RE: Recent reports on outages caused by DB2 and 9iRAC issues
WOW! Those are some good stories to keep in mind... And some folks wonder why techies like working with computers more than working with people. ;-) Trying to be wise as a serpent and harmless as a dove... -Original Message- Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 1:49 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L my 2¢ is it all depends on who you are. A few good ones I'm aware of. Confessors within the last 9 months, I know of one company where a DBA (unknown to mgt.) inadvertently dropped something and was able to fix it within a few minutes. I'm not sure if anyone other than operations noticed. Mgt. response: his mistake would be recognized on his yearly bonus. A couple months later at the same company, a well known DBA (one of the boys) brought down the web database for a couple of hours. Nothing was said. Mgt. response "We all make mistakes. Be more careful". Cowards A few years earlier at the same company, I remember a DBA who was doing maintenance and messed up. He never confessed to creating the problem, but did take credit for fixing it. Mgt. response: he was awarded a certificate for "Going the Extra Mile"... :) Steve - Original Message - To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 1:34 PM > I've only made one mistake in my life and that was the time when I > thought I was wrong. ;-) > > OK, getting serious... I've found it's best to QUICKLY be 100% > truthful. If you get crucified for it then it may be that damagement > needs to lighten up. Unfortunately the fear of damagement causes wheel > spinning work-arounds to compromises of the facts. ;-) > > I once inadvertently brought a 24X7 production system down by shutting > down a test database that was "managed" by Veritas Cluster Server > junk. A hands on type director had added it to the cluster without > telling me so when I shut down the test database the cluster stuff > tried to fail over and everything came crashing down. I got the blame > so it was a real "cluster-f***" because the damager wouldn't accept > any responsibility for this episode. Later he decided to change some > Unix stuff all on his own and the result was that the system was down > quite some time. He as rather cavalier about the outage and danced > around the truth. Ultimately his prevarications caught up with him and > he was "dismissed" on the spot. "Justice" was served. > > > > -Original Message- > Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 11:59 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > Importance: High > > > I always admit when I make a mistake. Gives me much more credibility > when I say "this time it ISN'T me" > > > --- "Goulet, Dick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I prefer my bosses attitude on the subject of mistakes: > > > > Admit that you did it & then go fix it. We'll crucify you > later, if > > we have the time. > > > > For some reason, known only to the Devil himself, they never find > > the time. > > > > Dick Goulet > > Senior Oracle DBA > > Oracle Certified 8i DBA > > > > -Original Message- > > Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 1:14 PM > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > > > > This reminds of watching the Indy 500 a couple of years ago. > > > > One of the drivers managed to spin in turn 4 of the first lap of the > > race, and subsequently was unable to finish the race. > > > > Before continuing, you need to know that when in a corner, one thing > > you should *never* do is take your foot off of the gas pedal. > > > > The resulting weight transfer will greatly reduce the amount of > > weight on the rear tires, and could easily cause you to spin. > > > > Back to the story: The driver was interviewed shortly afterward in > > the pits, and put the blame squarely on the car. "It was something > > with the car". > > > > Technology in the form of an onboard camera told another story. He > > let off the gas twice in turn 4. The first time the rear of the car > > squirmed a bit and he recovered. The second time it sounded like he > > completely released the accelerator, and the spin came shortly > > afterwards. > > > > He could have been a smart guy too, if he had remembered the camera. > > > > Too bad there wasn't a camera on the smart guys at Orbitz, maybe it > > would tell a different story. ;) > > > > None of us are immune to making mistakes, and about the time you > > start feeling invincible, watch out. > > > >
Re: Recent reports on outages caused by DB2 and 9iRAC issues
- Original Message - > > I'm all for summary executions due to the latter... :-) > How nice. Fortunately, SAC doesn't much listen to your ideas... Cheers Nuno Souto [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Nuno Souto INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: Recent reports on outages caused by DB2 and 9iRAC issues
my 2¢ is it all depends on who you are. A few good ones I'm aware of. Confessors within the last 9 months, I know of one company where a DBA (unknown to mgt.) inadvertently dropped something and was able to fix it within a few minutes. I'm not sure if anyone other than operations noticed. Mgt. response: his mistake would be recognized on his yearly bonus. A couple months later at the same company, a well known DBA (one of the boys) brought down the web database for a couple of hours. Nothing was said. Mgt. response "We all make mistakes. Be more careful". Cowards A few years earlier at the same company, I remember a DBA who was doing maintenance and messed up. He never confessed to creating the problem, but did take credit for fixing it. Mgt. response: he was awarded a certificate for "Going the Extra Mile"... :) Steve - Original Message - To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 1:34 PM > I've only made one mistake in my life and that was the time when I > thought I was wrong. ;-) > > OK, getting serious... I've found it's best to QUICKLY be 100% truthful. > If you get crucified for it then it may be that damagement needs to > lighten up. Unfortunately the fear of damagement causes wheel spinning > work-arounds to compromises of the facts. ;-) > > I once inadvertently brought a 24X7 production system down by shutting > down a test database that was "managed" by Veritas Cluster Server junk. > A hands on type director had added it to the cluster without telling me > so when I shut down the test database the cluster stuff tried to fail > over and everything came crashing down. I got the blame so it was a real > "cluster-f***" because the damager wouldn't accept any responsibility > for this episode. Later he decided to change some Unix stuff all on his > own and the result was that the system was down quite some time. He as > rather cavalier about the outage and danced around the truth. Ultimately > his prevarications caught up with him and he was "dismissed" on the > spot. "Justice" was served. > > > > -Original Message- > Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 11:59 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > Importance: High > > > I always admit when I make a mistake. Gives me much more credibility > when I say "this time it ISN'T me" > > > --- "Goulet, Dick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I prefer my bosses attitude on the subject of mistakes: > > > > Admit that you did it & then go fix it. We'll crucify you > later, if > > we have the time. > > > > For some reason, known only to the Devil himself, they never find the > > time. > > > > Dick Goulet > > Senior Oracle DBA > > Oracle Certified 8i DBA > > > > -Original Message- > > Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 1:14 PM > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > > > > This reminds of watching the Indy 500 a couple of years ago. > > > > One of the drivers managed to spin in turn 4 of the first lap of the > > race, and subsequently was unable to finish the race. > > > > Before continuing, you need to know that when in a corner, one thing > > you should *never* do is take your foot off of the gas pedal. > > > > The resulting weight transfer will greatly reduce the amount of weight > > on the rear tires, and could easily cause you to spin. > > > > Back to the story: The driver was interviewed shortly afterward in > > the pits, and put the blame squarely on the car. "It was something > > with the > > car". > > > > Technology in the form of an onboard camera told another story. He > > let off the gas twice in turn 4. The first time the rear of the car > > squirmed a bit and he recovered. The second time it sounded like he > > completely > > released the accelerator, and the spin came shortly afterwards. > > > > He could have been a smart guy too, if he had remembered the camera. > > > > Too bad there wasn't a camera on the smart guys at Orbitz, maybe it > > would tell a different story. ;) > > > > None of us are immune to making mistakes, and about the time you > > start feeling invincible, watch out. > > > > Jared > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Goulet, Dick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > 07/18/2003 09:44 AM > > Please respond to ORACLE-L > > > > > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L >
RE: Recent reports on outages caused by DB2 and 9iRAC issues
If anyone has any inside info on the Orbitz problem, I'd like to hear it. Email me private if you like, I'll take what you tell me to the grave. Robert Robert G. Freeman TUSC www.tusc.com Author books, books and more books! -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Freeman Robert - IL INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Recent reports on outages caused by DB2 and 9iRAC issues
In my mind there is a great difference between screwing up my airline reservations and causing a code bug that sets a B-52 off to bombing Sydney... I'm all for summary executions due to the latter... :-) RF -Original Message- To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Sent: 7/18/2003 2:04 PM There use to be a third line to that that read "Summary executions are SAC policy", but it just wasn't politically correct. Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message- [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 2:49 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L That's funny, I thought SAC's motto was "SAC eats it's young". Scott Shafer San Antonio, TX 210.581.6217 > -Original Message- > From: Goulet, Dick [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 1:35 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > Subject: RE: Recent reports on outages caused by DB2 and 9iRAC issues > > Raj, > > My previous boss's attitude was: > > To error is Human. > To forgive is not SAC policy. > > SAC= Starategic Air Command. > > > Dick Goulet > Senior Oracle DBA > Oracle Certified 8i DBA > > -Original Message- > From: Jamadagni, Rajendra [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 2:00 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > Subject: RE: Recent reports on outages caused by DB2 and 9iRAC issues > > > > Dick, > > we don't share the same boss ... do we? > Raj > -- > -- > Rajendra dot Jamadagni at nospamespn dot com > All Views expressed in this email are strictly personal. > QOTD: Any clod can have facts, having an opinion is an art ! > > > -----Original Message- > From: Goulet, Dick [ <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] > Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 1:39 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > Subject: RE: Recent reports on outages caused by DB2 and 9iRAC issues > > > I prefer my bosses attitude on the subject of mistakes: > Admit that you did it & then go fix it. We'll crucify you later, if we > have the time. > For some reason, known only to the Devil himself, they never find the > time. > -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Goulet, Dick INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Freeman Robert - IL INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Recent reports on outages caused by DB2 and 9iRAC issues
There use to be a third line to that that read "Summary executions are SAC policy", but it just wasn't politically correct. Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message- [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 2:49 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L That's funny, I thought SAC's motto was "SAC eats it's young". Scott Shafer San Antonio, TX 210.581.6217 > -Original Message- > From: Goulet, Dick [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 1:35 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > Subject: RE: Recent reports on outages caused by DB2 and 9iRAC issues > > Raj, > > My previous boss's attitude was: > > To error is Human. > To forgive is not SAC policy. > > SAC= Starategic Air Command. > > > Dick Goulet > Senior Oracle DBA > Oracle Certified 8i DBA > > -Original Message- > From: Jamadagni, Rajendra [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 2:00 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > Subject: RE: Recent reports on outages caused by DB2 and 9iRAC issues > > > > Dick, > > we don't share the same boss ... do we? > Raj > -- > -- > Rajendra dot Jamadagni at nospamespn dot com > All Views expressed in this email are strictly personal. > QOTD: Any clod can have facts, having an opinion is an art ! > > > -Original Message----- > From: Goulet, Dick [ <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] > Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 1:39 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > Subject: RE: Recent reports on outages caused by DB2 and 9iRAC issues > > > I prefer my bosses attitude on the subject of mistakes: > Admit that you did it & then go fix it. We'll crucify you later, if we > have the time. > For some reason, known only to the Devil himself, they never find the > time. > -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Goulet, Dick INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re[2]: Recent reports on outages caused by DB2 and 9iRAC issues
Not only should you confess to what you did promptly, confess to everything else too. If you do that often enough they quit believing you }:-) -rje O> I've only made one mistake in my life and that was the time when I O> thought I was wrong. ;-) O> OK, getting serious... I've found it's best to QUICKLY be 100% truthful. O> If you get crucified for it then it may be that damagement needs to O> lighten up. Unfortunately the fear of damagement causes wheel spinning O> work-arounds to compromises of the facts. ;-) O> I once inadvertently brought a 24X7 production system down by shutting O> down a test database that was "managed" by Veritas Cluster Server junk. O> A hands on type director had added it to the cluster without telling me O> so when I shut down the test database the cluster stuff tried to fail O> over and everything came crashing down. I got the blame so it was a real O> "cluster-f***" because the damager wouldn't accept any responsibility O> for this episode. Later he decided to change some Unix stuff all on his O> own and the result was that the system was down quite some time. He as O> rather cavalier about the outage and danced around the truth. Ultimately O> his prevarications caught up with him and he was "dismissed" on the O> spot. "Justice" was served. O> -Original Message- O> Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 11:59 AM O> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L O> Importance: High O> I always admit when I make a mistake. Gives me much more credibility O> when I say "this time it ISN'T me" -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Robert Eskridge INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Recent reports on outages caused by DB2 and 9iRAC issues
That's funny, I thought SAC's motto was "SAC eats it's young". Scott Shafer San Antonio, TX 210.581.6217 > -Original Message- > From: Goulet, Dick [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 1:35 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > Subject: RE: Recent reports on outages caused by DB2 and 9iRAC issues > > Raj, > > My previous boss's attitude was: > > To error is Human. > To forgive is not SAC policy. > > SAC= Starategic Air Command. > > > Dick Goulet > Senior Oracle DBA > Oracle Certified 8i DBA > > -Original Message- > From: Jamadagni, Rajendra [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 2:00 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > Subject: RE: Recent reports on outages caused by DB2 and 9iRAC issues > > > > Dick, > > we don't share the same boss ... do we? > Raj > -- > -- > Rajendra dot Jamadagni at nospamespn dot com > All Views expressed in this email are strictly personal. > QOTD: Any clod can have facts, having an opinion is an art ! > > > -Original Message----- > From: Goulet, Dick [ <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] > Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 1:39 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > Subject: RE: Recent reports on outages caused by DB2 and 9iRAC issues > > > I prefer my bosses attitude on the subject of mistakes: > Admit that you did it & then go fix it. We'll crucify you later, if we > have the time. > For some reason, known only to the Devil himself, they never find the > time. > -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Recent reports on outages caused by DB2 and 9iRAC issues
Title: RE: Recent reports on outages caused by DB2 and 9iRAC issues He-he. I stil have my SAC shoulder patch – a mock of one – with that phrase and it shows a fist holding a pair of – well Dick, you have one too, I’ll bet. :>) --Walt Weaver Former KC-135 puke -Original Message- From: Goulet, Dick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 12:35 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: Recent reports on outages caused by DB2 and 9iRAC issues Raj, My previous boss's attitude was: To error is Human. To forgive is not SAC policy. SAC= Starategic Air Command. Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message- From: Jamadagni, Rajendra [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 2:00 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: Recent reports on outages caused by DB2 and 9iRAC issues Dick, we don't share the same boss ... do we? Raj Rajendra dot Jamadagni at nospamespn dot com All Views expressed in this email are strictly personal. QOTD: Any clod can have facts, having an opinion is an art ! -Original Message- From: Goulet, Dick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 1:39 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: Recent reports on outages caused by DB2 and 9iRAC issues I prefer my bosses attitude on the subject of mistakes: Admit that you did it & then go fix it. We'll crucify you later, if we have the time. For some reason, known only to the Devil himself, they never find the time.
RE: Recent reports on outages caused by DB2 and 9iRAC issues
Title: RE: Recent reports on outages caused by DB2 and 9iRAC issues Raj, My previous boss's attitude was: To error is Human. To forgive is not SAC policy. SAC= Starategic Air Command. Dick GouletSenior Oracle DBAOracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message-From: Jamadagni, Rajendra [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 2:00 PMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: RE: Recent reports on outages caused by DB2 and 9iRAC issues Dick, we don't share the same boss ... do we? Raj Rajendra dot Jamadagni at nospamespn dot com All Views expressed in this email are strictly personal. QOTD: Any clod can have facts, having an opinion is an art ! -Original Message- From: Goulet, Dick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 1:39 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: Recent reports on outages caused by DB2 and 9iRAC issues I prefer my bosses attitude on the subject of mistakes: Admit that you did it & then go fix it. We'll crucify you later, if we have the time. For some reason, known only to the Devil himself, they never find the time.
RE: Recent reports on outages caused by DB2 and 9iRAC issues
I typically will not work for a boss who isn't like that. If I screw up, I'm the
first to admit it
(generally by a blood curdling scream). You can rake my sorry a. over the coals once
the problem
has been resolved.
Ron Thomas
Hypercom, Inc
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Each new user of a new system uncovers a new class of bugs. -- Kernighan
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I prefer my bosses attitude on the subject of mistakes:
Admit that you did it & then go fix it. We'll crucify you later, if we
have the time.
For some reason, known only to the Devil himself, they never find the time.
Dick Goulet
Senior Oracle DBA
Oracle Certified 8i DBA
-Original Message-
Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 1:14 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
This reminds of watching the Indy 500 a couple of years ago.
One of the drivers managed to spin in turn 4 of the first lap of the race,
and subsequently was unable to finish the race.
Before continuing, you need to know that when in a corner, one thing
you should *never* do is take your foot off of the gas pedal.
The resulting weight transfer will greatly reduce the amount of weight
on the rear tires, and could easily cause you to spin.
Back to the story: The driver was interviewed shortly afterward in the
pits, and put the blame squarely on the car. "It was something with the
car".
Technology in the form of an onboard camera told another story. He
let off the gas twice in turn 4. The first time the rear of the car
squirmed
a bit and he recovered. The second time it sounded like he completely
released the accelerator, and the spin came shortly afterwards.
He could have been a smart guy too, if he had remembered the camera.
Too bad there wasn't a camera on the smart guys at Orbitz, maybe it
would tell a different story. ;)
None of us are immune to making mistakes, and about the time you
start feeling invincible, watch out.
Jared
"Goulet, Dick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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07/18/2003 09:44 AM
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To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
cc:
Subject: RE: Recent reports on outages caused by DB2 and 9iRAC issues
Interesting quote in eWeek. We may all be "smart guys", but how often do
we like to admit to causing a problem.
Dick Goulet
Senior Oracle DBA
Oracle Certified 8i DBA
-Original Message-
Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 11:55 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Reports on "Bugs" in IBM's DB2 which led to "a critical operational
situation"
http://theregister.co.uk/content/archive/30095.html
and
http://www.danskebank.com/link/ITreport20030403uk/$file/ITreport20030403uk.pdf
Report on Orbitz blaming an outage on Oracle's 9iRAC [and Orbitz going out
of 9iRAC]
http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,1196879,00.asp
and
http://www.computerworld.com/databasetopics/data/software/story/0,10801,83186,00.html
Hemant K Chitale
Oracle 9i Database Administrator Certified Profess
RE: Recent reports on outages caused by DB2 and 9iRAC issues
I've only made one mistake in my life and that was the time when I thought I was wrong. ;-) OK, getting serious... I've found it's best to QUICKLY be 100% truthful. If you get crucified for it then it may be that damagement needs to lighten up. Unfortunately the fear of damagement causes wheel spinning work-arounds to compromises of the facts. ;-) I once inadvertently brought a 24X7 production system down by shutting down a test database that was "managed" by Veritas Cluster Server junk. A hands on type director had added it to the cluster without telling me so when I shut down the test database the cluster stuff tried to fail over and everything came crashing down. I got the blame so it was a real "cluster-f***" because the damager wouldn't accept any responsibility for this episode. Later he decided to change some Unix stuff all on his own and the result was that the system was down quite some time. He as rather cavalier about the outage and danced around the truth. Ultimately his prevarications caught up with him and he was "dismissed" on the spot. "Justice" was served. -Original Message- Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 11:59 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Importance: High I always admit when I make a mistake. Gives me much more credibility when I say "this time it ISN'T me" --- "Goulet, Dick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I prefer my bosses attitude on the subject of mistakes: > > Admit that you did it & then go fix it. We'll crucify you later, if > we have the time. > > For some reason, known only to the Devil himself, they never find the > time. > > Dick Goulet > Senior Oracle DBA > Oracle Certified 8i DBA > > -Original Message- > Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 1:14 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > This reminds of watching the Indy 500 a couple of years ago. > > One of the drivers managed to spin in turn 4 of the first lap of the > race, and subsequently was unable to finish the race. > > Before continuing, you need to know that when in a corner, one thing > you should *never* do is take your foot off of the gas pedal. > > The resulting weight transfer will greatly reduce the amount of weight > on the rear tires, and could easily cause you to spin. > > Back to the story: The driver was interviewed shortly afterward in > the pits, and put the blame squarely on the car. "It was something > with the > car". > > Technology in the form of an onboard camera told another story. He > let off the gas twice in turn 4. The first time the rear of the car > squirmed a bit and he recovered. The second time it sounded like he > completely > released the accelerator, and the spin came shortly afterwards. > > He could have been a smart guy too, if he had remembered the camera. > > Too bad there wasn't a camera on the smart guys at Orbitz, maybe it > would tell a different story. ;) > > None of us are immune to making mistakes, and about the time you > start feeling invincible, watch out. > > Jared > > > > > > > "Goulet, Dick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > 07/18/2003 09:44 AM > Please respond to ORACLE-L > > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > cc: > Subject:RE: Recent reports on outages caused by DB2 > and 9iRAC issues > > > Interesting quote in eWeek. We may all be "smart guys", but how often > do we like to admit to causing a problem. > > Dick Goulet > Senior Oracle DBA > Oracle Certified 8i DBA > -Original Message- > Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 11:55 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > > Reports on "Bugs" in IBM's DB2 which led to "a critical operational > situation" > http://theregister.co.uk/content/archive/30095.html > and > http://www.danskebank.com/link/ITreport20030403uk/$file/ITreport20030403 uk.pdf > > > Report on Orbitz blaming an outage on Oracle's 9iRAC [and Orbitz going > out of 9iRAC] > http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,1196879,00.asp > and > http://www.computerworld.com/databasetopics/data/software/story/0,10801, 83186,00.html > > > > Hemant K Chitale > Oracle 9i Database Administrator Certified Professional > My personal web site is : http://hkchital.tripod.com > > -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- > Author: Hemant K Chitale INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City > Network Services -- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, > California -- Mailing list and web host
RE: Recent reports on outages caused by DB2 and 9iRAC issues
I always admit when I make a mistake. Gives me much more credibility when I say "this time it ISN'T me" --- "Goulet, Dick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I prefer my bosses attitude on the subject of mistakes: > > Admit that you did it & then go fix it. We'll crucify you later, if > we have the time. > > For some reason, known only to the Devil himself, they never find the > time. > > Dick Goulet > Senior Oracle DBA > Oracle Certified 8i DBA > > -Original Message- > Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 1:14 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > This reminds of watching the Indy 500 a couple of years ago. > > One of the drivers managed to spin in turn 4 of the first lap of the > race, > and subsequently was unable to finish the race. > > Before continuing, you need to know that when in a corner, one thing > you should *never* do is take your foot off of the gas pedal. > > The resulting weight transfer will greatly reduce the amount of > weight > on the rear tires, and could easily cause you to spin. > > Back to the story: The driver was interviewed shortly afterward in > the > pits, and put the blame squarely on the car. "It was something with > the > car". > > Technology in the form of an onboard camera told another story. He > let off the gas twice in turn 4. The first time the rear of the car > squirmed > a bit and he recovered. The second time it sounded like he > completely > released the accelerator, and the spin came shortly afterwards. > > He could have been a smart guy too, if he had remembered the camera. > > Too bad there wasn't a camera on the smart guys at Orbitz, maybe it > would tell a different story. ;) > > None of us are immune to making mistakes, and about the time you > start feeling invincible, watch out. > > Jared > > > > > > > "Goulet, Dick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > 07/18/2003 09:44 AM > Please respond to ORACLE-L > > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > cc: > Subject:RE: Recent reports on outages caused by DB2 > and 9iRAC issues > > > Interesting quote in eWeek. We may all be "smart guys", but how > often do > we like to admit to causing a problem. > > Dick Goulet > Senior Oracle DBA > Oracle Certified 8i DBA > -Original Message- > Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 11:55 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > > Reports on "Bugs" in IBM's DB2 which led to "a critical operational > situation" > http://theregister.co.uk/content/archive/30095.html > and > http://www.danskebank.com/link/ITreport20030403uk/$file/ITreport20030403uk.pdf > > > Report on Orbitz blaming an outage on Oracle's 9iRAC [and Orbitz > going out > of 9iRAC] > http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,1196879,00.asp > and > http://www.computerworld.com/databasetopics/data/software/story/0,10801,83186,00.html > > > > Hemant K Chitale > Oracle 9i Database Administrator Certified Professional > My personal web site is : http://hkchital.tripod.com > > -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- > Author: Hemant K Chitale INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City > Network Services -- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, > California -- Mailing list and web hosting services > - > To > REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the > message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name > of > mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP > > command for other information (like subscribing). > > > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net > -- > Author: > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services > - > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-
RE: Recent reports on outages caused by DB2 and 9iRAC issues
Title: RE: Recent reports on outages caused by DB2 and 9iRAC issues Dick, we don't share the same boss ... do we? Raj Rajendra dot Jamadagni at nospamespn dot com All Views expressed in this email are strictly personal. QOTD: Any clod can have facts, having an opinion is an art ! -Original Message- From: Goulet, Dick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 1:39 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: Recent reports on outages caused by DB2 and 9iRAC issues I prefer my bosses attitude on the subject of mistakes: Admit that you did it & then go fix it. We'll crucify you later, if we have the time. For some reason, known only to the Devil himself, they never find the time. This e-mail message is confidential, intended only for the named recipient(s) above and may contain information that is privileged, attorney work product or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you have received this message in error, or are not the named recipient(s), please immediately notify corporate MIS at (860) 766-2000 and delete this e-mail message from your computer, Thank you.*2
RE: Recent reports on outages caused by DB2 and 9iRAC issues
I prefer my bosses attitude on the subject of mistakes:
Admit that you did it & then go fix it. We'll crucify you later, if we have
the time.
For some reason, known only to the Devil himself, they never find the time.
Dick Goulet
Senior Oracle DBA
Oracle Certified 8i DBA
-Original Message-
Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 1:14 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
This reminds of watching the Indy 500 a couple of years ago.
One of the drivers managed to spin in turn 4 of the first lap of the race,
and subsequently was unable to finish the race.
Before continuing, you need to know that when in a corner, one thing
you should *never* do is take your foot off of the gas pedal.
The resulting weight transfer will greatly reduce the amount of weight
on the rear tires, and could easily cause you to spin.
Back to the story: The driver was interviewed shortly afterward in the
pits, and put the blame squarely on the car. "It was something with the
car".
Technology in the form of an onboard camera told another story. He
let off the gas twice in turn 4. The first time the rear of the car
squirmed
a bit and he recovered. The second time it sounded like he completely
released the accelerator, and the spin came shortly afterwards.
He could have been a smart guy too, if he had remembered the camera.
Too bad there wasn't a camera on the smart guys at Orbitz, maybe it
would tell a different story. ;)
None of us are immune to making mistakes, and about the time you
start feeling invincible, watch out.
Jared
"Goulet, Dick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
07/18/2003 09:44 AM
Please respond to ORACLE-L
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
cc:
Subject: RE: Recent reports on outages caused by DB2 and 9iRAC issues
Interesting quote in eWeek. We may all be "smart guys", but how often do
we like to admit to causing a problem.
Dick Goulet
Senior Oracle DBA
Oracle Certified 8i DBA
-Original Message-
Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 11:55 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Reports on "Bugs" in IBM's DB2 which led to "a critical operational
situation"
http://theregister.co.uk/content/archive/30095.html
and
http://www.danskebank.com/link/ITreport20030403uk/$file/ITreport20030403uk.pdf
Report on Orbitz blaming an outage on Oracle's 9iRAC [and Orbitz going out
of 9iRAC]
http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,1196879,00.asp
and
http://www.computerworld.com/databasetopics/data/software/story/0,10801,83186,00.html
Hemant K Chitale
Oracle 9i Database Administrator Certified Professional
My personal web site is : http://hkchital.tripod.com
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RE: Recent reports on outages caused by DB2 and 9iRAC issues
This reminds of watching the Indy 500 a couple of years ago.
One of the drivers managed to spin in turn 4 of the first lap of the race,
and subsequently was unable to finish the race.
Before continuing, you need to know that when in a corner, one thing
you should *never* do is take your foot off of the gas pedal.
The resulting weight transfer will greatly reduce the amount of weight
on the rear tires, and could easily cause you to spin.
Back to the story: The driver was interviewed shortly afterward in the
pits, and put the blame squarely on the car. "It was something with the
car".
Technology in the form of an onboard camera told another story. He
let off the gas twice in turn 4. The first time the rear of the car
squirmed
a bit and he recovered. The second time it sounded like he completely
released the accelerator, and the spin came shortly afterwards.
He could have been a smart guy too, if he had remembered the camera.
Too bad there wasn't a camera on the smart guys at Orbitz, maybe it
would tell a different story. ;)
None of us are immune to making mistakes, and about the time you
start feeling invincible, watch out.
Jared
"Goulet, Dick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
07/18/2003 09:44 AM
Please respond to ORACLE-L
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
cc:
Subject: RE: Recent reports on outages caused by DB2 and 9iRAC issues
Interesting quote in eWeek. We may all be "smart guys", but how often do
we like to admit to causing a problem.
Dick Goulet
Senior Oracle DBA
Oracle Certified 8i DBA
-Original Message-
Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 11:55 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Reports on "Bugs" in IBM's DB2 which led to "a critical operational
situation"
http://theregister.co.uk/content/archive/30095.html
and
http://www.danskebank.com/link/ITreport20030403uk/$file/ITreport20030403uk.pdf
Report on Orbitz blaming an outage on Oracle's 9iRAC [and Orbitz going out
of 9iRAC]
http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,1196879,00.asp
and
http://www.computerworld.com/databasetopics/data/software/story/0,10801,83186,00.html
Hemant K Chitale
Oracle 9i Database Administrator Certified Professional
My personal web site is : http://hkchital.tripod.com
-- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Hemant K
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RE: Recent reports on outages caused by DB2 and 9iRAC issues
Interesting quote in eWeek. We may all be "smart guys", but how often do we like to admit to causing a problem. Dick GouletSenior Oracle DBAOracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message-From: Hemant K Chitale [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 11:55 AMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: Recent reports on outages caused by DB2 and 9iRAC issuesReports on "Bugs" in IBM's DB2 which led to "a critical operational situation"http://theregister.co.uk/content/archive/30095.html and http://www.danskebank.com/link/ITreport20030403uk/$file/ITreport20030403uk.pdfReport on Orbitz blaming an outage on Oracle's 9iRAC [and Orbitz going out of 9iRAC] http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,1196879,00.asp and http://www.computerworld.com/databasetopics/data/software/story/0,10801,83186,00.html Hemant K ChitaleOracle 9i Database Administrator Certified ProfessionalMy personal web site is : http://hkchital.tripod.com-- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Hemant K Chitale INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services -- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California -- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Recent reports on outages caused by DB2 and 9iRAC issues
_ Tim Onions Head of Oracle and Web Development Speech Machines (A MedQuist Company) ...the speech-to-data Application Service Provider Tel: +44.1684.312364 http://www.speechmachines.com -Original Message-From: Hemant K Chitale [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: 18 July 2003 16:55To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: Recent reports on outages caused by DB2 and 9iRAC issuesReports on "Bugs" in IBM's DB2 which led to "a critical operational situation"http://theregister.co.uk/content/archive/30095.html and http://www.danskebank.com/link/ITreport20030403uk/$file/ITreport20030403uk.pdfReport on Orbitz blaming an outage on Oracle's 9iRAC [and Orbitz going out of 9iRAC] http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,1196879,00.asp and http://www.computerworld.com/databasetopics/data/software/story/0,10801,83186,00.html Hemant K ChitaleOracle 9i Database Administrator Certified ProfessionalMy personal web site is : http://hkchital.tripod.com-- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Hemant K Chitale INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services -- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California -- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Recent reports on outages caused by DB2 and 9iRAC issues
Reports on "Bugs" in IBM's DB2 which led to "a critical operational situation" http://theregister.co.uk/content/archive/30095.html and http://www.danskebank.com/link/ITreport20030403uk/$file/ITreport20030403uk.pdf Report on Orbitz blaming an outage on Oracle's 9iRAC [and Orbitz going out of 9iRAC] http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,1196879,00.asp and http://www.computerworld.com/databasetopics/data/software/story/0,10801,83186,00.html Hemant K Chitale Oracle 9i Database Administrator Certified Professional My personal web site is : http://hkchital.tripod.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Hemant K Chitale INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
