Re[2]: RE: RE: dumping microsoft desktop?
Ray, Sometimes humor is the best medecine when one feels powerless. I for one would love to dump this M$ desktop infavor of a Lindows or Linux desktop. But we all have to suffer with the lack of applications that support those platforms. Hopefully in a couple of years, now that Lindows is actually releasing a product, that may change & I'll love it. Dick Goulet Reply Separator Author: Ray Stell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: 11/15/2002 8:59 AM On Fri, Nov 15, 2002 at 05:59:06AM -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > OH, talk about cruel and unusual punishment!! For the fish that is. It is interesting that so many people feel this way and yet the topic is reduced to joking, as if it is not possible (or really desirable) to replace technology. MVS systems programmers couldn't envision life without an IBM mainframe a few years ago. I asked the desktop question because we are exploring this path due to huge budget issues and the million dollar invoice to M$ is due. I wanted to see if the Oracle world had anything going on the topic. Guess not. Star and Open Office advances seem to be milestones in this arena. I believe we will move some % of our admin desktops to linux this year as a pilot. Departments can't afford the price of upgrading their office software, they will try the open versions to see what happens. Interesting bullets: The EU is studying the conversion of member goverment desktops: www.globetechnology.com/servlet/ArticleNews/einsider/RTGAM/20021104/gtopenms/ein sider/ The European Union awarded on Thursday a $249,000 (U.S.) contract to U.K.-based system-integrator Netproject to study the feasibility of moving the information systems of several member countries' governments to the Linux operating system from Microsoft's Windows OS. www.netproject.co.uk/opendesktop.html "The USA National Security Agency's white paper 'The Inevitability of Failure: The Flawed Assumption of Security in Modern Computing Environments' should be read by all who are concernd with achieving secure systems that enable e-business. This is at www.nsa.gov/selinux/inevit-abs.html." ...waiting for the 9.2.0.2 patch to finish on my Mandrake 9 desktop (see, it's not off topic! ;) > Dick Goulet > > Reply Separator > Author: "Gogala; Mladen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 11/14/2002 1:38 PM > > Well, once upon a time there was an event called Boston Tea Party > which dealt with too expensive product of low quality delivered by > a monopoly. I wonder whether we can expect Seattle Windows Party? > Would that be too cruel to the fish in Seattle harbor? > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:dgoulet@;vicr.com] > > Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 3:44 PM > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > Subject: Re:RE: dumping microsoft desktop? > > > > > > David, > > > > Just like beauty, winning or loosing in a lawsuit is in > > the eye of the > > beholder. Actually in MicroSlop's case it was the justice > > department that > > bailed and more than likely King George who sat on the judge. > > You got to love > > those political action committees and their BIG donors!! In > > politics money > > talks louder than anything else. > > > > Dick Goulet > > > > Reply Separator > > Author: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Date: 11/14/2002 12:15 PM > > > > > > > Both answers a are expected to be "No". The lawsuit is > > > expected to be dropped. But who knows. They won > > > antitrust case after all. > > > > > > Nick > > > > > > > I know it *seems* like they won, but Microsoft actually lost > > the antitrust > > case. :-( > > > > Dave > > -- > > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com > > -- > > Author: > > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > > San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services > > - > > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > > also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). > > -- > > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com > > -- > > Author: > > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > > San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services > > - > > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > > the message BODY, include a lin
Re: RE: RE: dumping microsoft desktop?
On Fri, Nov 15, 2002 at 05:59:06AM -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > OH, talk about cruel and unusual punishment!! For the fish that is. It is interesting that so many people feel this way and yet the topic is reduced to joking, as if it is not possible (or really desirable) to replace technology. MVS systems programmers couldn't envision life without an IBM mainframe a few years ago. I asked the desktop question because we are exploring this path due to huge budget issues and the million dollar invoice to M$ is due. I wanted to see if the Oracle world had anything going on the topic. Guess not. Star and Open Office advances seem to be milestones in this arena. I believe we will move some % of our admin desktops to linux this year as a pilot. Departments can't afford the price of upgrading their office software, they will try the open versions to see what happens. Interesting bullets: The EU is studying the conversion of member goverment desktops: www.globetechnology.com/servlet/ArticleNews/einsider/RTGAM/20021104/gtopenms/einsider/ The European Union awarded on Thursday a $249,000 (U.S.) contract to U.K.-based system-integrator Netproject to study the feasibility of moving the information systems of several member countries' governments to the Linux operating system from Microsoft's Windows OS. www.netproject.co.uk/opendesktop.html "The USA National Security Agency's white paper 'The Inevitability of Failure: The Flawed Assumption of Security in Modern Computing Environments' should be read by all who are concernd with achieving secure systems that enable e-business. This is at www.nsa.gov/selinux/inevit-abs.html." ...waiting for the 9.2.0.2 patch to finish on my Mandrake 9 desktop (see, it's not off topic! ;) > Dick Goulet > > Reply Separator > Author: "Gogala; Mladen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 11/14/2002 1:38 PM > > Well, once upon a time there was an event called Boston Tea Party > which dealt with too expensive product of low quality delivered by > a monopoly. I wonder whether we can expect Seattle Windows Party? > Would that be too cruel to the fish in Seattle harbor? > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:dgoulet@;vicr.com] > > Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 3:44 PM > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > Subject: Re:RE: dumping microsoft desktop? > > > > > > David, > > > > Just like beauty, winning or loosing in a lawsuit is in > > the eye of the > > beholder. Actually in MicroSlop's case it was the justice > > department that > > bailed and more than likely King George who sat on the judge. > > You got to love > > those political action committees and their BIG donors!! In > > politics money > > talks louder than anything else. > > > > Dick Goulet > > > > Reply Separator > > Author: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Date: 11/14/2002 12:15 PM > > > > > > > Both answers a are expected to be "No". The lawsuit is > > > expected to be dropped. But who knows. They won > > > antitrust case after all. > > > > > > Nick > > > > > > > I know it *seems* like they won, but Microsoft actually lost > > the antitrust > > case. :-( > > > > Dave > > -- > > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com > > -- > > Author: > > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > > San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services > > - > > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > > also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). > > -- > > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com > > -- > > Author: > > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > > San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services > > - > > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > > also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). > > > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com > -- > Author: Gogala, Mladen > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services >
RE: RE: dumping microsoft desktop?
David - I really hope you succeed. I feel the key is your users. As an I.S. person the differences between genuine Microsoft and these knock-offs may seem small compared to the benefits. However, if this isn't carefully explained to the users, they can easily revolt against what they view as company cheapness. Find a cooperative user and pilot the substitute with them, and carefully note any differences they notice. Good luck and let us know what lessons you learn. Dennis Williams DBA, 40%OCP Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- [mailto:David.Schmoldt@;gazettecommunications.com] Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 5:40 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L We just received a request from our CEO to do research on using Open Office or Star Office as an alternative to Microsoft Office for our non-power users. So maybe there is an ultimate justice that can't be bought out or voted in (like the anti-trust case). > -Original Message- > From: Gogala, Mladen [mailto:MGogala@;oxhp.com] > Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 3:39 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > Subject: RE: RE: dumping microsoft desktop? > > > Well, once upon a time there was an event called Boston Tea Party > which dealt with too expensive product of low quality delivered by > a monopoly. I wonder whether we can expect Seattle Windows Party? > Would that be too cruel to the fish in Seattle harbor? > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:dgoulet@;vicr.com] > > Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 3:44 PM > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > Subject: Re:RE: dumping microsoft desktop? > > > > > > David, > > > > Just like beauty, winning or loosing in a lawsuit is in > > the eye of the > > beholder. Actually in MicroSlop's case it was the justice > > department that > > bailed and more than likely King George who sat on the judge. > > You got to love > > those political action committees and their BIG donors!! In > > politics money > > talks louder than anything else. > > > > Dick Goulet > > > > Reply Separator > > Author: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Date: 11/14/2002 12:15 PM > > > > > > > Both answers a are expected to be "No". The lawsuit is > > > expected to be dropped. But who knows. They won > > > antitrust case after all. > > > > > > Nick > > > > > > > I know it *seems* like they won, but Microsoft actually lost > > the antitrust > > case. :-( > > > > Dave > > -- > > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com > > -- > > Author: > > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > > San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web > hosting services > > > - > > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > > also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). > > -- > > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com > > -- > > Author: > > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > > San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web > hosting services > > > - > > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > > also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). > > > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com > -- > Author: Gogala, Mladen > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services > - > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > the message BODY, include
RE: RE: dumping microsoft desktop?
Title: RE: RE: dumping microsoft desktop? Mladen, Actually the Boston Tea Party happened for the opposite reason. The tea on the ships was of LOWER price because it was not taxed. The 'patriots' owned tons of tea stored in warehouses that they could only sell at a profit with higher prices than what was on the ship. So they destroyed the competition's tea. As Samuel Johnson said "Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel." They wrapped patriotism around their actions and history bought off on it. http://odur.let.rug.nl/~usa/E/teaparty/bostonxx.htm Jerry Whittle ACIFICS DBA NCI Information Systems Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 618-622-4145 -Original Message- From: Gogala, Mladen [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Well, once upon a time there was an event called Boston Tea Party which dealt with too expensive product of low quality delivered by a monopoly. I wonder whether we can expect Seattle Windows Party? Would that be too cruel to the fish in Seattle harbor?
Re:RE: RE: dumping microsoft desktop?
OH, talk about cruel and unusual punishment!! For the fish that is. Dick Goulet Reply Separator Author: "Gogala; Mladen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: 11/14/2002 1:38 PM Well, once upon a time there was an event called Boston Tea Party which dealt with too expensive product of low quality delivered by a monopoly. I wonder whether we can expect Seattle Windows Party? Would that be too cruel to the fish in Seattle harbor? > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:dgoulet@;vicr.com] > Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 3:44 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > Subject: Re:RE: dumping microsoft desktop? > > > David, > > Just like beauty, winning or loosing in a lawsuit is in > the eye of the > beholder. Actually in MicroSlop's case it was the justice > department that > bailed and more than likely King George who sat on the judge. > You got to love > those political action committees and their BIG donors!! In > politics money > talks louder than anything else. > > Dick Goulet > > Reply Separator > Author: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Date: 11/14/2002 12:15 PM > > > > Both answers a are expected to be "No". The lawsuit is > > expected to be dropped. But who knows. They won > > antitrust case after all. > > > > Nick > > > > I know it *seems* like they won, but Microsoft actually lost > the antitrust > case. :-( > > Dave > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com > -- > Author: > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services > - > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com > -- > Author: > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services > - > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). > -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Gogala, Mladen INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: RE: dumping microsoft desktop?
We just received a request from our CEO to do research on using Open Office or Star Office as an alternative to Microsoft Office for our non-power users. So maybe there is an ultimate justice that can't be bought out or voted in (like the anti-trust case). > -Original Message- > From: Gogala, Mladen [mailto:MGogala@;oxhp.com] > Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 3:39 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > Subject: RE: RE: dumping microsoft desktop? > > > Well, once upon a time there was an event called Boston Tea Party > which dealt with too expensive product of low quality delivered by > a monopoly. I wonder whether we can expect Seattle Windows Party? > Would that be too cruel to the fish in Seattle harbor? > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:dgoulet@;vicr.com] > > Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 3:44 PM > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > Subject: Re:RE: dumping microsoft desktop? > > > > > > David, > > > > Just like beauty, winning or loosing in a lawsuit is in > > the eye of the > > beholder. Actually in MicroSlop's case it was the justice > > department that > > bailed and more than likely King George who sat on the judge. > > You got to love > > those political action committees and their BIG donors!! In > > politics money > > talks louder than anything else. > > > > Dick Goulet > > > > Reply Separator > > Author: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Date: 11/14/2002 12:15 PM > > > > > > > Both answers a are expected to be "No". The lawsuit is > > > expected to be dropped. But who knows. They won > > > antitrust case after all. > > > > > > Nick > > > > > > > I know it *seems* like they won, but Microsoft actually lost > > the antitrust > > case. :-( > > > > Dave > > -- > > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com > > -- > > Author: > > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > > San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web > hosting services > > > - > > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > > also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). > > -- > > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com > > -- > > Author: > > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > > San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web > hosting services > > > - > > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > > also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). > > > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com > -- > Author: Gogala, Mladen > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services > - > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). > -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: RE: dumping microsoft desktop?
Well, once upon a time there was an event called Boston Tea Party which dealt with too expensive product of low quality delivered by a monopoly. I wonder whether we can expect Seattle Windows Party? Would that be too cruel to the fish in Seattle harbor? > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:dgoulet@;vicr.com] > Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 3:44 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > Subject: Re:RE: dumping microsoft desktop? > > > David, > > Just like beauty, winning or loosing in a lawsuit is in > the eye of the > beholder. Actually in MicroSlop's case it was the justice > department that > bailed and more than likely King George who sat on the judge. > You got to love > those political action committees and their BIG donors!! In > politics money > talks louder than anything else. > > Dick Goulet > > Reply Separator > Author: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Date: 11/14/2002 12:15 PM > > > > Both answers a are expected to be "No". The lawsuit is > > expected to be dropped. But who knows. They won > > antitrust case after all. > > > > Nick > > > > I know it *seems* like they won, but Microsoft actually lost > the antitrust > case. :-( > > Dave > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com > -- > Author: > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services > - > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com > -- > Author: > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services > - > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). > -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Gogala, Mladen INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: dumping microsoft desktop?
Yes. They are, legally, a monopoly. Government has already apologized for all the nuisance that has created for Microsoft and promised to bring rebellious PC dealers to their senses by using special forces, if necessary. > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:David.Schmoldt@;gazettecommunications.com] > Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 3:15 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > Subject: RE: dumping microsoft desktop? > > > > > Both answers a are expected to be "No". The lawsuit is > > expected to be dropped. But who knows. They won > > antitrust case after all. > > > > Nick > > > > I know it *seems* like they won, but Microsoft actually lost > the antitrust > case. :-( > > Dave > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com > -- > Author: > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services > - > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). > -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Gogala, Mladen INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: dumping microsoft desktop?
> Both answers a are expected to be "No". The lawsuit is > expected to be dropped. But who knows. They won > antitrust case after all. > > Nick > I know it *seems* like they won, but Microsoft actually lost the antitrust case. :-( Dave -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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Old news Gene. MS lost the lawsuit. Jared On Tuesday 12 November 2002 11:57, Gene Sais wrote: > Not here but looking into http://www.lindows.com on a personal nature. > Also read MS is suing them, not sure how much longer they will be around. > > >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/12/02 02:03PM >>> > > Has anyone ever gone with linux desktop support? I don't mean > for geeks, I mean at an enterprise level? > === > Ray Stell [EMAIL PROTECTED] (540) 231-4109 KE4TJC28^D -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Jared Still INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: dumping microsoft desktop?
> The suit was over their derivative use of the phrase Windows. Seems > Microsoft thinks only they can use the word. > > I seem to recall the suit was thrown out, but I could be wrong. > The last I heared from this case is judge ordering to investigate whether "window" is still a ditinctive word in computer industry as oposed to carpentry carpentry where it is descriptive; and whether "Windows" trademark is still valid in computer industry context. Both answers a are expected to be "No". The lawsuit is expected to be dropped. But who knows. They won antitrust case after all. Nick -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Nicolai Tufar INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: dumping microsoft desktop?
The suit was over their derivative use of the phrase Windows. Seems Microsoft thinks only they can use the word. I seem to recall the suit was thrown out, but I could be wrong. Dave > -Original Message- > From: Boivin, Patrice J [mailto:BoivinP@;mar.dfo-mpo.gc.ca] > Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 2:39 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > Subject: RE: dumping microsoft desktop? > > > That would be OS distributed with PCs by Wal-Mart in Australia... > > I didn't know they were being sued by MS, though. > > Pat. > > -Original Message- > Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 3:58 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: dumping microsoft desktop?
That would be OS distributed with PCs by Wal-Mart in Australia... I didn't know they were being sued by MS, though. Pat. -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 3:58 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Not here but looking into http://www.lindows.com on a personal nature. Also read MS is suing them, not sure how much longer they will be around. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: dumping microsoft desktop?
The EU is considering it... I am not sure what desktop there is for LINUX though, whether any of them compare to MS Office in terms of features, ease of use, etc. http://www.globetechnology.com/servlet/ArticleNews/einsider/RTGAM/20021104/g topenms/einsider// Regards, Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 3:04 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Has anyone ever gone with linux desktop support? I don't mean for geeks, I mean at an enterprise level? === Ray Stell [EMAIL PROTECTED] (540) 231-4109 KE4TJC28^D -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Ray Stell INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: dumping microsoft desktop?
Not here but looking into http://www.lindows.com on a personal nature. Also read MS is suing them, not sure how much longer they will be around. >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/12/02 02:03PM >>> Has anyone ever gone with linux desktop support? I don't mean for geeks, I mean at an enterprise level? === Ray Stell [EMAIL PROTECTED] (540) 231-4109 KE4TJC28^D -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Ray Stell INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Gene Sais INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: dumping microsoft desktop?
Who you calling geeks?? ;o) -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 1:04 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Has anyone ever gone with linux desktop support? I don't mean for geeks, I mean at an enterprise level? === Ray Stell [EMAIL PROTECTED] (540) 231-4109 KE4TJC28^D -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Ray Stell INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Farnsworth, Dave INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
