Re: [OSList] OST facilitation technique: too prescriptive?

[Dan Mezick via OSList]

The last time I facilitated was in India and I just let it ride. It seemed to 
work.

The wider issue is the requisite level of suggestion


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> On Jan 30, 2018, at 10:25 PM, Tom Brown via OSList 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> I love when those attending take on this self policing roll.  What we are 
> going for is self organization.  
> 
> --Tom Brown
> tgb...@gmail.com
> 
> 
> On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 5:48 PM, Chuni Li via OSList 
>  wrote:
> Hi Dan,
> 
> "Please return to your seat after posting your session" is actually in my 
> script.
> The fact that I say this doesn't mean chatting won't happen around the market 
> place. But I think it's fine to state this request out of respect.
> What often happens is when it gets to noisy and people can't hear the new 
> announcements, someone will always shout out to quiet the noise.
> 
> Chuni
> 
>> On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 4:17 PM, Daniel Mezick via OSList 
>>  wrote:
>> Greetings All,
>> 
>> Lately I am noticing that, at the end of the building of Marketplace, more 
>> than 1/2 or even 2/3 of the people may be milling around out of their seats 
>> by the Marketplace chatting while the last 10 or 15 sessions are getting 
>> announced and going to the wall. It can get loud, and sometimes the last few 
>> folks do not really get heard.
>> 
>> So I'm thinking of telling all the folks, as we start announcing topics, 
>> "...After you post your session to the Marketplace, we ask you to please 
>> return to your seat, to experience and hear the announcing of the rest of 
>> the sessions. After all the announcements of all of the sessions slows down, 
>> we'll declare the Marketplace open, leave our seats, and go to work. Thanks."
>> 
>> Assume there are 275-300 people in this situation. 
>> 
>> If you have experience, I have 2 questions for you: 
>> 
>> Is asking the folks to return to their seats too prescriptive in your view? 
>> Why or why not?
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Daniel Mezick
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[OSList] Yukking it up in the center of the circle

[Daniel Mezick via OSList]

Lately I just (at the end of the beginning) place the mic in the center 
of the circle real slow and then vacate.


Is walking away a productive act? Is it better to stay in the center?

If so why? If not why not?

Is vacating bad form?

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Re: [OSList] OST facilitation technique: too prescriptive?

[Tom Brown via OSList]

I love when those attending take on this self policing roll. What we are 
going for is self organization.


--Tom Brown tgb...@gmail.com


On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 5:48 PM, Chuni Li via OSList 
 wrote:

Hi Dan,
"Please return to your seat after posting your session" is actually in my 
script. The fact that I say this doesn't mean chatting won't happen around 
the market place. But I think it's fine to state this request out of 
respect. What often happens is when it gets to noisy and people can't hear 
the new announcements, someone will always shout out to quiet the noise.

Chuni
On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 4:17 PM, Daniel Mezick via OSList < 
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org [oslist@lists.openspacetech.org] > wrote:

Greetings All,

Lately I am noticing that, at the end of the building of Marketplace, more 
than 1/2 or even 2/3 of the people may be milling around out of their seats 
by the Marketplace chatting while the last 10 or 15 sessions are getting 
announced and going to the wall. It can get loud, and sometimes the last 
few folks do not really get heard.


So I'm thinking of telling all the folks, as we start announcing topics, 
"...After you post your session to the Marketplace, we ask you to please 
return to your seat, to experience and hear the announcing of the rest of 
the sessions. After all the announcements of all of the sessions slows 
down, we'll declare the Marketplace open, leave our seats, and go to work. 
Thanks."


Assume there are 275-300 people in this situation.

If you have experience, I have 2 questions for you:

Is asking the folks to return to their seats too prescriptive in your view? 
Why or why not?




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Culture Strategist. Author. Keynoter.
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Re: [OSList] OST facilitation technique: too prescriptive?

[Tom Brown via OSList]

Daniel,
I have seen this behavior for sure with larger groups. And the chat fest that 
can happens at the marketplace while other folks are trying to announce their 
sessions can be disruptive to folks who announce later in the process.
I have not implemented a solution to this, although I have noted the 
opportunity for improvement.
I think that it is worth the empirical test to see if a direct request closes 
the space or opens the space for others to hear and be heard. It’s my opinion 
that once the problem has occurred late in the building of the marketplace, it 
is probably to late to do what is needed. It’s my opinion almost anything you 
say may close the space. As the facilitator your are “taking control ” if you 
add an rule of decorum at the moment the problem occurs.
I can imagine that the reason you are interested in requesting this behavior on 
the part of participants. Is that you are requesting that folks respect one 
another enough to listen to their ideas, that they are taking the courage to 
share with the group. For some this may be difficult.
Instead of waiting till the problem occurs late in the market place 
construction you might try something like the following.
As part of the description about the process. … * Come up put your ideas down 
on one of their pieces of paper. * Put your name on the sheet. * Standup and 
say your session title and name to the whole group. * Find a time for your 
session and drop if off in the market place.
Nothing unusual here.
Then you might add.
Everyone has an important roll during this phase even if you are not suggesting 
a topic. Please listen carefully to all of the ideas as they are bing 
suggested. We would like you to make sure that the important ideas are being 
suggested. This can be used to drive prompting late in the in gathering of 
ideas. Is there anyone who has though of an idea that has not been suggested. 
We would value you stepping forward with that idea ….
Now when the opportunity of move folks from the market place come up. You have 
put a rule into the game that very easily allows you to very gently welcome 
folks back to the circle to listen to the remaining ideas in order to make sure 
that all of the important issues have been raised.
Just my $0.02. I’ve not done well with this in the past. What do others think?
If anyone implements this or typically does this. I would love to hear any 
results.
--Tom Brown tgb...@gmail.com


On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 4:17 PM, Daniel Mezick via OSList 
 wrote:
Greetings All,

Lately I am noticing that, at the end of the building of Marketplace, more than 
1/2 or even 2/3 of the people may be milling around out of their seats by the 
Marketplace chatting while the last 10 or 15 sessions are getting announced and 
going to the wall. It can get loud, and sometimes the last few folks do not 
really get heard.

So I'm thinking of telling all the folks, as we start announcing topics, 
"...After you post your session to the Marketplace, we ask you to please return 
to your seat, to experience and hear the announcing of the rest of the 
sessions. After all the announcements of all of the sessions slows down, we'll 
declare the Marketplace open, leave our seats, and go to work. Thanks."

Assume there are 275-300 people in this situation.

If you have experience, I have 2 questions for you:

Is asking the folks to return to their seats too prescriptive in your view? Why 
or why not?



--
Daniel Mezick
Culture Strategist. Author. Keynoter.
(203) 915 7248. Bio. [http://www.DanielMezick.com/] Blog. 
[http://www.NewTechUSA.net/blog/] Twitter. [https://twitter.com/DanielMezick]
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Re: [OSList] OST encourages avoidance of conflict

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On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 8:20 PM, Jeff Aitken via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> A favorite quote from Chris C when researching my dissertation was his
> description of regular folks being like 'Taoist masters' working with
> conflict in open space.
>
> They engage awhile, things heat up, they may cool off by going to the
> coffee table awhile and talking hockey (in Canada), then back into the
> fray. Fun and potent image of the Law in interaction.
>
> Jeff
> San Francisco
>
> On Jan 30, 2018 4:46 PM, "Michael Herman via OSList" <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
>> I think I disagree with Dave on this. I only know his position from
>> what's been reported here, but I have met and listened to him speak. He
>> strikes me as quite a bit better than most at carving boundaries for
>> himself and that, I think, might color his experience of the encouragements
>> OS does give to resolve rather than avoid conflict.
>>
>> We've noticed many times before that OS implies a higher level of
>> exposure for people than other ways of working. We've also noticed the deep
>> connections between groups, i.e. "They're all talking about the same
>> stuff," (in all the different breakouts). And when we go around the circle,
>> everyone hears and speaks to everyone. there's a high level of authenticity
>> that invites people to join and match.
>>
>> In other words, where there are real conflicts, I think OS makes it
>> pretty hard to hide from them, even as it gives lots of room and options
>> for navigating them. If the purpose doesn't require they be settled, then
>> the work can proceed. If it does require resolution, the exposure and
>> connection and purpose will push for that.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 18:14 Harold Shinsato via OSList <
>> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Chris,
>>>
>>> Thanks for giving more detail about Snowden's thinking. I didn't want to
>>> mention his name without a fuller context as you have provided. I also
>>> disagree with his assessment of OST as a convergence tool. I've not seen
>>> happiness come from trying to squeeze convergence out of an OST event.
>>>
>>> I can't critique Snowden's disagreement with OST as an all purpose
>>> 'tool', though for me I have found great value in Harrison's wisdom about
>>> Open Space as not being a tool. I see Open Space as something I feel I
>>> experience in most Open Space Technology events, but they're not really the
>>> same thing. Given that distinction, "Open some space" does seem a valid all
>>> purpose approach. Even if that doesn't necessarily look like a formal Open
>>> Space Technology event.
>>>
>>>
>>> Harold
>>>
>>>
>>> On 1/30/18 4:44 PM, Chris Corrigan wrote:
>>>
>>> The well known management guru is David Snowden and his principle
>>> criticism against OST is the same as it is for every other method. It is
>>> not a panacea for every problem.
>>>
>>> More specifically, Dave’s issue as I understand it, is that groups
>>> operate within constraints. There are times when those constraints need to
>>> be tightly bound in order for things to happen and other times when they
>>> need to be relaxed.
>>>
>>> In situations in which you are developing new things conflict and
>>> diversity are helpful. Sometimes it helps to have a process in which people
>>> of differing perspectives are engaged in a tight container together to make
>>> something better. Open Space does not always do this, so if you need a
>>> required level of diversity (and conflict doesn’t always mean a fight) then
>>> OST might not be the best way to do it.
>>>
>>> I agree with this. Sometimes you need a formal negotiation structure to
>>> reach a decision. Sometimes you need expert opinions engaged in a
>>> deliberated and structured and way to do due diligence.
>>>
>>> Dave has other concerns with Open Space that I think he’s wrong about
>>> (that it is a convergence process for example) and I’ve talked with him
>>> extensively about that. But anyone who think that Dave believes Open Space
>>> doesn’t have utility is also wrong. He believes that it’s useful for
>>> 

Re: [OSList] Thank you Suzanne (the movie) !!!

[agusj via OSList]

Woow! Great video! 
Suzanne, 
I did not know all your contributions to the OS community. I am very impressed! 
Thanks a lot!!
Warm regards,
Agustin

  From: Harold Shinsato via OSList 
 To: oslist@lists.openspacetech.org 
Cc: Harold Shinsato 
 Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 5:43 PM
 Subject: [OSList] Thank you Suzanne (the movie) !!!
   
  We love you Suzanne Daigle!
 
 Linda Stevenson, Tricia Chirumbole, Karen Davis, Kevin O'Brien, Mark Sheffield 
& I recorded a short video to thank Suzanne for all her work as a member of the 
Board of the Open Space Institute of the U.S.
 
 We had a lot of fun making it. We showed it to those of you who came to our 
Annual Membership online Open Space last December, and I promised my fellow 
board members that I would embarrass Suzanne yet again by sharing this with the 
OSList.
 
 The video is a kind of Karaoke on top of "We are the World" that we re-wrote 
as "We are Open Space". The music is shown over the beautiful graphic recording 
work of April Doner.
 
 If you want to see the short version (2.5 minutes) go here:
 
 https://youtu.be/73i0-2s0laI
 
 You won't miss any of our singing with the short version, but if you really 
want to absorb April Doner's beautiful artwork, which is where we illustrate 
Suzanne's contributions, watch the extended cut (6.5 minutes) which you can 
enjoy here:
 
 https://youtu.be/iIfJIRFdhp0
 
 And it hadn't happened yet, so it's not in the video, but thank you Suzanne 
for helping the 2018 Opening Space for Peace and High Performance in New York 
this month being so awesome!
 
     Blessings!
     Harold
 
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Re: [OSList] OST encourages avoidance of conflict

[Michael Herman via OSList]

I think I disagree with Dave on this. I only know his position from what's
been reported here, but I have met and listened to him speak. He strikes me
as quite a bit better than most at carving boundaries for himself and that,
I think, might color his experience of the encouragements OS does give to
resolve rather than avoid conflict.

We've noticed many times before that OS implies a higher level of exposure
for people than other ways of working. We've also noticed the deep
connections between groups, i.e. "They're all talking about the same
stuff," (in all the different breakouts). And when we go around the circle,
everyone hears and speaks to everyone. there's a high level of authenticity
that invites people to join and match.

In other words, where there are real conflicts, I think OS makes it pretty
hard to hide from them, even as it gives lots of room and options for
navigating them. If the purpose doesn't require they be settled, then the
work can proceed. If it does require resolution, the exposure and
connection and purpose will push for that.





On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 18:14 Harold Shinsato via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> Hi Chris,
>
> Thanks for giving more detail about Snowden's thinking. I didn't want to
> mention his name without a fuller context as you have provided. I also
> disagree with his assessment of OST as a convergence tool. I've not seen
> happiness come from trying to squeeze convergence out of an OST event.
>
> I can't critique Snowden's disagreement with OST as an all purpose 'tool',
> though for me I have found great value in Harrison's wisdom about Open
> Space as not being a tool. I see Open Space as something I feel I
> experience in most Open Space Technology events, but they're not really the
> same thing. Given that distinction, "Open some space" does seem a valid all
> purpose approach. Even if that doesn't necessarily look like a formal Open
> Space Technology event.
>
>
> Harold
>
>
> On 1/30/18 4:44 PM, Chris Corrigan wrote:
>
> The well known management guru is David Snowden and his principle
> criticism against OST is the same as it is for every other method. It is
> not a panacea for every problem.
>
> More specifically, Dave’s issue as I understand it, is that groups operate
> within constraints. There are times when those constraints need to be
> tightly bound in order for things to happen and other times when they need
> to be relaxed.
>
> In situations in which you are developing new things conflict and
> diversity are helpful. Sometimes it helps to have a process in which people
> of differing perspectives are engaged in a tight container together to make
> something better. Open Space does not always do this, so if you need a
> required level of diversity (and conflict doesn’t always mean a fight) then
> OST might not be the best way to do it.
>
> I agree with this. Sometimes you need a formal negotiation structure to
> reach a decision. Sometimes you need expert opinions engaged in a
> deliberated and structured and way to do due diligence.
>
> Dave has other concerns with Open Space that I think he’s wrong about
> (that it is a convergence process for example) and I’ve talked with him
> extensively about that. But anyone who think that Dave believes Open Space
> doesn’t have utility is also wrong. He believes that it’s useful for
> certain things in certain contexts and not in others. On that we all agree,
> I would think.
>
> Chris.
>
> _
> CHRIS CORRIGAN
> www.chriscorrigan.com
>
> On Jan 30, 2018, at 2:24 PM, Harold Shinsato via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
> Daniel,
>
> Interesting concern. I think I remember hearing this from a well respected
> management guru as a critique of Open Space. I can't help but wonder the
> following:
>
> - How well do individual adults resolve conflicts when an authority figure
> forces them?
> - How well do conflicting peoples or tribal communities resolve conflicts
> when they are forcibly held together by an imperial force (think Rome,
> USSR, pre-partition India, etc etc etc)
>
> If you are dealing with children or developmentally challenged individuals
> - especially those who have violated others rights are are in prison - I
> can imagine there being some value to some level of compulsion or coercion
> here. But even there, it may temporarily resolve the fighting and damage,
> but not the children's growth.
>
> If you are dealing with severe human rights being violated in tribal
> scenarios, I can see how that might justify gunboat diplomacy. But I can't
> imagine the tribal system will evolve to respect human rights without a
> huge additional investment from the gunboat diplomats. And it is all too
> likely that such interference may not only cause even bigger problems later
> on, but can also encourage exploitation of the less developed
> tribe/community.
>
> Thanks for asking this question!
>
> Harold
>
>
> On 1/30/18 2:07 PM, Daniel Mezick via 

Re: [OSList] OST facilitation technique: too prescriptive?

[Michael Herman via OSList]

I do this all the time, not prescribing but requesting, and always
explaining that it's for the benefit of those announcing and trying to get
to the wall to post topics. It's a request for looking out for others. It's
removing an obstacle.

M



On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 17:49 Thomas Herrmann via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> Hi Dan
> I do ask people to return to their seat afternposting a topic. I also ask
> participants to start by making a brutto list of topics, divided on the
> different time slots of course, before starting any negotiations, merge or
> moving of topics.
> I think the magic focus when waiting for more topics, often in total
> silence, is special and it may be important to some of the participants.
> Cheers
> Thomas
>
> Skickat från min iPhone
>
> 31 jan. 2018 kl. 09:48 skrev Chuni Li via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org>:
>
> Hi Dan,
>
> "Please return to your seat after posting your session" is actually in my
> script.
> The fact that I say this doesn't mean chatting won't happen around the
> market place. But I think it's fine to state this request out of respect.
> What often happens is when it gets to noisy and people can't hear the new
> announcements, someone will always shout out to quiet the noise.
>
> Chuni
>
> On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 4:17 PM, Daniel Mezick via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
>> Greetings All,
>>
>> Lately I am noticing that, at the end of the building of Marketplace,
>> more than 1/2 or even 2/3 of the people may be milling around out of their
>> seats by the Marketplace chatting while the last 10 or 15 sessions are
>> getting announced and going to the wall. It can get loud, and sometimes the
>> last few folks do not really get heard.
>>
>> So I'm thinking of telling all the folks, as we start announcing topics,
>> "...After you post your session to the Marketplace, we ask you to please
>> return to your seat, to experience and hear the announcing of the rest of
>> the sessions. After all the announcements of all of the sessions slows
>> down, we'll declare the Marketplace open, leave our seats, and go to work.
>> Thanks."
>>
>> Assume there are 275-300 people in this situation.
>>
>> If you have experience, I have 2 questions for you:
>>
>> Is asking the folks to return to their seats too prescriptive in your
>> view? Why or why not?
>>
>> --
>> Daniel Mezick
>> Culture Strategist. Author. Keynoter.
>> (203) 915 7248 <(203)%20915-7248>. Bio. 
>> Blog.  Twitter.
>> 
>> Book: The Culture Game. 
>> Book: The OpenSpace Agility Handbook.
>> 
>>
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Re: [OSList] OST encourages avoidance of conflict

[Harold Shinsato via OSList]

Hi Chris,

Thanks for giving more detail about Snowden's thinking. I didn't want to 
mention his name without a fuller context as you have provided. I also 
disagree with his assessment of OST as a convergence tool. I've not seen 
happiness come from trying to squeeze convergence out of an OST event.


I can't critique Snowden's disagreement with OST as an all purpose 
'tool', though for me I have found great value in Harrison's wisdom 
about Open Space as not being a tool. I see Open Space as something I 
feel I experience in most Open Space Technology events, but they're not 
really the same thing. Given that distinction, "Open some space" does 
seem a valid all purpose approach. Even if that doesn't necessarily look 
like a formal Open Space Technology event.


    Harold

On 1/30/18 4:44 PM, Chris Corrigan wrote:
The well known management guru is David Snowden and his principle 
criticism against OST is the same as it is for every other method. It 
is not a panacea for every problem.


More specifically, Dave’s issue as I understand it, is that groups 
operate within constraints. There are times when those constraints 
need to be tightly bound in order for things to happen and other times 
when they need to be relaxed.


In situations in which you are developing new things conflict and 
diversity are helpful. Sometimes it helps to have a process in which 
people of differing perspectives are engaged in a tight container 
together to make something better. Open Space does not always do this, 
so if you need a required level of diversity (and conflict doesn’t 
always mean a fight) then OST might not be the best way to do it.


I agree with this. Sometimes you need a formal negotiation structure 
to reach a decision. Sometimes you need expert opinions engaged in a 
deliberated and structured and way to do due diligence.


Dave has other concerns with Open Space that I think he’s wrong about 
(that it is a convergence process for example) and I’ve talked with 
him extensively about that. But anyone who think that Dave believes 
Open Space doesn’t have utility is also wrong. He believes that it’s 
useful for certain things in certain contexts and not in others. On 
that we all agree, I would think.


Chris.

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On Jan 30, 2018, at 2:24 PM, Harold Shinsato via OSList 
> wrote:



Daniel,

Interesting concern. I think I remember hearing this from a well 
respected management guru as a critique of Open Space. I can't help 
but wonder the following:


- How well do individual adults resolve conflicts when an authority 
figure forces them?
- How well do conflicting peoples or tribal communities resolve 
conflicts when they are forcibly held together by an imperial force 
(think Rome, USSR, pre-partition India, etc etc etc)


If you are dealing with children or developmentally challenged 
individuals - especially those who have violated others rights are 
are in prison - I can imagine there being some value to some level of 
compulsion or coercion here. But even there, it may temporarily 
resolve the fighting and damage, but not the children's growth.


If you are dealing with severe human rights being violated in tribal 
scenarios, I can see how that might justify gunboat diplomacy. But I 
can't imagine the tribal system will evolve to respect human rights 
without a huge additional investment from the gunboat diplomats. And 
it is all too likely that such interference may not only cause even 
bigger problems later on, but can also encourage exploitation of the 
less developed tribe/community.


Thanks for asking this question!

    Harold


On 1/30/18 2:07 PM, Daniel Mezick via OSList wrote:


I am hearing this pointed criticism from some quarters: That OST 
actually encourages conflict-avoidance via the Law of 2 Feet. In 
other words, people who need to be resolving conflict (or at least 
discussing it) can just avoid the touchy topic... and each other.


Could this actually be true? If not why not?


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Re: [OSList] OST encourages avoidance of conflict

[Chris Altmikus @ iDeA-Link via OSList]

Mmmh, in my experience this is neither a question of format nor one of the law of the two feet. Let me develop on the latter first: The law of the two feet tells us to do what we can to best contribute from inside ourselves. In my eyes this completely embraces dealing with diversity, difference, different perspectives, disagreement, tension as well as open or covert conflict.When it comes to the format, OST is building on our intrinsic motivation and passion. When we share a meaningful question that brings us together in OST and we are participating from deeply inside ourselves, then OST can actually be a highly conducive format to dealing with conflict. This being said, there are certainly other formats that can also be very powerful when it comes to dealing with conflict, such as Circle Way and others.In my mind this question is more related to a social/societal judgement of conflict as being detrimental and a leaning for some to actively « avoid » conflict (conflict as a meme) . And if conflict could actually be healthy, depending on how we deal with it, when it manifests ? Catalytic, catharisic ? If it was inviting and mobilizing us to deal with tough questions and issues ? If it was energizing us to drive authenticity, openness, transparency and clarification ?
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Le 31 janv. 2018 à 00:44, Chris Corrigan via OSList  a écrit :The well known management guru is David Snowden and his principle criticism against OST is the same as it is for every other method. It is not a panacea for every problem. More specifically, Dave’s issue as I understand it, is that groups operate within constraints. There are times when those constraints need to be tightly bound in order for things to happen and other times when they need to be relaxed. In situations in which you are developing new things conflict and diversity are helpful. Sometimes it helps to have a process in which people of differing perspectives are engaged in a tight container together to make something better. Open Space does not always do this, so if you need a required level of diversity (and conflict doesn’t always mean a fight) then OST might not be the best way to do it. I agree with this. Sometimes you need a formal negotiation structure to reach a decision. Sometimes you need expert opinions engaged in a deliberated and structured and way to do due diligence. Dave has other concerns with Open Space that I think he’s wrong about (that it is a convergence process for example) and I’ve talked with him extensively about that. But anyone who think that Dave believes Open Space doesn’t have utility is also wrong. He believes that it’s useful for certain things in certain contexts and not in others. On that we all agree, I would think. Chris. _CHRIS CORRIGANwww.chriscorrigan.comOn Jan 30, 2018, at 2:24 PM, Harold Shinsato via OSList  wrote:
  

  
  
Daniel,

Interesting concern. I think I remember hearing this from a well
respected management guru as a critique of Open Space. I can't help
but wonder the following:

- How well do individual adults resolve conflicts when an authority
figure forces them?
- How well do conflicting peoples or tribal communities resolve
conflicts when they are forcibly held together by an imperial force
(think Rome, USSR, pre-partition India, etc etc etc)

If you are dealing with children or developmentally challenged
individuals - especially those who have violated others rights are
are in prison - I can imagine there being some value to some level
of compulsion or coercion here. But even there, it may temporarily
resolve the fighting and damage, but not the children's growth.

If you are dealing with severe human rights being violated in tribal
scenarios, I can see how that might justify gunboat diplomacy. But I
can't imagine the tribal system will evolve to respect human rights
without a huge additional investment from the gunboat diplomats. And
it is all too likely that such interference may not only cause even
bigger problems later on, but can also encourage exploitation of the
less developed tribe/community.

Thanks for asking this question!

    Harold


On 1/30/18 2:07 PM, Daniel Mezick via
  OSList wrote:


  I am hearing this pointed criticism from some quarters: That
OST actually encourages conflict-avoidance via the Law of 2
Feet. In other words, people who need to be resolving conflict
(or at least discussing it) can just avoid the touchy topic...
and each other. 

Could this actually be true? If not why not? 
   

Re: [OSList] OST facilitation technique: too prescriptive?

[Thomas Herrmann via OSList]

Hi Dan 
I do ask people to return to their seat afternposting a topic. I also ask 
participants to start by making a brutto list of topics, divided on the 
different time slots of course, before starting any negotiations, merge or 
moving of topics. 
I think the magic focus when waiting for more topics, often in total silence, 
is special and it may be important to some of the participants. 
Cheers
Thomas

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> 31 jan. 2018 kl. 09:48 skrev Chuni Li via OSList 
> :
> 
> Hi Dan,
> 
> "Please return to your seat after posting your session" is actually in my 
> script. 
> The fact that I say this doesn't mean chatting won't happen around the market 
> place. But I think it's fine to state this request out of respect.
> What often happens is when it gets to noisy and people can't hear the new 
> announcements, someone will always shout out to quiet the noise.
> 
> Chuni
> 
>> On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 4:17 PM, Daniel Mezick via OSList 
>>  wrote:
>> Greetings All,
>> 
>> Lately I am noticing that, at the end of the building of Marketplace, more 
>> than 1/2 or even 2/3 of the people may be milling around out of their seats 
>> by the Marketplace chatting while the last 10 or 15 sessions are getting 
>> announced and going to the wall. It can get loud, and sometimes the last few 
>> folks do not really get heard.
>> 
>> So I'm thinking of telling all the folks, as we start announcing topics, 
>> "...After you post your session to the Marketplace, we ask you to please 
>> return to your seat, to experience and hear the announcing of the rest of 
>> the sessions. After all the announcements of all of the sessions slows down, 
>> we'll declare the Marketplace open, leave our seats, and go to work. Thanks."
>> 
>> Assume there are 275-300 people in this situation. 
>> 
>> If you have experience, I have 2 questions for you: 
>> 
>> Is asking the folks to return to their seats too prescriptive in your view? 
>> Why or why not?
>> 
>>  
>> -- 
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>> (203) 915 7248. Bio. Blog. Twitter. 
>> Book: The Culture Game. 
>> Book: The OpenSpace Agility Handbook. 
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Re: [OSList] OST encourages avoidance of conflict

[Chris Corrigan via OSList]

The well known management guru is David Snowden and his principle criticism 
against OST is the same as it is for every other method. It is not a panacea 
for every problem. 

More specifically, Dave’s issue as I understand it, is that groups operate 
within constraints. There are times when those constraints need to be tightly 
bound in order for things to happen and other times when they need to be 
relaxed. 

In situations in which you are developing new things conflict and diversity are 
helpful. Sometimes it helps to have a process in which people of differing 
perspectives are engaged in a tight container together to make something 
better. Open Space does not always do this, so if you need a required level of 
diversity (and conflict doesn’t always mean a fight) then OST might not be the 
best way to do it. 

I agree with this. Sometimes you need a formal negotiation structure to reach a 
decision. Sometimes you need expert opinions engaged in a deliberated and 
structured and way to do due diligence. 

Dave has other concerns with Open Space that I think he’s wrong about (that it 
is a convergence process for example) and I’ve talked with him extensively 
about that. But anyone who think that Dave believes Open Space doesn’t have 
utility is also wrong. He believes that it’s useful for certain things in 
certain contexts and not in others. On that we all agree, I would think. 

Chris. 

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> On Jan 30, 2018, at 2:24 PM, Harold Shinsato via OSList 
>  wrote:
> 
> Daniel,
> 
> Interesting concern. I think I remember hearing this from a well 
> respected management guru as a critique of Open Space. I can't help but 
> wonder the following:
> 
> - How well do individual adults resolve conflicts when an authority figure 
> forces them?
> - How well do conflicting peoples or tribal communities resolve conflicts 
> when they are forcibly held together by an imperial force (think Rome, USSR, 
> pre-partition India, etc etc etc)
> 
> If you are dealing with children or developmentally challenged individuals - 
> especially those who have violated others rights are are in prison - I can 
> imagine there being some value to some level of compulsion or coercion here. 
> But even there, it may temporarily resolve the fighting and damage, but not 
> the children's growth.
> 
> If you are dealing with severe human rights being violated in tribal 
> scenarios, I can see how that might justify gunboat diplomacy. But I can't 
> imagine the tribal system will evolve to respect human rights without a huge 
> additional investment from the gunboat diplomats. And it is all too likely 
> that such interference may not only cause even bigger problems later on, but 
> can also encourage exploitation of the less developed tribe/community.
> 
> Thanks for asking this question!
> 
> Harold
> 
> 
>> On 1/30/18 2:07 PM, Daniel Mezick via OSList wrote:
>> I am hearing this pointed criticism from some quarters: That OST actually 
>> encourages conflict-avoidance via the Law of 2 Feet. In other words, people 
>> who need to be resolving conflict (or at least discussing it) can just avoid 
>> the touchy topic... and each other. 
>> 
>> Could this actually be true? If not why not? 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Daniel Mezick
>> Culture Strategist. Author. Keynoter.
>> (203) 915 7248. Bio. Blog. Twitter. 
>> Book: The Culture Game. 
>> Book: The OpenSpace Agility Handbook. 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [OSList] OST facilitation technique: too prescriptive?

[Chuni Li via OSList]

Hi Dan,

"Please return to your seat after posting your session" is actually in my
script.
The fact that I say this doesn't mean chatting won't happen around the
market place. But I think it's fine to state this request out of respect.
What often happens is when it gets to noisy and people can't hear the new
announcements, someone will always shout out to quiet the noise.

Chuni

On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 4:17 PM, Daniel Mezick via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> Greetings All,
>
> Lately I am noticing that, at the end of the building of Marketplace, more
> than 1/2 or even 2/3 of the people may be milling around out of their seats
> by the Marketplace chatting while the last 10 or 15 sessions are getting
> announced and going to the wall. It can get loud, and sometimes the last
> few folks do not really get heard.
>
> So I'm thinking of telling all the folks, as we start announcing topics,
> "...After you post your session to the Marketplace, we ask you to please
> return to your seat, to experience and hear the announcing of the rest of
> the sessions. After all the announcements of all of the sessions slows
> down, we'll declare the Marketplace open, leave our seats, and go to work.
> Thanks."
>
> Assume there are 275-300 people in this situation.
>
> If you have experience, I have 2 questions for you:
>
> Is asking the folks to return to their seats too prescriptive in your
> view? Why or why not?
>
> --
> Daniel Mezick
> Culture Strategist. Author. Keynoter.
> (203) 915 7248 <(203)%20915-7248>. Bio. 
> Blog.  Twitter.
> 
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[OSList] Thank you Suzanne (the movie) !!!

[Harold Shinsato via OSList]

We love you Suzanne Daigle!

Linda Stevenson, Tricia Chirumbole, Karen Davis, Kevin O'Brien, Mark 
Sheffield & I recorded a short video to thank Suzanne for all her work 
as a member of the Board of the Open Space Institute of the U.S.


We had a lot of fun making it. We showed it to those of you who came to 
our Annual Membership online Open Space last December, and I promised my 
fellow board members that I would embarrass Suzanne yet again by sharing 
this with the OSList.


The video is a kind of Karaoke on top of "We are the World" that we 
re-wrote as "We are Open Space". The music is shown over the beautiful 
graphic recording work of April Doner.


If you want to see the short version (2.5 minutes) go here:

https://youtu.be/73i0-2s0laI

You won't miss any of our singing with the short version, but if you 
really want to absorb April Doner's beautiful artwork, which is where we 
illustrate Suzanne's contributions, watch the extended cut (6.5 minutes) 
which you can enjoy here:


https://youtu.be/iIfJIRFdhp0

And it hadn't happened yet, so it's not in the video, but thank you 
Suzanne for helping the 2018 Opening Space for Peace and High 
Performance in New York this month being so awesome!


    Blessings!
    Harold

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Re: [OSList] OST encourages avoidance of conflict

[Harold Shinsato via OSList]

Daniel,

Interesting concern. I think I remember hearing this from a well 
respected management guru as a critique of Open Space. I can't help but 
wonder the following:


- How well do individual adults resolve conflicts when an authority 
figure forces them?
- How well do conflicting peoples or tribal communities resolve 
conflicts when they are forcibly held together by an imperial force 
(think Rome, USSR, pre-partition India, etc etc etc)


If you are dealing with children or developmentally challenged 
individuals - especially those who have violated others rights are are 
in prison - I can imagine there being some value to some level of 
compulsion or coercion here. But even there, it may temporarily resolve 
the fighting and damage, but not the children's growth.


If you are dealing with severe human rights being violated in tribal 
scenarios, I can see how that might justify gunboat diplomacy. But I 
can't imagine the tribal system will evolve to respect human rights 
without a huge additional investment from the gunboat diplomats. And it 
is all too likely that such interference may not only cause even bigger 
problems later on, but can also encourage exploitation of the less 
developed tribe/community.


Thanks for asking this question!

    Harold


On 1/30/18 2:07 PM, Daniel Mezick via OSList wrote:


I am hearing this pointed criticism from some quarters: That OST 
actually encourages conflict-avoidance via the Law of 2 Feet. In other 
words, people who need to be resolving conflict (or at least 
discussing it) can just avoid the touchy topic... and each other.


Could this actually be true? If not why not?


--
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Culture Strategist. Author. Keynoter.
(203) 915 7248. Bio.  Blog. 
 Twitter. 


Book: The Culture Game. 
Book: The OpenSpace Agility Handbook. 
 




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[OSList] OST facilitation technique: too prescriptive?

[Daniel Mezick via OSList]

Greetings All,

Lately I am noticing that, at the end of the building of Marketplace, 
more than 1/2 or even 2/3 of the people may be milling around out of 
their seats by the Marketplace chatting while the last 10 or 15 sessions 
are getting announced and going to the wall. It can get loud, and 
sometimes the last few folks do not really get heard.


So I'm thinking of telling all the folks, as we start announcing topics, 
"...After you post your session to the Marketplace, we ask you to please 
return to your seat, to experience and hear the announcing of the rest 
of the sessions. After all the announcements of all of the sessions 
slows down, we'll declare the Marketplace open, leave our seats, and go 
to work. Thanks."


Assume there are 275-300 people in this situation.

If you have experience, I have 2 questions for you:

Is asking the folks to return to their seats too prescriptive in your 
view? Why or why not?



--
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Culture Strategist. Author. Keynoter.
(203) 915 7248. Bio.  Blog. 
 Twitter. 


Book: The Culture Game. 
Book: The OpenSpace Agility Handbook. 
 

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[OSList] Join me on Zoom for "Tech We Trust Open Space" this Thu, Fri, and Mon

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Dear Open Space Comrades:

I'm excited to begin convening what I hope will turn out to be a regular
virtual Open Space engagement on technology that prioritizes our autonomy,
privacy and dignity. It's sponsored by the Digital Life Collective: a new
UK-incorporated cooperative whose mission is to research, develop, fund, and
support "  Tech We Trust." 

 

Join us for one or more of the two-hour Zoom calls scheduled for this
Thursday, Friday, and/or Monday (see below for details). And please feel
free to share this invitation with others you believe might be interested as
well. You can share this email or simply direct people to
 https://diglife.com/open-space/ 

 

The purpose of this Open Space is to provide:

*   Information about what tech is out there that we can trust
*   Guidance on how to navigate the tech we use but don't trust
*   Support for software or systems people are or would like to be
developing
*   Understanding the Digital Life Collective, and how we might support
its development
*   Whatever else YOU are passionate about! 

 

RSVP or email any questions to  
b...@conversationcollaborative.com. 

 

Regards,

Ben Roberts

 


Conversation Schedule


*   Thu Feb 1, 4-6pm GMT/11am-1pm ET
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[OSList] Open Space Hotline TODAY, 1/30/18 @ 12PM EST!

[Tricia Chirumbole via OSList]

Happy Tuesday everyone!

The Open Space Hotline is coming to a device near you soon - TODAY,
Tuesday, January 30th @12PM EST for whomever wants to drop in and listen,
share a thought, ask a question,workshop an idea or just say hi!

Expect the unexpected :)

One+ hours of video conversation with amazing folks from around the world
- Law of Two Feet applies as always!

Sign-up and post topics: http://bit.ly/OShotline

Join the call from PC, Mac, iOS or Android: https://zoom.us/j/751609912
a.  Join by phone: +1 (415) 762-9988 or +1 (646) 568-7788 (US Toll)
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c.  Meeting ID: 751 609 912

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