RE: CodeNotes for Oracle9i...
I have an odd question about these on-line books. Can I copy-and-paste the text? Like many of you, I seem to end up with long commutes (why are the best jobs never in your neighborhood?). I find listening to books on CD to be a better use of time than reading bumper stickers. Nobody ever seems to issue Oracle books on audio. So I got a text-to-voice program, and it works pretty good to create an audio version of a book. But many of these eBooks zealously protect their text and prevent you from doing copy-and-paste on the text. Fortunately Oracle makes their books readily available. Any ideas are welcome. And my apologies to the authors on the list that are going he wants to do WHAT with my book!!. Dennis Williams DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dennnis Did you get any more info re books on tape? Id be very interestd in audio documentation ;-) I have a boring 1 hour ride each direction Thanks bob -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Bob Metelsky INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: CodeNotes for Oracle9i...
Bob Thanks for asking. No, most of the replies were along the lines that I'd be less of a road hazard were I drunk with a cell phone in each ear. But knowing someone else is interested is encouraging. Given the easy access to broadband, maybe we could arrange some audio file swaps. Shouldn't be too illegal, assuming you already own the texts in print format. And only slightly less moral than driving with the radio on. Dennis Williams DBA, 40%OCP Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 4:44 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I have an odd question about these on-line books. Can I copy-and-paste the text? Like many of you, I seem to end up with long commutes (why are the best jobs never in your neighborhood?). I find listening to books on CD to be a better use of time than reading bumper stickers. Nobody ever seems to issue Oracle books on audio. So I got a text-to-voice program, and it works pretty good to create an audio version of a book. But many of these eBooks zealously protect their text and prevent you from doing copy-and-paste on the text. Fortunately Oracle makes their books readily available. Any ideas are welcome. And my apologies to the authors on the list that are going he wants to do WHAT with my book!!. Dennis Williams DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dennnis Did you get any more info re books on tape? Id be very interestd in audio documentation ;-) I have a boring 1 hour ride each direction Thanks bob -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Bob Metelsky INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: CodeNotes for Oracle9i...
There's always some idiot who wants to rain on the
parade, so it may as well be me. I can't remember the
specifics but a recent test in London showed that
people on (hands-free) phones in their cars were 'x'%
more likely to crash ('x' was somewhere like 50%!),
the test being designed to show that its not the phone
in your hand, its the fact that you're
talking/listening that ends up killing you...
I can't begin to imagine the traffic carnage when the
CD DBA101: The sensual sultry sounds of Carmichael
hits the charts!
Does Rachel really want that kind of responsbility :-)
Cheers
Connor
--- Rachel Carmichael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It's a little difficult to see how code samples and
illustrations
(which I find invaluable) could be translated to
audio
It's technically copyright infringement (I believe)
to translate the
books. I don't own the copyright, so I'm not about
to call out the
lawyers. I am supposed to contact my publisher for
permission (never
been refused, as it's publicity) when I want to use
part of a chapter
for an article or presentation.
Besides, I have problems concentrating when I listen
to books on tape,
so I'm not the best person to advocate this!
--- Joe Testa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I would think the authors should read and publish
the books in .mp3
format, you can get like 10 hours worth on one cd.
Rachel how about you start,
bwahahahahahahaha
joe
DENNIS WILLIAMS wrote:
I have an odd question about these on-line books.
Can I
copy-and-paste the
text?
Like many of you, I seem to end up with long
commutes (why are
the best
jobs never in your neighborhood?). I find
listening to books on CD
to be a
better use of time than reading bumper stickers.
Nobody ever seems
to issue
Oracle books on audio. So I got a text-to-voice
program, and it
works pretty
good to create an audio version of a book. But
many of these eBooks
zealously protect their text and prevent you from
doing
copy-and-paste on
the text. Fortunately Oracle makes their books
readily available.
Any ideas
are welcome. And my apologies to the authors on
the list that are
going he
wants to do WHAT with my book!!.
Dennis Williams
DBA
Lifetouch, Inc.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
-Original Message-
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 7:54 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
I believe the Book Safari is changing. It is
supposed
to be more flexible now.
http://www.oreilly.com/news/new_safari_0902.html
Jared
Grabowy, Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
10/08/2002 01:04 PM
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Subject:CodeNotes for Oracle9i...
So every few months my Lookout reminder pops up
to remind me to
check out
what new Oracle books have been released. I
stumbled upon a new
book
called CodeNotes for Oracle9i on Amazon.com, but
the interesting
part is
that it is available in eBook format. Here's the
(probably broken)
link...
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B6ISCN/qid=1034101493/sr=1
-25/ref=sr_1_25/104-5919725-7522346?v=glance
The eBook version is $9.95 and the shipping is
free (big grin),
while the
paperback is $13.97 plus shipping. Are you
comfortable reading an
eBook?
You decide.
At any rate, I will probably break down and buy
the eBook. Not so
much
because the book is great (or not) but because I
hope to send a
message to
publishers to publish more books in the eBook
format, which is also
why I
posted this message.
I know that O'Reilly has the Safari Bookshelf
website, but I found
it to
be restrictive and pricey.
BTW, if for some reason you are or will be using
.Net, the CodeNotes
eBook
version is free...
http://www.codenotes.com/do/downloads/downloadsNETbook
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Re: CodeNotes for Oracle9i...
The studies I remember on the subject say that talking while driving put you
in the same risk factor as drunk driving .
Yechiel Adar
Mehish
- Original Message -
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 12:03 PM
There's always some idiot who wants to rain on the
parade, so it may as well be me. I can't remember the
specifics but a recent test in London showed that
people on (hands-free) phones in their cars were 'x'%
more likely to crash ('x' was somewhere like 50%!),
the test being designed to show that its not the phone
in your hand, its the fact that you're
talking/listening that ends up killing you...
I can't begin to imagine the traffic carnage when the
CD DBA101: The sensual sultry sounds of Carmichael
hits the charts!
Does Rachel really want that kind of responsbility :-)
Cheers
Connor
--- Rachel Carmichael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It's a little difficult to see how code samples and
illustrations
(which I find invaluable) could be translated to
audio
It's technically copyright infringement (I believe)
to translate the
books. I don't own the copyright, so I'm not about
to call out the
lawyers. I am supposed to contact my publisher for
permission (never
been refused, as it's publicity) when I want to use
part of a chapter
for an article or presentation.
Besides, I have problems concentrating when I listen
to books on tape,
so I'm not the best person to advocate this!
--- Joe Testa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I would think the authors should read and publish
the books in .mp3
format, you can get like 10 hours worth on one cd.
Rachel how about you start,
bwahahahahahahaha
joe
DENNIS WILLIAMS wrote:
I have an odd question about these on-line books.
Can I
copy-and-paste the
text?
Like many of you, I seem to end up with long
commutes (why are
the best
jobs never in your neighborhood?). I find
listening to books on CD
to be a
better use of time than reading bumper stickers.
Nobody ever seems
to issue
Oracle books on audio. So I got a text-to-voice
program, and it
works pretty
good to create an audio version of a book. But
many of these eBooks
zealously protect their text and prevent you from
doing
copy-and-paste on
the text. Fortunately Oracle makes their books
readily available.
Any ideas
are welcome. And my apologies to the authors on
the list that are
going he
wants to do WHAT with my book!!.
Dennis Williams
DBA
Lifetouch, Inc.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
-Original Message-
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 7:54 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
I believe the Book Safari is changing. It is
supposed
to be more flexible now.
http://www.oreilly.com/news/new_safari_0902.html
Jared
Grabowy, Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
10/08/2002 01:04 PM
Please respond to ORACLE-L
To: Multiple recipients of list
ORACLE-L
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Subject:CodeNotes for Oracle9i...
So every few months my Lookout reminder pops up
to remind me to
check out
what new Oracle books have been released. I
stumbled upon a new
book
called CodeNotes for Oracle9i on Amazon.com, but
the interesting
part is
that it is available in eBook format. Here's the
(probably broken)
link...
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B6ISCN/qid=1034101493/sr=
1
-25/ref=sr_1_25/104-5919725-7522346?v=glance
The eBook version is $9.95 and the shipping is
free (big grin),
while the
paperback is $13.97 plus shipping. Are you
comfortable reading an
eBook?
You decide.
At any rate, I will probably break down and buy
the eBook. Not so
much
because the book is great (or not) but because I
hope to send a
message to
publishers to publish more books in the eBook
format, which is also
why I
posted this message.
I know that O'Reilly has the Safari Bookshelf
website, but I found
it to
be restrictive and pricey.
BTW, if for some reason you are or will be using
.Net, the CodeNotes
eBook
version is free...
http://www.codenotes.com/do/downloads/downloadsNETbook
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RE: CodeNotes for Oracle9i...
Thank Goodness. Now I can go back to that 4-pak of Guinness on my 25-mile drive to work. Whew! THAT'll make the day go easier. Rich Rich Jesse System/Database Administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quad/Tech International, Sussex, WI USA http://society.servebeer.com Disclaimer: As President of The Beer Ale Lager Lovers Society, I'd like to remind everyone that...oh, you know the schpeel -- don't be stupid. -Original Message- From: Yechiel Adar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 8:49 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Re: CodeNotes for Oracle9i... The studies I remember on the subject say that talking while driving put you in the same risk factor as drunk driving . -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Jesse, Rich INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: CodeNotes for Oracle9i... Destress on the way home!...OT
I almost used that one. The real problem is finding celebrities with the following last names: Niemiec Velpuri Testa Kolk Vaidyanatha -Original Message- Sent: Monday, October 14, 2002 6:58 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hoagy Carmichael reads DBA 101 by Rachel Carmichael? --- Fink, Dan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We could put together a whole Namesakes series about Oracle stuff... Morgan Freeman reads Oracle 9i New Features by Robert Freeman Patch Adams reads Oracle8i Internal Services by Steve Adams Apologies to Spinal Tap for the distorted idea... -Original Message- Sent: Monday, October 14, 2002 3:53 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Dennis, I also have a driving commute, and I was also thinking about asking her to voice record her book. But I think I would get into an accident hearing her sexy voice describing how to recover a database...:P :) :P :) -Original Message- Sent: Monday, October 14, 2002 5:34 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L John - Wow! An impressive memory tour de force! My problem is that I am driving during my commute. You get the strangest looks when the next driver glances over and sees your face buried in a PDA. Actually that last phrase might become prophetic. I was just asking if there was a way to get a talking e-book. For example, you can download just about any book whose copyright has expired, copy, paste into my text-to-voice, and there you have an audio version. I'll be long dead before the copyrights on any books about Oracle expire. Most e-book publishers protect their material as zealously as the Secret Service protects the president. Which often renders them unusable for any purpose. Personally, I liked the suggestion to ask the noted authors on this list to read their books just like the fiction superstars do. Dennis Williams DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Monday, October 14, 2002 4:11 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Dennis, See below is an email conversation that I had with the 'Goddess' in 2000 on the same subject. Those were the days when Goddesses had to sleep and de-stress on their way home (Ducking as the Goddess takes out her six-shooter magic wand) John Reply from Rachel: == Geek! G The concept you are thinking of exists in some form already -- e-books. PDA sized computer that you can download a book into. Destressing is important -- but more so is the nap I took on the train on my way home tonight! Rachel From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Using your commute time Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 08:41:26 +0800 I use the time to talk to the people I know on the train, or to read. Fiction or otherwise. Others have their laptops, I see them working with them. Or they read the newspapers, or sleep. Granted, but the difference as against a push-technology such as a Radio station (which many people listen to while commuting) is that this is a pull-technology, i.e. optional availability. However, I do conceed to the need to decompress/destress/plan/communicate with others, energize, etc. I think technical books need visual interfaces. For diagrams, tables etc. Which brings me to my next brain-wave (or sizzled-brain-wave :) - Computers have drastically reduced in size while increasing in capacity and capability. However, the restraining factor has been (and will be) the size of the Input/Output area (i.e. Screen/Keyboard size) which cannot reduce below a threshold. What if someone discovers how to use a hologram to perform the same input/output? These hologram enabled PDA and Web based 'appliances' can shrink to the size of a plastic 'smart-card'! Just project everything onto a virtual screen which can be virtually touched and pointed to, etc!! You could probably have your personal (private) view using special glasses if required. I wouldn't rule out something like this being made available within the next decade... So far, I have only talked about the tech side of things here - there are many dangers and negative side effects to the personal and societal aspects. More of that later! Slightly crazy today, aren't I? John WINMAIL.DAT -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: John Kanagaraj INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may
RE: CodeNotes for Oracle9i... Destress on the way home!...OT
_Oracle 8i Backup And Recovery_, a Rendezvous With Rama --Walt Weaver (Not exactly a namesake, but the best I could do) -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 9:54 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I almost used that one. The real problem is finding celebrities with the following last names: Niemiec Velpuri Testa Kolk Vaidyanatha -Original Message- Sent: Monday, October 14, 2002 6:58 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hoagy Carmichael reads DBA 101 by Rachel Carmichael? --- Fink, Dan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We could put together a whole Namesakes series about Oracle stuff... Morgan Freeman reads Oracle 9i New Features by Robert Freeman Patch Adams reads Oracle8i Internal Services by Steve Adams Apologies to Spinal Tap for the distorted idea... -Original Message- Sent: Monday, October 14, 2002 3:53 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Dennis, I also have a driving commute, and I was also thinking about asking her to voice record her book. But I think I would get into an accident hearing her sexy voice describing how to recover a database...:P :) :P :) -Original Message- Sent: Monday, October 14, 2002 5:34 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L John - Wow! An impressive memory tour de force! My problem is that I am driving during my commute. You get the strangest looks when the next driver glances over and sees your face buried in a PDA. Actually that last phrase might become prophetic. I was just asking if there was a way to get a talking e-book. For example, you can download just about any book whose copyright has expired, copy, paste into my text-to-voice, and there you have an audio version. I'll be long dead before the copyrights on any books about Oracle expire. Most e-book publishers protect their material as zealously as the Secret Service protects the president. Which often renders them unusable for any purpose. Personally, I liked the suggestion to ask the noted authors on this list to read their books just like the fiction superstars do. Dennis Williams DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Monday, October 14, 2002 4:11 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Dennis, See below is an email conversation that I had with the 'Goddess' in 2000 on the same subject. Those were the days when Goddesses had to sleep and de-stress on their way home (Ducking as the Goddess takes out her six-shooter magic wand) John Reply from Rachel: == Geek! G The concept you are thinking of exists in some form already -- e-books. PDA sized computer that you can download a book into. Destressing is important -- but more so is the nap I took on the train on my way home tonight! Rachel From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Using your commute time Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 08:41:26 +0800 I use the time to talk to the people I know on the train, or to read. Fiction or otherwise. Others have their laptops, I see them working with them. Or they read the newspapers, or sleep. Granted, but the difference as against a push-technology such as a Radio station (which many people listen to while commuting) is that this is a pull-technology, i.e. optional availability. However, I do conceed to the need to decompress/destress/plan/communicate with others, energize, etc. I think technical books need visual interfaces. For diagrams, tables etc. Which brings me to my next brain-wave (or sizzled-brain-wave :) - Computers have drastically reduced in size while increasing in capacity and capability. However, the restraining factor has been (and will be) the size of the Input/Output area (i.e. Screen/Keyboard size) which cannot reduce below a threshold. What if someone discovers how to use a hologram to perform the same input/output? These hologram enabled PDA and Web based 'appliances' can shrink to the size of a plastic 'smart-card'! Just project everything onto a virtual screen which can be virtually touched and pointed to, etc!! You could probably have your personal (private) view using special glasses if required. I wouldn't rule out something like this being made available within the next decade... So far, I have only talked about the tech side of things here - there are many dangers and negative side effects to the personal and societal aspects. More of that later! Slightly crazy today, aren't I? John WINMAIL.DAT -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: John Kanagaraj INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this
RE: CodeNotes for Oracle9i... Destress on the way home!...OT
And don't forget Still! -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 11:54 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I almost used that one. The real problem is finding celebrities with the following last names: Niemiec Velpuri Testa Kolk Vaidyanatha -Original Message- Sent: Monday, October 14, 2002 6:58 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hoagy Carmichael reads DBA 101 by Rachel Carmichael? --- Fink, Dan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We could put together a whole Namesakes series about Oracle stuff... Morgan Freeman reads Oracle 9i New Features by Robert Freeman Patch Adams reads Oracle8i Internal Services by Steve Adams Apologies to Spinal Tap for the distorted idea... -Original Message- Sent: Monday, October 14, 2002 3:53 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Dennis, I also have a driving commute, and I was also thinking about asking her to voice record her book. But I think I would get into an accident hearing her sexy voice describing how to recover a database...:P :) :P :) -Original Message- Sent: Monday, October 14, 2002 5:34 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L John - Wow! An impressive memory tour de force! My problem is that I am driving during my commute. You get the strangest looks when the next driver glances over and sees your face buried in a PDA. Actually that last phrase might become prophetic. I was just asking if there was a way to get a talking e-book. For example, you can download just about any book whose copyright has expired, copy, paste into my text-to-voice, and there you have an audio version. I'll be long dead before the copyrights on any books about Oracle expire. Most e-book publishers protect their material as zealously as the Secret Service protects the president. Which often renders them unusable for any purpose. Personally, I liked the suggestion to ask the noted authors on this list to read their books just like the fiction superstars do. Dennis Williams DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Monday, October 14, 2002 4:11 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Dennis, See below is an email conversation that I had with the 'Goddess' in 2000 on the same subject. Those were the days when Goddesses had to sleep and de-stress on their way home (Ducking as the Goddess takes out her six-shooter magic wand) John Reply from Rachel: == Geek! G The concept you are thinking of exists in some form already -- e-books. PDA sized computer that you can download a book into. Destressing is important -- but more so is the nap I took on the train on my way home tonight! Rachel From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Using your commute time Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 08:41:26 +0800 I use the time to talk to the people I know on the train, or to read. Fiction or otherwise. Others have their laptops, I see them working with them. Or they read the newspapers, or sleep. Granted, but the difference as against a push-technology such as a Radio station (which many people listen to while commuting) is that this is a pull-technology, i.e. optional availability. However, I do conceed to the need to decompress/destress/plan/communicate with others, energize, etc. I think technical books need visual interfaces. For diagrams, tables etc. Which brings me to my next brain-wave (or sizzled-brain-wave :) - Computers have drastically reduced in size while increasing in capacity and capability. However, the restraining factor has been (and will be) the size of the Input/Output area (i.e. Screen/Keyboard size) which cannot reduce below a threshold. What if someone discovers how to use a hologram to perform the same input/output? These hologram enabled PDA and Web based 'appliances' can shrink to the size of a plastic 'smart-card'! Just project everything onto a virtual screen which can be virtually touched and pointed to, etc!! You could probably have your personal (private) view using special glasses if required. I wouldn't rule out something like this being made available within the next decade... So far, I have only talked about the tech side of things here - there are many dangers and negative side effects to the personal and societal aspects. More of that later! Slightly crazy today, aren't I? John WINMAIL.DAT -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: John Kanagaraj INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru')
Re: CodeNotes for Oracle9i...
God no! I'd better let my (male) co-author do the audiotaping :)
I've never understood why talking on a hands-free phone is less
distracting than talking on a phone you have to hold
--- Connor McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There's always some idiot who wants to rain on the
parade, so it may as well be me. I can't remember the
specifics but a recent test in London showed that
people on (hands-free) phones in their cars were 'x'%
more likely to crash ('x' was somewhere like 50%!),
the test being designed to show that its not the phone
in your hand, its the fact that you're
talking/listening that ends up killing you...
I can't begin to imagine the traffic carnage when the
CD DBA101: The sensual sultry sounds of Carmichael
hits the charts!
Does Rachel really want that kind of responsbility :-)
Cheers
Connor
--- Rachel Carmichael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It's a little difficult to see how code samples and
illustrations
(which I find invaluable) could be translated to
audio
It's technically copyright infringement (I believe)
to translate the
books. I don't own the copyright, so I'm not about
to call out the
lawyers. I am supposed to contact my publisher for
permission (never
been refused, as it's publicity) when I want to use
part of a chapter
for an article or presentation.
Besides, I have problems concentrating when I listen
to books on tape,
so I'm not the best person to advocate this!
--- Joe Testa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I would think the authors should read and publish
the books in .mp3
format, you can get like 10 hours worth on one cd.
Rachel how about you start,
bwahahahahahahaha
joe
DENNIS WILLIAMS wrote:
I have an odd question about these on-line books.
Can I
copy-and-paste the
text?
Like many of you, I seem to end up with long
commutes (why are
the best
jobs never in your neighborhood?). I find
listening to books on CD
to be a
better use of time than reading bumper stickers.
Nobody ever seems
to issue
Oracle books on audio. So I got a text-to-voice
program, and it
works pretty
good to create an audio version of a book. But
many of these eBooks
zealously protect their text and prevent you from
doing
copy-and-paste on
the text. Fortunately Oracle makes their books
readily available.
Any ideas
are welcome. And my apologies to the authors on
the list that are
going he
wants to do WHAT with my book!!.
Dennis Williams
DBA
Lifetouch, Inc.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 7:54 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
I believe the Book Safari is changing. It is
supposed
to be more flexible now.
http://www.oreilly.com/news/new_safari_0902.html
Jared
Grabowy, Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject:CodeNotes for Oracle9i...
So every few months my Lookout reminder pops up
to remind me to
check out
what new Oracle books have been released. I
stumbled upon a new
book
called CodeNotes for Oracle9i on Amazon.com, but
the interesting
part is
that it is available in eBook format. Here's the
(probably broken)
link...
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B6ISCN/qid=1034101493/sr=1
-25/ref=sr_1_25/104-5919725-7522346?v=glance
The eBook version is $9.95 and the shipping is
free (big grin),
while the
paperback is $13.97 plus shipping. Are you
comfortable reading an
eBook?
You decide.
At any rate, I will probably break down and buy
the eBook. Not so
much
because the book is great (or not) but because I
hope to send a
message to
publishers to publish more books in the eBook
format, which is also
why I
posted this message.
I know that O'Reilly has the Safari Bookshelf
website, but I found
it to
be restrictive and pricey.
BTW, if for some reason you are or will be using
.Net, the CodeNotes
eBook
version is free...
http://www.codenotes.com/do/downloads/downloadsNETbook
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RE: CodeNotes for Oracle9i...
Yeah, hearing the Goddess describe massaging the 'data' in sultry detail
would surely be a distraction... grin
Scott Shafer
San Antonio, TX
210.581.6217
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Subject: Re: CodeNotes for Oracle9i...
There's always some idiot who wants to rain on the
parade, so it may as well be me. I can't remember the
specifics but a recent test in London showed that
people on (hands-free) phones in their cars were 'x'%
more likely to crash ('x' was somewhere like 50%!),
the test being designed to show that its not the phone
in your hand, its the fact that you're
talking/listening that ends up killing you...
I can't begin to imagine the traffic carnage when the
CD DBA101: The sensual sultry sounds of Carmichael
hits the charts!
Does Rachel really want that kind of responsbility :-)
Cheers
Connor
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OT: RE: CodeNotes for Oracle9i...
Does the great IAM still exist. For those who have not heard of it IAM is the
Institute of Advanced Motoring. I had thought it an invention of Monty Python, but
it's a real. Members of
the great IAM pay less for their auto insurance policies. Can one retain
membership whilst talking on a cell phone and listening to riveting code fragments?
Ian MacGregor
Stanford Linear Accelerator Center
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There's always some idiot who wants to rain on the
parade, so it may as well be me. I can't remember the
specifics but a recent test in London showed that
people on (hands-free) phones in their cars were 'x'%
more likely to crash ('x' was somewhere like 50%!),
the test being designed to show that its not the phone
in your hand, its the fact that you're
talking/listening that ends up killing you...
I can't begin to imagine the traffic carnage when the
CD DBA101: The sensual sultry sounds of Carmichael
hits the charts!
Does Rachel really want that kind of responsbility :-)
Cheers
Connor
--- Rachel Carmichael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It's a little difficult to see how code samples and
illustrations
(which I find invaluable) could be translated to
audio
It's technically copyright infringement (I believe)
to translate the
books. I don't own the copyright, so I'm not about
to call out the
lawyers. I am supposed to contact my publisher for
permission (never
been refused, as it's publicity) when I want to use
part of a chapter
for an article or presentation.
Besides, I have problems concentrating when I listen
to books on tape,
so I'm not the best person to advocate this!
--- Joe Testa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I would think the authors should read and publish
the books in .mp3
format, you can get like 10 hours worth on one cd.
Rachel how about you start,
bwahahahahahahaha
joe
DENNIS WILLIAMS wrote:
I have an odd question about these on-line books.
Can I
copy-and-paste the
text?
Like many of you, I seem to end up with long
commutes (why are
the best
jobs never in your neighborhood?). I find
listening to books on CD
to be a
better use of time than reading bumper stickers.
Nobody ever seems
to issue
Oracle books on audio. So I got a text-to-voice
program, and it
works pretty
good to create an audio version of a book. But
many of these eBooks
zealously protect their text and prevent you from
doing
copy-and-paste on
the text. Fortunately Oracle makes their books
readily available.
Any ideas
are welcome. And my apologies to the authors on
the list that are
going he
wants to do WHAT with my book!!.
Dennis Williams
DBA
Lifetouch, Inc.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
-Original Message-
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 7:54 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
I believe the Book Safari is changing. It is
supposed
to be more flexible now.
http://www.oreilly.com/news/new_safari_0902.html
Jared
Grabowy, Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
10/08/2002 01:04 PM
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To: Multiple recipients of list
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Subject:CodeNotes for Oracle9i...
So every few months my Lookout reminder pops up
to remind me to
check out
what new Oracle books have been released. I
stumbled upon a new
book
called CodeNotes for Oracle9i on Amazon.com, but
the interesting
part is
that it is available in eBook format. Here's the
(probably broken)
link...
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B6ISCN/qid=1034101493/sr=1
-25/ref=sr_1_25/104-5919725-7522346?v=glance
The eBook version is $9.95 and the shipping is
free (big grin),
while the
paperback is $13.97 plus shipping. Are you
comfortable reading an
eBook?
You decide.
At any rate, I will probably break down and buy
the eBook. Not so
much
because the book is great (or not) but because I
hope to send a
message to
publishers to publish more books in the eBook
format, which is also
why I
posted this message.
I know that O'Reilly has the Safari Bookshelf
website, but I found
it to
be restrictive and pricey.
BTW, if for some reason you are or will be using
.Net, the CodeNotes
eBook
version is free...
http://www.codenotes.com/do/downloads/downloadsNETbook
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RE: CodeNotes for Oracle9i... Destress on the way home!...OT
A near-miss with Niemiec --- Weaver, Walt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: _Oracle 8i Backup And Recovery_, a Rendezvous With Rama --Walt Weaver (Not exactly a namesake, but the best I could do) -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 9:54 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I almost used that one. The real problem is finding celebrities with the following last names: Niemiec Velpuri Testa Kolk Vaidyanatha -Original Message- Sent: Monday, October 14, 2002 6:58 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hoagy Carmichael reads DBA 101 by Rachel Carmichael? --- Fink, Dan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We could put together a whole Namesakes series about Oracle stuff... Morgan Freeman reads Oracle 9i New Features by Robert Freeman Patch Adams reads Oracle8i Internal Services by Steve Adams Apologies to Spinal Tap for the distorted idea... -Original Message- Sent: Monday, October 14, 2002 3:53 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Dennis, I also have a driving commute, and I was also thinking about asking her to voice record her book. But I think I would get into an accident hearing her sexy voice describing how to recover a database...:P :) :P :) -Original Message- Sent: Monday, October 14, 2002 5:34 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L John - Wow! An impressive memory tour de force! My problem is that I am driving during my commute. You get the strangest looks when the next driver glances over and sees your face buried in a PDA. Actually that last phrase might become prophetic. I was just asking if there was a way to get a talking e-book. For example, you can download just about any book whose copyright has expired, copy, paste into my text-to-voice, and there you have an audio version. I'll be long dead before the copyrights on any books about Oracle expire. Most e-book publishers protect their material as zealously as the Secret Service protects the president. Which often renders them unusable for any purpose. Personally, I liked the suggestion to ask the noted authors on this list to read their books just like the fiction superstars do. Dennis Williams DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Monday, October 14, 2002 4:11 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Dennis, See below is an email conversation that I had with the 'Goddess' in 2000 on the same subject. Those were the days when Goddesses had to sleep and de-stress on their way home (Ducking as the Goddess takes out her six-shooter magic wand) John Reply from Rachel: == Geek! G The concept you are thinking of exists in some form already -- e-books. PDA sized computer that you can download a book into. Destressing is important -- but more so is the nap I took on the train on my way home tonight! Rachel From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Using your commute time Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 08:41:26 +0800 I use the time to talk to the people I know on the train, or to read. Fiction or otherwise. Others have their laptops, I see them working with them. Or they read the newspapers, or sleep. Granted, but the difference as against a push-technology such as a Radio station (which many people listen to while commuting) is that this is a pull-technology, i.e. optional availability. However, I do conceed to the need to decompress/destress/plan/communicate with others, energize, etc. I think technical books need visual interfaces. For diagrams, tables etc. Which brings me to my next brain-wave (or sizzled-brain-wave :) - Computers have drastically reduced in size while increasing in capacity and capability. However, the restraining factor has been (and will be) the size of the Input/Output area (i.e. Screen/Keyboard size) which cannot reduce below a threshold. What if someone discovers how to use a hologram to perform the same input/output? These hologram enabled PDA and Web based 'appliances' can shrink to the size of a plastic 'smart-card'! Just project everything onto a virtual screen which can be virtually touched and pointed to, etc!! You could probably have your personal (private) view using special glasses if required. I wouldn't rule out something like this being made available within the next decade... So far, I have only talked about the tech side of things here - there are many dangers and negative side effects to the personal and societal aspects. More of that later! Slightly crazy today, aren't I? John WINMAIL.DAT -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com --
RE: CodeNotes for Oracle9i... Destress on the way home!
Dennis, See below is an email conversation that I had with the 'Goddess' in 2000 on the same subject. Those were the days when Goddesses had to sleep and de-stress on their way home (Ducking as the Goddess takes out her six-shooter magic wand) John Reply from Rachel: == Geek! G The concept you are thinking of exists in some form already -- e-books. PDA sized computer that you can download a book into. Destressing is important -- but more so is the nap I took on the train on my way home tonight! Rachel From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Using your commute time Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 08:41:26 +0800 I use the time to talk to the people I know on the train, or to read. Fiction or otherwise. Others have their laptops, I see them working with them. Or they read the newspapers, or sleep. Granted, but the difference as against a push-technology such as a Radio station (which many people listen to while commuting) is that this is a pull-technology, i.e. optional availability. However, I do conceed to the need to decompress/destress/plan/communicate with others, energize, etc. I think technical books need visual interfaces. For diagrams, tables etc. Which brings me to my next brain-wave (or sizzled-brain-wave :) - Computers have drastically reduced in size while increasing in capacity and capability. However, the restraining factor has been (and will be) the size of the Input/Output area (i.e. Screen/Keyboard size) which cannot reduce below a threshold. What if someone discovers how to use a hologram to perform the same input/output? These hologram enabled PDA and Web based 'appliances' can shrink to the size of a plastic 'smart-card'! Just project everything onto a virtual screen which can be virtually touched and pointed to, etc!! You could probably have your personal (private) view using special glasses if required. I wouldn't rule out something like this being made available within the next decade... So far, I have only talked about the tech side of things here - there are many dangers and negative side effects to the personal and societal aspects. More of that later! Slightly crazy today, aren't I? John WINMAIL.DAT -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: John Kanagaraj INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: CodeNotes for Oracle9i... Destress on the way home!
John - Wow! An impressive memory tour de force! My problem is that I am driving during my commute. You get the strangest looks when the next driver glances over and sees your face buried in a PDA. Actually that last phrase might become prophetic. I was just asking if there was a way to get a talking e-book. For example, you can download just about any book whose copyright has expired, copy, paste into my text-to-voice, and there you have an audio version. I'll be long dead before the copyrights on any books about Oracle expire. Most e-book publishers protect their material as zealously as the Secret Service protects the president. Which often renders them unusable for any purpose. Personally, I liked the suggestion to ask the noted authors on this list to read their books just like the fiction superstars do. Dennis Williams DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Monday, October 14, 2002 4:11 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Dennis, See below is an email conversation that I had with the 'Goddess' in 2000 on the same subject. Those were the days when Goddesses had to sleep and de-stress on their way home (Ducking as the Goddess takes out her six-shooter magic wand) John Reply from Rachel: == Geek! G The concept you are thinking of exists in some form already -- e-books. PDA sized computer that you can download a book into. Destressing is important -- but more so is the nap I took on the train on my way home tonight! Rachel From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Using your commute time Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 08:41:26 +0800 I use the time to talk to the people I know on the train, or to read. Fiction or otherwise. Others have their laptops, I see them working with them. Or they read the newspapers, or sleep. Granted, but the difference as against a push-technology such as a Radio station (which many people listen to while commuting) is that this is a pull-technology, i.e. optional availability. However, I do conceed to the need to decompress/destress/plan/communicate with others, energize, etc. I think technical books need visual interfaces. For diagrams, tables etc. Which brings me to my next brain-wave (or sizzled-brain-wave :) - Computers have drastically reduced in size while increasing in capacity and capability. However, the restraining factor has been (and will be) the size of the Input/Output area (i.e. Screen/Keyboard size) which cannot reduce below a threshold. What if someone discovers how to use a hologram to perform the same input/output? These hologram enabled PDA and Web based 'appliances' can shrink to the size of a plastic 'smart-card'! Just project everything onto a virtual screen which can be virtually touched and pointed to, etc!! You could probably have your personal (private) view using special glasses if required. I wouldn't rule out something like this being made available within the next decade... So far, I have only talked about the tech side of things here - there are many dangers and negative side effects to the personal and societal aspects. More of that later! Slightly crazy today, aren't I? John WINMAIL.DAT -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: John Kanagaraj INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: CodeNotes for Oracle9i... Destress on the way home!...OT
Dennis, I also have a driving commute, and I was also thinking about asking her to voice record her book. But I think I would get into an accident hearing her sexy voice describing how to recover a database...:P :) :P :) -Original Message- Sent: Monday, October 14, 2002 5:34 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L John - Wow! An impressive memory tour de force! My problem is that I am driving during my commute. You get the strangest looks when the next driver glances over and sees your face buried in a PDA. Actually that last phrase might become prophetic. I was just asking if there was a way to get a talking e-book. For example, you can download just about any book whose copyright has expired, copy, paste into my text-to-voice, and there you have an audio version. I'll be long dead before the copyrights on any books about Oracle expire. Most e-book publishers protect their material as zealously as the Secret Service protects the president. Which often renders them unusable for any purpose. Personally, I liked the suggestion to ask the noted authors on this list to read their books just like the fiction superstars do. Dennis Williams DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Monday, October 14, 2002 4:11 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Dennis, See below is an email conversation that I had with the 'Goddess' in 2000 on the same subject. Those were the days when Goddesses had to sleep and de-stress on their way home (Ducking as the Goddess takes out her six-shooter magic wand) John Reply from Rachel: == Geek! G The concept you are thinking of exists in some form already -- e-books. PDA sized computer that you can download a book into. Destressing is important -- but more so is the nap I took on the train on my way home tonight! Rachel From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Using your commute time Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 08:41:26 +0800 I use the time to talk to the people I know on the train, or to read. Fiction or otherwise. Others have their laptops, I see them working with them. Or they read the newspapers, or sleep. Granted, but the difference as against a push-technology such as a Radio station (which many people listen to while commuting) is that this is a pull-technology, i.e. optional availability. However, I do conceed to the need to decompress/destress/plan/communicate with others, energize, etc. I think technical books need visual interfaces. For diagrams, tables etc. Which brings me to my next brain-wave (or sizzled-brain-wave :) - Computers have drastically reduced in size while increasing in capacity and capability. However, the restraining factor has been (and will be) the size of the Input/Output area (i.e. Screen/Keyboard size) which cannot reduce below a threshold. What if someone discovers how to use a hologram to perform the same input/output? These hologram enabled PDA and Web based 'appliances' can shrink to the size of a plastic 'smart-card'! Just project everything onto a virtual screen which can be virtually touched and pointed to, etc!! You could probably have your personal (private) view using special glasses if required. I wouldn't rule out something like this being made available within the next decade... So far, I have only talked about the tech side of things here - there are many dangers and negative side effects to the personal and societal aspects. More of that later! Slightly crazy today, aren't I? John WINMAIL.DAT -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: John Kanagaraj INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Grabowy, Chris INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat
Re: CodeNotes for Oracle9i...
It's a little difficult to see how code samples and illustrations (which I find invaluable) could be translated to audio It's technically copyright infringement (I believe) to translate the books. I don't own the copyright, so I'm not about to call out the lawyers. I am supposed to contact my publisher for permission (never been refused, as it's publicity) when I want to use part of a chapter for an article or presentation. Besides, I have problems concentrating when I listen to books on tape, so I'm not the best person to advocate this! --- Joe Testa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would think the authors should read and publish the books in .mp3 format, you can get like 10 hours worth on one cd. Rachel how about you start, bwahahahahahahaha joe DENNIS WILLIAMS wrote: I have an odd question about these on-line books. Can I copy-and-paste the text? Like many of you, I seem to end up with long commutes (why are the best jobs never in your neighborhood?). I find listening to books on CD to be a better use of time than reading bumper stickers. Nobody ever seems to issue Oracle books on audio. So I got a text-to-voice program, and it works pretty good to create an audio version of a book. But many of these eBooks zealously protect their text and prevent you from doing copy-and-paste on the text. Fortunately Oracle makes their books readily available. Any ideas are welcome. And my apologies to the authors on the list that are going he wants to do WHAT with my book!!. Dennis Williams DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 7:54 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I believe the Book Safari is changing. It is supposed to be more flexible now. http://www.oreilly.com/news/new_safari_0902.html Jared Grabowy, Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/08/2002 01:04 PM Please respond to ORACLE-L To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:CodeNotes for Oracle9i... So every few months my Lookout reminder pops up to remind me to check out what new Oracle books have been released. I stumbled upon a new book called CodeNotes for Oracle9i on Amazon.com, but the interesting part is that it is available in eBook format. Here's the (probably broken) link... http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B6ISCN/qid=1034101493/sr=1 -25/ref=sr_1_25/104-5919725-7522346?v=glance The eBook version is $9.95 and the shipping is free (big grin), while the paperback is $13.97 plus shipping. Are you comfortable reading an eBook? You decide. At any rate, I will probably break down and buy the eBook. Not so much because the book is great (or not) but because I hope to send a message to publishers to publish more books in the eBook format, which is also why I posted this message. I know that O'Reilly has the Safari Bookshelf website, but I found it to be restrictive and pricey. BTW, if for some reason you are or will be using .Net, the CodeNotes eBook version is free... http://www.codenotes.com/do/downloads/downloadsNETbook -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Joe Testa INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). __ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos More http://faith.yahoo.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Rachel Carmichael INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: CodeNotes for Oracle9i... Destress on the way home!
smart aleck! :) I've spent time on the train reading and working. I've learned that I need the time between leaving work and getting home to turn off my brain and relax before dealing with reading this and the OT lists at home! I can't believe you saved that email. Sheesh, you really ARE a geek --- John Kanagaraj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dennis, See below is an email conversation that I had with the 'Goddess' in 2000 on the same subject. Those were the days when Goddesses had to sleep and de-stress on their way home (Ducking as the Goddess takes out her six-shooter magic wand) John Reply from Rachel: == Geek! G The concept you are thinking of exists in some form already -- e-books. PDA sized computer that you can download a book into. Destressing is important -- but more so is the nap I took on the train on my way home tonight! Rachel From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Using your commute time Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 08:41:26 +0800 I use the time to talk to the people I know on the train, or to read. Fiction or otherwise. Others have their laptops, I see them working with them. Or they read the newspapers, or sleep. Granted, but the difference as against a push-technology such as a Radio station (which many people listen to while commuting) is that this is a pull-technology, i.e. optional availability. However, I do conceed to the need to decompress/destress/plan/communicate with others, energize, etc. I think technical books need visual interfaces. For diagrams, tables etc. Which brings me to my next brain-wave (or sizzled-brain-wave :) - Computers have drastically reduced in size while increasing in capacity and capability. However, the restraining factor has been (and will be) the size of the Input/Output area (i.e. Screen/Keyboard size) which cannot reduce below a threshold. What if someone discovers how to use a hologram to perform the same input/output? These hologram enabled PDA and Web based 'appliances' can shrink to the size of a plastic 'smart-card'! Just project everything onto a virtual screen which can be virtually touched and pointed to, etc!! You could probably have your personal (private) view using special glasses if required. I wouldn't rule out something like this being made available within the next decade... So far, I have only talked about the tech side of things here - there are many dangers and negative side effects to the personal and societal aspects. More of that later! Slightly crazy today, aren't I? John WINMAIL.DAT -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: John Kanagaraj INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). __ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos More http://faith.yahoo.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Rachel Carmichael INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: CodeNotes for Oracle9i... Destress on the way home!...OT
We could put together a whole Namesakes series about Oracle stuff... Morgan Freeman reads Oracle 9i New Features by Robert Freeman Patch Adams reads Oracle8i Internal Services by Steve Adams Apologies to Spinal Tap for the distorted idea... -Original Message- Sent: Monday, October 14, 2002 3:53 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Dennis, I also have a driving commute, and I was also thinking about asking her to voice record her book. But I think I would get into an accident hearing her sexy voice describing how to recover a database...:P :) :P :) -Original Message- Sent: Monday, October 14, 2002 5:34 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L John - Wow! An impressive memory tour de force! My problem is that I am driving during my commute. You get the strangest looks when the next driver glances over and sees your face buried in a PDA. Actually that last phrase might become prophetic. I was just asking if there was a way to get a talking e-book. For example, you can download just about any book whose copyright has expired, copy, paste into my text-to-voice, and there you have an audio version. I'll be long dead before the copyrights on any books about Oracle expire. Most e-book publishers protect their material as zealously as the Secret Service protects the president. Which often renders them unusable for any purpose. Personally, I liked the suggestion to ask the noted authors on this list to read their books just like the fiction superstars do. Dennis Williams DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Monday, October 14, 2002 4:11 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Dennis, See below is an email conversation that I had with the 'Goddess' in 2000 on the same subject. Those were the days when Goddesses had to sleep and de-stress on their way home (Ducking as the Goddess takes out her six-shooter magic wand) John Reply from Rachel: == Geek! G The concept you are thinking of exists in some form already -- e-books. PDA sized computer that you can download a book into. Destressing is important -- but more so is the nap I took on the train on my way home tonight! Rachel From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Using your commute time Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 08:41:26 +0800 I use the time to talk to the people I know on the train, or to read. Fiction or otherwise. Others have their laptops, I see them working with them. Or they read the newspapers, or sleep. Granted, but the difference as against a push-technology such as a Radio station (which many people listen to while commuting) is that this is a pull-technology, i.e. optional availability. However, I do conceed to the need to decompress/destress/plan/communicate with others, energize, etc. I think technical books need visual interfaces. For diagrams, tables etc. Which brings me to my next brain-wave (or sizzled-brain-wave :) - Computers have drastically reduced in size while increasing in capacity and capability. However, the restraining factor has been (and will be) the size of the Input/Output area (i.e. Screen/Keyboard size) which cannot reduce below a threshold. What if someone discovers how to use a hologram to perform the same input/output? These hologram enabled PDA and Web based 'appliances' can shrink to the size of a plastic 'smart-card'! Just project everything onto a virtual screen which can be virtually touched and pointed to, etc!! You could probably have your personal (private) view using special glasses if required. I wouldn't rule out something like this being made available within the next decade... So far, I have only talked about the tech side of things here - there are many dangers and negative side effects to the personal and societal aspects. More of that later! Slightly crazy today, aren't I? John WINMAIL.DAT -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: John Kanagaraj INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT
RE: CodeNotes for Oracle9i... Destress on the way home!...OT
Hoagy Carmichael reads DBA 101 by Rachel Carmichael? --- Fink, Dan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We could put together a whole Namesakes series about Oracle stuff... Morgan Freeman reads Oracle 9i New Features by Robert Freeman Patch Adams reads Oracle8i Internal Services by Steve Adams Apologies to Spinal Tap for the distorted idea... -Original Message- Sent: Monday, October 14, 2002 3:53 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Dennis, I also have a driving commute, and I was also thinking about asking her to voice record her book. But I think I would get into an accident hearing her sexy voice describing how to recover a database...:P :) :P :) -Original Message- Sent: Monday, October 14, 2002 5:34 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L John - Wow! An impressive memory tour de force! My problem is that I am driving during my commute. You get the strangest looks when the next driver glances over and sees your face buried in a PDA. Actually that last phrase might become prophetic. I was just asking if there was a way to get a talking e-book. For example, you can download just about any book whose copyright has expired, copy, paste into my text-to-voice, and there you have an audio version. I'll be long dead before the copyrights on any books about Oracle expire. Most e-book publishers protect their material as zealously as the Secret Service protects the president. Which often renders them unusable for any purpose. Personally, I liked the suggestion to ask the noted authors on this list to read their books just like the fiction superstars do. Dennis Williams DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Monday, October 14, 2002 4:11 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Dennis, See below is an email conversation that I had with the 'Goddess' in 2000 on the same subject. Those were the days when Goddesses had to sleep and de-stress on their way home (Ducking as the Goddess takes out her six-shooter magic wand) John Reply from Rachel: == Geek! G The concept you are thinking of exists in some form already -- e-books. PDA sized computer that you can download a book into. Destressing is important -- but more so is the nap I took on the train on my way home tonight! Rachel From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Using your commute time Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 08:41:26 +0800 I use the time to talk to the people I know on the train, or to read. Fiction or otherwise. Others have their laptops, I see them working with them. Or they read the newspapers, or sleep. Granted, but the difference as against a push-technology such as a Radio station (which many people listen to while commuting) is that this is a pull-technology, i.e. optional availability. However, I do conceed to the need to decompress/destress/plan/communicate with others, energize, etc. I think technical books need visual interfaces. For diagrams, tables etc. Which brings me to my next brain-wave (or sizzled-brain-wave :) - Computers have drastically reduced in size while increasing in capacity and capability. However, the restraining factor has been (and will be) the size of the Input/Output area (i.e. Screen/Keyboard size) which cannot reduce below a threshold. What if someone discovers how to use a hologram to perform the same input/output? These hologram enabled PDA and Web based 'appliances' can shrink to the size of a plastic 'smart-card'! Just project everything onto a virtual screen which can be virtually touched and pointed to, etc!! You could probably have your personal (private) view using special glasses if required. I wouldn't rule out something like this being made available within the next decade... So far, I have only talked about the tech side of things here - there are many dangers and negative side effects to the personal and societal aspects. More of that later! Slightly crazy today, aren't I? John WINMAIL.DAT -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: John Kanagaraj INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051
Re: CodeNotes for Oracle9i...
Hey, if you'll buy it, I'll record it. Should alleviate the parental bed time story for the kiddies. A little subliminal DBA learning couldn't hurt either. could it? Jared On Saturday 12 October 2002 16:48, Joe Testa wrote: I would think the authors should read and publish the books in .mp3 format, you can get like 10 hours worth on one cd. Rachel how about you start, bwahahahahahahaha joe DENNIS WILLIAMS wrote: I have an odd question about these on-line books. Can I copy-and-paste the text? Like many of you, I seem to end up with long commutes (why are the best jobs never in your neighborhood?). I find listening to books on CD to be a better use of time than reading bumper stickers. Nobody ever seems to issue Oracle books on audio. So I got a text-to-voice program, and it works pretty good to create an audio version of a book. But many of these eBooks zealously protect their text and prevent you from doing copy-and-paste on the text. Fortunately Oracle makes their books readily available. Any ideas are welcome. And my apologies to the authors on the list that are going he wants to do WHAT with my book!!. Dennis Williams DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 7:54 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I believe the Book Safari is changing. It is supposed to be more flexible now. http://www.oreilly.com/news/new_safari_0902.html Jared Grabowy, Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/08/2002 01:04 PM Please respond to ORACLE-L To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:CodeNotes for Oracle9i... So every few months my Lookout reminder pops up to remind me to check out what new Oracle books have been released. I stumbled upon a new book called CodeNotes for Oracle9i on Amazon.com, but the interesting part is that it is available in eBook format. Here's the (probably broken) link... http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B6ISCN/qid=1034101493/sr =1 -25/ref=sr_1_25/104-5919725-7522346?v=glance The eBook version is $9.95 and the shipping is free (big grin), while the paperback is $13.97 plus shipping. Are you comfortable reading an eBook? You decide. At any rate, I will probably break down and buy the eBook. Not so much because the book is great (or not) but because I hope to send a message to publishers to publish more books in the eBook format, which is also why I posted this message. I know that O'Reilly has the Safari Bookshelf website, but I found it to be restrictive and pricey. BTW, if for some reason you are or will be using .Net, the CodeNotes eBook version is free... http://www.codenotes.com/do/downloads/downloadsNETbook -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Jared Still INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: CodeNotes for Oracle9i...
I would think the authors should read and publish the books in .mp3 format, you can get like 10 hours worth on one cd. Rachel how about you start, bwahahahahahahaha joe DENNIS WILLIAMS wrote: I have an odd question about these on-line books. Can I copy-and-paste the text? Like many of you, I seem to end up with long commutes (why are the best jobs never in your neighborhood?). I find listening to books on CD to be a better use of time than reading bumper stickers. Nobody ever seems to issue Oracle books on audio. So I got a text-to-voice program, and it works pretty good to create an audio version of a book. But many of these eBooks zealously protect their text and prevent you from doing copy-and-paste on the text. Fortunately Oracle makes their books readily available. Any ideas are welcome. And my apologies to the authors on the list that are going he wants to do WHAT with my book!!. Dennis Williams DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 7:54 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I believe the Book Safari is changing. It is supposed to be more flexible now. http://www.oreilly.com/news/new_safari_0902.html Jared Grabowy, Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/08/2002 01:04 PM Please respond to ORACLE-L To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:CodeNotes for Oracle9i... So every few months my Lookout reminder pops up to remind me to check out what new Oracle books have been released. I stumbled upon a new book called CodeNotes for Oracle9i on Amazon.com, but the interesting part is that it is available in eBook format. Here's the (probably broken) link... http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B6ISCN/qid=1034101493/sr=1 -25/ref=sr_1_25/104-5919725-7522346?v=glance The eBook version is $9.95 and the shipping is free (big grin), while the paperback is $13.97 plus shipping. Are you comfortable reading an eBook? You decide. At any rate, I will probably break down and buy the eBook. Not so much because the book is great (or not) but because I hope to send a message to publishers to publish more books in the eBook format, which is also why I posted this message. I know that O'Reilly has the Safari Bookshelf website, but I found it to be restrictive and pricey. BTW, if for some reason you are or will be using .Net, the CodeNotes eBook version is free... http://www.codenotes.com/do/downloads/downloadsNETbook -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Joe Testa INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: CodeNotes for Oracle9i...
I have an odd question about these on-line books. Can I copy-and-paste the text? Like many of you, I seem to end up with long commutes (why are the best jobs never in your neighborhood?). I find listening to books on CD to be a better use of time than reading bumper stickers. Nobody ever seems to issue Oracle books on audio. So I got a text-to-voice program, and it works pretty good to create an audio version of a book. But many of these eBooks zealously protect their text and prevent you from doing copy-and-paste on the text. Fortunately Oracle makes their books readily available. Any ideas are welcome. And my apologies to the authors on the list that are going he wants to do WHAT with my book!!. Dennis Williams DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 7:54 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I believe the Book Safari is changing. It is supposed to be more flexible now. http://www.oreilly.com/news/new_safari_0902.html Jared Grabowy, Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/08/2002 01:04 PM Please respond to ORACLE-L To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:CodeNotes for Oracle9i... So every few months my Lookout reminder pops up to remind me to check out what new Oracle books have been released. I stumbled upon a new book called CodeNotes for Oracle9i on Amazon.com, but the interesting part is that it is available in eBook format. Here's the (probably broken) link... http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B6ISCN/qid=1034101493/sr=1 -25/ref=sr_1_25/104-5919725-7522346?v=glance The eBook version is $9.95 and the shipping is free (big grin), while the paperback is $13.97 plus shipping. Are you comfortable reading an eBook? You decide. At any rate, I will probably break down and buy the eBook. Not so much because the book is great (or not) but because I hope to send a message to publishers to publish more books in the eBook format, which is also why I posted this message. I know that O'Reilly has the Safari Bookshelf website, but I found it to be restrictive and pricey. BTW, if for some reason you are or will be using .Net, the CodeNotes eBook version is free... http://www.codenotes.com/do/downloads/downloadsNETbook -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Grabowy, Chris INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: CodeNotes for Oracle9i...OT
It still seems to be restrictive and pricey to me. The 30 books-a-month at a one time yearly fee is $300. At the end of the year, what do you have? Another $300 bill for the next year. And how many books do you have access too, if you don't dish out another $300, ZERO. With bookpool.com, for $300 I can buy quite a few books, that I will still have after one year. Granted after 3 or 4 years those books will be retired, but they definitely paid for themselves. And if my site is slow to upgrade then I may keep my books for even longer...some sites are still running Oracle7. Additionally, paper books are great since you can highlight, mark, scribble notes, attach tabs to the page, etc. Obviously, if I work for a company that has deep pockets then they can pay the bill, but that doesn't appear to be the case today. I love Oreilly books, I just don't like the Safari Bookshelf website deal. This business model needs more work...perhaps they have snagged 9,999 customers, but if they dropped the prices and dropped the restrictions then they will get 999,999,999,999,999 customers. (stepping down from my soapbox, my apologies for my off-topic ranting and raving, thank God it's Friday) -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 8:54 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I believe the Book Safari is changing. It is supposed to be more flexible now. http://www.oreilly.com/news/new_safari_0902.html Jared Grabowy, Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/08/2002 01:04 PM Please respond to ORACLE-L To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:CodeNotes for Oracle9i... So every few months my Lookout reminder pops up to remind me to check out what new Oracle books have been released. I stumbled upon a new book called CodeNotes for Oracle9i on Amazon.com, but the interesting part is that it is available in eBook format. Here's the (probably broken) link... http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B6ISCN/qid=1034101493/ sr=1-25/ref=sr_1_25/104-5919725-7522346?v=glance The eBook version is $9.95 and the shipping is free (big grin), while the paperback is $13.97 plus shipping. Are you comfortable reading an eBook? You decide. At any rate, I will probably break down and buy the eBook. Not so much because the book is great (or not) but because I hope to send a message to publishers to publish more books in the eBook format, which is also why I posted this message. I know that O'Reilly has the Safari Bookshelf website, but I found it to be restrictive and pricey. BTW, if for some reason you are or will be using .Net, the CodeNotes eBook version is free... http://www.codenotes.com/do/downloads/downloadsNETbook -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Grabowy, Chris INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Grabowy, Chris INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: CodeNotes for Oracle9i...OT
Yes, that's 30 books a month -- up to 360 books a year. How often do you reference that Oracle DBA Handbook 7.3 Edition now? How many people can use your current book simultaneously? How many books are covered in coffee (or Jr's peanut butter sandwich)? Who borrowed the book and never brought it back? Just my Devil's Advocate... :) R2 Rich Jesse System/Database Administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quad/Tech International, Sussex, WI USA -Original Message- From: Grabowy, Chris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 10:34 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: CodeNotes for Oracle9i...OT It still seems to be restrictive and pricey to me. The 30 books-a-month at a one time yearly fee is $300. At the end of the year, what do you have? Another $300 bill for the next year. And how many books do you have access too, if you don't dish out another $300, ZERO. With bookpool.com, for $300 I can buy quite a few books, that I will still have after one year. Granted after 3 or 4 years those books will be retired, but they definitely paid for themselves. And if my site is slow to upgrade then I may keep my books for even longer...some sites are still running Oracle7. Additionally, paper books are great since you can highlight, mark, scribble notes, attach tabs to the page, etc. Obviously, if I work for a company that has deep pockets then they can pay the bill, but that doesn't appear to be the case today. I love Oreilly books, I just don't like the Safari Bookshelf website deal. This business model needs more work...perhaps they have snagged 9,999 customers, but if they dropped the prices and dropped the restrictions then they will get 999,999,999,999,999 customers. (stepping down from my soapbox, my apologies for my off-topic ranting and raving, thank God it's Friday) -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Jesse, Rich INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: CodeNotes for Oracle9i...OT
And 0 books at the end of year, if you don't renew. I always check my Oracle 3.1 book, just before I log in... Zero, I don't want anyone messing with my books. And developers don't touch my books because their full of coffee, and peanut butter AND jelly stains... So Rich when you sign up for Safari Bookshelf let me know your userid/password...thanks buddy. I'll take you out to lunch...someday. -Original Message- Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 12:34 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Yes, that's 30 books a month -- up to 360 books a year. How often do you reference that Oracle DBA Handbook 7.3 Edition now? How many people can use your current book simultaneously? How many books are covered in coffee (or Jr's peanut butter sandwich)? Who borrowed the book and never brought it back? Just my Devil's Advocate... :) R2 Rich Jesse System/Database Administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quad/Tech International, Sussex, WI USA -Original Message- From: Grabowy, Chris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 10:34 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: CodeNotes for Oracle9i...OT It still seems to be restrictive and pricey to me. The 30 books-a-month at a one time yearly fee is $300. At the end of the year, what do you have? Another $300 bill for the next year. And how many books do you have access too, if you don't dish out another $300, ZERO. With bookpool.com, for $300 I can buy quite a few books, that I will still have after one year. Granted after 3 or 4 years those books will be retired, but they definitely paid for themselves. And if my site is slow to upgrade then I may keep my books for even longer...some sites are still running Oracle7. Additionally, paper books are great since you can highlight, mark, scribble notes, attach tabs to the page, etc. Obviously, if I work for a company that has deep pockets then they can pay the bill, but that doesn't appear to be the case today. I love Oreilly books, I just don't like the Safari Bookshelf website deal. This business model needs more work...perhaps they have snagged 9,999 customers, but if they dropped the prices and dropped the restrictions then they will get 999,999,999,999,999 customers. (stepping down from my soapbox, my apologies for my off-topic ranting and raving, thank God it's Friday) -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Jesse, Rich INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Grabowy, Chris INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: CodeNotes for Oracle9i...
I believe the Book Safari is changing. It is supposed to be more flexible now. http://www.oreilly.com/news/new_safari_0902.html Jared Grabowy, Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/08/2002 01:04 PM Please respond to ORACLE-L To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:CodeNotes for Oracle9i... So every few months my Lookout reminder pops up to remind me to check out what new Oracle books have been released. I stumbled upon a new book called CodeNotes for Oracle9i on Amazon.com, but the interesting part is that it is available in eBook format. Here's the (probably broken) link... http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B6ISCN/qid=1034101493/sr=1-25/ref=sr_1_25/104-5919725-7522346?v=glance The eBook version is $9.95 and the shipping is free (big grin), while the paperback is $13.97 plus shipping. Are you comfortable reading an eBook? You decide. At any rate, I will probably break down and buy the eBook. Not so much because the book is great (or not) but because I hope to send a message to publishers to publish more books in the eBook format, which is also why I posted this message. I know that O'Reilly has the Safari Bookshelf website, but I found it to be restrictive and pricey. BTW, if for some reason you are or will be using .Net, the CodeNotes eBook version is free... http://www.codenotes.com/do/downloads/downloadsNETbook -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Grabowy, Chris INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
