Re: orion-list Re: orion V2001 #69

2002-01-20 Thread avigdor horovitz


Dear All,
I don't know what was at the beginning of this thread, but for convenience
of discussion:
Rashi on Ex. 1:1 comments These are the names of the sons of Israel -
even though He counted them by name when they were alive (Gen 46:8-27), He
counted them again when they were dead so as to show how beloved they were,
for they were compared to stars which He brings out by number and by name,
as is said (Is. 40:26) Who brings their (stars?/heavens?) host out by
number, calling all of them by name.
This comment is based on Midrash Shemot Rabbah. At the risk of 
imaginatively sermonizing and eisegeting, I assume that the prophetic
reference to taking out the stars is behind the explanation, thereby
inserting a hint of the coming Exodus at the beginning of the account of
the enslavement. Perhaps it's even a sort of astral omen, predicting the
Exodus. God mentions the names of the Israelites as he mentions the names
of the stars. Just as He mentions the stars' names in the process of
taking them out, so He calls the Israelites by name in anticipation of
taking them out of Egypt. By the way, an additional connection is the word
host. Here, the prophecy alludes to Exodus 12:51.
 Victor



On Mon, 14 Jan 2002, Barbara Leger wrote:

 
 I am interested in this too.
 
 Barb Leger
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Dear Peter,
 
  I'm sorry that I can't find the thread which you are responding to here.
  Would you mind repeating it? The Rabbinical sources make the same comparison,
  about the star names, as whom? Also, I don't have access to Rashi's
  commentary - could you summarize it?
 
  Thanks,
  Levia Shanken
 
  In a message dated 1/11/02 3:09:10 AM Eastern Standard Time,
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
   Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 12:52:25 +0200
From: peter janku [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: orion-list Definition of Essenes
  
Dear George and Greg
  
concerning the stars ( and the names)  it might be useful to point out
  that
Rabbinical sources
(even if of late date)
make the same comparison (see RaschiĀ“s commentary on Shmot, the first
  line
of Exodus).
 
 
 
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2002-01-20 Thread JWill87517


Re: Orion-list Understanding Diction [was: stars and names]

Rochelle Altman said, 'Person' as star is an ancient and an obvious 
metaphor/simile where
star means: mentor, teacher, guide, guiding light, counselor, ancestor,
light of X, etc. The only afterlife it refers to is that a person lives
on after death in his/her teaching, etc., etc., and/or in his descendants.
It has nothing to do with resurrection.


Very good. I thought it sounded like a passage in Daniel where he says, and 
those who have understanding shall shine like stars in the firmament.

Johanna 
Savannah, GA


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