u-turn

[Peer]

To days ago I made a 400km trip on my motorcycle. I imported a gpxfile 
(trk, rte, wpt). I choose 'Calculate route between points' to get roadbased 
navigating announcements in OsmAnd 3.4.0

OsmAnd performed very well during this trip. But there were a few u-turns.  
One u-turn was caused by the minimal information in the gpx-file. This can 
be easily prevented by editing the source gx-file and re-import it.
The other u-turns were created during recalculation. Sometimes I have to 
leave the track for a traffic redirection (detour). Then OsmAnd tries to 
navigate to the track again. It choose a point on the track and calculates 
a route to this point. In four of the six detours I experienced on this 
trip OsmAnd created a u-turn on this point.


I would like to see a setting in OsmAnd to avoid u-turns escpecially during 
recalcululation. Will this be possible???






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Re: calculating route is acting strange

[Peer]

When you click on the navigation button you will see a small gear wheel  
for options. Click on this wheel after you selected a gpx-file you wil find 
the track specific options.

Op woensdag 10 juli 2019 22:39:24 UTC+2 schreef RobW:
>
> Interesting thread - I've not looked into routing in much detail before
>
> On Tue, Jul 9, 2019 at 3:20 PM Peer > 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> track specific settings:
>> Fuel-efficient way: unchecked
>> calculate route between points: checked
>> all other options: unchecked
>>
>
> I don't see these track specific settings - where/how are they accessed?
>
> Rob
>

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Re: calculating route is acting strange

[Peer]

When I import a gpxfile (with track and route) from myrouteapp and choose 
'Calculate route between points" OsmAnd uses the points in the route to 
create a new track (trk) and it creates a roadbook (rte) with roadbased 
navigation announcements.

I think that OsmAnd always follows the track while navigatiion. Normally 
the roadbook with navigation announcements is based on the track 
(calculation time is minimal). But when the navigation announcements are 
based on the road OsmAnd still seems to use the track for navigating. Only 
the announcements change.

procedure:
import gpxfile
calculate route between points (and wait, wait, wait)
save to new gpxfile
reload the new gpcfile and navigate without calculating route between 
points (No waiting time)

This last step in the procedure lets me comclude that OsmAnd uses the track 
for naviagtion..




Op woensdag 10 juli 2019 18:25:37 UTC+2 schreef Bart Eisenberg:
>
> So when you have OsmAnd calculate the route between the points, are the 
> "points" the waypoints you entered?  Meaning, the waypoints and OsmAnd's 
> routing algorithm are solely what determine the route?  
>
>

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Re: calculating route is acting strange

[Rob Woodall]

Interesting thread - I've not looked into routing in much detail before

On Tue, Jul 9, 2019 at 3:20 PM Peer  wrote:

>
> track specific settings:
> Fuel-efficient way: unchecked
> calculate route between points: checked
> all other options: unchecked
>

I don't see these track specific settings - where/how are they accessed?

Rob

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Re: What's up with map updates?

[Martin Trautmann]

On 19-07-10 12:35, Majka wrote:

> No, you need ONE full download of the map. Then, depending on the
> frequency and size of the changes, you simply download the deltas (live
> update) as you want/need. Some time later (might be several months or
> even years), OsmAnd MIGHT be slowing down, because you'll work with the
> "normal" file + several separate delta files. Then, it is time to
> download the full map again. This will remove the deltas, and you can
> start again. But apart of the possible slow-down, there is nothing there
> needing the new full download, you can simply continue with the live
> updates only.

So there are two different opinions.

If deltas were that reliable, it would be a much faster and simpler task
to derive monthly updates from them.


Schönen Gruß
Martin

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Re: Custom rendering minzoom level can't go lower than 14

[Ivan Sams]

Thank you! This version works for me and I have successfully got my icons 
displaying at all zoom levels. I still need to tweak it as the icons get 
hidden by place names and things, but I think this is to do with the order. 

On Wednesday, 10 July 2019 16:01:27 UTC+1, Harry van der Wolf wrote:
>
> Please find version 3.0 attached. It works for me.
>
>  OsmAndMapCreator-main.zip 
> 
>
>
> Op wo 10 jul. 2019 om 15:25 schreef Ivan Sams <
> iv...@whereismytransport.com >:
>
>> Thank you Harry and Majka for your replies. 
>>
>> This makes a lot of sense, since the default value for minzoom is 15 for 
>> this tag in rendering_types.
>>
>> I am trying to get OsmAndMapCreator to run but the latest version on the 
>> osmand.net/downloads page appears to be missing the main 
>> OsmAndMapCreator.jar file. 
>>
>> I downloaded an old version (1.1.0) which has the jar file and runs 
>> successfully. I have updated the rendering_types.xml file and downloaded 
>> some osm data from geofabrik.de. When I run file > Create obf from osm 
>> file and input the file, I get the message:
>>
>> "java.lang.RuntimeException: Duplicate Name"
>>
>> I don't know what this message is referring to. Perhaps it is a bug that 
>> has been fixed in a later version? 
>>
>> Any ideas where I can get the latest OsmAndMapCreator that is complete 
>> with the .jar file?
>>
>> On Tuesday, 9 July 2019 18:11:26 UTC+1, Harry van der Wolf wrote:
>>
>>> Majka is correct. At zoomlevel 11 you are in the worldmap which simply 
>>> does not contain this date. It only contains very high-level map data, but 
>>> no indexes whatsoever.
>>>
>>> Another point is that you (only) look at the default.render.xml. That 
>>> files "treats" the available data in how it is displayed.
>>> However, the renderingtypes.xml determines which "map content" is put in 
>>> which zoomlevel during map creation. Th at one is not in OsmAnd but 
>>> compiled into OsmAndMapCreator.
>>>
>>> To do what you want to do means that you need to change BOTH the map 
>>> creation as well as the map rendering. And also in this case zoomlevel 12 
>>> is the lowest zoomlevel (and possibly recompile OsmAndMapCreator as I'm not 
>>> sure whether you can provide a renderingtypes.xml as parameter)
>>>
>>> The renderingtypes.xml is used for map creation.
>>> If you look at the renderingtypes.xml on github (
>>> https://github.com/osmandapp/OsmAnd-resources/blob/master/obf_creation/rendering_types.xml#L2900)
>>>  
>>> for waterway () ,you can see that also on map 
>>> creation these items are only added as of zoomlevel 15. They are simpy not 
>>> there in lower zoomlevels, so the default.render.xml (or any derived xml) 
>>> cannot display "things" that are not there. 
>>>
>>> Harry
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Op di 9 jul. 2019 om 10:04 schreef Majka :
>>>
 I am not sure, but about this zoom there is a switch from the local map 
 to the global one (worldwide). It might well be that the data are not 
 there 
 any more - the world map has strongly stripped down data inside.

 On Monday, 8 July 2019 15:43:23 UTC+2, Ivan Sams wrote:
>
> I am trying to create a map style that better represents inland 
> waterways than the default or nautical styles do. My first goal is to 
> make 
> waterways features more prominent by setting icons for them and ensuring 
> they are displayed at higher zoom levels, starting with the feature 
> `waterway=lock_gate`.
>
> This tag appears 3 times in the `default.render.xml`:
>
>  textWrapWidth="30" textOrder="212"/>
>
>  icon="waterway_lock_gate_small">
> 
> 
>
>  strokeWidth="2" color="#7799">
> 
> 
> 
>
> I added ` icon="seamark_lock_gate"` to the first of these, and I 
> updated all of these minzoom values to 11. The icon correctly displays, 
> but 
> at zoom 14 or less the icon stops displaying.
>
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Re: calculating route is acting strange

[Bart Eisenberg]

So when you have OsmAnd calculate the route between the points, are the 
"points" the waypoints you entered?  Meaning, the waypoints and OsmAnd's 
routing algorithm are solely what determine the route?  

On Wednesday, July 10, 2019 at 6:25:39 AM UTC-7, Peer wrote:
>
> I created a few routes with the start and finish at ca. 1km from my house. 
> Now the routes are properly calculated. There are no longer routing 
> problems in the nabourhood of start and finish
>
> Op woensdag 10 juli 2019 08:03:09 UTC+2 schreef Peer:
>>
>> .
>> note:
>> - Use the standard settings in OsmAnd for optimal results: (fastest 
>> route, no avoid options)
>> - I still have problems with the start and the finish. I create the 
>> routes on the pc with the start and the finish by my house (my location). 
>> OsmAnd wants me to drive an extra block. Perhaps I should position the 
>> start and finish away from my house.
>>
>>

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Re: Custom rendering minzoom level can't go lower than 14

[Harry van der Wolf]

Please find version 3.0 attached. It works for me.

 OsmAndMapCreator-main.zip



Op wo 10 jul. 2019 om 15:25 schreef Ivan Sams :

> Thank you Harry and Majka for your replies.
>
> This makes a lot of sense, since the default value for minzoom is 15 for
> this tag in rendering_types.
>
> I am trying to get OsmAndMapCreator to run but the latest version on the
> osmand.net/downloads page appears to be missing the main
> OsmAndMapCreator.jar file.
>
> I downloaded an old version (1.1.0) which has the jar file and runs
> successfully. I have updated the rendering_types.xml file and downloaded
> some osm data from geofabrik.de. When I run file > Create obf from osm
> file and input the file, I get the message:
>
> "java.lang.RuntimeException: Duplicate Name"
>
> I don't know what this message is referring to. Perhaps it is a bug that
> has been fixed in a later version?
>
> Any ideas where I can get the latest OsmAndMapCreator that is complete
> with the .jar file?
>
> On Tuesday, 9 July 2019 18:11:26 UTC+1, Harry van der Wolf wrote:
>
>> Majka is correct. At zoomlevel 11 you are in the worldmap which simply
>> does not contain this date. It only contains very high-level map data, but
>> no indexes whatsoever.
>>
>> Another point is that you (only) look at the default.render.xml. That
>> files "treats" the available data in how it is displayed.
>> However, the renderingtypes.xml determines which "map content" is put in
>> which zoomlevel during map creation. Th at one is not in OsmAnd but
>> compiled into OsmAndMapCreator.
>>
>> To do what you want to do means that you need to change BOTH the map
>> creation as well as the map rendering. And also in this case zoomlevel 12
>> is the lowest zoomlevel (and possibly recompile OsmAndMapCreator as I'm not
>> sure whether you can provide a renderingtypes.xml as parameter)
>>
>> The renderingtypes.xml is used for map creation.
>> If you look at the renderingtypes.xml on github (
>> https://github.com/osmandapp/OsmAnd-resources/blob/master/obf_creation/rendering_types.xml#L2900)
>> for waterway () ,you can see that also on map
>> creation these items are only added as of zoomlevel 15. They are simpy not
>> there in lower zoomlevels, so the default.render.xml (or any derived xml)
>> cannot display "things" that are not there.
>>
>> Harry
>>
>>
>>
>> Op di 9 jul. 2019 om 10:04 schreef Majka :
>>
>>> I am not sure, but about this zoom there is a switch from the local map
>>> to the global one (worldwide). It might well be that the data are not there
>>> any more - the world map has strongly stripped down data inside.
>>>
>>> On Monday, 8 July 2019 15:43:23 UTC+2, Ivan Sams wrote:

 I am trying to create a map style that better represents inland
 waterways than the default or nautical styles do. My first goal is to make
 waterways features more prominent by setting icons for them and ensuring
 they are displayed at higher zoom levels, starting with the feature
 `waterway=lock_gate`.

 This tag appears 3 times in the `default.render.xml`:

 >>> textWrapWidth="30" textOrder="212"/>

 >>> icon="waterway_lock_gate_small">
 
 

 >>> color="#7799">
 
 
 

 I added ` icon="seamark_lock_gate"` to the first of these, and I
 updated all of these minzoom values to 11. The icon correctly displays, but
 at zoom 14 or less the icon stops displaying.


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Re: Custom rendering minzoom level can't go lower than 14

[Ivan Sams]

Thank you Harry and Majka for your replies. 

This makes a lot of sense, since the default value for minzoom is 15 for 
this tag in rendering_types.

I am trying to get OsmAndMapCreator to run but the latest version on the 
osmand.net/downloads page appears to be missing the main 
OsmAndMapCreator.jar file. 

I downloaded an old version (1.1.0) which has the jar file and runs 
successfully. I have updated the rendering_types.xml file and downloaded 
some osm data from geofabrik.de. When I run file > Create obf from osm file 
and input the file, I get the message:

"java.lang.RuntimeException: Duplicate Name"

I don't know what this message is referring to. Perhaps it is a bug that 
has been fixed in a later version? 

Any ideas where I can get the latest OsmAndMapCreator that is complete with 
the .jar file?

On Tuesday, 9 July 2019 18:11:26 UTC+1, Harry van der Wolf wrote:

> Majka is correct. At zoomlevel 11 you are in the worldmap which simply 
> does not contain this date. It only contains very high-level map data, but 
> no indexes whatsoever.
>
> Another point is that you (only) look at the default.render.xml. That 
> files "treats" the available data in how it is displayed.
> However, the renderingtypes.xml determines which "map content" is put in 
> which zoomlevel during map creation. Th at one is not in OsmAnd but 
> compiled into OsmAndMapCreator.
>
> To do what you want to do means that you need to change BOTH the map 
> creation as well as the map rendering. And also in this case zoomlevel 12 
> is the lowest zoomlevel (and possibly recompile OsmAndMapCreator as I'm not 
> sure whether you can provide a renderingtypes.xml as parameter)
>
> The renderingtypes.xml is used for map creation.
> If you look at the renderingtypes.xml on github (
> https://github.com/osmandapp/OsmAnd-resources/blob/master/obf_creation/rendering_types.xml#L2900)
>  
> for waterway () ,you can see that also on map 
> creation these items are only added as of zoomlevel 15. They are simpy not 
> there in lower zoomlevels, so the default.render.xml (or any derived xml) 
> cannot display "things" that are not there. 
>
> Harry
>
>
>
> Op di 9 jul. 2019 om 10:04 schreef Majka 
> >:
>
>> I am not sure, but about this zoom there is a switch from the local map 
>> to the global one (worldwide). It might well be that the data are not there 
>> any more - the world map has strongly stripped down data inside.
>>
>> On Monday, 8 July 2019 15:43:23 UTC+2, Ivan Sams wrote:
>>>
>>> I am trying to create a map style that better represents inland 
>>> waterways than the default or nautical styles do. My first goal is to make 
>>> waterways features more prominent by setting icons for them and ensuring 
>>> they are displayed at higher zoom levels, starting with the feature 
>>> `waterway=lock_gate`.
>>>
>>> This tag appears 3 times in the `default.render.xml`:
>>>
>>> >> textWrapWidth="30" textOrder="212"/>
>>>
>>> >> icon="waterway_lock_gate_small">
>>> 
>>> 
>>>
>>> >> color="#7799">
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>
>>> I added ` icon="seamark_lock_gate"` to the first of these, and I updated 
>>> all of these minzoom values to 11. The icon correctly displays, but at zoom 
>>> 14 or less the icon stops displaying.
>>>
>>>
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Re: calculating route is acting strange

[Peer]

I created a few routes with the start and finish at ca. 1km from my house. 
Now the routes are properly calculated. There are no longer routing 
problems in the nabourhood of start and finish

Op woensdag 10 juli 2019 08:03:09 UTC+2 schreef Peer:
>
> .
> note:
> - Use the standard settings in OsmAnd for optimal results: (fastest route, 
> no avoid options)
> - I still have problems with the start and the finish. I create the routes 
> on the pc with the start and the finish by my house (my location). OsmAnd 
> wants me to drive an extra block. Perhaps I should position the start and 
> finish away from my house.
>
>

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Re: What's up with map updates?

[Majka]

On Tuesday, 9 July 2019 22:42:08 UTC+2, Martin Trautmann wrote:
>
> But as you tell me, using Osmand Live would require BOTH delta updates, 
> as well as a monthly full (proper?) reload of the maps? 
>
> Schönen Gruß 
> Martin 
>
>
No, you need ONE full download of the map. Then, depending on the frequency 
and size of the changes, you simply download the deltas (live update) as 
you want/need. Some time later (might be several months or even years), 
OsmAnd MIGHT be slowing down, because you'll work with the "normal" file + 
several separate delta files. Then, it is time to download the full map 
again. This will remove the deltas, and you can start again. But apart of 
the possible slow-down, there is nothing there needing the new full 
download, you can simply continue with the live updates only.

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Re: Lizenz Umzug auf neues Handy

[Majka]

Ganz einfach, falls es über Google Play gekauft wurde. Mit der gleichen 
Anmeldung kann Osmand+ kostenlos geladen werden.

On Wednesday, 10 July 2019 10:34:59 UTC+2, H.K. wrote:
>
>
> Hallo, ich muß mir leider ein neues Handy zulegen. Auf dem Alten war eine 
> Lizenz von Osmand+. Kann ich die irgendwie auf das neue Handy übertragen, 
> bzw. die Berechtigung zur Benützung beim Download angeben?
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Re: Turning off screen automatically

[Mirco Zorzo]

I confirm.

Il giorno martedì 9 luglio 2019 20:50:44 UTC+2, Peter B ha scritto:
>
> > It looks like this means 'do not turn the screen OFF at all' 
> I suppose it means
> 'do not turn the screen ON at all' (if screen is off)
>
> Peter 
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Lizenz Umzug auf neues Handy

[H.K.]

Hallo, ich muß mir leider ein neues Handy zulegen. Auf dem Alten war eine 
Lizenz von Osmand+. Kann ich die irgendwie auf das neue Handy übertragen, 
bzw. die Berechtigung zur Benützung beim Download angeben?

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Re: calculating route is acting strange

[Peer]

How do I create a gpx route that can be succesfully imported in OsmAnd??

There are several online route planners on the internet. I tried a few that 
targeted on motorcycling. The one that I like the most is: myrouteApp. The 
url is: https://www.myrouteapp.com/en. (there are six languages available)
You have to register on this site to used. Registering is free. The routes 
are online stored.
When you login you will see in the top of the screen 7 blue tabs. I use 
only two of them: "Routes" and "New Route".
When you click on the tab "Routes"you will see the routes that you have 
created. 
Clicking on the tab "New Route"gives you the possibilty to create a new 
route. I shows a pop up:
-> Name: 
here you can give the route a name
-> Privacy mode: Public/Friends/Private 
Here you can choose who can see you route. I always choose private.
-> Mode: Driving/Cycling/ByFoot
I choose driving for motorcycling. I do not have much experience with 
"cycling" (3-4 times) and "by foot" (1time) 

After you made your choice you click OK and the fun begins. Myrouteapp 
wants your permission to know your location. I allowed it.
- You can easily add waypoints just by clicking on the map.  A route 
between the waypoints is instantly created. 
- You can move waypoints by dragging and dropping.
-  When you click on a waypoint you will see a popupmenu withe information 
and the possibility to delete the waypoint.
- When you click on a route you an extra waypoint on that point.

When you are ready you can save the route in a gpx-file
- Click on the tab "Sace as". Then you wil see many save options. The first 
option "gpx 1.1 (route,track,poi) works fine for OsmAnd.
The name of the gpx-file is "name of the route. gpx" It is stored in the 
download map of your webbrowser. From there you must copy it to your 
smartphone.

I OsmAnd you can import the gpx-file and show the track on the screen. Then 
you choose navigate with the option 'calculate route between points'. This 
can take a very long time (2-3 minutes). When the calculated route is shown 
on the screen you can see if the route  covers the track. When you see 
differences you can go back to myrouteapp adjust the route and donwload and 
import it again.  
When you are satisfied you can save the calcuted route. 

note:
- Use the standard settings in OsmAnd for optimal results: (fastest route, 
no avoid options)
- I still have problems with the start and the finish. I create the routes 
on the pc with the start and the finish by my house (my location). OsmAnd 
wants me to drive an extra block. Perhaps I should position the start and 
finish away from my house.

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