals"... > > > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com > -- > Author: Tim Gorman > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services > - > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). > -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: John Kanagaraj INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Fw: Fw: Oracle Internals course
Advice for those seeking to have the Internals seminars presented in their area/region/continent (from Lex de Haan, original curriculum developer of the Internals seminars series, based in Oracle Netherlands)... > seminars in general (and the DSI ones in particular) are delivered in an ad hoc > manner in Europe, on a per country basis -- there is no coordination at the > regional level. that's the disadvantage of Europe compared with the US: Europe > consists of 20+ countries, and the US is a single one :-) > > I am 99% sure the DSI seminars are delivered on a regular basis in the UK, by my > good old friend Joel Goodman. we also deliver them every once in a while in the > Netherlands. Typically, they should contact the local OU department at the > country level. If they ask often enough, they will automatically be scheduled :-) > > Kind regards, > > Lex NOTE: "DSI" stands for "data server internals"... -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Tim Gorman INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Oracle Internals course
According to my instructor (I'm in class this week), Oracle hasn't officially blessed upgrading these seminars to 9i yet. Dennis Williams DBA, 40%OCP Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: Oracle Internals course
Jeroen, Scott is the instructor -- he didn't develop the curriculum. Let me check -- I don't want to publish the someone's name to this list and have it be a big surprise or an inconvenience... :-) More soon... -Tim - Original Message - To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 7:43 AM > Tim, > > Do you mean this Scott Gosset is working here in the Netherlands or > used to be? Any idea about these courses in the Netherlands? > I can always call Oracle support here but I doubt if they know > about it. > > Tia, > > Jeroen > > > -Oorspronkelijk bericht- > Van: Tim Gorman [mailto:Tim@;SageLogix.com] > Verzonden: dinsdag 29 oktober 2002 14:09 > Aan: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > Onderwerp: Re: Oracle Internals course > > > Back in 1999, I taught the 8.0 version of these seminars in Venezuela and > Argentina and was scheduled to do so in Columbia as well, except for some > minor problems like a US State Department travel warning due to kidnapping > of US citizens. > > I don't know if they ever tried to teach these in more obscure places like > the UK and Europe, but since they were compiled by a guy in Oracle > Netherlands, it is quite probable. I'm guessing that if the request was > made in sufficient numbers, then it could be arranged, if its not already > hidden somewhere on the website? > > - Original Message - > To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 4:58 AM > > > Are these Internals classes only available in the US? > > -Original Message- > Carmichael > Sent: 29 October 2002 11:04 > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > Tom, > > I didn't mean to imply that you were going into damagement! > > I was lucky enough to have someone point me to "seminars" and figured > I'd share my luck. > > I think the reason they don't publicize it is that he is the only one > teaching it and it's full without publicizing. Can you imagine if they > made it generally available? He'd have time to do nothing else! > > Rachel > > --- Tom Pall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Rachel, I'm not bucking for a management slot by being clueless about > > the > > details. Really I'm not. I registered online for the internals > > course by > > searching for it. I just kind of assumed from what Scott said that I > > just > > managed to luck out when I searched for the course and found it. I > > mistakenly assumed the course was quietly being removed from online > > registration after hearing Scott's statements about hiding and not > > publicizing the course. > > - Original Message - > > To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 8:58 PM > > > > > > > I registered for it online, at education.oracle.com > > > > > > you have to search on seminars, not classes. It's difficult to > > find, > > > but it IS there > > > > > > > > > --- Tom Pall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > RE: Oracle Internals courseThat rumor's been going on for > > versions > > > > now. As has been Scott's desire to offer a two week internals > > > > course. Course participants would sign all sorts of > > non-disclosure > > > > forms then get a scaled down version of what's taught to Customer > > > > Support. Wait a minute! Customer Support takes these courses? > > Surely > > > > not all the Silver Support people I've called. A difficulty with > > a > > > > two week course is that the very DBAs most likely to benefit from > > the > > > > course are the ones least likely to be let free for two weeks. > > > > > > > > The internals course is slated to be yanked every time a new > > version > > > > of Oracle comes out. Why teach internals when there are no > > > > initialization parameters and the database maintains and tunes > > > > itself? There's been an economic downturn and Oracle DBAs have > > lost > > > > their jobs. But anybody know an Oracle DBA who lost his job > > because > > > > a later version doesn't require a DBA? Oracle on CDs 1,2 and 3, > > huh? > > > > I think if I dig enough I can find that old version of Oracle I > > had > > > > that came on a single diskette. > > &
RE: Oracle Internals course
"Some guy in the Netherlands" uh huh --- Anjo Kolk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > No I have given them for Oracle in Holland, Belgium, Norway, > Singapore > and Malaysia. > > Anjo. > > -Original Message- > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 12:58 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > Are these Internals classes only available in the US? > > -Original Message- > Carmichael > Sent: 29 October 2002 11:04 > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > Subject: Re: Oracle Internals course > > Tom, > > I didn't mean to imply that you were going into damagement! > > I was lucky enough to have someone point me to "seminars" and figured > I'd share my luck. > > I think the reason they don't publicize it is that he is the only one > teaching it and it's full without publicizing. Can you imagine if > they > made it generally available? He'd have time to do nothing else! > > Rachel > > --- Tom Pall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Rachel, I'm not bucking for a management slot by being clueless > about > > the > > details. Really I'm not. I registered online for the internals > > course by > > searching for it. I just kind of assumed from what Scott said that > I > > just > > managed to luck out when I searched for the course and found it. I > > mistakenly assumed the course was quietly being removed from online > > registration after hearing Scott's statements about hiding and not > > publicizing the course. > > - Original Message - > > To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 8:58 PM > > > > > > > I registered for it online, at education.oracle.com > > > > > > you have to search on seminars, not classes. It's difficult to > > find, > > > but it IS there > > > > > > > > > --- Tom Pall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > RE: Oracle Internals courseThat rumor's been going on for > > versions > > > > now. As has been Scott's desire to offer a two week internals > > > > course. Course participants would sign all sorts of > > non-disclosure > > > > forms then get a scaled down version of what's taught to > Customer > > > > Support. Wait a minute! Customer Support takes these courses? > > Surely > > > > not all the Silver Support people I've called. A difficulty > with > > a > > > > two week course is that the very DBAs most likely to benefit > from > > the > > > > course are the ones least likely to be let free for two weeks. > > > > > > > > The internals course is slated to be yanked every time a new > > version > > > > of Oracle comes out. Why teach internals when there are no > > > > initialization parameters and the database maintains and tunes > > > > itself? There's been an economic downturn and Oracle DBAs have > > lost > > > > their jobs. But anybody know an Oracle DBA who lost his job > > because > > > > a later version doesn't require a DBA? Oracle on CDs 1,2 and > 3, > > huh? > > > > I think if I dig enough I can find that old version of Oracle > I > > had > > > > that came on a single diskette. > > > > > > > > Scott says the internals course is purposely hidden. You have > to > > > > call Oracle directly and ask for it. A number of people > > registered > > > > for the course from the paper or online catalogs, showed up > then > > > > complained that they weren't about to get anything out of the > > > > course.. > > > > - Original Message - > > > > From: Nick Wagner > > > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > > Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 3:23 PM > > > > Subject: RE: Oracle Internals course > > > > > > > > > > > > rumor has it that this course is not going to be > > offered/modified > > > > for the 9.2 release of Oracle. Can anyone confirm or deny it? > > > > > > > > Nick > > > > > > > > p.s. Had a close friend take this class, and they also came > > back > > > > extremely pleased with it. > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > > From: Rachel Carmichael [mailto:wis
Re: Oracle Internals course
Mark Leith wrote: > > What is shown to you on the Oracle Ed site, is actually based upon where you are >located, within your login profile. I don't see any mention of "Seminars" what so >ever (being UK based).. Can anyone else in the UK confirm this? > > Cheers > > Mark > Nothing of the sort visible from the other side of the Channel either. -- Regards, Stephane Faroult Oriole Software -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Stephane Faroult INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Oracle Internals course
Scott Heisey taught the "New Features for 8i" administrators class that I took. Yeah, he's in my top ten of Oracle instructors. A not at all complete, in no particular order list is: Scott Gossett Scott Heisey Sue Jang John Hough Please note, I have NOT taken classes from all the Oracle instructors, nor have I taken a class in recent years, so if there are new and/or as good, instructors, I don't know of them. Rachel --- "Gogala, Mladen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Actually, he isn't. There is another guy, named Scott Heisey, who > teaches > an OPS/RAC version of this course. He is also supposed to be one of > the > great sages of the Oracle Corp. I've attended Scott Gossett's course > and it > was fabulous. I've only heard about Scott Heisey and it is my great > wish to > go to his course. > > > -Original Message- > > From: Rachel Carmichael [mailto:wisernet100@;yahoo.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 8:24 AM > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > Subject: RE: Oracle Internals course > > > > > > that I know of yes unfortunately, because I believe Scott is the > only > > one teaching the classes. > > > > Is there a separate and distinct Oracle education site for the UK > and > > Europe? > > > > Rachel > > --- Mark Leith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Are these Internals classes only available in the US? > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > Carmichael > > > Sent: 29 October 2002 11:04 > > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > Subject: Re: Oracle Internals course > > > > > > Tom, > > > > > > I didn't mean to imply that you were going into damagement! > > > > > > I was lucky enough to have someone point me to "seminars" > > and figured > > > I'd share my luck. > > > > > > I think the reason they don't publicize it is that he is > > the only one > > > teaching it and it's full without publicizing. Can you imagine if > > > they > > > made it generally available? He'd have time to do nothing else! > > > > > > Rachel > > > > > > --- Tom Pall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Rachel, I'm not bucking for a management slot by being clueless > > > about > > > > the > > > > details. Really I'm not. I registered online for the > internals > > > > course by > > > > searching for it. I just kind of assumed from what Scott > > said that > > > I > > > > just > > > > managed to luck out when I searched for the course and > > found it. I > > > > mistakenly assumed the course was quietly being removed > > from online > > > > registration after hearing Scott's statements about hiding and > not > > > > publicizing the course. > > > > - Original Message - > > > > To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 8:58 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > I registered for it online, at education.oracle.com > > > > > > > > > > you have to search on seminars, not classes. It's difficult > to > > > > find, > > > > > but it IS there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Tom Pall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > RE: Oracle Internals courseThat rumor's been going on for > > > > versions > > > > > > now. As has been Scott's desire to offer a two week > internals > > > > > > course. Course participants would sign all sorts of > > > > non-disclosure > > > > > > forms then get a scaled down version of what's taught to > > > Customer > > > > > > Support. Wait a minute! Customer Support takes these > courses? > > > > Surely > > > > > > not all the Silver Support people I've called. A > difficulty > > > with > > > > a > > > > > > two week course is that the very DBAs most likely to > benefit > > > from > > > > the > > > > > > course are the ones least likely to be let free for two > weeks. > > > > > > > > > > > > The internals course is slated to be yanked every time a > n
Re: Oracle Internals course
Title: Message Oracle didn't start offering instruction directly at your desktop or urge you to open up an iTAR instead of talking to a Customer Service person for nothing. People are expensive. - Original Message - From: Bob Metelsky To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 8:33 AM Subject: RE: Oracle Internals course It is just me or does 500-2000 per day seem a little "steep"? Oracle8i: Everything You Always Wanted to Know about the Optimizer Instructor-Led inClass US$ 500 1 Day English English OR INTRODUCTION TO ORACLE9I: SQL (ILT) BLOOMFIELD, CT 02-DEC-02 US$2000 Remove from Shopping Cart INTRODUCTION TO ORACLE 8I: SQL AND PL/SQL (ILT) BLOOMFIELD, CT 17-FEB-03 US$2000 Remove from Shopping Cart ADVANCED PL/SQL (ILT) BLOOMFIELD, CT 07-NOV-02 US$1000 Remove from Shopping Cart
Re: Oracle Internals course
No. Scott said he's been to a number of Pacific Ocean countries to teach the course. I suspect those courses where hosted by a company which had offered enough internal enrollment. As I recall, there's another instructor who also teaches the Internals, Crashes/Dump/Traces and Backup/Recovery seminars. Be careful of all Oracle courses. Some of them are subcontracted out. I don't warn you to put down consultants. But this thread has been about Scott and his internals course. Scott's the star. If you really want to make sure Scott's going to teach your course, phone him up or drop him an email. Don't expect him to respond the same day you try to contact him. When he's teaching, he's tied up through lunch and dinner and sometimes even on the ride to the airport. Many people go to the course with specific questions they want answered. Scott often handles those during out of class hours. - Original Message - To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 5:58 AM Are these Internals classes only available in the US? -Original Message- Carmichael Sent: 29 October 2002 11:04 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Tom, I didn't mean to imply that you were going into damagement! I was lucky enough to have someone point me to "seminars" and figured I'd share my luck. I think the reason they don't publicize it is that he is the only one teaching it and it's full without publicizing. Can you imagine if they made it generally available? He'd have time to do nothing else! Rachel --- Tom Pall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Rachel, I'm not bucking for a management slot by being clueless about > the > details. Really I'm not. I registered online for the internals > course by > searching for it. I just kind of assumed from what Scott said that I > just > managed to luck out when I searched for the course and found it. I > mistakenly assumed the course was quietly being removed from online > registration after hearing Scott's statements about hiding and not > publicizing the course. > - Original Message - > To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 8:58 PM > > > > I registered for it online, at education.oracle.com > > > > you have to search on seminars, not classes. It's difficult to > find, > > but it IS there > > > > > > --- Tom Pall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > RE: Oracle Internals courseThat rumor's been going on for > versions > > > now. As has been Scott's desire to offer a two week internals > > > course. Course participants would sign all sorts of > non-disclosure > > > forms then get a scaled down version of what's taught to Customer > > > Support. Wait a minute! Customer Support takes these courses? > Surely > > > not all the Silver Support people I've called. A difficulty with > a > > > two week course is that the very DBAs most likely to benefit from > the > > > course are the ones least likely to be let free for two weeks. > > > > > > The internals course is slated to be yanked every time a new > version > > > of Oracle comes out. Why teach internals when there are no > > > initialization parameters and the database maintains and tunes > > > itself? There's been an economic downturn and Oracle DBAs have > lost > > > their jobs. But anybody know an Oracle DBA who lost his job > because > > > a later version doesn't require a DBA? Oracle on CDs 1,2 and 3, > huh? > > > I think if I dig enough I can find that old version of Oracle I > had > > > that came on a single diskette. > > > > > > Scott says the internals course is purposely hidden. You have to > > > call Oracle directly and ask for it. A number of people > registered > > > for the course from the paper or online catalogs, showed up then > > > complained that they weren't about to get anything out of the > > > course.. > > > - Original Message - > > > From: Nick Wagner > > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 3:23 PM > > > Subject: RE: Oracle Internals course > > > > > > > > > rumor has it that this course is not going to be > offered/modified > > > for the 9.2 release of Oracle. Can anyone confirm or deny it? > > > > > > Nick > > > > > > p.s. Had a close friend take this class, and they also came > back &g
Re: Oracle Internals course
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RE: Oracle Internals course
What is shown to you on the Oracle Ed site, is actually based upon where you are located, within your login profile. I don't see any mention of "Seminars" what so ever (being UK based).. Can anyone else in the UK confirm this? Cheers Mark -Original Message- Carmichael Sent: 29 October 2002 13:24 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: Oracle Internals course that I know of yes unfortunately, because I believe Scott is the only one teaching the classes. Is there a separate and distinct Oracle education site for the UK and Europe? Rachel --- Mark Leith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Are these Internals classes only available in the US? > > -Original Message- > Carmichael > Sent: 29 October 2002 11:04 > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > Subject: Re: Oracle Internals course > > Tom, > > I didn't mean to imply that you were going into damagement! > > I was lucky enough to have someone point me to "seminars" and figured > I'd share my luck. > > I think the reason they don't publicize it is that he is the only one > teaching it and it's full without publicizing. Can you imagine if > they > made it generally available? He'd have time to do nothing else! > > Rachel > > --- Tom Pall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Rachel, I'm not bucking for a management slot by being clueless > about > > the > > details. Really I'm not. I registered online for the internals > > course by > > searching for it. I just kind of assumed from what Scott said that > I > > just > > managed to luck out when I searched for the course and found it. I > > mistakenly assumed the course was quietly being removed from online > > registration after hearing Scott's statements about hiding and not > > publicizing the course. > > - Original Message - > > To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 8:58 PM > > > > > > > I registered for it online, at education.oracle.com > > > > > > you have to search on seminars, not classes. It's difficult to > > find, > > > but it IS there > > > > > > > > > --- Tom Pall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > RE: Oracle Internals courseThat rumor's been going on for > > versions > > > > now. As has been Scott's desire to offer a two week internals > > > > course. Course participants would sign all sorts of > > non-disclosure > > > > forms then get a scaled down version of what's taught to > Customer > > > > Support. Wait a minute! Customer Support takes these courses? > > Surely > > > > not all the Silver Support people I've called. A difficulty > with > > a > > > > two week course is that the very DBAs most likely to benefit > from > > the > > > > course are the ones least likely to be let free for two weeks. > > > > > > > > The internals course is slated to be yanked every time a new > > version > > > > of Oracle comes out. Why teach internals when there are no > > > > initialization parameters and the database maintains and tunes > > > > itself? There's been an economic downturn and Oracle DBAs have > > lost > > > > their jobs. But anybody know an Oracle DBA who lost his job > > because > > > > a later version doesn't require a DBA? Oracle on CDs 1,2 and > 3, > > huh? > > > > I think if I dig enough I can find that old version of Oracle > I > > had > > > > that came on a single diskette. > > > > > > > > Scott says the internals course is purposely hidden. You have > to > > > > call Oracle directly and ask for it. A number of people > > registered > > > > for the course from the paper or online catalogs, showed up > then > > > > complained that they weren't about to get anything out of the > > > > course.. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: Nick Wagner > > > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > > Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 3:23 PM > > > > Subject: RE: Oracle Internals course > > > > > > > > > > > > rumor has it that this course is not going to be > > offered/modified > > > > for the 9.2 release of Oracle. Can anyone confirm or deny it? > > > > > > > > Nick
RE: Oracle Internals course
Actually, he isn't. There is another guy, named Scott Heisey, who teaches an OPS/RAC version of this course. He is also supposed to be one of the great sages of the Oracle Corp. I've attended Scott Gossett's course and it was fabulous. I've only heard about Scott Heisey and it is my great wish to go to his course. > -Original Message- > From: Rachel Carmichael [mailto:wisernet100@;yahoo.com] > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 8:24 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > Subject: RE: Oracle Internals course > > > that I know of yes unfortunately, because I believe Scott is the only > one teaching the classes. > > Is there a separate and distinct Oracle education site for the UK and > Europe? > > Rachel > --- Mark Leith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Are these Internals classes only available in the US? > > > > -Original Message- > > Carmichael > > Sent: 29 October 2002 11:04 > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > Subject:Re: Oracle Internals course > > > > Tom, > > > > I didn't mean to imply that you were going into damagement! > > > > I was lucky enough to have someone point me to "seminars" > and figured > > I'd share my luck. > > > > I think the reason they don't publicize it is that he is > the only one > > teaching it and it's full without publicizing. Can you imagine if > > they > > made it generally available? He'd have time to do nothing else! > > > > Rachel > > > > --- Tom Pall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Rachel, I'm not bucking for a management slot by being clueless > > about > > > the > > > details. Really I'm not. I registered online for the internals > > > course by > > > searching for it. I just kind of assumed from what Scott > said that > > I > > > just > > > managed to luck out when I searched for the course and > found it. I > > > mistakenly assumed the course was quietly being removed > from online > > > registration after hearing Scott's statements about hiding and not > > > publicizing the course. > > > - Original Message - > > > To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 8:58 PM > > > > > > > > > > I registered for it online, at education.oracle.com > > > > > > > > you have to search on seminars, not classes. It's difficult to > > > find, > > > > but it IS there > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Tom Pall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > RE: Oracle Internals courseThat rumor's been going on for > > > versions > > > > > now. As has been Scott's desire to offer a two week internals > > > > > course. Course participants would sign all sorts of > > > non-disclosure > > > > > forms then get a scaled down version of what's taught to > > Customer > > > > > Support. Wait a minute! Customer Support takes these courses? > > > Surely > > > > > not all the Silver Support people I've called. A difficulty > > with > > > a > > > > > two week course is that the very DBAs most likely to benefit > > from > > > the > > > > > course are the ones least likely to be let free for two weeks. > > > > > > > > > > The internals course is slated to be yanked every time a new > > > version > > > > > of Oracle comes out. Why teach internals when there are no > > > > > initialization parameters and the database maintains and tunes > > > > > itself? There's been an economic downturn and Oracle > DBAs have > > > lost > > > > > their jobs. But anybody know an Oracle DBA who lost his job > > > because > > > > > a later version doesn't require a DBA? Oracle on CDs 1,2 and > > 3, > > > huh? > > > > > I think if I dig enough I can find that old version of Oracle > > I > > > had > > > > > that came on a single diskette. > > > > > > > > > > Scott says the internals course is purposely hidden. You have > > to > > > > > call Oracle directly and ask for it. A number of people > > > registered > > > > > for the course from the paper or online catalogs, showed up >
RE: Oracle Internals course
Tim, Do you mean this Scott Gosset is working here in the Netherlands or used to be? Any idea about these courses in the Netherlands? I can always call Oracle support here but I doubt if they know about it. Tia, Jeroen -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Tim Gorman [mailto:Tim@;SageLogix.com] Verzonden: dinsdag 29 oktober 2002 14:09 Aan: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Onderwerp: Re: Oracle Internals course Back in 1999, I taught the 8.0 version of these seminars in Venezuela and Argentina and was scheduled to do so in Columbia as well, except for some minor problems like a US State Department travel warning due to kidnapping of US citizens. I don't know if they ever tried to teach these in more obscure places like the UK and Europe, but since they were compiled by a guy in Oracle Netherlands, it is quite probable. I'm guessing that if the request was made in sufficient numbers, then it could be arranged, if its not already hidden somewhere on the website? - Original Message - To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 4:58 AM Are these Internals classes only available in the US? -Original Message- Carmichael Sent: 29 October 2002 11:04 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Tom, I didn't mean to imply that you were going into damagement! I was lucky enough to have someone point me to "seminars" and figured I'd share my luck. I think the reason they don't publicize it is that he is the only one teaching it and it's full without publicizing. Can you imagine if they made it generally available? He'd have time to do nothing else! Rachel --- Tom Pall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Rachel, I'm not bucking for a management slot by being clueless about > the > details. Really I'm not. I registered online for the internals > course by > searching for it. I just kind of assumed from what Scott said that I > just > managed to luck out when I searched for the course and found it. I > mistakenly assumed the course was quietly being removed from online > registration after hearing Scott's statements about hiding and not > publicizing the course. > - Original Message - > To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 8:58 PM > > > > I registered for it online, at education.oracle.com > > > > you have to search on seminars, not classes. It's difficult to > find, > > but it IS there > > > > > > --- Tom Pall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > RE: Oracle Internals courseThat rumor's been going on for > versions > > > now. As has been Scott's desire to offer a two week internals > > > course. Course participants would sign all sorts of > non-disclosure > > > forms then get a scaled down version of what's taught to Customer > > > Support. Wait a minute! Customer Support takes these courses? > Surely > > > not all the Silver Support people I've called. A difficulty with > a > > > two week course is that the very DBAs most likely to benefit from > the > > > course are the ones least likely to be let free for two weeks. > > > > > > The internals course is slated to be yanked every time a new > version > > > of Oracle comes out. Why teach internals when there are no > > > initialization parameters and the database maintains and tunes > > > itself? There's been an economic downturn and Oracle DBAs have > lost > > > their jobs. But anybody know an Oracle DBA who lost his job > because > > > a later version doesn't require a DBA? Oracle on CDs 1,2 and 3, > huh? > > > I think if I dig enough I can find that old version of Oracle I > had > > > that came on a single diskette. > > > > > > Scott says the internals course is purposely hidden. You have to > > > call Oracle directly and ask for it. A number of people > registered > > > for the course from the paper or online catalogs, showed up then > > > complained that they weren't about to get anything out of the > > > course.. > > > - Original Message - > > > From: Nick Wagner > > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 3:23 PM > > > Subject: RE: Oracle Internals course > > > > > > > > > rumor has it that this course is not going to be > offered/modified > > > for the 9.2 release of Oracle. Can anyone confirm or deny it? > > > > > > Nick > > > > > > p.s. Had a close friend t
RE: Oracle Internals course
Title: Message It is just me or does 500-2000 per day seem a little "steep"? Oracle8i: Everything You Always Wanted to Know about the Optimizer Instructor-Led inClass US$ 500 1 Day English English OR INTRODUCTION TO ORACLE9I: SQL (ILT) BLOOMFIELD, CT 02-DEC-02 US$2000 Remove from Shopping Cart INTRODUCTION TO ORACLE 8I: SQL AND PL/SQL (ILT) BLOOMFIELD, CT 17-FEB-03 US$2000 Remove from Shopping Cart ADVANCED PL/SQL (ILT) BLOOMFIELD, CT 07-NOV-02 US$1000 Remove from Shopping Cart
RE: Oracle Internals course
Any idea about the chances in INDIA? Regards Naveen -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 6:39 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Back in 1999, I taught the 8.0 version of these seminars in Venezuela and Argentina and was scheduled to do so in Columbia as well, except for some minor problems like a US State Department travel warning due to kidnapping of US citizens. I don't know if they ever tried to teach these in more obscure places like the UK and Europe, but since they were compiled by a guy in Oracle Netherlands, it is quite probable. I'm guessing that if the request was made in sufficient numbers, then it could be arranged, if its not already hidden somewhere on the website? - Original Message - To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 4:58 AM Are these Internals classes only available in the US? -Original Message- Carmichael Sent: 29 October 2002 11:04 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Tom, I didn't mean to imply that you were going into damagement! I was lucky enough to have someone point me to "seminars" and figured I'd share my luck. I think the reason they don't publicize it is that he is the only one teaching it and it's full without publicizing. Can you imagine if they made it generally available? He'd have time to do nothing else! Rachel --- Tom Pall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Rachel, I'm not bucking for a management slot by being clueless about > the > details. Really I'm not. I registered online for the internals > course by > searching for it. I just kind of assumed from what Scott said that I > just > managed to luck out when I searched for the course and found it. I > mistakenly assumed the course was quietly being removed from online > registration after hearing Scott's statements about hiding and not > publicizing the course. > - Original Message - > To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 8:58 PM > > > > I registered for it online, at education.oracle.com > > > > you have to search on seminars, not classes. It's difficult to > find, > > but it IS there > > > > > > --- Tom Pall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > RE: Oracle Internals courseThat rumor's been going on for > versions > > > now. As has been Scott's desire to offer a two week internals > > > course. Course participants would sign all sorts of > non-disclosure > > > forms then get a scaled down version of what's taught to Customer > > > Support. Wait a minute! Customer Support takes these courses? > Surely > > > not all the Silver Support people I've called. A difficulty with > a > > > two week course is that the very DBAs most likely to benefit from > the > > > course are the ones least likely to be let free for two weeks. > > > > > > The internals course is slated to be yanked every time a new > version > > > of Oracle comes out. Why teach internals when there are no > > > initialization parameters and the database maintains and tunes > > > itself? There's been an economic downturn and Oracle DBAs have > lost > > > their jobs. But anybody know an Oracle DBA who lost his job > because > > > a later version doesn't require a DBA? Oracle on CDs 1,2 and 3, > huh? > > > I think if I dig enough I can find that old version of Oracle I > had > > > that came on a single diskette. > > > > > > Scott says the internals course is purposely hidden. You have to > > > call Oracle directly and ask for it. A number of people > registered > > > for the course from the paper or online catalogs, showed up then > > > complained that they weren't about to get anything out of the > > > course.. > > > - Original Message - > > > From: Nick Wagner > > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 3:23 PM > > > Subject: RE: Oracle Internals course > > > > > > > > > rumor has it that this course is not going to be > offered/modified > > > for the 9.2 release of Oracle. Can anyone confirm or deny it? > > > > > > Nick > > > > > > p.s. Had a close friend take this class, and they also came > back > > > extremely pleased with it. > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Rachel Carmichael [mailto:wisernet100@;yahoo.com] > > > Sent: Monday, October 28
RE: Oracle Internals course
that I know of yes unfortunately, because I believe Scott is the only one teaching the classes. Is there a separate and distinct Oracle education site for the UK and Europe? Rachel --- Mark Leith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Are these Internals classes only available in the US? > > -Original Message- > Carmichael > Sent: 29 October 2002 11:04 > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > Subject: Re: Oracle Internals course > > Tom, > > I didn't mean to imply that you were going into damagement! > > I was lucky enough to have someone point me to "seminars" and figured > I'd share my luck. > > I think the reason they don't publicize it is that he is the only one > teaching it and it's full without publicizing. Can you imagine if > they > made it generally available? He'd have time to do nothing else! > > Rachel > > --- Tom Pall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Rachel, I'm not bucking for a management slot by being clueless > about > > the > > details. Really I'm not. I registered online for the internals > > course by > > searching for it. I just kind of assumed from what Scott said that > I > > just > > managed to luck out when I searched for the course and found it. I > > mistakenly assumed the course was quietly being removed from online > > registration after hearing Scott's statements about hiding and not > > publicizing the course. > > - Original Message - > > To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 8:58 PM > > > > > > > I registered for it online, at education.oracle.com > > > > > > you have to search on seminars, not classes. It's difficult to > > find, > > > but it IS there > > > > > > > > > --- Tom Pall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > RE: Oracle Internals courseThat rumor's been going on for > > versions > > > > now. As has been Scott's desire to offer a two week internals > > > > course. Course participants would sign all sorts of > > non-disclosure > > > > forms then get a scaled down version of what's taught to > Customer > > > > Support. Wait a minute! Customer Support takes these courses? > > Surely > > > > not all the Silver Support people I've called. A difficulty > with > > a > > > > two week course is that the very DBAs most likely to benefit > from > > the > > > > course are the ones least likely to be let free for two weeks. > > > > > > > > The internals course is slated to be yanked every time a new > > version > > > > of Oracle comes out. Why teach internals when there are no > > > > initialization parameters and the database maintains and tunes > > > > itself? There's been an economic downturn and Oracle DBAs have > > lost > > > > their jobs. But anybody know an Oracle DBA who lost his job > > because > > > > a later version doesn't require a DBA? Oracle on CDs 1,2 and > 3, > > huh? > > > > I think if I dig enough I can find that old version of Oracle > I > > had > > > > that came on a single diskette. > > > > > > > > Scott says the internals course is purposely hidden. You have > to > > > > call Oracle directly and ask for it. A number of people > > registered > > > > for the course from the paper or online catalogs, showed up > then > > > > complained that they weren't about to get anything out of the > > > > course.. > > > > - Original Message ----- > > > > From: Nick Wagner > > > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > > Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 3:23 PM > > > > Subject: RE: Oracle Internals course > > > > > > > > > > > > rumor has it that this course is not going to be > > offered/modified > > > > for the 9.2 release of Oracle. Can anyone confirm or deny it? > > > > > > > > Nick > > > > > > > > p.s. Had a close friend take this class, and they also came > > back > > > > extremely pleased with it. > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > > From: Rachel Carmichael [mailto:wisernet100@;yahoo.com] > > > > Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 12:19 PM > > > > To: Multiple recipients of
RE: Oracle Internals course
No I have given them for Oracle in Holland, Belgium, Norway, Singapore and Malaysia. Anjo. -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 12:58 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Are these Internals classes only available in the US? -Original Message- Carmichael Sent: 29 October 2002 11:04 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject:Re: Oracle Internals course Tom, I didn't mean to imply that you were going into damagement! I was lucky enough to have someone point me to "seminars" and figured I'd share my luck. I think the reason they don't publicize it is that he is the only one teaching it and it's full without publicizing. Can you imagine if they made it generally available? He'd have time to do nothing else! Rachel --- Tom Pall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Rachel, I'm not bucking for a management slot by being clueless about > the > details. Really I'm not. I registered online for the internals > course by > searching for it. I just kind of assumed from what Scott said that I > just > managed to luck out when I searched for the course and found it. I > mistakenly assumed the course was quietly being removed from online > registration after hearing Scott's statements about hiding and not > publicizing the course. > - Original Message - > To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 8:58 PM > > > > I registered for it online, at education.oracle.com > > > > you have to search on seminars, not classes. It's difficult to > find, > > but it IS there > > > > > > --- Tom Pall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > RE: Oracle Internals courseThat rumor's been going on for > versions > > > now. As has been Scott's desire to offer a two week internals > > > course. Course participants would sign all sorts of > non-disclosure > > > forms then get a scaled down version of what's taught to Customer > > > Support. Wait a minute! Customer Support takes these courses? > Surely > > > not all the Silver Support people I've called. A difficulty with > a > > > two week course is that the very DBAs most likely to benefit from > the > > > course are the ones least likely to be let free for two weeks. > > > > > > The internals course is slated to be yanked every time a new > version > > > of Oracle comes out. Why teach internals when there are no > > > initialization parameters and the database maintains and tunes > > > itself? There's been an economic downturn and Oracle DBAs have > lost > > > their jobs. But anybody know an Oracle DBA who lost his job > because > > > a later version doesn't require a DBA? Oracle on CDs 1,2 and 3, > huh? > > > I think if I dig enough I can find that old version of Oracle I > had > > > that came on a single diskette. > > > > > > Scott says the internals course is purposely hidden. You have to > > > call Oracle directly and ask for it. A number of people > registered > > > for the course from the paper or online catalogs, showed up then > > > complained that they weren't about to get anything out of the > > > course.. > > > - Original Message - > > > From: Nick Wagner > > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 3:23 PM > > > Subject: RE: Oracle Internals course > > > > > > > > > rumor has it that this course is not going to be > offered/modified > > > for the 9.2 release of Oracle. Can anyone confirm or deny it? > > > > > > Nick > > > > > > p.s. Had a close friend take this class, and they also came > back > > > extremely pleased with it. > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Rachel Carmichael [mailto:wisernet100@;yahoo.com] > > > Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 12:19 PM > > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > Subject: Re: Oracle Internals course > > > > > > > > > > > > Scott is the "instructors's instructor" > > > > > > he learns the new features, then teaches them to the > instructors so > > > > > > they can teach them to you > > > > > > I had the pleasure of taking those classes with Scott a few > years > > > ago > > > as well. He's a great teacher. > > > > > > If h
Re: Oracle Internals course
Back in 1999, I taught the 8.0 version of these seminars in Venezuela and Argentina and was scheduled to do so in Columbia as well, except for some minor problems like a US State Department travel warning due to kidnapping of US citizens. I don't know if they ever tried to teach these in more obscure places like the UK and Europe, but since they were compiled by a guy in Oracle Netherlands, it is quite probable. I'm guessing that if the request was made in sufficient numbers, then it could be arranged, if its not already hidden somewhere on the website? - Original Message - To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 4:58 AM Are these Internals classes only available in the US? -Original Message- Carmichael Sent: 29 October 2002 11:04 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Tom, I didn't mean to imply that you were going into damagement! I was lucky enough to have someone point me to "seminars" and figured I'd share my luck. I think the reason they don't publicize it is that he is the only one teaching it and it's full without publicizing. Can you imagine if they made it generally available? He'd have time to do nothing else! Rachel --- Tom Pall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Rachel, I'm not bucking for a management slot by being clueless about > the > details. Really I'm not. I registered online for the internals > course by > searching for it. I just kind of assumed from what Scott said that I > just > managed to luck out when I searched for the course and found it. I > mistakenly assumed the course was quietly being removed from online > registration after hearing Scott's statements about hiding and not > publicizing the course. > - Original Message - > To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 8:58 PM > > > > I registered for it online, at education.oracle.com > > > > you have to search on seminars, not classes. It's difficult to > find, > > but it IS there > > > > > > --- Tom Pall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > RE: Oracle Internals courseThat rumor's been going on for > versions > > > now. As has been Scott's desire to offer a two week internals > > > course. Course participants would sign all sorts of > non-disclosure > > > forms then get a scaled down version of what's taught to Customer > > > Support. Wait a minute! Customer Support takes these courses? > Surely > > > not all the Silver Support people I've called. A difficulty with > a > > > two week course is that the very DBAs most likely to benefit from > the > > > course are the ones least likely to be let free for two weeks. > > > > > > The internals course is slated to be yanked every time a new > version > > > of Oracle comes out. Why teach internals when there are no > > > initialization parameters and the database maintains and tunes > > > itself? There's been an economic downturn and Oracle DBAs have > lost > > > their jobs. But anybody know an Oracle DBA who lost his job > because > > > a later version doesn't require a DBA? Oracle on CDs 1,2 and 3, > huh? > > > I think if I dig enough I can find that old version of Oracle I > had > > > that came on a single diskette. > > > > > > Scott says the internals course is purposely hidden. You have to > > > call Oracle directly and ask for it. A number of people > registered > > > for the course from the paper or online catalogs, showed up then > > > complained that they weren't about to get anything out of the > > > course.. > > > - Original Message - > > > From: Nick Wagner > > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 3:23 PM > > > Subject: RE: Oracle Internals course > > > > > > > > > rumor has it that this course is not going to be > offered/modified > > > for the 9.2 release of Oracle. Can anyone confirm or deny it? > > > > > > Nick > > > > > > p.s. Had a close friend take this class, and they also came > back > > > extremely pleased with it. > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Rachel Carmichael [mailto:wisernet100@;yahoo.com] > > > Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 12:19 PM > > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > Subject: Re: Oracle Internals course > > > > > > > > &
RE: Oracle Internals course
Are these Internals classes only available in the US? -Original Message- Carmichael Sent: 29 October 2002 11:04 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject:Re: Oracle Internals course Tom, I didn't mean to imply that you were going into damagement! I was lucky enough to have someone point me to "seminars" and figured I'd share my luck. I think the reason they don't publicize it is that he is the only one teaching it and it's full without publicizing. Can you imagine if they made it generally available? He'd have time to do nothing else! Rachel --- Tom Pall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Rachel, I'm not bucking for a management slot by being clueless about > the > details. Really I'm not. I registered online for the internals > course by > searching for it. I just kind of assumed from what Scott said that I > just > managed to luck out when I searched for the course and found it. I > mistakenly assumed the course was quietly being removed from online > registration after hearing Scott's statements about hiding and not > publicizing the course. > - Original Message - > To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 8:58 PM > > > > I registered for it online, at education.oracle.com > > > > you have to search on seminars, not classes. It's difficult to > find, > > but it IS there > > > > > > --- Tom Pall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > RE: Oracle Internals courseThat rumor's been going on for > versions > > > now. As has been Scott's desire to offer a two week internals > > > course. Course participants would sign all sorts of > non-disclosure > > > forms then get a scaled down version of what's taught to Customer > > > Support. Wait a minute! Customer Support takes these courses? > Surely > > > not all the Silver Support people I've called. A difficulty with > a > > > two week course is that the very DBAs most likely to benefit from > the > > > course are the ones least likely to be let free for two weeks. > > > > > > The internals course is slated to be yanked every time a new > version > > > of Oracle comes out. Why teach internals when there are no > > > initialization parameters and the database maintains and tunes > > > itself? There's been an economic downturn and Oracle DBAs have > lost > > > their jobs. But anybody know an Oracle DBA who lost his job > because > > > a later version doesn't require a DBA? Oracle on CDs 1,2 and 3, > huh? > > > I think if I dig enough I can find that old version of Oracle I > had > > > that came on a single diskette. > > > > > > Scott says the internals course is purposely hidden. You have to > > > call Oracle directly and ask for it. A number of people > registered > > > for the course from the paper or online catalogs, showed up then > > > complained that they weren't about to get anything out of the > > > course.. > > > - Original Message - > > > From: Nick Wagner > > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 3:23 PM > > > Subject: RE: Oracle Internals course > > > > > > > > > rumor has it that this course is not going to be > offered/modified > > > for the 9.2 release of Oracle. Can anyone confirm or deny it? > > > > > > Nick > > > > > > p.s. Had a close friend take this class, and they also came > back > > > extremely pleased with it. > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Rachel Carmichael [mailto:wisernet100@;yahoo.com] > > > Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 12:19 PM > > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > Subject: Re: Oracle Internals course > > > > > > > > > > > > Scott is the "instructors's instructor" > > > > > > he learns the new features, then teaches them to the > instructors so > > > > > > they can teach them to you > > > > > > I had the pleasure of taking those classes with Scott a few > years > > > ago > > > as well. He's a great teacher. > > > > > > If he is ever presenting at any conference you go to, GO SEE > HIM > > > > > > --- Tom Pall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I took that very course with Scott a few ye
Re: Oracle Internals course
Tom, I didn't mean to imply that you were going into damagement! I was lucky enough to have someone point me to "seminars" and figured I'd share my luck. I think the reason they don't publicize it is that he is the only one teaching it and it's full without publicizing. Can you imagine if they made it generally available? He'd have time to do nothing else! Rachel --- Tom Pall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Rachel, I'm not bucking for a management slot by being clueless about > the > details. Really I'm not. I registered online for the internals > course by > searching for it. I just kind of assumed from what Scott said that I > just > managed to luck out when I searched for the course and found it. I > mistakenly assumed the course was quietly being removed from online > registration after hearing Scott's statements about hiding and not > publicizing the course. > - Original Message - > To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 8:58 PM > > > > I registered for it online, at education.oracle.com > > > > you have to search on seminars, not classes. It's difficult to > find, > > but it IS there > > > > > > --- Tom Pall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > RE: Oracle Internals courseThat rumor's been going on for > versions > > > now. As has been Scott's desire to offer a two week internals > > > course. Course participants would sign all sorts of > non-disclosure > > > forms then get a scaled down version of what's taught to Customer > > > Support. Wait a minute! Customer Support takes these courses? > Surely > > > not all the Silver Support people I've called. A difficulty with > a > > > two week course is that the very DBAs most likely to benefit from > the > > > course are the ones least likely to be let free for two weeks. > > > > > > The internals course is slated to be yanked every time a new > version > > > of Oracle comes out. Why teach internals when there are no > > > initialization parameters and the database maintains and tunes > > > itself? There's been an economic downturn and Oracle DBAs have > lost > > > their jobs. But anybody know an Oracle DBA who lost his job > because > > > a later version doesn't require a DBA? Oracle on CDs 1,2 and 3, > huh? > > > I think if I dig enough I can find that old version of Oracle I > had > > > that came on a single diskette. > > > > > > Scott says the internals course is purposely hidden. You have to > > > call Oracle directly and ask for it. A number of people > registered > > > for the course from the paper or online catalogs, showed up then > > > complained that they weren't about to get anything out of the > > > course.. > > > - Original Message - > > > From: Nick Wagner > > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 3:23 PM > > > Subject: RE: Oracle Internals course > > > > > > > > > rumor has it that this course is not going to be > offered/modified > > > for the 9.2 release of Oracle. Can anyone confirm or deny it? > > > > > > Nick > > > > > > p.s. Had a close friend take this class, and they also came > back > > > extremely pleased with it. > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Rachel Carmichael [mailto:wisernet100@;yahoo.com] > > > Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 12:19 PM > > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > Subject: Re: Oracle Internals course > > > > > > > > > > > > Scott is the "instructors's instructor" > > > > > > he learns the new features, then teaches them to the > instructors so > > > > > > they can teach them to you > > > > > > I had the pleasure of taking those classes with Scott a few > years > > > ago > > > as well. He's a great teacher. > > > > > > If he is ever presenting at any conference you go to, GO SEE > HIM > > > > > > --- Tom Pall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I took that very course with Scott a few years ago. Yup, > Scott > > > flies > > > > through the Internals and Dump/Traces courses with lots of > extra > > > > material to > > > > spare.
Re: Oracle Internals course
Rachel, I'm not bucking for a management slot by being clueless about the details. Really I'm not. I registered online for the internals course by searching for it. I just kind of assumed from what Scott said that I just managed to luck out when I searched for the course and found it. I mistakenly assumed the course was quietly being removed from online registration after hearing Scott's statements about hiding and not publicizing the course. - Original Message - To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 8:58 PM > I registered for it online, at education.oracle.com > > you have to search on seminars, not classes. It's difficult to find, > but it IS there > > > --- Tom Pall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > RE: Oracle Internals courseThat rumor's been going on for versions > > now. As has been Scott's desire to offer a two week internals > > course. Course participants would sign all sorts of non-disclosure > > forms then get a scaled down version of what's taught to Customer > > Support. Wait a minute! Customer Support takes these courses? Surely > > not all the Silver Support people I've called. A difficulty with a > > two week course is that the very DBAs most likely to benefit from the > > course are the ones least likely to be let free for two weeks. > > > > The internals course is slated to be yanked every time a new version > > of Oracle comes out. Why teach internals when there are no > > initialization parameters and the database maintains and tunes > > itself? There's been an economic downturn and Oracle DBAs have lost > > their jobs. But anybody know an Oracle DBA who lost his job because > > a later version doesn't require a DBA? Oracle on CDs 1,2 and 3, huh? > > I think if I dig enough I can find that old version of Oracle I had > > that came on a single diskette. > > > > Scott says the internals course is purposely hidden. You have to > > call Oracle directly and ask for it. A number of people registered > > for the course from the paper or online catalogs, showed up then > > complained that they weren't about to get anything out of the > > course.. > > - Original Message - > > From: Nick Wagner > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 3:23 PM > > Subject: RE: Oracle Internals course > > > > > > rumor has it that this course is not going to be offered/modified > > for the 9.2 release of Oracle. Can anyone confirm or deny it? > > > > Nick > > > > p.s. Had a close friend take this class, and they also came back > > extremely pleased with it. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Rachel Carmichael [mailto:wisernet100@;yahoo.com] > > Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 12:19 PM > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > Subject: Re: Oracle Internals course > > > > > > > > Scott is the "instructors's instructor" > > > > he learns the new features, then teaches them to the instructors so > > > > they can teach them to you > > > > I had the pleasure of taking those classes with Scott a few years > > ago > > as well. He's a great teacher. > > > > If he is ever presenting at any conference you go to, GO SEE HIM > > > > --- Tom Pall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I took that very course with Scott a few years ago. Yup, Scott > > flies > > > through the Internals and Dump/Traces courses with lots of extra > > > material to > > > spare. It's really refreshing to hear him tell the class how the > > > > > developers > > > documented something then tell how it's actually built. He keeps > > a > > > database > > > running in his notebook to prove what he says. Scott's one great > > > > > teacher. > > > - Original Message - > > > To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 12:53 PM > > > > > > > > > I just wanted to say... > > > > > > If you have a chance to take the Oracle Internals course with > > Scott > > > Gossett > > > at Oracle, I highly recommend it. > > > > > > I wish I knew half of what he knows! > > > > > > The course isn't included in the OCP tracks, I think i
Re: Oracle Internals course
Title: RE: Oracle Internals course
Meaning you're not planning on letting your DBA go
because Oracle now has now no initialization parameters to tweak (Wrong!), is
self configuring, self maintaining, self tuning, self repairing?
- Original Message -
From:
Khedr,
Waleed
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 6:58
PM
Subject: RE: Oracle Internals
course
I
think the external visible Oracle stuff are enough to keep any DBA busy these
days:)
-Original Message-From: Tom Pall
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 5:24
PMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: Re:
Oracle Internals course
That rumor's been going on for versions
now. As has been Scott's desire to offer a two week internals
course. Course participants would sign all sorts of non-disclosure
forms then get a scaled down version of what's taught to Customer Support.
Wait a minute! Customer Support takes these courses? Surely
not all the Silver Support people I've called. A difficulty with
a two week course is that the very DBAs most likely to benefit from the
course are the ones least likely to be let free for two weeks.
The internals course is slated to be yanked
every time a new version of Oracle comes out. Why teach internals when
there are no initialization parameters and the database maintains and tunes
itself? There's been an economic downturn and Oracle DBAs have lost
their jobs. But anybody know an Oracle DBA who lost his job because a
later version doesn't require a DBA? Oracle on CDs 1,2 and 3,
huh? I think if I dig enough I can find that old version of Oracle I
had that came on a single diskette.
Scott says the internals course is purposely
hidden. You have to call Oracle directly and ask for it. A
number of people registered for the course from the paper or online
catalogs, showed up then complained that they weren't about to get anything
out of the course..
- Original Message -
From:
Nick
Wagner
To: Multiple recipients of list
ORACLE-L
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 3:23
PM
Subject: RE: Oracle Internals
course
rumor has it that this course is not going to be
offered/modified for the 9.2 release of Oracle. Can anyone confirm
or deny it?
Nick
p.s. Had a close friend take this class, and they also
came back extremely pleased with it.
-Original Message- From:
Rachel Carmichael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 12:19 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Re: Oracle Internals course
Scott is the "instructors's instructor"
he learns the new features, then teaches them to the
instructors so they can teach them to you
I had the pleasure of taking those classes with Scott a
few years ago as well. He's a great
teacher.
If he is ever presenting at any conference you go to, GO
SEE HIM
--- Tom Pall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I took that very course with Scott a few years
ago. Yup, Scott flies > through the
Internals and Dump/Traces courses with lots of extra > material to > spare. It's
really refreshing to hear him tell the class how the > developers > documented something
then tell how it's actually built. He keeps a > database > running in his notebook
to prove what he says. Scott's one great > teacher. > - Original Message
- > To: "Multiple recipients of list
ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent:
Monday, October 28, 2002 12:53 PM >
> > I just wanted to
say... > > If you
have a chance to take the Oracle Internals course with Scott
> Gossett > at Oracle, I
highly recommend it. > > I wish I knew half of what he knows! > > The course isn't included in the
OCP tracks, I think it should be > given
a > higher profile though. > > Regards, > Patrice Boivin > Systems Analyst
(Oracle Certified DBA) > > Systems Admin & Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des
systèmes > Technology
Services | Services
technologiques > Informatics
Branch | Direction de
l'informatique > Maritimes Region,
DFO | Région des Maritimes, MPO
> > E-Mail:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > -- >
Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com &
Re: Oracle Internals course
I registered for it online, at education.oracle.com you have to search on seminars, not classes. It's difficult to find, but it IS there --- Tom Pall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > RE: Oracle Internals courseThat rumor's been going on for versions > now. As has been Scott's desire to offer a two week internals > course. Course participants would sign all sorts of non-disclosure > forms then get a scaled down version of what's taught to Customer > Support. Wait a minute! Customer Support takes these courses? Surely > not all the Silver Support people I've called. A difficulty with a > two week course is that the very DBAs most likely to benefit from the > course are the ones least likely to be let free for two weeks. > > The internals course is slated to be yanked every time a new version > of Oracle comes out. Why teach internals when there are no > initialization parameters and the database maintains and tunes > itself? There's been an economic downturn and Oracle DBAs have lost > their jobs. But anybody know an Oracle DBA who lost his job because > a later version doesn't require a DBA? Oracle on CDs 1,2 and 3, huh? > I think if I dig enough I can find that old version of Oracle I had > that came on a single diskette. > > Scott says the internals course is purposely hidden. You have to > call Oracle directly and ask for it. A number of people registered > for the course from the paper or online catalogs, showed up then > complained that they weren't about to get anything out of the > course.. > - Original Message - > From: Nick Wagner > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 3:23 PM > Subject: RE: Oracle Internals course > > > rumor has it that this course is not going to be offered/modified > for the 9.2 release of Oracle. Can anyone confirm or deny it? > > Nick > > p.s. Had a close friend take this class, and they also came back > extremely pleased with it. > > -Original Message- > From: Rachel Carmichael [mailto:wisernet100@;yahoo.com] > Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 12:19 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > Subject: Re: Oracle Internals course > > > > Scott is the "instructors's instructor" > > he learns the new features, then teaches them to the instructors so > > they can teach them to you > > I had the pleasure of taking those classes with Scott a few years > ago > as well. He's a great teacher. > > If he is ever presenting at any conference you go to, GO SEE HIM > > --- Tom Pall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I took that very course with Scott a few years ago. Yup, Scott > flies > > through the Internals and Dump/Traces courses with lots of extra > > material to > > spare. It's really refreshing to hear him tell the class how the > > > developers > > documented something then tell how it's actually built. He keeps > a > > database > > running in his notebook to prove what he says. Scott's one great > > > teacher. > > - Original Message - > > To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 12:53 PM > > > > > > I just wanted to say... > > > > If you have a chance to take the Oracle Internals course with > Scott > > Gossett > > at Oracle, I highly recommend it. > > > > I wish I knew half of what he knows! > > > > The course isn't included in the OCP tracks, I think it should be > > > given a > > higher profile though. > > > > Regards, > > Patrice Boivin > > Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) > > > > Systems Admin & Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des systèmes > > Technology Services| Services technologiques > > Informatics Branch | Direction de l'informatique > > Maritimes Region, DFO | Région des Maritimes, MPO > > > > E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > -- > > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com > > -- > > Author: Boivin, Patrice J > > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 > http://www.fatcity.com > > San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting > services > > > - > >
RE: Oracle Internals course
Title: RE: Oracle Internals course
I
think the external visible Oracle stuff are enough to keep any DBA busy these
days:)
-Original Message-From: Tom Pall
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 5:24
PMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: Re:
Oracle Internals course
That rumor's been going on for versions
now. As has been Scott's desire to offer a two week internals
course. Course participants would sign all sorts of non-disclosure forms
then get a scaled down version of what's taught to Customer Support. Wait a
minute! Customer Support takes these courses? Surely not all the
Silver Support people I've called. A difficulty with a two week course
is that the very DBAs most likely to benefit from the course are the ones
least likely to be let free for two weeks.
The internals course is slated to be yanked every
time a new version of Oracle comes out. Why teach internals when there
are no initialization parameters and the database maintains and tunes
itself? There's been an economic downturn and Oracle DBAs have lost
their jobs. But anybody know an Oracle DBA who lost his job because a
later version doesn't require a DBA? Oracle on CDs 1,2 and 3, huh?
I think if I dig enough I can find that old version of Oracle I had that came
on a single diskette.
Scott says the internals course is purposely
hidden. You have to call Oracle directly and ask for it. A number
of people registered for the course from the paper or online catalogs, showed
up then complained that they weren't about to get anything out of the
course..
- Original Message -
From:
Nick
Wagner
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 3:23
PM
Subject: RE: Oracle Internals
course
rumor has it that this course is not going to be
offered/modified for the 9.2 release of Oracle. Can anyone confirm or
deny it?
Nick
p.s. Had a close friend take this class, and they also came
back extremely pleased with it.
-Original Message- From:
Rachel Carmichael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 12:19 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Re: Oracle Internals course
Scott is the "instructors's instructor"
he learns the new features, then teaches them to the
instructors so they can teach them to you
I had the pleasure of taking those classes with Scott a few
years ago as well. He's a great teacher.
If he is ever presenting at any conference you go to, GO SEE
HIM
--- Tom Pall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I took that very course with Scott a few years
ago. Yup, Scott flies > through the
Internals and Dump/Traces courses with lots of extra > material to > spare. It's
really refreshing to hear him tell the class how the > developers > documented something
then tell how it's actually built. He keeps a > database > running in his notebook to
prove what he says. Scott's one great >
teacher. > - Original Message -
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October 28, 2002 12:53 PM > > > I just wanted to say...
> > If you have a chance to
take the Oracle Internals course with Scott >
Gossett > at Oracle, I highly recommend
it. > > I wish I knew
half of what he knows! > > The course isn't included in the OCP tracks, I think it should
be > given a > higher
profile though. > >
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RE: Oracle Internals course
not a problem -Original Message- Sent: Monday, 28 October, 2002 16:13 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Surf to: http://education.oracle.com/web_prod-plq-dad/plsql/show_desc.redirect?redir_ type=10 (MS will wrap the link) ...then search for "Internals". Four 8i Internals courses should come up. HTH! :) Rich Rich Jesse System/Database Administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quad/Tech International, Sussex, WI USA -Original Message- Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 3:04 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L This course isn't visible on education.oracle.com ... anyone have a link? Raj -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Jesse, Rich INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Purcell, Sandra INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: Oracle Internals course
Title: RE: Oracle Internals course That rumor's been going on for versions now. As has been Scott's desire to offer a two week internals course. Course participants would sign all sorts of non-disclosure forms then get a scaled down version of what's taught to Customer Support. Wait a minute! Customer Support takes these courses? Surely not all the Silver Support people I've called. A difficulty with a two week course is that the very DBAs most likely to benefit from the course are the ones least likely to be let free for two weeks. The internals course is slated to be yanked every time a new version of Oracle comes out. Why teach internals when there are no initialization parameters and the database maintains and tunes itself? There's been an economic downturn and Oracle DBAs have lost their jobs. But anybody know an Oracle DBA who lost his job because a later version doesn't require a DBA? Oracle on CDs 1,2 and 3, huh? I think if I dig enough I can find that old version of Oracle I had that came on a single diskette. Scott says the internals course is purposely hidden. You have to call Oracle directly and ask for it. A number of people registered for the course from the paper or online catalogs, showed up then complained that they weren't about to get anything out of the course.. - Original Message - From: Nick Wagner To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 3:23 PM Subject: RE: Oracle Internals course rumor has it that this course is not going to be offered/modified for the 9.2 release of Oracle. Can anyone confirm or deny it? Nick p.s. Had a close friend take this class, and they also came back extremely pleased with it. -Original Message- From: Rachel Carmichael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 12:19 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Re: Oracle Internals course Scott is the "instructors's instructor" he learns the new features, then teaches them to the instructors so they can teach them to you I had the pleasure of taking those classes with Scott a few years ago as well. He's a great teacher. If he is ever presenting at any conference you go to, GO SEE HIM --- Tom Pall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I took that very course with Scott a few years ago. Yup, Scott flies > through the Internals and Dump/Traces courses with lots of extra > material to > spare. It's really refreshing to hear him tell the class how the > developers > documented something then tell how it's actually built. He keeps a > database > running in his notebook to prove what he says. Scott's one great > teacher. > - Original Message - > To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 12:53 PM > > > I just wanted to say... > > If you have a chance to take the Oracle Internals course with Scott > Gossett > at Oracle, I highly recommend it. > > I wish I knew half of what he knows! > > The course isn't included in the OCP tracks, I think it should be > given a > higher profile though. > > Regards, > Patrice Boivin > Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) > > Systems Admin & Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des systèmes > Technology Services | Services technologiques > Informatics Branch | Direction de l'informatique > Maritimes Region, DFO | Région des Maritimes, MPO > > E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com > -- > Author: Boivin, Patrice J > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services -- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > San Diego, California -- Mailing list and web hosting services > - > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). > > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com > -- > Author: Tom Pall > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services -- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > San Diego, California -- Mailing list and web hosting services > - > To REMO
RE: Oracle Internals course
Surf to: http://education.oracle.com/web_prod-plq-dad/plsql/show_desc.redirect?redir_ type=10 (MS will wrap the link) ...then search for "Internals". Four 8i Internals courses should come up. HTH! :) Rich Rich Jesse System/Database Administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quad/Tech International, Sussex, WI USA -Original Message- Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 3:04 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L This course isn't visible on education.oracle.com ... anyone have a link? Raj -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Jesse, Rich INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Oracle Internals course
Title: RE: Oracle Internals course rumor has it that this course is not going to be offered/modified for the 9.2 release of Oracle. Can anyone confirm or deny it? Nick p.s. Had a close friend take this class, and they also came back extremely pleased with it. -Original Message- From: Rachel Carmichael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 12:19 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Re: Oracle Internals course Scott is the "instructors's instructor" he learns the new features, then teaches them to the instructors so they can teach them to you I had the pleasure of taking those classes with Scott a few years ago as well. He's a great teacher. If he is ever presenting at any conference you go to, GO SEE HIM --- Tom Pall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I took that very course with Scott a few years ago. Yup, Scott flies > through the Internals and Dump/Traces courses with lots of extra > material to > spare. It's really refreshing to hear him tell the class how the > developers > documented something then tell how it's actually built. He keeps a > database > running in his notebook to prove what he says. Scott's one great > teacher. > - Original Message - > To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 12:53 PM > > > I just wanted to say... > > If you have a chance to take the Oracle Internals course with Scott > Gossett > at Oracle, I highly recommend it. > > I wish I knew half of what he knows! > > The course isn't included in the OCP tracks, I think it should be > given a > higher profile though. > > Regards, > Patrice Boivin > Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) > > Systems Admin & Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des systèmes > Technology Services | Services technologiques > Informatics Branch | Direction de l'informatique > Maritimes Region, DFO | Région des Maritimes, MPO > > E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com > -- > Author: Boivin, Patrice J > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services -- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > San Diego, California -- Mailing list and web hosting services > - > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). > > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com > -- > Author: Tom Pall > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services -- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > San Diego, California -- Mailing list and web hosting services > - > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). __ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Rachel Carmichael INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services -- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California -- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Oracle Internals course
Title: RE: Oracle Internals course This course isn't visible on education.oracle.com ... anyone have a link? Raj __ Rajendra Jamadagni MIS, ESPN Inc. Rajendra dot Jamadagni at ESPN dot com Any opinion expressed here is personal and doesn't reflect that of ESPN Inc. QOTD: Any clod can have facts, but having an opinion is an art! -Original Message- From: Rachel Carmichael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 3:19 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Re: Oracle Internals course Scott is the "instructors's instructor" he learns the new features, then teaches them to the instructors so they can teach them to you I had the pleasure of taking those classes with Scott a few years ago as well. He's a great teacher. If he is ever presenting at any conference you go to, GO SEE HIM *This e-mail message is confidential, intended only for the named recipient(s) above and may contain information that is privileged, attorney work product or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you have received this message in error, or are not the named recipient(s), please immediately notify corporate MIS at (860) 766-2000 and delete this e-mail message from your computer, Thank you.*1
Re: Oracle Internals course
Scott is the "instructors's instructor" he learns the new features, then teaches them to the instructors so they can teach them to you I had the pleasure of taking those classes with Scott a few years ago as well. He's a great teacher. If he is ever presenting at any conference you go to, GO SEE HIM --- Tom Pall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I took that very course with Scott a few years ago. Yup, Scott flies > through the Internals and Dump/Traces courses with lots of extra > material to > spare. It's really refreshing to hear him tell the class how the > developers > documented something then tell how it's actually built. He keeps a > database > running in his notebook to prove what he says. Scott's one great > teacher. > - Original Message - > To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 12:53 PM > > > I just wanted to say... > > If you have a chance to take the Oracle Internals course with Scott > Gossett > at Oracle, I highly recommend it. > > I wish I knew half of what he knows! > > The course isn't included in the OCP tracks, I think it should be > given a > higher profile though. > > Regards, > Patrice Boivin > Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) > > Systems Admin & Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des systèmes > Technology Services| Services technologiques > Informatics Branch | Direction de l'informatique > Maritimes Region, DFO | Région des Maritimes, MPO > > E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com > -- > Author: Boivin, Patrice J > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services > - > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). > > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com > -- > Author: Tom Pall > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services > - > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). __ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Rachel Carmichael INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: Oracle Internals course
I took that very course with Scott a few years ago. Yup, Scott flies through the Internals and Dump/Traces courses with lots of extra material to spare. It's really refreshing to hear him tell the class how the developers documented something then tell how it's actually built. He keeps a database running in his notebook to prove what he says. Scott's one great teacher. - Original Message - To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 12:53 PM I just wanted to say... If you have a chance to take the Oracle Internals course with Scott Gossett at Oracle, I highly recommend it. I wish I knew half of what he knows! The course isn't included in the OCP tracks, I think it should be given a higher profile though. Regards, Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) Systems Admin & Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des systèmes Technology Services| Services technologiques Informatics Branch | Direction de l'informatique Maritimes Region, DFO | Région des Maritimes, MPO E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Tom Pall INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Oracle Internals course
I just wanted to say... If you have a chance to take the Oracle Internals course with Scott Gossett at Oracle, I highly recommend it. I wish I knew half of what he knows! The course isn't included in the OCP tracks, I think it should be given a higher profile though. Regards, Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) Systems Admin & Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des systèmes Technology Services| Services technologiques Informatics Branch | Direction de l'informatique Maritimes Region, DFO | Région des Maritimes, MPO E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
