[OSList] Wikipedia clean up

[Paul Nunesdea via OSList]

Dear friends,

I am writing an article and just notice the Wikipedia entry for OST has a 
warning on the top that says it’s written like an advertisement.

Anyone feeling comfortable editing Wikipedia could fix this?


Best wishes to all 


Paul Nunesdea, PhD, CPF
https://www.linkedin.com/today/author/nunesdea

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Re: [OSList] Okay...Forget Certification then...How about Co-Creating a NEW OST ASSOCIATION? Such as...THE International Association for Peace and Human Understanding...?

[Paul Nunesdea via OSList]

Greetings HO, I have been away from this list except when something 
extraordinarily contentious happens here, and I got attracted by the 
certification subject. 

Yes, just to say I am among those that used OST by reading your book + an 
extremely helpful and long coaching call from Lisa Heft - the Open Space 
Community's Mary Magdalene. 

Since then the power of self-organization never ceased to amaze me, and to be 
honest my most precious ally when big challenges are faced. 

I have written books about group facilitation in my mother languages, I argue 
OST is the ultimate group facilitation methodology, inspired by seminal work of 
very dear IAF colleagues (and your disciples?) here in Europe, Gerardo de 
Luzemberg and Jean-Philippe Poupard. 

And your answer below, reinforces my faith on this absolute mystery of 
self-organization that have been helping me so much. 

Tanks for the unsuspected Dee Hock's book recommendation, I will read it next. 

I apologize Listers if this other unsuspected reference below has already been 
discussed here before, but I recently re-discovered Lao Tzu book Tao Te Ching 
(the book of the way) and cannot think about the resemblances with your 
discoveries HO. 

If you like listening instead of reading, this is an amazing free resource on 
Youtube: 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2UYch2JnO4 

I suspect Lao Tzu's interpretation of what the master will do about OST's 
certification is just about what you have written below, beloved father. 
 
Best wishes 
 
Paul Nunesdea | Paulo Nunes de Abreu 
https://www.architectingcollaboration.com/


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> On 20 Aug 2019, at 22:15, Harrison Owen via OSList 
>  wrote:
> 
> Barry -- your notion about "scale" -- numbers of people -- is pretty close to 
> the accepted wisdom. Summed up in the old refrain, Some day we got to get 
> organized! Especially when we get bigger. Certainly makes sense, keeps a lot 
> of MBA programs in business, but simply doesn't accord with my experience. 
> First in terms of my usual standard reference... Open Spaces. The curious, 
> but I think instructive thing, is that every Open Space that I have 
> facilitated or been a part of -- regardless of size (5- 2108) has been 
> unnervingly the same. 10-15 minutes for opening, 20 min for issue 
> announcement, 30 minutes for market place arrangements (combinations, 
> reschedules, cup of coffee) 1 hour to start of first session -- and from 
> there on it all happened by itself. This has even been true in several 
> situation where a very hard working planning committee worked out every 
> detail in accord with the best meeting management protocols. Looked great on 
> paper, immediately fell apart, and just as quickly self organized, despite 
> their best efforts. Weird!
> 
> Then there is the observed behavior and accomplishments of what we might 
> vaguely call, "The Open Space Community." If you put aside all question of 
> how we got there, the accomplishments I believe are rather impressive. Indeed 
> there are very few HR consulting groups that could come anywhere close. Just 
> take the numbers: 35 years in business, minimum 500,000 "interventions," 
> millions of participants, thousands of facilitators, massive coverage by the 
> international press, and a multitude of imitators -- which is always a 
> complement in a weird way. Not bad if I do say so myself. AND it might be 
> pointed out that all of this took place without a shred of formal 
> organization, no institutional funding, no defined leadership structure, zero 
> effort at standardization or certification. Why would anybody want to change 
> that ... even if you could?
> 
> And then in the REAL WORLD... That would be Corporations, Governments, NGOs 
> -- I can give you any number of examples where such organizations spent 
> millions of $$$ to get organized, failed, -- and then opened some space to 
> accomplish in several days where they had failed miserably for years. I "did" 
> a few of those personally, but in most cases (if I was directly involved) I 
> advised that they save a lot of money, buy the book, and do it. And of course 
> there were any number of situations where sensitive participants of one OST 
> simply went out and "did" it again without benefit of book, training, 
> certification. Marvelous!
> 
> And if you want "testimony" from a different, and presumably unbiased source, 
> check out Dee Hock, "Chaordic Organizations."
> 
> Harrison (and -- of course -- also your father.)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Barry Owen via OSList 
> To: World wide Open Space Technology email list 
> 
> Cc: Barry Owen ; Michael M Pannwitz 
> 
> Sent: Tue, Aug 20, 2019 11:10 am
> Subject: Re: [OSList] Okay...Forget Certification then...How about 
> Co-Creating a NEW OST ASSOCIATION? Such as...THE International Association 
> for Peace and Human Understanding...?
> 
> I've been mulling this over for months now. 
> Have come to what I think is a conclusion 

Re: [OSList] A Little tremor...

[Paul Nunesdea via OSList]

Politicians ride waves or at least help to shape them and fear is one of the 
items in their tool chest.  

Fear of the other is such a powerful tool. Advertisers know that. 

I was not surprised with the BREXIT (the UK vote lo leave).

I have heard that human civilizations go in cycles, like the whole planet 
itself. 

There is something of a strange kind of energy that is accumulating recently 
and that started with the Arab springs, certain equivalent movements in China 
and Europe, namely in Spain that is going to face elections this weekend.

These spontaneous movements are the bedrock of a new breed of political parties 
in Europe. In Greece and in the city of Rome they won the majority.

Alas, this energy also reveals itself in non-constructive modes. 

The riots prior and during the UEFA cup games are also an evidence of this 
energy in latency. 

Who knows this is also what happened in England? The manifestation of a 
societal energy that is mad at something. A will that resists the rain in 
polling day. A will so in-depth that the day of vote some realize they have 
lied to themselves during the opinion polls. 

On the TV news I remember this British guy from the public saying: "in my heart, I 
will say leave but with my head, I must vote to stay."  

The heart took control and bingo - a huge stone was thrown in the pond. 

I also would have voted to leave.

The EU pond is murky. We see waves of refugees and children dying in the see - 
WAIT A MINUTE did I said children are dying in the mediterranean sea?

In spite of the honorable intentions of their founding fathers the EU remains a 
private club of nations whose political representatives selfishly seek to 
please their own constituencies.

I suspect the US history can teach our EU politicians how to build a united 
land. US is the land where OST emerged in recent years and that is part of the 
same strange energy  

Are we going to close the cycle and get back towards where we started as a 
single global tribe 50.000 years ago? 

I see the BREXIT has an opportunity for that. 

The EU needs reinvention. 

Keep calm and carry on.
 

On 25 June 2016 at 00:30, Royle, Karl via OSList 
 wrote:
Many of us brits were in the 48%. Who voted to stay in and probably trying to 
become Scottish or Irish

And 75% of people aged 18 to 25 were in favour of staying in.

The vote wasn’t about the eu but was caused by persistent inequality and 
generated fear of the other by a ruling elite that should have known better.

The Uk will ultimately be ok ish

The fear will start if the rest of the EU folds as a result. Not so much 
opening space but creating a black hole

Pip pop 

From: OSList  on behalf of Harrison Owen via 
OSList 
Reply-To: Harrison Owen , World wide Open Space Technology email 
list 
Date: Friday, 24 June 2016 22:00
To: 'World wide Open Space Technology email list' 

Subject: [OSList] A Little tremor...

You may have noticed a certain shaking in the World Order. It registered 611.21 
on the Dow Jones. That’s a negative 611.21. Essentially wiped out all gains for 
the year. Money is only what you think it is and … suddenly… pooof! IT wasn’t 
!!!
 
One of the “trending stories” on the New York Times was about Brits Googling to 
find out what they had done to themselves. Marvelous. It doesn’t seem to be 
“trending” anymore or I would send it to you. But such things do come and go.
 
Of course there has been a massive cast of characters, casting stones at 
everybody else. Idiots! …along with  a smaller set who are sure they know 
exactly what to do, how to do it, and who should be in charge. Themselves, of 
course.
 
Definitely interesting times.
 
Might be something worth talking about?
 
This is called opening space, seeing who shows up, and knowing that whoever 
cares will be precisely the right people for the conversation. Of course we 
didn’t do a lot of “pre-work.” Who knew the Brits were going to be a crazy as 
they were/are? – or are they? And no matter… Serious stuff never happens on 
schedule, according to plan… when we are all prepared…
 
And to quote a great saint (Brian)…. Whenever…
 
 
Harrison
 
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Re: [OSList] Opening space when borders are closing

[Paul Nunesdea via OSList]

Way to go!

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> On 15/11/2015, at 22:57, Harrison Owen via OSList 
>  wrote:
> 
> The events in Paris have caught our attention. However, with deepest respect 
> and sympathy for my Parisian friends (Christine in particular), the simple 
> truth is that the human toll (127 and counting) is only the daily score in 
> many troubled spots of the world. You can name them as well as I.
>  
> And Mr Holland, President of France, declaring, “This is an act of War,” and 
> “promising” retaliation of whatever sort  -- is quite understandable. Of 
> course he also (according to the American Press) closed the borders. Again 
> understandable, but curious especially when it appears that some 
> substantial portion of the combatants (enemy) are French. Somehow the enemy 
> is us This is not your grandfather’s war.
>  
> Or Something.
>  
> Any human being who claims to understand what is going on, and feels 
> competent to prescribe the  specific solution (close the borders, open the 
> borders, ban the immigrants, welcome the immigrants, shoot them all, 
> whatever) is, in my humble judgment, quite mad.
>  
> I, however, will venture one affirmative (positive) statement. We (That’s all 
> 7 ½ Billion of us) are in a Transformative Moment. How long it will last, and 
> what the end result will be, I don’t have a clue. But I do believe that it 
> will take all 7 ½ billion of us, working together, to solve the issues at 
> hand. Tall order, to be sure. Then again, we have had some several hundred 
> thousand years’ practice. And to date – despite all odds – we’re still here.
>  
> And the magic sauce?
>  
> I do know some things it’s (special sauce) NOT: a special program, ideology, 
> methodology, tool, technique, intervention, practice, discipline...
>  
> It is something that has been around a lot longer, much more basic and 
> fundamental.
>  
> You guessed it. Self Organization.
>  
> We did not invent it. Certainly didn’t create it. But we can help, I do 
> believe.
>  
> Open Space wherever, whenever, however, with whom-so-ever as often as you 
> can. If nothing else, it will give you something to do during this 
> Transformative Moment.
>  
> Harrison  
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Re: [OSList] Grief, Griefwork and Renewal -- The core of our work, I think

[Paul Nunesdea via OSList]

Thank you Harrison, for surprising me. I am really grateful to this wonderful 
piece of food you have just put in my table. So much to appreciate, so much to 
take away.

I wish you well on this long journey of yours, so glad you often share it with 
us,

Paul 

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 On 27/3/2015, at 18:00, Harrison via OSList oslist@lists.openspacetech.org 
 wrote:
 
 Grief and Griefwork are central to the human experience and evolution. To the 
 extent that Open Space is a useful forum in which human experience and 
 evolution may take place, both grief and Griefwork are critical elements. The 
 process itself cannot be rushed. It will proceed at its own pace through the 
 several phases, none of which can be skipped or short changed, for each phase 
 contributes an essential element towards the final goal, which is renewal. No 
 doubt grief is painful, and the process itself is, as the name implies, real 
 work, but it is good work. In totality, and contrary to the popular 
 perception, it is not sad. Indeed it is triumphal, even joyful, creating the 
 way for letting go of what has ended, and leading to new life. Not bad for a 
 day’s work!
  
 The ground breaking work describing the Griefwork Process was done by 
 Elizabeth Kübler-Ross in her 1969 book, “On Death and Dying.” It was mind 
 blowing. In one fell swoop she gave meaning to one of life’s most painful 
 experiences: Grief. Yes it was, and is, a pain, but pain with genuine gain. 
 From the terrible moments of ending, something innate draws us forward. From 
 Shock and Anger, through Denial on to letting go and resolution. We move on. 
 We don’t have to invent it, even think it. Happens all by itself, every time, 
 and all the time – if we just let it. And that is a critical point... we have 
 to let it happen. We can slow it, even abort it, but doing so leaves us in a 
 life of grief with no resolution.
  
 Kübler-Ross’s focus was on the individual response to Death. My focus has 
 always been on the larger agglomeration of individuals which we call 
 organizations, what they are and how they develop and transform. And the more 
 I thought about it, and lived deeply in the heart of many organizations, it 
 occurred to me that Griefwork was very much present and critical. At points 
 of ending, all sorts of endings, the process would start, sometimes with the 
 whole organization involved. Shock/Anger, Denial, Memories, Despair, Open 
 Space, Vision – those were my descriptors, and yes, Open Space had nothing to 
 do with meetings. For me it was that incredible balance point between what 
 was and what would become. I’ll spare you the details, but if you are 
 interested it is all there in my first book, “Spirit: Transformation and 
 Development,” which is yours for a mouse click at 
 http://openspaceworld.com/Spirit.pdf 
  
 Open Space Technology was a late comer in all of this, definitely a funny 
 thing on the way to the future – until it began to dawn on me that everything 
 I had experienced and described under the heading of Griefwork in 
 Organizations showed up in that “funny thing.” Which is why I ended up 
 calling it Open Space. “Technology” was merely an afterthought, and mostly a 
 joke.
  
 When an organization is in deep pain caused by market shifts, corporate 
 raiders, internal conflict, international disorder – whatever – The process 
 of Griefwork kicks in. The initial response is shock and Anger, blame and 
 confusion. “They did it!” “How could it happen to us?” Old ways end. New ways 
 are much less than obvious. And the process rolls on! Should such an 
 organization find itself sitting in a circle, creating a bulletin board... if 
 would be fair to say that the Griefwork Process is the script of the emerging 
 drama. Unwritten, unplanned, maybe unknown – but very much there, if you just 
 take a moment to see. And if you have never been in such a situation, you can 
 in fact see it in a remarkable video of USWEST, thanks to Peggy Holman. 
 http://vimeo.com/25251316
  
 Shortly told, the situation was that a corporate wide redesign (Process 
 Re-Engineering) had failed massively leaving anger, frustration and confusion 
 in its wake. In one part of the USWEST world, The State of Arizona, it had 
 all gone critical. Somehow, Peggy Holman and her colleagues managed to bring 
 in Open Space, which is marvelously depicted by the video. When asked to 
 describe the course of events over the three day gathering, one participant 
 said (in reference to the second day), “Today I think we are searching for 
 solutions for what we were bitching about yesterday.” There it is. The 
 passage from shock and anger onto vision and renewal. But don’t just listen 
 to the words. The “body language” is even more compelling. In the opening 
 circle you will see a phalanx of angry faces, arms folded, jaws set. Skip to 
 the end and it is practically a love in. And no, we did not script it!
  
 Knowing that Griefwork is central to the fabric and 

Re: [OSList] Great formats for breakout sessions?

[Paul Nunesdea via OSList]

Hi Lucas,
Spot on. I have seen this happening, the energy gets wasted, specially in small 
OS seems that social pressures inhibits the Law of two feet. Wonder if the same 
happens in virtual OS, where people can actually leave the virtual rooms 
without any social pressure...
Thanks for such well thought questions.
Best
Paul 

From my iPad

 On 22/3/2015, at 15:10, Lucas Cioffi via OSList 
 oslist@lists.openspacetech.org wrote:
 
 Hi All,
 
 I checked the OST User's Guide and the OS List archives, but I didn't find 
 any mention of what format the breakout sessions can/should take.  
 
 During some but not all OS events I've attended, facilitators have mentioned 
 that breakout sessions should be conversations rather than presentations.
 
 The OS philosophy would say there's no need to suggest how to run a breakout 
 session and empower the participants to choose their own formats for each 
 session and do less and it just happens.  However, we all know from 
 firsthand experience that some breakout sessions are more personally 
 satisfying/rewarding than others, just as some 3-person coffee break 
 conversations during normal conferences are better than others.
 
 Here are some potential problems with breakout sessions if they are 
 implemented poorly by participants:
 There can be too many sub-topics for the breakout session so some ideas do 
 not get brought up at all.  Most of the time people do not brainstorm all the 
 topics at the beginning of a session and they dive right into the discussion 
 of the first issue that comes to mind.  So they don't ever know all the 
 topics that are on everyone's minds.
 Some people do no feel comfortable for various reasons related to 
 introversion, discrimination, or office politics, so they never speak up.  As 
 facilitators, we know ways to avoid this but the participants may not know 
 how to avoid these meeting pitfalls.
 One person dominates the discussion.  The built-in remedy for this is that 
 everyone else votes with their feet and leaves to form their own breakout 
 session later, but sometimes this doesn't happen and it's simply a lost 
 opportunity for everyone.
 Here are my questions for the group:
 1. What formats to the breakout sessions usually take at events that you 
 facilitate, and are some of these formats better than others in your opinion?
 2. What formats could breakout sessions take?  Someone usually starts with 
 why they convened the session, but then what usually happens?  What could 
 happen?
 3. What meeting tools/aides/games can help improve the quality of breakout 
 sessions?
 
 Thank you for your insights!
 -- 
 Lucas Cioffi
 Facilitation Community of Practice on QiqoChat
 Charlottesville, VA
 917-528-1831
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