Re: [osg-users] ATI FirePro M8900
Hi, for posterity and the future frustrated, here is what had to be done make the FirePro believe it can do OpenGL. Specs again: Dell Precision M6600 AMD (ATI) FirePro M8900 (FireGL) Mobility Pro Graphics Driver version: 2011/05/31 8.851.0.0 Windows 7 64-bit Grep the OSG source code for Radeon and everywhere add FirePro for the existing workarounds. They have the same Pro-ness. Short circuit State::computeVertexBufferObjectSupported() to return false no matter what. Make the databasepager use display lists: pager-setDrawablePolicy(osgDB::DatabasePager::USE_DISPLAY_LISTS); After all this, OSG at least does not crash, but an annoying +-1s pause was occurring every now and then. This appears to be happening in other OpenGL apps too. To get rid of the pauses we had to disable all eye-candy on Windows 7, i.e. switch to the classic theme. I've now wasted enough time on this. If you got this far, let it be a reminder to spend a bit more and get the NVidia GeForce/Quadro next time. jp PS. Wish I could find an AMD support email address to copy this too, but they're hiding behind web forms with lots of required fields. Bah. On 12/07/2011 08:35, J.P. Delport wrote: Hi Luc, thanks for the feedback. I'm going to try disable VBO wherever possible and see what happens. I'll probably have to make a visitor for all other loaded objects or somehow convince OSG that the ATI does not support VBO. I've been spared the ATI madness till now, so I'll check the list for older VBO workarounds too. It's sad that ATI/AMD misuses their advantage of being the underdog [1] to keep churning out crap OpenGL support. jp [1] People like competition and always seem to give ATI/AMD another chance, only to be disappointed again. On 11/07/11 17:51, Luc Frauciel wrote: I work on a Dell M6400 with a FirePro M7740 on Windows 7 64-bit. Same issue. Hours of installation/desinstallation of different drivers did nothing. The only workaround I've found is to disable VBO : pager-setDrawablePolicy(osgDB::DatabasePager::USE_DISPLAY_LISTS); There is also an Env setting to do that I think. It put an end to Geometric nightmare and random crashes. I really don't know what's pro in Ati FirePro... Luc De : J.P. Delport jpdelp...@csir.co.za A : osg users osg-users@lists.openscenegraph.org Date: 07/11/2011 05:18 PM Objet : [osg-users] ATI FirePro M8900 Envoyé par : osg-users-boun...@lists.openscenegraph.org Hi all, we've got users with shiny new Dell Precision M6600 laptops with the FirePro M8900 ATI chips on Windows 7 64-bit. Terrain databases that work perfectly well almost everywhere produce artistic but not quite pleasing results in osgviewer, see attached. Any ideas on how to work around ATI's OpenGL uselessness? We've already suggested buying NVidia cards :/ Help on installing other driver versions, other than those blessed by Dell with AMD shrugging their shoulders [1], would also be welcome. cheers jp [1] http://support.amd.com/us/kbarticles/Pages/737-28041SupportforATIMobility.aspx -- This message is subject to the CSIR's copyright terms and conditions, e-mail legal notice, and implemented Open Document Format (ODF) standard. The full disclaimer details can be found at http://www.csir.co.za/disclaimer.html. This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. [pièce jointe ati-junk.jpg supprimée par Luc Frauciel/STAR-APIC] ___ osg-users mailing list osg-users@lists.openscenegraph.org http://lists.openscenegraph.org/listinfo.cgi/osg-users-openscenegraph.org ___ osg-users mailing list osg-users@lists.openscenegraph.org http://lists.openscenegraph.org/listinfo.cgi/osg-users-openscenegraph.org -- This message is subject to the CSIR's copyright terms and conditions, e-mail legal notice, and implemented Open Document Format (ODF) standard. The full disclaimer details can be found at http://www.csir.co.za/disclaimer.html. This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ___ osg-users mailing list osg-users@lists.openscenegraph.org http://lists.openscenegraph.org/listinfo.cgi/osg-users-openscenegraph.org
Re: [osg-users] ATI FirePro M8900
Greetings! I have to admit that I've seen issues with laptops, but not like this! I have a desktop at home with two Radon 5800 crossfired tougher and used my software on that without any problem, then take it to a Laptop with what I thought was a higher speed mobile graphics card only to have it come to a screeching halt. One of the things you have to look out for is that Laptops are built for power conservation and to not to be a Lap Heater. Both the Operating system and Video card driver are set from the factory in a conservation mode that you have to disable to get any performance from the darn thing! Oh, don't think, Oh I'll just put it in performance mode and think you’ll get buy. You may also have to remove some of the background software components that were installed for convince sake of a laptop – like that thingy that you use with your finger to log-in to your computer. You may have already thought of this, but I thought I'd bring it up anyway for those who haven’t. I've had too many people bang on my head because they can't get my software to run on their laptops and after looking into their system, finding all this hidden background crap that was holding things up. Oh, and Linux users, don't think that since you’re not using WinDozze that you out of the woods either. I've seen my share of crap on laptops using Linux as well. D Glenn. D Glenn (a.k.a David Glenn) - Moving Heaven and Earth! -- Read this topic online here: http://forum.openscenegraph.org/viewtopic.php?p=41396#41396 ___ osg-users mailing list osg-users@lists.openscenegraph.org http://lists.openscenegraph.org/listinfo.cgi/osg-users-openscenegraph.org
Re: [osg-users] ATI FirePro M8900
Hi Luc, thanks for the feedback. I'm going to try disable VBO wherever possible and see what happens. I'll probably have to make a visitor for all other loaded objects or somehow convince OSG that the ATI does not support VBO. I've been spared the ATI madness till now, so I'll check the list for older VBO workarounds too. It's sad that ATI/AMD misuses their advantage of being the underdog [1] to keep churning out crap OpenGL support. jp [1] People like competition and always seem to give ATI/AMD another chance, only to be disappointed again. On 11/07/11 17:51, Luc Frauciel wrote: I work on a Dell M6400 with a FirePro M7740 on Windows 7 64-bit. Same issue. Hours of installation/desinstallation of different drivers did nothing. The only workaround I've found is to disable VBO : pager-setDrawablePolicy(osgDB::DatabasePager::USE_DISPLAY_LISTS); There is also an Env setting to do that I think. It put an end to Geometric nightmare and random crashes. I really don't know what's pro in Ati FirePro... Luc De :J.P. Delport jpdelp...@csir.co.za A : osg users osg-users@lists.openscenegraph.org Date: 07/11/2011 05:18 PM Objet : [osg-users] ATI FirePro M8900 Envoyé par :osg-users-boun...@lists.openscenegraph.org Hi all, we've got users with shiny new Dell Precision M6600 laptops with the FirePro M8900 ATI chips on Windows 7 64-bit. Terrain databases that work perfectly well almost everywhere produce artistic but not quite pleasing results in osgviewer, see attached. Any ideas on how to work around ATI's OpenGL uselessness? We've already suggested buying NVidia cards :/ Help on installing other driver versions, other than those blessed by Dell with AMD shrugging their shoulders [1], would also be welcome. cheers jp [1] http://support.amd.com/us/kbarticles/Pages/737-28041SupportforATIMobility.aspx -- This message is subject to the CSIR's copyright terms and conditions, e-mail legal notice, and implemented Open Document Format (ODF) standard. The full disclaimer details can be found at http://www.csir.co.za/disclaimer.html. This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. [pièce jointe ati-junk.jpg supprimée par Luc Frauciel/STAR-APIC] ___ osg-users mailing list osg-users@lists.openscenegraph.org http://lists.openscenegraph.org/listinfo.cgi/osg-users-openscenegraph.org ___ osg-users mailing list osg-users@lists.openscenegraph.org http://lists.openscenegraph.org/listinfo.cgi/osg-users-openscenegraph.org -- This message is subject to the CSIR's copyright terms and conditions, e-mail legal notice, and implemented Open Document Format (ODF) standard. The full disclaimer details can be found at http://www.csir.co.za/disclaimer.html. This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ___ osg-users mailing list osg-users@lists.openscenegraph.org http://lists.openscenegraph.org/listinfo.cgi/osg-users-openscenegraph.org
Re: [osg-users] ATI FirePro M8900
On 7/12/2011 12:35 AM, J.P. Delport wrote: Hi Luc, thanks for the feedback. I'm going to try disable VBO wherever possible and see what happens. I'll probably have to make a visitor for all other loaded objects or somehow convince OSG that the ATI does not support VBO. I've been spared the ATI madness till now, so I'll check the list for older VBO workarounds too. It's sad that ATI/AMD misuses their advantage of being the underdog [1] to keep churning out crap OpenGL support. This is very sad. In the past I've known a few people at Nvidia and Intel, but I've never had a contact at ATI that I could beg for favors to fix issues like this. I once (along with several other OSG developers) had to shame them publicly to fix some particularly annoying issues that were wrecking OSG on ATI. -- Chris 'Xenon' Hanson, omo sanza lettere. xe...@alphapixel.com http://www.alphapixel.com/ Digital Imaging. OpenGL. Scene Graphs. GIS. GPS. Training. Consulting. Contracting. There is no Truth. There is only Perception. To Perceive is to Exist. - Xen ___ osg-users mailing list osg-users@lists.openscenegraph.org http://lists.openscenegraph.org/listinfo.cgi/osg-users-openscenegraph.org
Re: [osg-users] ATI FirePro M8900
I work on a Dell M6400 with a FirePro M7740 on Windows 7 64-bit. Same issue. Hours of installation/desinstallation of different drivers did nothing. The only workaround I've found is to disable VBO : pager-setDrawablePolicy(osgDB::DatabasePager::USE_DISPLAY_LISTS); There is also an Env setting to do that I think. It put an end to Geometric nightmare and random crashes. I really don't know what's pro in Ati FirePro... Luc De : J.P. Delport jpdelp...@csir.co.za A : osg users osg-users@lists.openscenegraph.org Date: 07/11/2011 05:18 PM Objet : [osg-users] ATI FirePro M8900 Envoyé par : osg-users-boun...@lists.openscenegraph.org Hi all, we've got users with shiny new Dell Precision M6600 laptops with the FirePro M8900 ATI chips on Windows 7 64-bit. Terrain databases that work perfectly well almost everywhere produce artistic but not quite pleasing results in osgviewer, see attached. Any ideas on how to work around ATI's OpenGL uselessness? We've already suggested buying NVidia cards :/ Help on installing other driver versions, other than those blessed by Dell with AMD shrugging their shoulders [1], would also be welcome. cheers jp [1] http://support.amd.com/us/kbarticles/Pages/737-28041SupportforATIMobility.aspx -- This message is subject to the CSIR's copyright terms and conditions, e-mail legal notice, and implemented Open Document Format (ODF) standard. The full disclaimer details can be found at http://www.csir.co.za/disclaimer.html. This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. [pièce jointe ati-junk.jpg supprimée par Luc Frauciel/STAR-APIC] ___ osg-users mailing list osg-users@lists.openscenegraph.org http://lists.openscenegraph.org/listinfo.cgi/osg-users-openscenegraph.org ___ osg-users mailing list osg-users@lists.openscenegraph.org http://lists.openscenegraph.org/listinfo.cgi/osg-users-openscenegraph.org
