RE: SPARC-III v Alpha
If the TPCs can be believed, I guess this would make a good ruler, too: http://www.top500.org/list/2002/06/ I don't even know what 3016 processors look like. ;) Rich Jesse System/Database Administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quad/Tech International, Sussex, WI USA > -Original Message- > From: Hemant K Chitale [mailto:hkchital@;singnet.com.sg] > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 7:34 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > Subject: Re: SPARC-III v Alpha > > > > Thanks for the link ! > > Hemant > > At 06:33 AM 28-10-02 -0800, you wrote: > >Hemant K Chitale wrote: > > > > > > Does anyone have benchmark or comparative figures for Sun > SPARC v Compaq > > > (thenewhp) Alpha > > > for Oracle Databases ? I found some benchmark figures > for Datawarehouses > > > at the > > > Oracle website but not for OLTP [then again, the machines > configured > > for those > > > benchmarks were extra-large machines !]. > > > > > > Hemant K Chitale > > > My web site page is : http://hkchital.tripod.com > > > > > > >Perhaps that > > > >http://www.tpc.org/tpcc/results/tpcc_results.asp?orderby=hardware > > > >can help ? > -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Jesse, Rich INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: SPARC-III v Alpha
As a Consultant in a previous life I had done installations and upgrades
on various *nixs. I did think that Alpha and HP PA-RISC were better
than SPARC.
In this current organisation [as an internal DBA], about 66% of the
larger databases are on Alpha and the rest on SPARC. Again, I get
the gut-feeling that Alpha is better.
Next week we'll be benchmarking a database that is going from Wintel
to either Alpha or SPARC. As an organisation, I think we are looking
at balancing between SPARC and Alpha so I will be seeing more
Sun servers running Oracle here. But there's no talk of HP PA-RISC
or Itanium yet !!
Regards
Hemant
At 07:28 AM 28-10-02 -0800, you wrote:
The whole point is a bit moot now that Alpha is a dead platform.
Compaq sold the Alpha technology to Intel. As far as HP's continued support
for Alpha, consider that HP is in a VERY competitive business; Unix makes up
only a small part of its bottom line; and it is currently sitting on three
Unix platforms: The old HP/UX boxes; the (supposed) new Itanium platform (so
they say, but I remain skeptical); and the Alpha platform that it inherited.
Even if Carly herself walked in and swore up and down that HP will continue
to support the Alpha, I would insist that there is no way HP is going to
commit resources to supporting three Unix platforms. Right now, I think HP
is busy holding its finger to the wind and actively consulting The Magic 8
Ball and a Ouija board to determine its future Unix direction.
We use Alpha here. I came to this shop from a predominantly Sun/Aix
environment. I can say that Compaq's handling of the Alpha/Tru64 platform
make it the only version of Unix that makes NT look good. My opinion is --
and this is just an opinion -- that any performance "enhancements" that were
achieved by the Compaq bunch were done so in the same way you would do it
with your PC: Overclock the bejeezus out of everything with the
accompanying reduction of stability and component life. I am convinced that
the latest Alpha technology is three year old tweaking of five year old
Alpha technology.
(Hope I didn't scuff up the soap box too much.)
And as long as I am at it here:
ps -eo args | nawk -F_ 'NF == 3 && /ora_smon_/ {print $3}'
> -Original Message-
> From: Hemant K Chitale [mailto:hkchital@;singnet.com.sg]
> Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 8:19 AM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> Subject: SPARC-III v Alpha
>
>
>
> Does anyone have benchmark or comparative figures for Sun
> SPARC v Compaq
> (thenewhp) Alpha
> for Oracle Databases ? I found some benchmark figures for
> Datawarehouses
> at the
> Oracle website but not for OLTP [then again, the machines
> configured for those
> benchmarks were extra-large machines !].
>
>
>
> Hemant K Chitale
> My web site page is : http://hkchital.tripod.com
>
>
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Re: SPARC-III v Alpha
Thanks for the link ! Hemant At 06:33 AM 28-10-02 -0800, you wrote: Hemant K Chitale wrote: > > Does anyone have benchmark or comparative figures for Sun SPARC v Compaq > (thenewhp) Alpha > for Oracle Databases ? I found some benchmark figures for Datawarehouses > at the > Oracle website but not for OLTP [then again, the machines configured for those > benchmarks were extra-large machines !]. > > Hemant K Chitale > My web site page is : http://hkchital.tripod.com > Perhaps that http://www.tpc.org/tpcc/results/tpcc_results.asp?orderby=hardware can help ? -- Regards, Stephane Faroult Oriole Software -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Stephane Faroult INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). Hemant K Chitale My web site page is : http://hkchital.tripod.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Hemant K Chitale INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: SPARC-III v Alpha
The whole point is a bit moot now that Alpha is a dead platform.
Compaq sold the Alpha technology to Intel. As far as HP's continued support
for Alpha, consider that HP is in a VERY competitive business; Unix makes up
only a small part of its bottom line; and it is currently sitting on three
Unix platforms: The old HP/UX boxes; the (supposed) new Itanium platform (so
they say, but I remain skeptical); and the Alpha platform that it inherited.
Even if Carly herself walked in and swore up and down that HP will continue
to support the Alpha, I would insist that there is no way HP is going to
commit resources to supporting three Unix platforms. Right now, I think HP
is busy holding its finger to the wind and actively consulting The Magic 8
Ball and a Ouija board to determine its future Unix direction.
We use Alpha here. I came to this shop from a predominantly Sun/Aix
environment. I can say that Compaq's handling of the Alpha/Tru64 platform
make it the only version of Unix that makes NT look good. My opinion is --
and this is just an opinion -- that any performance "enhancements" that were
achieved by the Compaq bunch were done so in the same way you would do it
with your PC: Overclock the bejeezus out of everything with the
accompanying reduction of stability and component life. I am convinced that
the latest Alpha technology is three year old tweaking of five year old
Alpha technology.
(Hope I didn't scuff up the soap box too much.)
And as long as I am at it here:
ps -eo args | nawk -F_ 'NF == 3 && /ora_smon_/ {print $3}'
> -Original Message-
> From: Hemant K Chitale [mailto:hkchital@;singnet.com.sg]
> Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 8:19 AM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> Subject: SPARC-III v Alpha
>
>
>
> Does anyone have benchmark or comparative figures for Sun
> SPARC v Compaq
> (thenewhp) Alpha
> for Oracle Databases ? I found some benchmark figures for
> Datawarehouses
> at the
> Oracle website but not for OLTP [then again, the machines
> configured for those
> benchmarks were extra-large machines !].
>
>
>
> Hemant K Chitale
> My web site page is : http://hkchital.tripod.com
>
>
> --
> Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com
> --
> Author: Hemant K Chitale
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Re: SPARC-III v Alpha
Hemant K Chitale wrote: > > Does anyone have benchmark or comparative figures for Sun SPARC v Compaq > (thenewhp) Alpha > for Oracle Databases ? I found some benchmark figures for Datawarehouses > at the > Oracle website but not for OLTP [then again, the machines configured for those > benchmarks were extra-large machines !]. > > Hemant K Chitale > My web site page is : http://hkchital.tripod.com > Perhaps that http://www.tpc.org/tpcc/results/tpcc_results.asp?orderby=hardware can help ? -- Regards, Stephane Faroult Oriole Software -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Stephane Faroult INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
