Re: [OSGeoLive] Hyper-V VMs

[Angelos Tzotsos]

Hi Seth,

Please make a separate pull request for this issue.

Thanks,
Angelos

On Sat, May 19, 2018 at 1:24 AM, Seth G  wrote:

> Hi Angelos,
>
> I've added the VM conversion details to the pull request.
> There is quite a lot of content in the Hyper-V page so adding it to the
> VirtualBox page may make it more confusing (in my view). A link to the page
> on the Virtual Box page rather than the main index should be enough without
> cluttering up the main index?
>
> Also to note there seems to be a CSS issue with code directives in lists
> (they are indented too far to the right).
> You can see an example of this at https://live.osgeo.org/en/
> quickstart/istsos_quickstart.html - in the "Add new observations"
> section.
> Removing the li div.highlight class from the overview.css file fixes this
> https://github.com/OSGeo/OSGeoLive-doc/blob/master/doc/
> _themes/overview/static/overview.css
>
> Should I include this as part of the pull request or make a new issue/pull
> request?
>
> Seth
>
> --
> web:http://geographika.co.uk
> twitter: @geographika
>
>
> On Thu, May 17, 2018, at 5:44 PM, Angelos Tzotsos wrote:
>
> Hi Seth,
>
> Thank for the pull request. I actually had in mind that you would describe
> how to convert the image to the hyper-V format and add this as a section in
> the generic virtualization quickstart...
> Do others feel we should include a new page for Hyper-V?
> Personally I would like to avoid duplication of data on SF (those guys are
> very kind with us and the disk space we occupy on their mirrors so far).
>
> Best,
> Angelos
>
> On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 1:42 AM, Seth G  wrote:
>
>
> Hi Angelos/list,
>
> Pull request created at https://github.com/OSGeo/OSGeoLive-doc/pull/371 -
> as its my first contribution to the project please let me know if there are
> any steps I've missed out.
> The quickstart would rely on a converted vhdx disk image. The conversion
> process is probably too complicated to put in a quickstart guide.
> Let me know if I can help creating/uploading a converted vhdx to
> SourceForge.
>
> On a separate note the wiki page at https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OSGeoLive 
> seemed
> to have broken links to this mailing list. I updated them, but not sure if
> this had to be reviewed first. I'm happy to revert if this is the case.
>
> Seth
>
> --
> web:http://geographika.co.uk
> twitter: @geographika
>
>
> On Fri, May 11, 2018, at 12:20 PM, Angelos Tzotsos wrote:
>
> Thanks for the feedback Seth.
>
> I think it would be valuable to document the above steps in our VM
> Quickstart on a section for Hyper-V users.
> https://live.osgeo.org/en/quickstart/virtualization_quickstart.html
>
> Best,
> Angelos
>
> On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 10:43 PM, Seth G  wrote:
>
> Hi Brian,
>
> Thanks for getting back to me. I've been trying out the conversion process
> using MS tools to avoid reliance on software, that whilst currently free,
> may not be in the future (the https://www.starwindsoftware.com/converter).
> Full steps are at the end of the email.
>
> I'm fine with disabling Hyper-V for upcoming workshops - but it may make
> things a little easier for users in Windows environments to work directly
> with Hyper-V in the future.
>
> The resultant .vhdx file is 10.3 GB. Using 7-zip this produces a 3.2 GB
> file. This is essentially the same as the VirtualBox HD file, but in
> Hyper-V format. It can then be used directly in Hyper-V on Windows 10
> Professional (and presumably other versions). I'd be happy to create the
> vhdx file for Sourceforge and a Hyper-V installation page for the docs if
> people think this is worthwhile addition to the OSGeoLive project (and
> should be able to do the same for the v12 planned in the summer).
>
> One drawback with Hyper-V / Lubuntu is there is no equivalent to the
> "Guest Additions" of Virtual Box. The shared clipboard and automatic full
> screen don't seem to be available. It looks like this may be on the way
> later this year - https://blogs.technet.microsof
> t.com/virtualization/2018/02/28/sneak-peek-taking-a-spin-wit
> h-enhanced-linux-vms/
>
> Conversion steps for OSGeoLive 11.0 vmdk for reference are as follows:
>
> - Download the Microsoft Virtual Machine Converter 3.0 from
> https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=42497 and install
> - Download the "DS File Ops Kit" from http://members.ozemail.com.au/
> ~nulifetv/freezip/freeware/dsfok.zip and unzip
> - Open PowerShell (with admin rights)
> - Run the following command to get the disk descriptor from the OSGeoLive
> vmdk:
>
> cd D:\osgeo-live-11.0-vm
> D:\tools\dsfo.exe .\osgeo-live-11.0-vm.vmdk 512 1024 descriptor1.txt
>
> - This saves the disk description to the "descriptor1.txt" file. Open this
> in Notepad / a text editor and comment out the following lines (using
> hashes). This metadata is VirtualBox specific and is not recognised by the
> converter.
>
> 

Re: [OSGeoLive] Hyper-V VMs

[Seth G]

Hi Angelos,

I've added the VM conversion details to the pull request. 
There is quite a lot of content in the Hyper-V page so adding it to the
VirtualBox page may make it more confusing (in my view). A link to the
page on the Virtual Box page rather than the main index should be enough
without cluttering up the main index? 
Also to note there seems to be a CSS issue with code directives in lists
(they are indented too far to the right).You can see an example of this at
https://live.osgeo.org/en/quickstart/istsos_quickstart.html - in the
"Add new observations" section.Removing the li div.highlight class from the 
overview.css file
fixes 
thishttps://github.com/OSGeo/OSGeoLive-doc/blob/master/doc/_themes/overview/static/overview.css
Should I include this as part of the pull request or make a new
issue/pull request?
Seth

--
web:http://geographika.co.uk
twitter: @geographika


On Thu, May 17, 2018, at 5:44 PM, Angelos Tzotsos wrote:
> Hi Seth,
> 
> Thank for the pull request. I actually had in mind that you would
> describe how to convert the image to the hyper-V format and add this
> as a section in the generic virtualization quickstart...> Do others feel we 
> should include a new page for Hyper-V?
> Personally I would like to avoid duplication of data on SF (those
> guys are very kind with us and the disk space we occupy on their
> mirrors so far).> 
> Best,
> Angelos
> 
> On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 1:42 AM, Seth G
>  wrote:>> __
>> Hi Angelos/list,
>> 
>> Pull request created at
>> https://github.com/OSGeo/OSGeoLive-doc/pull/371 - as its my first
>> contribution to the project please let me know if there are any steps
>> I've missed out.>> The quickstart would rely on a converted vhdx disk image. 
>> The
>> conversion process is probably too complicated to put in a
>> quickstart guide.>> Let me know if I can help creating/uploading a converted 
>> vhdx to
>> SourceForge.>> 
>> On a separate note the wiki page at
>> https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OSGeoLive seemed to have broken links to
>> this mailing list. I updated them, but not sure if this had to be
>> reviewed first. I'm happy to revert if this is the case.>> 
>> Seth
>> 
>> --
>> web:http://geographika.co.uk
>> twitter: @geographika
>> 
>> 
>> On Fri, May 11, 2018, at 12:20 PM, Angelos Tzotsos wrote:
>>> Thanks for the feedback Seth.
>>> 
>>> I think it would be valuable to document the above steps in our VM
>>> Quickstart on a section for Hyper-V users.>>> 
>>> https://live.osgeo.org/en/quickstart/virtualization_quickstart.html>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> Angelos
>>> 
>>> On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 10:43 PM, Seth G 
>>> wrote: Hi Brian,
 
 Thanks for getting back to me. I've been trying out the conversion
 process using MS tools to avoid reliance on software, that whilst
 currently free, may not be in the future (the
 https://www.starwindsoftware.com/converter). Full steps are at the
 end of the email. 
 I'm fine with disabling Hyper-V for upcoming workshops - but it may
 make things a little easier for users in Windows environments to
 work directly with Hyper-V in the future. 
 The resultant .vhdx file is 10.3 GB. Using 7-zip this produces a
 3.2 GB file. This is essentially the same as the VirtualBox HD
 file, but in Hyper-V format. It can then be used directly in Hyper-
 V on Windows 10 Professional (and presumably other versions). I'd
 be happy to create the vhdx file for Sourceforge and a Hyper-V
 installation page for the docs if people think this is worthwhile
 addition to the OSGeoLive project (and should be able to do the
 same for the v12 planned in the summer). 
 One drawback with Hyper-V / Lubuntu is there is no equivalent to
 the "Guest Additions" of Virtual Box. The shared clipboard and
 automatic full screen don't seem to be available. It looks like
 this may be on the way later this year -
 https://blogs.technet.microsoft.com/virtualization/2018/02/28/sneak-peek-taking-a-spin-with-enhanced-linux-vms/
  
 Conversion steps for OSGeoLive 11.0 vmdk for reference are as
 follows: 
 - Download the Microsoft Virtual Machine Converter 3.0 from
   https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=42497
   and install - Download the "DS File Ops Kit" from
   http://members.ozemail.com.au/~nulifetv/freezip/freeware/dsfok.zip
   and unzip - Open PowerShell (with admin rights)
 - Run the following command to get the disk descriptor from the
   OSGeoLive vmdk: 
 cd D:\osgeo-live-11.0-vm
 D:\tools\dsfo.exe .\osgeo-live-11.0-vm.vmdk 512 1024
   descriptor1.txt 
 - This saves the disk description to the "descriptor1.txt" file.
   Open this in Notepad / a text editor and comment out the
   following lines (using hashes). This metadata is VirtualBox
   specific and is not recognised by the converter. 
 

Re: [OSGeoLive] Hyper-V VMs

[Angelos Tzotsos]

Hi Seth,

Thank for the pull request. I actually had in mind that you would describe
how to convert the image to the hyper-V format and add this as a section in
the generic virtualization quickstart...
Do others feel we should include a new page for Hyper-V?
Personally I would like to avoid duplication of data on SF (those guys are
very kind with us and the disk space we occupy on their mirrors so far).

Best,
Angelos

On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 1:42 AM, Seth G  wrote:

> Hi Angelos/list,
>
> Pull request created at https://github.com/OSGeo/OSGeoLive-doc/pull/371 -
> as its my first contribution to the project please let me know if there are
> any steps I've missed out.
> The quickstart would rely on a converted vhdx disk image. The conversion
> process is probably too complicated to put in a quickstart guide.
> Let me know if I can help creating/uploading a converted vhdx to
> SourceForge.
>
> On a separate note the wiki page at https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OSGeoLive 
> seemed
> to have broken links to this mailing list. I updated them, but not sure if
> this had to be reviewed first. I'm happy to revert if this is the case.
>
> Seth
>
> --
> web:http://geographika.co.uk
> twitter: @geographika
>
>
> On Fri, May 11, 2018, at 12:20 PM, Angelos Tzotsos wrote:
>
> Thanks for the feedback Seth.
>
> I think it would be valuable to document the above steps in our VM
> Quickstart on a section for Hyper-V users.
> https://live.osgeo.org/en/quickstart/virtualization_quickstart.html
>
> Best,
> Angelos
>
> On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 10:43 PM, Seth G  wrote:
>
> Hi Brian,
>
> Thanks for getting back to me. I've been trying out the conversion process
> using MS tools to avoid reliance on software, that whilst currently free,
> may not be in the future (the https://www.starwindsoftware.com/converter).
> Full steps are at the end of the email.
>
> I'm fine with disabling Hyper-V for upcoming workshops - but it may make
> things a little easier for users in Windows environments to work directly
> with Hyper-V in the future.
>
> The resultant .vhdx file is 10.3 GB. Using 7-zip this produces a 3.2 GB
> file. This is essentially the same as the VirtualBox HD file, but in
> Hyper-V format. It can then be used directly in Hyper-V on Windows 10
> Professional (and presumably other versions). I'd be happy to create the
> vhdx file for Sourceforge and a Hyper-V installation page for the docs if
> people think this is worthwhile addition to the OSGeoLive project (and
> should be able to do the same for the v12 planned in the summer).
>
> One drawback with Hyper-V / Lubuntu is there is no equivalent to the
> "Guest Additions" of Virtual Box. The shared clipboard and automatic full
> screen don't seem to be available. It looks like this may be on the way
> later this year - https://blogs.technet.microsof
> t.com/virtualization/2018/02/28/sneak-peek-taking-a-spin-
> with-enhanced-linux-vms/
>
> Conversion steps for OSGeoLive 11.0 vmdk for reference are as follows:
>
> - Download the Microsoft Virtual Machine Converter 3.0 from
> https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=42497 and install
> - Download the "DS File Ops Kit" from http://members.ozemail.com.au/
> ~nulifetv/freezip/freeware/dsfok.zip and unzip
> - Open PowerShell (with admin rights)
> - Run the following command to get the disk descriptor from the OSGeoLive
> vmdk:
>
> cd D:\osgeo-live-11.0-vm
> D:\tools\dsfo.exe .\osgeo-live-11.0-vm.vmdk 512 1024 descriptor1.txt
>
> - This saves the disk description to the "descriptor1.txt" file. Open this
> in Notepad / a text editor and comment out the following lines (using
> hashes). This metadata is VirtualBox specific and is not recognised by the
> converter.
>
> #ddb.uuid.image="0247ca9d-f9aa-4910-9e8c-1c14d83a7749"
> #ddb.uuid.parent="----"
> #ddb.uuid.modification="81a1d704-3e4a-443d-a5ca-2fd085ba086a"
> #ddb.uuid.parentmodification="----"
> #ddb.comment=""
>
> - Run the following command to insert the disk descriptor back into the
> .vmdk
>
> D:\tools\dsfi.exe .\osgeo-live-11.0-vm.vmdk 512 1024 descriptor1.txt
>
> Failing to do the above steps will result in the error
> "ConvertTo-MvmcVirtualHardDisk : The entry 
> 0247ca9d-f9aa-4910-9e8c-1c14d83a7749
> is not a supported disk database entry for the descriptor."
>
> - Finally run the conversion process:
>
> Import-Module "C:\Program Files\Microsoft Virtual Machine
> Converter\MvmcCmdlet.psd1"
> cd D:\osgeo-live-11.0-vm
> ConvertTo-MvmcVirtualHardDisk -SourceLiteralPath .\osgeo-live-11.0-vm.vmdk
> -VhdFormat Vhdx
>
> Above steps based on https://stackoverflow.com/a/49768353/179520 and
> http://semantive.com/converting-ova-vm-to-hyper-v-format/
>
> Regards,
>
> Seth
>
> --
> web:http://geographika.co.uk
> twitter: @geographika
>
> On Thu, May 10, 2018, at 6:26 PM, Brian M Hamlin wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, 10 May 2018 18:01:47 0200, Seth G 

Re: [OSGeoLive] Hyper-V VMs

[Angelos Tzotsos]

Thanks for the feedback Seth.

I think it would be valuable to document the above steps in our VM
Quickstart on a section for Hyper-V users.
https://live.osgeo.org/en/quickstart/virtualization_quickstart.html

Best,
Angelos

On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 10:43 PM, Seth G  wrote:

> Hi Brian,
>
> Thanks for getting back to me. I've been trying out the conversion process
> using MS tools to avoid reliance on software, that whilst currently free,
> may not be in the future (the https://www.starwindsoftware.com/converter).
> Full steps are at the end of the email.
>
> I'm fine with disabling Hyper-V for upcoming workshops - but it may make
> things a little easier for users in Windows environments to work directly
> with Hyper-V in the future.
>
> The resultant .vhdx file is 10.3 GB. Using 7-zip this produces a 3.2 GB
> file. This is essentially the same as the VirtualBox HD file, but in
> Hyper-V format. It can then be used directly in Hyper-V on Windows 10
> Professional (and presumably other versions). I'd be happy to create the
> vhdx file for Sourceforge and a Hyper-V installation page for the docs if
> people think this is worthwhile addition to the OSGeoLive project (and
> should be able to do the same for the v12 planned in the summer).
>
> One drawback with Hyper-V / Lubuntu is there is no equivalent to the
> "Guest Additions" of Virtual Box. The shared clipboard and automatic full
> screen don't seem to be available. It looks like this may be on the way
> later this year - https://blogs.technet.microsoft.com/virtualization/
> 2018/02/28/sneak-peek-taking-a-spin-with-enhanced-linux-vms/
>
> Conversion steps for OSGeoLive 11.0 vmdk for reference are as follows:
>
> - Download the Microsoft Virtual Machine Converter 3.0 from
> https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=42497 and install
> - Download the "DS File Ops Kit" from http://members.ozemail.com.au/
> ~nulifetv/freezip/freeware/dsfok.zip and unzip
> - Open PowerShell (with admin rights)
> - Run the following command to get the disk descriptor from the OSGeoLive
> vmdk:
>
> cd D:\osgeo-live-11.0-vm
> D:\tools\dsfo.exe .\osgeo-live-11.0-vm.vmdk 512 1024 descriptor1.txt
>
> - This saves the disk description to the "descriptor1.txt" file. Open this
> in Notepad / a text editor and comment out the following lines (using
> hashes). This metadata is VirtualBox specific and is not recognised by the
> converter.
>
> #ddb.uuid.image="0247ca9d-f9aa-4910-9e8c-1c14d83a7749"
> #ddb.uuid.parent="----"
> #ddb.uuid.modification="81a1d704-3e4a-443d-a5ca-2fd085ba086a"
> #ddb.uuid.parentmodification="----"
> #ddb.comment=""
>
> - Run the following command to insert the disk descriptor back into the
> .vmdk
>
> D:\tools\dsfi.exe .\osgeo-live-11.0-vm.vmdk 512 1024 descriptor1.txt
>
> Failing to do the above steps will result in the error
> "ConvertTo-MvmcVirtualHardDisk : The entry 
> 0247ca9d-f9aa-4910-9e8c-1c14d83a7749
> is not a supported disk database entry for the descriptor."
>
> - Finally run the conversion process:
>
> Import-Module "C:\Program Files\Microsoft Virtual Machine
> Converter\MvmcCmdlet.psd1"
> cd D:\osgeo-live-11.0-vm
> ConvertTo-MvmcVirtualHardDisk -SourceLiteralPath .\osgeo-live-11.0-vm.vmdk
> -VhdFormat Vhdx
>
> Above steps based on https://stackoverflow.com/a/49768353/179520 and
> http://semantive.com/converting-ova-vm-to-hyper-v-format/
>
> Regards,
>
> Seth
>
> --
> web:http://geographika.co.uk
> twitter: @geographika
>
> On Thu, May 10, 2018, at 6:26 PM, Brian M Hamlin wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, 10 May 2018 18:01:47 0200, Seth G 
> wrote:
> > > Hi list,
> > >
> > > I'm currently preparing a Python workshop for the OSGeo Ireland
> > > meetup, using OSGeo Live as the training environment - it is an
> > > exceptional resource.
> >
> >   Hi Seth
> >
> > > Several users have Windows 10 Professional machines which are enabled
> > > to run Hyper-V, Microsoft's virtualisation software. If this is
> > > enabled then VirtualBox doesn't have a x64 option for creating new
> > > Linux machines. This feature can be disabled at the command line, or
> > > using the https://unclassified.software/en/apps/hypervswitch tool
> > > which automates this.
> > Either option requires a reboot, and means using Hyper-V VMs would
> > require enabling the setting and another reboot.
> >
> >   ok, new to me, but if I understand, Windows 10 plus Hyper-V has some
> > 'features' which prevent people from executing a VM ..
> > a small tool works around this..
> >
> > > An alternative is to run the VM under Hyper-V, but this requires
> > > converting the .vmdk HD to .vhd. There are a few commandline options
> > > and hacks around to do this but only the
> > > https://www.starwindsoftware.com/converter option worked for me. The
> > > converted OSGeoLive VM then ran fine on Hyper-V.
> >
> >   So, you take the VirtualBox VM setup, and then convert just the disk

Re: [OSGeoLive] Hyper-V VMs

[Brian M Hamlin]

 
On Thu, 10 May 2018 18:01:47 0200, Seth G  wrote:

Hi list,

I'm currently preparing a Python workshop for the OSGeo Ireland 
meetup, using OSGeo Live as the training environment - it is an 
exceptional resource. 

 
  Hi Seth
 
Several users have Windows 10 Professional machines which are enabled 
to run Hyper-V, Microsoft's virtualisation software. If this is 
enabled then VirtualBox doesn't have a x64 option for creating new 
Linux machines. This feature can be disabled at the command line, or 
using the https://unclassified.software/en/apps/hypervswitch tool 
which automates this. 
Either option requires a reboot, and means using Hyper-V VMs would 
require enabling the setting and another reboot. 
 
  ok, new to me, but if I understand, Windows 10 plus Hyper-V has some 
'features' which prevent people from executing a VM .. 
a small tool works around this.. 

An alternative is to run the VM under Hyper-V, but this requires 
converting the .vmdk HD to .vhd. There are a few commandline options 
and hacks around to do this but only the 
https://www.starwindsoftware.com/converter option worked for me. The 
converted OSGeoLive VM then ran fine on Hyper-V. 

 
  So, you take the VirtualBox VM setup, and then convert just the disk 
image ?  and the result runs without more steps under Hyper-V ?


Is there an option of adding this download to 
https://sourceforge.net/projects/osgeo-live/files/11.0/ ? It would be 
another large file to host, and would likely need to be done manually 
for each release. 

 
   Yes, a new file could be added to sourceforge.. What is it and do 
we want it is the next part  :-)

 

Are final builds / uploading to SourceForge currently a manual process?

 
   builds and uploads are automated with manual steps, might be one 
way to say it.. 
What is the time frame for your setup? 

 
  This is the first time anyone has requested Hyper-V support, that I 
know of.. 
 


--
Brian M Hamlin
OSGeo California
blog.light42.com

 

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