Re: RE: RE: Oracle Press OCP exam guide frustrations
Jp, No idea as never used. Pretty much happy with STS so far. Regards Rafiq Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 21:09:44 -0800 Rafiq, How about Boson Practice tests compared to STS ? has anyone on this list found Boson useful ? Jp. 17-09-2003 13:34:36, Caffrey, Melanie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is most likely the reason Oracle has now made it a requirement. Otherwise, who would ever take a course? -Original Message- From: M Rafiq [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tue 9/16/2003 11:54 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Cc: Subject: RE: RE: Oracle Press OCP exam guide frustrations Not really, most of DBA on this list did their OCP without any Oracle formal training. Use your experience on that version, study relevant material or available books/docs, do practice of STS test questions and then you are pretty much ready for exam. I did my OCP from 7. to 9i without attending and formal course and passed in first attempt Regards Rafiq -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Prem Khanna J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). _ Express yourself with MSN Messenger 6.0 -- download now! http://www.msnmessenger-download.com/tracking/reach_general -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: M Rafiq INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: RE: Oracle Press OCP exam guide frustrations
Melanie The story I got from an Oracle instructor was that somebody was bragging about how they passed the OCP without ever logging into Oracle. I guess this caused some consternation in Redwood Shores. The quickest fix was to require everyone to take one class. When I asked the instructor if that meant that all instructors were to ensure that each student logged into Oracle, he just smiled. Dennis Williams DBA, 80%OCP, 100% DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 11:35 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L This is most likely the reason Oracle has now made it a requirement. Otherwise, who would ever take a course? -Original Message- From: M Rafiq [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tue 9/16/2003 11:54 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Cc: Subject: RE: RE: Oracle Press OCP exam guide frustrations Not really, most of DBA on this list did their OCP without any Oracle formal training. Use your experience on that version, study relevant material or available books/docs, do practice of STS test questions and then you are pretty much ready for exam. I did my OCP from 7. to 9i without attending and formal course and passed in first attempt Regards Rafiq Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 19:04:40 -0800 Does anyone other than Oracle truely believe that a course is necessary if you can pass the exam? -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, 17 September 2003 8:50 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L One may as well get used to putting forth some extra expenditure when getting certified now. The publisher, Coriolis, went under. And now Oracle is requiring that you complete at least one of their prep courses (irrespective of whether you believe you need it or not) in order to become OCP-certified for 9i. -Original Message- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 11:00 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L they are not outstanding. they are ok? They are also expensive. I have found the Coriolis books to be better than the Osborne books in quality. They dont have 9i ones. you can get the 8.0/8i ones for $9/each at maryland-merchant.com Im using those myself, then the docs. I didnt like the osborne books. From: Rajesh Dayal [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2003/09/16 Tue AM 10:09:24 EDT To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Oracle Press OCP exam guide frustrations Try out self study materials from http://www.selftestsoftware.com they are simply outstanding. I have always found them helpful for all my exams. But at same time I never totally rely on them, I first complete my ground work with standard syllabus (available on Oracle OCP site) and Oracle Documentation then only I Open them ;-). HTH, Rajesh Dayal Senior Oracle DBA (OCP 8,8i,9i) International Information Technology Company LLC -Original Message- Sent:Tuesday, September 16, 2003 2:14 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Fwd: Oracle Press OCP exam guide frustrations All, I just purchased a Oracle9i Fundamentals I exam guide published by Oracle Press and am very disappointed with the quality of the publication. There seems to be quite a few mistakes, misleading sentences and typos (not in the Errata) which is very frustrating. Also, there is a question in the Managing Tablespaces and Datafiles chapter that replies on the order of the multiple-choices, however the quiz software randomises the choices so the question no longer makes sense - and is impossible to answer as presented. For those that have completed the OCP exam, is this what I am to expect? Does anyone know of any other resources I might be able to use? How are the OCP exam guides published by Sybex? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Regards, Craig. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http
RE: RE: Oracle Press OCP exam guide frustrations
Dennis, Thank you for this. BTW, I like your signature. :-) I think it sums up quite a number of us. Best regards, Melanie -Original Message- DENNIS WILLIAMS Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 10:45 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Melanie The story I got from an Oracle instructor was that somebody was bragging about how they passed the OCP without ever logging into Oracle. I guess this caused some consternation in Redwood Shores. The quickest fix was to require everyone to take one class. When I asked the instructor if that meant that all instructors were to ensure that each student logged into Oracle, he just smiled. Dennis Williams DBA, 80%OCP, 100% DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 11:35 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L This is most likely the reason Oracle has now made it a requirement. Otherwise, who would ever take a course? -Original Message- From: M Rafiq [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tue 9/16/2003 11:54 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Cc: Subject: RE: RE: Oracle Press OCP exam guide frustrations Not really, most of DBA on this list did their OCP without any Oracle formal training. Use your experience on that version, study relevant material or available books/docs, do practice of STS test questions and then you are pretty much ready for exam. I did my OCP from 7. to 9i without attending and formal course and passed in first attempt Regards Rafiq Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 19:04:40 -0800 Does anyone other than Oracle truely believe that a course is necessary if you can pass the exam? -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, 17 September 2003 8:50 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L One may as well get used to putting forth some extra expenditure when getting certified now. The publisher, Coriolis, went under. And now Oracle is requiring that you complete at least one of their prep courses (irrespective of whether you believe you need it or not) in order to become OCP-certified for 9i. -Original Message- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 11:00 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L they are not outstanding. they are ok? They are also expensive. I have found the Coriolis books to be better than the Osborne books in quality. They dont have 9i ones. you can get the 8.0/8i ones for $9/each at maryland-merchant.com Im using those myself, then the docs. I didnt like the osborne books. From: Rajesh Dayal [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2003/09/16 Tue AM 10:09:24 EDT To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Oracle Press OCP exam guide frustrations Try out self study materials from http://www.selftestsoftware.com they are simply outstanding. I have always found them helpful for all my exams. But at same time I never totally rely on them, I first complete my ground work with standard syllabus (available on Oracle OCP site) and Oracle Documentation then only I Open them ;-). HTH, Rajesh Dayal Senior Oracle DBA (OCP 8,8i,9i) International Information Technology Company LLC -Original Message- Sent:Tuesday, September 16, 2003 2:14 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Fwd: Oracle Press OCP exam guide frustrations All, I just purchased a Oracle9i Fundamentals I exam guide published by Oracle Press and am very disappointed with the quality of the publication. There seems to be quite a few mistakes, misleading sentences and typos (not in the Errata) which is very frustrating. Also, there is a question in the Managing Tablespaces and Datafiles chapter that replies on the order of the multiple-choices, however the quiz software randomises the choices so the question no longer makes sense - and is impossible to answer as presented. For those that have completed the OCP exam, is this what I am to expect? Does anyone know of any other resources I might be able to use? How
Re: RE: Oracle Press OCP exam guide frustrations
they are not outstanding. they are ok? They are also expensive. I have found the Coriolis books to be better than the Osborne books in quality. They dont have 9i ones. you can get the 8.0/8i ones for $9/each at maryland-merchant.com Im using those myself, then the docs. I didnt like the osborne books. From: Rajesh Dayal [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2003/09/16 Tue AM 10:09:24 EDT To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Oracle Press OCP exam guide frustrations Try out self study materials from http://www.selftestsoftware.com they are simply outstanding. I have always found them helpful for all my exams. But at same time I never totally rely on them, I first complete my ground work with standard syllabus (available on Oracle OCP site) and Oracle Documentation then only I Open them ;-). HTH, Rajesh Dayal Senior Oracle DBA (OCP 8,8i,9i) International Information Technology Company LLC -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 2:14 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Fwd: Oracle Press OCP exam guide frustrations All, I just purchased a Oracle9i Fundamentals I exam guide published by Oracle Press and am very disappointed with the quality of the publication. There seems to be quite a few mistakes, misleading sentences and typos (not in the Errata) which is very frustrating. Also, there is a question in the Managing Tablespaces and Datafiles chapter that replies on the order of the multiple-choices, however the quiz software randomises the choices so the question no longer makes sense - and is impossible to answer as presented. For those that have completed the OCP exam, is this what I am to expect? Does anyone know of any other resources I might be able to use? How are the OCP exam guides published by Sybex? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Regards, Craig. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Craig Munday INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Rajesh Dayal INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: [EMAIL PROTECTED] INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: RE: Oracle Press OCP exam guide frustrations
One may as well get used to putting forth some extra expenditure when getting certified now. The publisher, Coriolis, went under. And now Oracle is requiring that you complete at least one of their prep courses (irrespective of whether you believe you need it or not) in order to become OCP-certified for 9i. -Original Message- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 11:00 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L they are not outstanding. they are ok? They are also expensive. I have found the Coriolis books to be better than the Osborne books in quality. They dont have 9i ones. you can get the 8.0/8i ones for $9/each at maryland-merchant.com Im using those myself, then the docs. I didnt like the osborne books. From: Rajesh Dayal [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2003/09/16 Tue AM 10:09:24 EDT To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Oracle Press OCP exam guide frustrations Try out self study materials from http://www.selftestsoftware.com they are simply outstanding. I have always found them helpful for all my exams. But at same time I never totally rely on them, I first complete my ground work with standard syllabus (available on Oracle OCP site) and Oracle Documentation then only I Open them ;-). HTH, Rajesh Dayal Senior Oracle DBA (OCP 8,8i,9i) International Information Technology Company LLC -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 2:14 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Fwd: Oracle Press OCP exam guide frustrations All, I just purchased a Oracle9i Fundamentals I exam guide published by Oracle Press and am very disappointed with the quality of the publication. There seems to be quite a few mistakes, misleading sentences and typos (not in the Errata) which is very frustrating. Also, there is a question in the Managing Tablespaces and Datafiles chapter that replies on the order of the multiple-choices, however the quiz software randomises the choices so the question no longer makes sense - and is impossible to answer as presented. For those that have completed the OCP exam, is this what I am to expect? Does anyone know of any other resources I might be able to use? How are the OCP exam guides published by Sybex? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Regards, Craig. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Craig Munday INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Rajesh Dayal INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: [EMAIL PROTECTED] INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Melanie Caffrey INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other
Re: RE: Oracle Press OCP exam guide frustrations
you can do the 8i cert and upgrade without paying for the course. - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 6:49 PM One may as well get used to putting forth some extra expenditure when getting certified now. The publisher, Coriolis, went under. And now Oracle is requiring that you complete at least one of their prep courses (irrespective of whether you believe you need it or not) in order to become OCP-certified for 9i. -Original Message- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 11:00 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L they are not outstanding. they are ok? They are also expensive. I have found the Coriolis books to be better than the Osborne books in quality. They dont have 9i ones. you can get the 8.0/8i ones for $9/each at maryland-merchant.com Im using those myself, then the docs. I didnt like the osborne books. From: Rajesh Dayal [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2003/09/16 Tue AM 10:09:24 EDT To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Oracle Press OCP exam guide frustrations Try out self study materials from http://www.selftestsoftware.com they are simply outstanding. I have always found them helpful for all my exams. But at same time I never totally rely on them, I first complete my ground work with standard syllabus (available on Oracle OCP site) and Oracle Documentation then only I Open them ;-). HTH, Rajesh Dayal Senior Oracle DBA (OCP 8,8i,9i) International Information Technology Company LLC -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 2:14 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Fwd: Oracle Press OCP exam guide frustrations All, I just purchased a Oracle9i Fundamentals I exam guide published by Oracle Press and am very disappointed with the quality of the publication. There seems to be quite a few mistakes, misleading sentences and typos (not in the Errata) which is very frustrating. Also, there is a question in the Managing Tablespaces and Datafiles chapter that replies on the order of the multiple-choices, however the quiz software randomises the choices so the question no longer makes sense - and is impossible to answer as presented. For those that have completed the OCP exam, is this what I am to expect? Does anyone know of any other resources I might be able to use? How are the OCP exam guides published by Sybex? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Regards, Craig. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Craig Munday INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Rajesh Dayal INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: [EMAIL PROTECTED] INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Melanie Caffrey INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services
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True. You can save yourself $115 if you do it this way. 8i cert + upgrade - $750 9i cert (with required class, using Self-Study CD-ROM) - $865 It's up to you ... -Original Message- Ryan Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 7:15 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L you can do the 8i cert and upgrade without paying for the course. - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 6:49 PM One may as well get used to putting forth some extra expenditure when getting certified now. The publisher, Coriolis, went under. And now Oracle is requiring that you complete at least one of their prep courses (irrespective of whether you believe you need it or not) in order to become OCP-certified for 9i. -Original Message- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 11:00 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L they are not outstanding. they are ok? They are also expensive. I have found the Coriolis books to be better than the Osborne books in quality. They dont have 9i ones. you can get the 8.0/8i ones for $9/each at maryland-merchant.com Im using those myself, then the docs. I didnt like the osborne books. From: Rajesh Dayal [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2003/09/16 Tue AM 10:09:24 EDT To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Oracle Press OCP exam guide frustrations Try out self study materials from http://www.selftestsoftware.com they are simply outstanding. I have always found them helpful for all my exams. But at same time I never totally rely on them, I first complete my ground work with standard syllabus (available on Oracle OCP site) and Oracle Documentation then only I Open them ;-). HTH, Rajesh Dayal Senior Oracle DBA (OCP 8,8i,9i) International Information Technology Company LLC -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 2:14 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Fwd: Oracle Press OCP exam guide frustrations All, I just purchased a Oracle9i Fundamentals I exam guide published by Oracle Press and am very disappointed with the quality of the publication. There seems to be quite a few mistakes, misleading sentences and typos (not in the Errata) which is very frustrating. Also, there is a question in the Managing Tablespaces and Datafiles chapter that replies on the order of the multiple-choices, however the quiz software randomises the choices so the question no longer makes sense - and is impossible to answer as presented. For those that have completed the OCP exam, is this what I am to expect? Does anyone know of any other resources I might be able to use? How are the OCP exam guides published by Sybex? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Regards, Craig. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Craig Munday INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Rajesh Dayal INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: [EMAIL PROTECTED] INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the
Re: RE: Oracle Press OCP exam guide frustrations
all you have to do is buy the self study CD? are you sure? I thought you had to get a class? which are atleast $1500 online? - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 7:39 PM True. You can save yourself $115 if you do it this way. 8i cert + upgrade - $750 9i cert (with required class, using Self-Study CD-ROM) - $865 It's up to you ... -Original Message- Ryan Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 7:15 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L you can do the 8i cert and upgrade without paying for the course. - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 6:49 PM One may as well get used to putting forth some extra expenditure when getting certified now. The publisher, Coriolis, went under. And now Oracle is requiring that you complete at least one of their prep courses (irrespective of whether you believe you need it or not) in order to become OCP-certified for 9i. -Original Message- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 11:00 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L they are not outstanding. they are ok? They are also expensive. I have found the Coriolis books to be better than the Osborne books in quality. They dont have 9i ones. you can get the 8.0/8i ones for $9/each at maryland-merchant.com Im using those myself, then the docs. I didnt like the osborne books. From: Rajesh Dayal [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2003/09/16 Tue AM 10:09:24 EDT To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Oracle Press OCP exam guide frustrations Try out self study materials from http://www.selftestsoftware.com they are simply outstanding. I have always found them helpful for all my exams. But at same time I never totally rely on them, I first complete my ground work with standard syllabus (available on Oracle OCP site) and Oracle Documentation then only I Open them ;-). HTH, Rajesh Dayal Senior Oracle DBA (OCP 8,8i,9i) International Information Technology Company LLC -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 2:14 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Fwd: Oracle Press OCP exam guide frustrations All, I just purchased a Oracle9i Fundamentals I exam guide published by Oracle Press and am very disappointed with the quality of the publication. There seems to be quite a few mistakes, misleading sentences and typos (not in the Errata) which is very frustrating. Also, there is a question in the Managing Tablespaces and Datafiles chapter that replies on the order of the multiple-choices, however the quiz software randomises the choices so the question no longer makes sense - and is impossible to answer as presented. For those that have completed the OCP exam, is this what I am to expect? Does anyone know of any other resources I might be able to use? How are the OCP exam guides published by Sybex? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Regards, Craig. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Craig Munday INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Rajesh Dayal INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: [EMAIL PROTECTED] INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To
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Well, if you take the Introduction to Oracle9i: SQL course. (BTW, I was wrong about the price differential - I was looking at the wrong CD - the price differential is actually $200, not $115, sorry about that) so that ups the original figure I wrote from $865 to $950. Still not bad, though, depending on how you look at it. The trick is you have to find a course that offers the self study CD. Not all of the courses do. And the online instructor-led courses (at least some of them) are actually $1250 (a tiny bit less than $1500, but still a huge cost). -Original Message- Ryan Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 8:05 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L all you have to do is buy the self study CD? are you sure? I thought you had to get a class? which are atleast $1500 online? - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 7:39 PM True. You can save yourself $115 if you do it this way. 8i cert + upgrade - $750 9i cert (with required class, using Self-Study CD-ROM) - $865 It's up to you ... -Original Message- Ryan Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 7:15 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L you can do the 8i cert and upgrade without paying for the course. - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 6:49 PM One may as well get used to putting forth some extra expenditure when getting certified now. The publisher, Coriolis, went under. And now Oracle is requiring that you complete at least one of their prep courses (irrespective of whether you believe you need it or not) in order to become OCP-certified for 9i. -Original Message- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 11:00 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L they are not outstanding. they are ok? They are also expensive. I have found the Coriolis books to be better than the Osborne books in quality. They dont have 9i ones. you can get the 8.0/8i ones for $9/each at maryland-merchant.com Im using those myself, then the docs. I didnt like the osborne books. From: Rajesh Dayal [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2003/09/16 Tue AM 10:09:24 EDT To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Oracle Press OCP exam guide frustrations Try out self study materials from http://www.selftestsoftware.com they are simply outstanding. I have always found them helpful for all my exams. But at same time I never totally rely on them, I first complete my ground work with standard syllabus (available on Oracle OCP site) and Oracle Documentation then only I Open them ;-). HTH, Rajesh Dayal Senior Oracle DBA (OCP 8,8i,9i) International Information Technology Company LLC -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 2:14 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Fwd: Oracle Press OCP exam guide frustrations All, I just purchased a Oracle9i Fundamentals I exam guide published by Oracle Press and am very disappointed with the quality of the publication. There seems to be quite a few mistakes, misleading sentences and typos (not in the Errata) which is very frustrating. Also, there is a question in the Managing Tablespaces and Datafiles chapter that replies on the order of the multiple-choices, however the quiz software randomises the choices so the question no longer makes sense - and is impossible to answer as presented. For those that have completed the OCP exam, is this what I am to expect? Does anyone know of any other resources I might be able to use? How are the OCP exam guides published by Sybex? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Regards, Craig. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Craig Munday INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Rajesh Dayal INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE
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Does anyone other than Oracle truely believe that a course is necessary if you can pass the exam? -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, 17 September 2003 8:50 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L One may as well get used to putting forth some extra expenditure when getting certified now. The publisher, Coriolis, went under. And now Oracle is requiring that you complete at least one of their prep courses (irrespective of whether you believe you need it or not) in order to become OCP-certified for 9i. -Original Message- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 11:00 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L they are not outstanding. they are ok? They are also expensive. I have found the Coriolis books to be better than the Osborne books in quality. They dont have 9i ones. you can get the 8.0/8i ones for $9/each at maryland-merchant.com Im using those myself, then the docs. I didnt like the osborne books. From: Rajesh Dayal [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2003/09/16 Tue AM 10:09:24 EDT To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Oracle Press OCP exam guide frustrations Try out self study materials from http://www.selftestsoftware.com they are simply outstanding. I have always found them helpful for all my exams. But at same time I never totally rely on them, I first complete my ground work with standard syllabus (available on Oracle OCP site) and Oracle Documentation then only I Open them ;-). HTH, Rajesh Dayal Senior Oracle DBA (OCP 8,8i,9i) International Information Technology Company LLC -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 2:14 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Fwd: Oracle Press OCP exam guide frustrations All, I just purchased a Oracle9i Fundamentals I exam guide published by Oracle Press and am very disappointed with the quality of the publication. There seems to be quite a few mistakes, misleading sentences and typos (not in the Errata) which is very frustrating. Also, there is a question in the Managing Tablespaces and Datafiles chapter that replies on the order of the multiple-choices, however the quiz software randomises the choices so the question no longer makes sense - and is impossible to answer as presented. For those that have completed the OCP exam, is this what I am to expect? Does anyone know of any other resources I might be able to use? How are the OCP exam guides published by Sybex? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Regards, Craig. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Craig Munday INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Rajesh Dayal INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: [EMAIL PROTECTED] INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Melanie Caffrey INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Not really, most of DBA on this list did their OCP without any Oracle formal training. Use your experience on that version, study relevant material or available books/docs, do practice of STS test questions and then you are pretty much ready for exam. I did my OCP from 7. to 9i without attending and formal course and passed in first attempt Regards Rafiq Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 19:04:40 -0800 Does anyone other than Oracle truely believe that a course is necessary if you can pass the exam? -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, 17 September 2003 8:50 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L One may as well get used to putting forth some extra expenditure when getting certified now. The publisher, Coriolis, went under. And now Oracle is requiring that you complete at least one of their prep courses (irrespective of whether you believe you need it or not) in order to become OCP-certified for 9i. -Original Message- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 11:00 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L they are not outstanding. they are ok? They are also expensive. I have found the Coriolis books to be better than the Osborne books in quality. They dont have 9i ones. you can get the 8.0/8i ones for $9/each at maryland-merchant.com Im using those myself, then the docs. I didnt like the osborne books. From: Rajesh Dayal [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2003/09/16 Tue AM 10:09:24 EDT To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Oracle Press OCP exam guide frustrations Try out self study materials from http://www.selftestsoftware.com they are simply outstanding. I have always found them helpful for all my exams. But at same time I never totally rely on them, I first complete my ground work with standard syllabus (available on Oracle OCP site) and Oracle Documentation then only I Open them ;-). HTH, Rajesh Dayal Senior Oracle DBA (OCP 8,8i,9i) International Information Technology Company LLC -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 2:14 PM To:Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Fwd: Oracle Press OCP exam guide frustrations All, I just purchased a Oracle9i Fundamentals I exam guide published by Oracle Press and am very disappointed with the quality of the publication. There seems to be quite a few mistakes, misleading sentences and typos (not in the Errata) which is very frustrating. Also, there is a question in the Managing Tablespaces and Datafiles chapter that replies on the order of the multiple-choices, however the quiz software randomises the choices so the question no longer makes sense - and is impossible to answer as presented. For those that have completed the OCP exam, is this what I am to expect? Does anyone know of any other resources I might be able to use? How are the OCP exam guides published by Sybex? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Regards, Craig. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Craig Munday INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Rajesh Dayal INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: [EMAIL PROTECTED] INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command
RE: RE: Oracle Press OCP exam guide frustrations
This is most likely the reason Oracle has now made it a requirement. Otherwise, who would ever take a course? -Original Message- From: M Rafiq [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tue 9/16/2003 11:54 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Cc: Subject: RE: RE: Oracle Press OCP exam guide frustrations Not really, most of DBA on this list did their OCP without any Oracle formal training. Use your experience on that version, study relevant material or available books/docs, do practice of STS test questions and then you are pretty much ready for exam. I did my OCP from 7. to 9i without attending and formal course and passed in first attempt Regards Rafiq Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 19:04:40 -0800 Does anyone other than Oracle truely believe that a course is necessary if you can pass the exam? -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, 17 September 2003 8:50 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L One may as well get used to putting forth some extra expenditure when getting certified now. The publisher, Coriolis, went under. And now Oracle is requiring that you complete at least one of their prep courses (irrespective of whether you believe you need it or not) in order to become OCP-certified for 9i. -Original Message- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 11:00 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L they are not outstanding. they are ok? They are also expensive. I have found the Coriolis books to be better than the Osborne books in quality. They dont have 9i ones. you can get the 8.0/8i ones for $9/each at maryland-merchant.com Im using those myself, then the docs. I didnt like the osborne books. From: Rajesh Dayal [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2003/09/16 Tue AM 10:09:24 EDT To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Oracle Press OCP exam guide frustrations Try out self study materials from http://www.selftestsoftware.com they are simply outstanding. I have always found them helpful for all my exams. But at same time I never totally rely on them, I first complete my ground work with standard syllabus (available on Oracle OCP site) and Oracle Documentation then only I Open them ;-). HTH, Rajesh Dayal Senior Oracle DBA (OCP 8,8i,9i) International Information Technology Company LLC -Original Message- Sent:Tuesday, September 16, 2003 2:14 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Fwd: Oracle Press OCP exam guide frustrations All, I just purchased a Oracle9i Fundamentals I exam guide published by Oracle Press and am very disappointed with the quality of the publication. There seems to be quite a few mistakes, misleading sentences and typos (not in the Errata) which is very frustrating. Also, there is a question in the Managing Tablespaces and Datafiles chapter that replies on the order of the multiple-choices, however the quiz software randomises the choices so the question no longer makes sense - and is impossible to answer as presented. For those that have completed the OCP exam, is this what I am to expect? Does anyone know of any other resources I might be able to use? How are the OCP exam guides published by Sybex? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Regards, Craig. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Craig Munday INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L
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Rafiq, How about Boson Practice tests compared to STS ? has anyone on this list found Boson useful ? Jp. 17-09-2003 13:34:36, Caffrey, Melanie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is most likely the reason Oracle has now made it a requirement. Otherwise, who would ever take a course? -Original Message- From: M Rafiq [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tue 9/16/2003 11:54 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Cc: Subject: RE: RE: Oracle Press OCP exam guide frustrations Not really, most of DBA on this list did their OCP without any Oracle formal training. Use your experience on that version, study relevant material or available books/docs, do practice of STS test questions and then you are pretty much ready for exam. I did my OCP from 7. to 9i without attending and formal course and passed in first attempt Regards Rafiq -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Prem Khanna J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
