Re: [osdcmy] Re: JEMPUTAN SEBAGAI PEMBENTANG DI SESI EKSKLUSIF CIO - BENGKEL SELF RELIANCE PROGRAM OPEN SOURCE SOFTWARE (OSS) SEKTOR AWAM FASA III - SIRI 3
hi all, Firstly, I apologise for coming into this late, have not been following OSDC list much lately, work... then Red1 pulled me into this. So gathering some facts from above, here is my rant. 1. Centralized IT Need to rethink, centralization offers benefits like economies of scale, standardisation, leveraging/creating pools of expertise (building ecosystems)... But this has got to be different from the mainframe era, with big vendors, technology lock-in, proprietry standards and hardware... What the 'New Centralization' should be; it should leverage the latest technology, cloud based computing, ubiqious mobile devices, prevalent broadband internet. Why? Centralising computing much as you would cemtralise utillities, like water, power etc... Such utillities are considered infrastructure, essential for economic development. Much as our current current economic strength was due to the foresight of earlier government to spend on developing the physical infrastructue of roads, ports, power, water... which in turn attracted DFI (direct foreign investment) which inturn led to our economic prosperity. That was phase 1, which was essentially emphasizing on 'hardware' or physical infra. Phase 2: is about building 'Knowledge based' economy. The enablers for that is ICT infra, that would allow knowledge and services to 'flow' just as roads and ports allowed physical goods to flow. Hence computing resources - as represented by cloud-computing, broadband (wireless) telecommunications, mobile devices are the way to go. These, are still 'hard' infra, easy to build, just spend money and do a bit of planning. The development of the 'soft-assets' is more difficult, it includes fixing Education, and devloping ecosystems of IT expertise, SW development, mobile solutions, cloud-computer admins, network security... Then you need domain experts.. Easily available infra - leads to innovation A prominent Silicon Valley VC, in a talk, mentioned the low-cost of computing leads to the rapid growth of innovation and new start-up companies. He specifically mentioned the low-cost of PC/laptops and zero-cost of FOSS. But to deploy and beta-test a product, hosting costs are still high, particularly in Malaysia. Lowering hosting costs via cloud based infra, would lower costs further, leverage efficiencies for wider systems deployment and allow many more innovators to participate. Start-ups/innovators can quickly cheaply develop, test, deploy their prodctt. Cheaper startup costs allow more people to participate. There will be a faster cycle, from conception to success/failure. This leads to a more efficient Darwinian evolution, weeding out the weak, quickly. (note: failure itself is not a bad thing, it teaches valuable lessons that lead to success) Thus you build a healthy eco-system. How this will help government? -- I'll use a 'scenario' to illustrate: Min. of Health (it could be any other..) has a 'cloud' infra, based on OSS (e.g. OpenStack) and wants to explore some new solutions, computerization of the rapidly expanding 1Malaysa clinics... They put out a RFP with the following terms: - must use FOSS - code that's implemented/deployed must be open-sourced (not free, and IP rights belong to respective developers) - based on open API and standards, (for security and auhorization, for data storage for data interchange, medical standars...) - MOH to define the standards to use, requiremnts specs, performance specs, etc... They should not define tools, ie: what DB, what language... - teams that accept the RFP, to put up a beta/prototype on a server - infra will be provided, development servers/tools, test servers - all based on MOH-cloud (a small fee may be paid to development teams, or it can be made into a competition. 200-300k for such a fee for a few million $ project is not unreasonble. A junket trip arranged by vendors to 'tour' overseas facilities would easily cost 100k plus! Which the vendor already built into the final purchase price! ) What are the benefits: -- - create/breed a rich ecosystem of developers/innovators based on merits and capability - open competition, many teams compete - MOH gets to test and evaluate various products and picks the ones that are most suitable and works. - MOH can even 'mix-match' modules from the different competing teams. Because everything is based on open standards, tools. ie: Not difficult to port PHP/mySQL app to Python/Postgres and vv. Or buld a higher level layer that consolidates data into a big centralised database, for centralise reference OLTP and reporting, letting the invidual apps' DB handle transactional needs. (A cost model will have to be determined for the
Re: [osdcmy] Re: JEMPUTAN SEBAGAI PEMBENTANG DI SESI EKSKLUSIF CIO - BENGKEL SELF RELIANCE PROGRAM OPEN SOURCE SOFTWARE (OSS) SEKTOR AWAM FASA III - SIRI 3
welcome back, boh! glad to see your replies again..I mean it :P Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device via Vodafone-Celcom Mobile. -Original Message- From: Boh Yap bhy...@gmail.com Sender: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 18:12:26 To: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com Reply-To: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [osdcmy] Re: JEMPUTAN SEBAGAI PEMBENTANG DI SESI EKSKLUSIF CIO - BENGKEL SELF RELIANCE PROGRAM OPEN SOURCE SOFTWARE (OSS) SEKTOR AWAM FASA III - SIRI 3 hi all, Firstly, I apologise for coming into this late, have not been following OSDC list much lately, work... then Red1 pulled me into this. So gathering some facts from above, here is my rant. 1. Centralized IT Need to rethink, centralization offers benefits like economies of scale, standardisation, leveraging/creating pools of expertise (building ecosystems)... But this has got to be different from the mainframe era, with big vendors, technology lock-in, proprietry standards and hardware... What the 'New Centralization' should be; it should leverage the latest technology, cloud based computing, ubiqious mobile devices, prevalent broadband internet. Why? Centralising computing much as you would cemtralise utillities, like water, power etc... Such utillities are considered infrastructure, essential for economic development. Much as our current current economic strength was due to the foresight of earlier government to spend on developing the physical infrastructue of roads, ports, power, water... which in turn attracted DFI (direct foreign investment) which inturn led to our economic prosperity. That was phase 1, which was essentially emphasizing on 'hardware' or physical infra. Phase 2: is about building 'Knowledge based' economy. The enablers for that is ICT infra, that would allow knowledge and services to 'flow' just as roads and ports allowed physical goods to flow. Hence computing resources - as represented by cloud-computing, broadband (wireless) telecommunications, mobile devices are the way to go. These, are still 'hard' infra, easy to build, just spend money and do a bit of planning. The development of the 'soft-assets' is more difficult, it includes fixing Education, and devloping ecosystems of IT expertise, SW development, mobile solutions, cloud-computer admins, network security... Then you need domain experts.. Easily available infra - leads to innovation A prominent Silicon Valley VC, in a talk, mentioned the low-cost of computing leads to the rapid growth of innovation and new start-up companies. He specifically mentioned the low-cost of PC/laptops and zero-cost of FOSS. But to deploy and beta-test a product, hosting costs are still high, particularly in Malaysia. Lowering hosting costs via cloud based infra, would lower costs further, leverage efficiencies for wider systems deployment and allow many more innovators to participate. Start-ups/innovators can quickly cheaply develop, test, deploy their prodctt. Cheaper startup costs allow more people to participate. There will be a faster cycle, from conception to success/failure. This leads to a more efficient Darwinian evolution, weeding out the weak, quickly. (note: failure itself is not a bad thing, it teaches valuable lessons that lead to success) Thus you build a healthy eco-system. How this will help government? -- I'll use a 'scenario' to illustrate: Min. of Health (it could be any other..) has a 'cloud' infra, based on OSS (e.g. OpenStack) and wants to explore some new solutions, computerization of the rapidly expanding 1Malaysa clinics... They put out a RFP with the following terms: - must use FOSS - code that's implemented/deployed must be open-sourced (not free, and IP rights belong to respective developers) - based on open API and standards, (for security and auhorization, for data storage for data interchange, medical standars...) - MOH to define the standards to use, requiremnts specs, performance specs, etc... They should not define tools, ie: what DB, what language... - teams that accept the RFP, to put up a beta/prototype on a server - infra will be provided, development servers/tools, test servers - all based on MOH-cloud (a small fee may be paid to development teams, or it can be made into a competition. 200-300k for such a fee for a few million $ project is not unreasonble. A junket trip arranged by vendors to 'tour' overseas facilities would easily cost 100k plus! Which the vendor already built into the final purchase price! ) What are the benefits: -- - create/breed a rich ecosystem of developers/innovators based on merits and capability - open competition, many teams compete - MOH gets to test and evaluate various products and picks the ones that are most
Re: [osdcmy] Re: JEMPUTAN SEBAGAI PEMBENTANG DI SESI EKSKLUSIF CIO - BENGKEL SELF RELIANCE PROGRAM OPEN SOURCE SOFTWARE (OSS) SEKTOR AWAM FASA III - SIRI 3
boh has a point. will centralisation of ict officers also mean centralisation of services and of ict budgets ? On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 10:01 AM, jipangmenje...@gmail.com wrote: welcome back, boh! glad to see your replies again..I mean it :P Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device via Vodafone-Celcom Mobile. -Original Message- From: Boh Yap bhy...@gmail.com Sender: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 18:12:26 To: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com Reply-To: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [osdcmy] Re: JEMPUTAN SEBAGAI PEMBENTANG DI SESI EKSKLUSIF CIO - BENGKEL SELF RELIANCE PROGRAM OPEN SOURCE SOFTWARE (OSS) SEKTOR AWAM FASA III - SIRI 3 hi all, Firstly, I apologise for coming into this late, have not been following OSDC list much lately, work... then Red1 pulled me into this. So gathering some facts from above, here is my rant. 1. Centralized IT Need to rethink, centralization offers benefits like economies of scale, standardisation, leveraging/creating pools of expertise (building ecosystems)... But this has got to be different from the mainframe era, with big vendors, technology lock-in, proprietry standards and hardware... What the 'New Centralization' should be; it should leverage the latest technology, cloud based computing, ubiqious mobile devices, prevalent broadband internet. Why? Centralising computing much as you would cemtralise utillities, like water, power etc... Such utillities are considered infrastructure, essential for economic development. Much as our current current economic strength was due to the foresight of earlier government to spend on developing the physical infrastructue of roads, ports, power, water... which in turn attracted DFI (direct foreign investment) which inturn led to our economic prosperity. That was phase 1, which was essentially emphasizing on 'hardware' or physical infra. Phase 2: is about building 'Knowledge based' economy. The enablers for that is ICT infra, that would allow knowledge and services to 'flow' just as roads and ports allowed physical goods to flow. Hence computing resources - as represented by cloud-computing, broadband (wireless) telecommunications, mobile devices are the way to go. These, are still 'hard' infra, easy to build, just spend money and do a bit of planning. The development of the 'soft-assets' is more difficult, it includes fixing Education, and devloping ecosystems of IT expertise, SW development, mobile solutions, cloud-computer admins, network security... Then you need domain experts.. Easily available infra - leads to innovation A prominent Silicon Valley VC, in a talk, mentioned the low-cost of computing leads to the rapid growth of innovation and new start-up companies. He specifically mentioned the low-cost of PC/laptops and zero-cost of FOSS. But to deploy and beta-test a product, hosting costs are still high, particularly in Malaysia. Lowering hosting costs via cloud based infra, would lower costs further, leverage efficiencies for wider systems deployment and allow many more innovators to participate. Start-ups/innovators can quickly cheaply develop, test, deploy their prodctt. Cheaper startup costs allow more people to participate. There will be a faster cycle, from conception to success/failure. This leads to a more efficient Darwinian evolution, weeding out the weak, quickly. (note: failure itself is not a bad thing, it teaches valuable lessons that lead to success) Thus you build a healthy eco-system. How this will help government? -- I'll use a 'scenario' to illustrate: Min. of Health (it could be any other..) has a 'cloud' infra, based on OSS (e.g. OpenStack) and wants to explore some new solutions, computerization of the rapidly expanding 1Malaysa clinics... They put out a RFP with the following terms: - must use FOSS - code that's implemented/deployed must be open-sourced (not free, and IP rights belong to respective developers) - based on open API and standards, (for security and auhorization, for data storage for data interchange, medical standars...) - MOH to define the standards to use, requiremnts specs, performance specs, etc... They should not define tools, ie: what DB, what language... - teams that accept the RFP, to put up a beta/prototype on a server - infra will be provided, development servers/tools, test servers - all based on MOH-cloud (a small fee may be paid to development teams, or it can be made into a competition. 200-300k for such a fee for a few million $ project is not unreasonble. A junket trip arranged by vendors to 'tour' overseas facilities would easily cost 100k plus! Which the vendor already built into the final purchase price! ) What are the benefits:
Re: [osdcmy] Re: JEMPUTAN SEBAGAI PEMBENTANG DI SESI EKSKLUSIF CIO - BENGKEL SELF RELIANCE PROGRAM OPEN SOURCE SOFTWARE (OSS) SEKTOR AWAM FASA III - SIRI 3
I like the infra part. Many of us are 'researchers' who just dont have big enough pocket. If only there's some kind of 'public campus' for us to use without having breaking arms and legs. For instance I'm particularly interested to test and expand some ideas on immunological cloud infra (since Boh uses health as example). On Jul 31, 2012 6:12 PM, Boh Yap bhy...@gmail.com wrote: hi all, Firstly, I apologise for coming into this late, have not been following OSDC list much lately, work... then Red1 pulled me into this. So gathering some facts from above, here is my rant. 1. Centralized IT Need to rethink, centralization offers benefits like economies of scale, standardisation, leveraging/creating pools of expertise (building ecosystems)... But this has got to be different from the mainframe era, with big vendors, technology lock-in, proprietry standards and hardware... What the 'New Centralization' should be; it should leverage the latest technology, cloud based computing, ubiqious mobile devices, prevalent broadband internet. Why? Centralising computing much as you would cemtralise utillities, like water, power etc... Such utillities are considered infrastructure, essential for economic development. Much as our current current economic strength was due to the foresight of earlier government to spend on developing the physical infrastructue of roads, ports, power, water... which in turn attracted DFI (direct foreign investment) which inturn led to our economic prosperity. That was phase 1, which was essentially emphasizing on 'hardware' or physical infra. Phase 2: is about building 'Knowledge based' economy. The enablers for that is ICT infra, that would allow knowledge and services to 'flow' just as roads and ports allowed physical goods to flow. Hence computing resources - as represented by cloud-computing, broadband (wireless) telecommunications, mobile devices are the way to go. These, are still 'hard' infra, easy to build, just spend money and do a bit of planning. The development of the 'soft-assets' is more difficult, it includes fixing Education, and devloping ecosystems of IT expertise, SW development, mobile solutions, cloud-computer admins, network security... Then you need domain experts.. Easily available infra - leads to innovation A prominent Silicon Valley VC, in a talk, mentioned the low-cost of computing leads to the rapid growth of innovation and new start-up companies. He specifically mentioned the low-cost of PC/laptops and zero-cost of FOSS. But to deploy and beta-test a product, hosting costs are still high, particularly in Malaysia. Lowering hosting costs via cloud based infra, would lower costs further, leverage efficiencies for wider systems deployment and allow many more innovators to participate. Start-ups/innovators can quickly cheaply develop, test, deploy their prodctt. Cheaper startup costs allow more people to participate. There will be a faster cycle, from conception to success/failure. This leads to a more efficient Darwinian evolution, weeding out the weak, quickly. (note: failure itself is not a bad thing, it teaches valuable lessons that lead to success) Thus you build a healthy eco-system. How this will help government? -- I'll use a 'scenario' to illustrate: Min. of Health (it could be any other..) has a 'cloud' infra, based on OSS (e.g. OpenStack) and wants to explore some new solutions, computerization of the rapidly expanding 1Malaysa clinics... They put out a RFP with the following terms: - must use FOSS - code that's implemented/deployed must be open-sourced (not free, and IP rights belong to respective developers) - based on open API and standards, (for security and auhorization, for data storage for data interchange, medical standars...) - MOH to define the standards to use, requiremnts specs, performance specs, etc... They should not define tools, ie: what DB, what language... - teams that accept the RFP, to put up a beta/prototype on a server - infra will be provided, development servers/tools, test servers - all based on MOH-cloud (a small fee may be paid to development teams, or it can be made into a competition. 200-300k for such a fee for a few million $ project is not unreasonble. A junket trip arranged by vendors to 'tour' overseas facilities would easily cost 100k plus! Which the vendor already built into the final purchase price! ) What are the benefits: -- - create/breed a rich ecosystem of developers/innovators based on merits and capability - open competition, many teams compete - MOH gets to test and evaluate various products and picks the ones that are most suitable and works. - MOH can even
[osdcmy] Re: Geek Iftar 2012
Salam Ramadhan, Hi all, Due inconvenience issue, this event is changed their date to next weekend 12th July 2012 - Sunday. More details here, https://www.facebook.com/events/243645542423284 All here is invited to free joining us. :) Best Regards, محمد شافق بن مذلي Muhammad Syafiq Bin Mazli @syafiqmazli my blog! http://blog.f1q.my 67C2 1C07 FDEC 09ED DE58 1ED8 FF26 6105 142D CBE2 community-malaysia mailing list community-malay...@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/community-malaysia On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 10:59 PM, Muhammad Syafiq creativeneur...@gmail.com wrote: Assalamualaikum, Hi everyone, I hope this won't issue on your mailing list policy since I cc'ed with few mailing list here. Just simple share and open invite to those people glad to merge event with few community seem we know each other FOSS scene in Malaysia. I did share my idea to some persons, Haris (OSDC-MY), Fazli (MY-BSD), Izhar (Fedora-MY), Umarzuki (Debian MY) and active members Mozilla Malaysia Community. I create here event page for you RSVP - http://www.meetup.com/mozilla-my/Kuala-Lumpur/752402/ (Tweet/RT/FB Post about this info!) and details, Event Name : Geek Iftar 2012 Wiki : https://wiki.mozilla.org/Geek_Iftar_2012 Purpose of event : Gathering all FOSS members and having iftar / buka puasa together Date : 4th August 2012 (Saturday) Location : MC Donalds Ampang Park, Ampang Park, KL (Will finalize soon) Fee : Own budget :) JV Community : 1. Mozilla Malaysia Community 2. Fedora Malaysia 3. OSDC-MY 4. Debian Malaysia * (this is open invite to other community joining us as well and will updating list)* Proposed venue, MC Donalds Ampang Park but if you think there have conviniece place to easier people coming, please comment in event page and share your idea there.* Please remind this event will finalize on next Wednesday - 1st August 2012.* Thanks! محمد شافق بن مذلي Muhammad Syafiq Bin Mazli @syafiqmazli my blog! http://blog.f1q.my 67C2 1C07 FDEC 09ED DE58 1ED8 FF26 6105 142D CBE2 community-malaysia mailing list community-malay...@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/community-malaysia -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information OSDC.my Discussion Group In Facebook http://www.facebook.com/groups/osdcmalaysia/ Malaysia Open Source Conference 2012 MOSC2012 http://portal.mosc.my/
