Re: Govt .net jobs?

[DotNet Dude]

No perks as contractor other than the pay in my experience

On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 4:47 PM, Winston Pang  wrote:
> H, so you're saying it's pretty crap to work for govt? lol
>
> What about all the perks?
>
> On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 4:16 PM, Rob von Nesselrode
>  wrote:
>> I've met about 2 full time govt Employees.
>>
>> The whole floor in Bris at DET is full of contractors. Here today, take the
>> money, gone tomorrow.
>>
>> Or in my case, gone yesterday to a fulltime job in the other world  :-)
>>
>> R
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
>> On Behalf Of Winston Pang
>> Sent: Friday, 13 May 2011 14:24
>> To: ozDotNet
>> Subject: Govt .net jobs?
>>
>> For a nice little friday discussion, I was wondering, where someone would
>> actually go to look for full time govt based jobs in the .NET area? Actualy,
>> do they even exist? I'm talking about Sydney based ones.
>>
>>
>

Re: Govt .net jobs?

[Winston Pang]

H, so you're saying it's pretty crap to work for govt? lol

What about all the perks?

On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 4:16 PM, Rob von Nesselrode
 wrote:
> I've met about 2 full time govt Employees.
>
> The whole floor in Bris at DET is full of contractors. Here today, take the
> money, gone tomorrow.
>
> Or in my case, gone yesterday to a fulltime job in the other world  :-)
>
> R
>
> -Original Message-
> From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
> On Behalf Of Winston Pang
> Sent: Friday, 13 May 2011 14:24
> To: ozDotNet
> Subject: Govt .net jobs?
>
> For a nice little friday discussion, I was wondering, where someone would
> actually go to look for full time govt based jobs in the .NET area? Actualy,
> do they even exist? I'm talking about Sydney based ones.
>
>

RE: SSD minimum size question

[Greg Low (GregLow.com)]

Hi Tony,

 

I've put 3 of the new Crucial M4 512G's into my notebook and have been
*really* happy with them.

 

Regards,

 

Greg

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
On Behalf Of Tony Wright
Sent: Friday, 13 May 2011 12:43 PM
To: 'ozDotNet'
Subject: RE: SSD minimum size question

 

Found the tom's hardware review:

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-ssd-320-crucial-m4-realssd-c400,29
08-6.html

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
On Behalf Of Tony Wright
Sent: Friday, 13 May 2011 12:28 PM
To: 'ozDotNet'
Subject: RE: SSD minimum size question

 

Personally I decided on the 256G. And I've got the same for 3 laptops now. I
don't want to have to waste my time dealing with the possibility of running
out of space. 

 

BTW, there are a number of 3rd gen SSDs out now, not just the Crucial M4,
although they use newer technology which is apparently not as good (cheaper
but not better performing). Some of the 2nd gen drives are pretty awesome if
you can get them for a good price, such as the Crucial C300 (the only 2nd
gen I would buy)

I read the following forum on tom's hardware.

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/266789-32-foot-race-vertex3-intel-crucial

And a comparison site written in French (no I can't read it but google
translate is my friend. If you know of a better comparison, please post it
as I'm interested)

http://www.hardware.fr/articles/830-7/comparatif-ssd-2011-crucial-m4-ocz-ver
tex-3-intel-510-320.html

 

T.

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
On Behalf Of Matt Siebert
Sent: Wednesday, 11 May 2011 10:22 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: SSD minimum size question

 

I got a 120 GB SSD about 2 months ago (107 GB usable) and have been running
with around 43 GB free space for most of that time.

 

I'm careful to keep my documents and photos on another drive but I do have a
frequently used XP VM on there occupying about 8 GB.

 

If I did a cleanup I could probably get away with a 60 GB drive if I had to,
but for a development machine I'd really want 120 GB.

On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 4:23 PM, Ian Thomas  wrote:

Incidentally, Windows 7 SP1 now installs OK on his system.

It's a pity that the installer didn't give an appropriate message, instead
of just terminating with some unrelated or incomprehensible message. How
hard is it to say "you're out of disk space, dude"? 

I wouldn't have thought a 60Gb SSD was too small, though. 

  _  

Ian Thomas
Victoria Park, Western Australia

  _  

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
On Behalf Of Ian Thomas
Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 2:18 PM
To: 'ozDotNet'
Subject: RE: SSD minimum size question

 

We were looking for something like that, Joseph - I'll pass it on. Wading
through the Power Settings didn't make that clear. 

(just found the same advice from Hanselman, too)

  _  

Ian Thomas
Victoria Park, Western Australia

 

RE: Smart sheet - how do they do it?

[David Boccabella]

Sometime just doing a  view source will give little snippets of information
re what JS files are downloaded as well.   As most AJAX controls need  JS
files on the client you can usually grab those as well and see if there is
any copyright info in them ID'ing the company and the controls that are
used.

 

Reverse Engineering can be fun.

 

Dave

 

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
On Behalf Of Kirsten Greed
Sent: Thursday, 12 May 2011 2:15 PM
To: 'ozDotNet'
Subject: Smart sheet - how do they do it?

 

Hi All

I recently started playing with a web based project management solution
www.smartsheet.com  

The user interface is very smooth for something running on the web

Can anyone tell me what it could be written in?

Thanks

Kirsten

 

 

RE: Govt .net jobs?

[Rob von Nesselrode]

I've met about 2 full time govt Employees.

The whole floor in Bris at DET is full of contractors. Here today, take the
money, gone tomorrow.

Or in my case, gone yesterday to a fulltime job in the other world  :-)

R 

-Original Message-
From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
On Behalf Of Winston Pang
Sent: Friday, 13 May 2011 14:24
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Govt .net jobs?

For a nice little friday discussion, I was wondering, where someone would
actually go to look for full time govt based jobs in the .NET area? Actualy,
do they even exist? I'm talking about Sydney based ones.

Re: [OT] Visual Studio 2010 Premium Edition

[Grant Molloy]

Maybe the local MS Vendor could come up with a special on MSDN subscriptions
and offer an extended service from FIJI...


On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 12:04 PM, Les Hughes  wrote:

> Greg Keogh wrote:
>
>> Oh well, it seems that the Harris price is on the low end for SAO MSDN
>> Premium with VS2010, so I've begrudgingly paid for the upgrade so I can get
>> the Office and Expression suites and kits on top of the SDKs, DBs and OSs
>> (I'm begrudged because for the same price I can get a week long holiday on
>> 5-star private island resort in Fiji). The subscription is petty cash for a
>> large company, but it hurts a bit when you're a one man business. However my
>> wife reminded me that it's a tax deduction so I would feel better -- Greg
>>
>>
> What about our Fiji.NET 1.5 week conference at the Hyatt Suva, where we
> have daily development talks situated at the bar in the swimming pool?
>
> :))
> --
>
> Les Hughes
> l...@datarev.com.au
>

Re: [OT] Visual Studio 2010 Premium Edition

[mike smith]

On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 12:04 PM, Les Hughes  wrote:
> Greg Keogh wrote:
>>
>> Oh well, it seems that the Harris price is on the low end for SAO MSDN
>> Premium with VS2010, so I've begrudgingly paid for the upgrade so I can get
>> the Office and Expression suites and kits on top of the SDKs, DBs and OSs
>> (I'm begrudged because for the same price I can get a week long holiday on
>> 5-star private island resort in Fiji). The subscription is petty cash for a
>> large company, but it hurts a bit when you're a one man business. However my
>> wife reminded me that it's a tax deduction so I would feel better -- Greg
>>
>
> What about our Fiji.NET 1.5 week conference at the Hyatt Suva, where we have
> daily development talks situated at the bar in the swimming pool?

Is there an extended conference?  I can feel an attack of stupidity coming on :)

>
> :))
> --
> Les Hughes
> l...@datarev.com.au
>



-- 
Meski

"Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure,
you'll get it, but it's going to be rough" - Adam Hills

Re: [OT] Visual Studio 2010 Premium Edition

[Stephen Price]

How come I haven't heard of this conference? Where do I sign up? :)

On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 10:04 AM, Les Hughes  wrote:
> Greg Keogh wrote:
>>
>> Oh well, it seems that the Harris price is on the low end for SAO MSDN
>> Premium with VS2010, so I've begrudgingly paid for the upgrade so I can get
>> the Office and Expression suites and kits on top of the SDKs, DBs and OSs
>> (I'm begrudged because for the same price I can get a week long holiday on
>> 5-star private island resort in Fiji). The subscription is petty cash for a
>> large company, but it hurts a bit when you're a one man business. However my
>> wife reminded me that it's a tax deduction so I would feel better -- Greg
>>
>
> What about our Fiji.NET 1.5 week conference at the Hyatt Suva, where we have
> daily development talks situated at the bar in the swimming pool?
>
> :))
> --
> Les Hughes
> l...@datarev.com.au
>

Govt .net jobs?

[Winston Pang]

For a nice little friday discussion, I was wondering, where someone
would actually go to look for full time govt based jobs in the .NET
area? Actualy, do they even exist? I'm talking about Sydney based
ones.

Re: JetBrains enters the .NET decompilation business

[Greg Kennedy]

The JetBrains one is probably a stand alone version of what they seem to
have planned for resharper 6. -
http://blogs.jetbrains.com/dotnet/2011/02/resharper-6-bundles-decompiler-free-standalone-tool-to-follow/

Decompiler built into a tool which so many developers already use could
spell the beginning of the end for Reflector unless they keep inovating
which they won't if the free one remains stagnant.

Greg

On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 11:39 AM, Winston Pang wrote:

> All these alternatives, still love Reflector, JetBrains one looks
> pretty crap in terms of usability and flow, the Telerik one is a good
> competition so is the ILSpy one, interesting point, Telerik and ILSpy
> both leverage the Mono Cecil library for the magic, but doesn't seem
> like JetBrains do.
>
> On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 11:12 AM, Geoff Appleby 
> wrote:
> > There's also an open source one floating around now too.
> > http://www.ilspy.net/
> >
> > On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 11:10 AM, Stephen Price <
> step...@littlevoices.com>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Just to note on that that RedGate have had a reversal in their
> >> decision to not provide a free version.
> >> Short version is there will be a free version that won't get further
> >> updates, which I'm assuming will not be timebombed.
> >>
> >> Jetbrains and Telerik have released decompilers. Competition is a good
> >> thing. I'm betting RedGate wished they kept things as they were. It's
> >> like when a super hero creates their evil nemissis in a tragic
> >> accident in a chemical lab. Hmm my spider-sense is tingling... I think
> >> David is going green about this thread springing up again. ;)
> >>
> >> On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 7:00 AM, Joseph Clark 
> >> wrote:
> >> > For those who haven't seen it, looks like the RedGate debacle has
> given
> >> > some
> >> > room for others to try and muscle in on the business. JetBrains
> >> > (ReSharper,
> >> > et al.) have released a new decompiler product for C#:
> >> > http://www.jetbrains.com/decompiler/
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Geoff Appleby
> > Blog: http://www.crankygoblin.com/geoff
> > Twitter: http://twitter.com/g_appleby
> > Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/geoff.appleby
> >
>

Re: DDD Melbourne - Ticket gone

[David Burstin]

Sorry folks (except one of you), the ticket is gone.

On 13 May 2011 13:34, David Burstin  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I can't go anymore, so I have a FREE ticket to give away for DDD Melbourne
> on 28th of May (normally $25).
>
> Goes to the first reply I get in my inbox.
>
> Please only take the ticket if you will DEFINITELY use it.
>
> Cheers
> Dave
>

Re: In Melbourne in June, who's interested in a geek dinner?

[David Connors]

On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 12:56 PM, Greg Keogh  wrote:

> Just try and keep me away from any dinner and drinks! Let us know when,
> when you know--
>

I'll be in Melbourne that long weekend of the 10th/13th (have another
birthday to go to so may not be able to make it depending on when you want
to have the dinner).

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Re: In Melbourne in June, who's interested in a geek dinner?

[Les Hughes]

Greg Keogh wrote:


I’m back in Melbourne for 4 weeks starting 10^th June. Anyone 
interested in getting together for a geek dinner/drinks?


Just try and keep me away from any dinner and drinks! Let us know 
when, when you know-- Greg



Yep. Keep us all updated :)
--
Les Hughes
l...@datarev.com.au

DDD Melbourne

[David Burstin]

Hi all,

I can't go anymore, so I have a FREE ticket to give away for DDD Melbourne
on 28th of May (normally $25).

Goes to the first reply I get in my inbox.

Please only take the ticket if you will DEFINITELY use it.

Cheers
Dave

RE: In Melbourne in June, who's interested in a geek dinner?

[Greg Keogh]

I'm back in Melbourne for 4 weeks starting 10th June. Anyone interested in
getting together for a geek dinner/drinks?

 

Just try and keep me away from any dinner and drinks! Let us know when, when
you know-- Greg

RE: SSD minimum size question

[Ben.Robbins]

I find Anandtech has the best coverage of SSDs, it's much more detailed and 
in-depth than Tom's Hardware for SSDs.

The SDD articles are here: http://www.anandtech.com/tag/storage
They have a handy benchmark too: http://www.anandtech.com/bench/SSD/65

The SandForce SF-2000 series drives appear to be the clear benchmark winners at 
the moment, but they are expensive and you want to ensure you have SATA3 
controller as they will easily saturate SATA2.

Ben


From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Tony Wright
Sent: Friday, 13 May 2011 10:28 AM
To: 'ozDotNet'
Subject: RE: SSD minimum size question

Personally I decided on the 256G. And I've got the same for 3 laptops now. I 
don't want to have to waste my time dealing with the possibility of running out 
of space.

BTW, there are a number of 3rd gen SSDs out now, not just the Crucial M4, 
although they use newer technology which is apparently not as good (cheaper but 
not better performing). Some of the 2nd gen drives are pretty awesome if you 
can get them for a good price, such as the Crucial C300 (the only 2nd gen I 
would buy)
I read the following forum on tom's hardware.
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/266789-32-foot-race-vertex3-intel-crucial
And a comparison site written in French (no I can't read it but google 
translate is my friend. If you know of a better comparison, please post it as 
I'm interested)
http://www.hardware.fr/articles/830-7/comparatif-ssd-2011-crucial-m4-ocz-vertex-3-intel-510-320.html

T.

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Matt Siebert
Sent: Wednesday, 11 May 2011 10:22 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: SSD minimum size question

I got a 120 GB SSD about 2 months ago (107 GB usable) and have been running 
with around 43 GB free space for most of that time.

I'm careful to keep my documents and photos on another drive but I do have a 
frequently used XP VM on there occupying about 8 GB.

If I did a cleanup I could probably get away with a 60 GB drive if I had to, 
but for a development machine I'd really want 120 GB.
On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 4:23 PM, Ian Thomas 
mailto:il.tho...@iinet.net.au>> wrote:
Incidentally, Windows 7 SP1 now installs OK on his system.
It's a pity that the installer didn't give an appropriate message, instead of 
just terminating with some unrelated or incomprehensible message. How hard is 
it to say "you're out of disk space, dude"?
I wouldn't have thought a 60Gb SSD was too small, though.


Ian Thomas
Victoria Park, Western Australia


From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com 
[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Ian Thomas
Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 2:18 PM
To: 'ozDotNet'
Subject: RE: SSD minimum size question

We were looking for something like that, Joseph - I'll pass it on. Wading 
through the Power Settings didn't make that clear.
(just found the same advice from Hanselman, too)


Ian Thomas
Victoria Park, Western Australia


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RE: SSD minimum size question

[Tony Wright]

Found the tom's hardware review:

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-ssd-320-crucial-m4-realssd-c400,29
08-6.html

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
On Behalf Of Tony Wright
Sent: Friday, 13 May 2011 12:28 PM
To: 'ozDotNet'
Subject: RE: SSD minimum size question

 

Personally I decided on the 256G. And I've got the same for 3 laptops now. I
don't want to have to waste my time dealing with the possibility of running
out of space. 

 

BTW, there are a number of 3rd gen SSDs out now, not just the Crucial M4,
although they use newer technology which is apparently not as good (cheaper
but not better performing). Some of the 2nd gen drives are pretty awesome if
you can get them for a good price, such as the Crucial C300 (the only 2nd
gen I would buy)

I read the following forum on tom's hardware.

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/266789-32-foot-race-vertex3-intel-crucial

And a comparison site written in French (no I can't read it but google
translate is my friend. If you know of a better comparison, please post it
as I'm interested)

http://www.hardware.fr/articles/830-7/comparatif-ssd-2011-crucial-m4-ocz-ver
tex-3-intel-510-320.html

 

T.

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
On Behalf Of Matt Siebert
Sent: Wednesday, 11 May 2011 10:22 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: SSD minimum size question

 

I got a 120 GB SSD about 2 months ago (107 GB usable) and have been running
with around 43 GB free space for most of that time.

 

I'm careful to keep my documents and photos on another drive but I do have a
frequently used XP VM on there occupying about 8 GB.

 

If I did a cleanup I could probably get away with a 60 GB drive if I had to,
but for a development machine I'd really want 120 GB.

On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 4:23 PM, Ian Thomas  wrote:

Incidentally, Windows 7 SP1 now installs OK on his system.

It's a pity that the installer didn't give an appropriate message, instead
of just terminating with some unrelated or incomprehensible message. How
hard is it to say "you're out of disk space, dude"? 

I wouldn't have thought a 60Gb SSD was too small, though. 

  _  

Ian Thomas
Victoria Park, Western Australia

  _  

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
On Behalf Of Ian Thomas
Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 2:18 PM
To: 'ozDotNet'
Subject: RE: SSD minimum size question

 

We were looking for something like that, Joseph - I'll pass it on. Wading
through the Power Settings didn't make that clear. 

(just found the same advice from Hanselman, too)

  _  

Ian Thomas
Victoria Park, Western Australia

 

RE: SSD minimum size question

[Tony Wright]

Personally I decided on the 256G. And I've got the same for 3 laptops now. I
don't want to have to waste my time dealing with the possibility of running
out of space. 

 

BTW, there are a number of 3rd gen SSDs out now, not just the Crucial M4,
although they use newer technology which is apparently not as good (cheaper
but not better performing). Some of the 2nd gen drives are pretty awesome if
you can get them for a good price, such as the Crucial C300 (the only 2nd
gen I would buy)

I read the following forum on tom's hardware.

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/266789-32-foot-race-vertex3-intel-crucial

And a comparison site written in French (no I can't read it but google
translate is my friend. If you know of a better comparison, please post it
as I'm interested)

http://www.hardware.fr/articles/830-7/comparatif-ssd-2011-crucial-m4-ocz-ver
tex-3-intel-510-320.html

 

T.

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
On Behalf Of Matt Siebert
Sent: Wednesday, 11 May 2011 10:22 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: SSD minimum size question

 

I got a 120 GB SSD about 2 months ago (107 GB usable) and have been running
with around 43 GB free space for most of that time.

 

I'm careful to keep my documents and photos on another drive but I do have a
frequently used XP VM on there occupying about 8 GB.

 

If I did a cleanup I could probably get away with a 60 GB drive if I had to,
but for a development machine I'd really want 120 GB.

On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 4:23 PM, Ian Thomas  wrote:

Incidentally, Windows 7 SP1 now installs OK on his system.

It's a pity that the installer didn't give an appropriate message, instead
of just terminating with some unrelated or incomprehensible message. How
hard is it to say "you're out of disk space, dude"? 

I wouldn't have thought a 60Gb SSD was too small, though. 

  _  

Ian Thomas
Victoria Park, Western Australia

  _  

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
On Behalf Of Ian Thomas
Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 2:18 PM
To: 'ozDotNet'
Subject: RE: SSD minimum size question

 

We were looking for something like that, Joseph - I'll pass it on. Wading
through the Power Settings didn't make that clear. 

(just found the same advice from Hanselman, too)

  _  

Ian Thomas
Victoria Park, Western Australia

 

In Melbourne in June, who's interested in a geek dinner?

[David Kean]

I'm back in Melbourne for 4 weeks starting 10th June. Anyone interested in 
getting together for a geek dinner/drinks?

Re: [OT] Visual Studio 2010 Premium Edition

[Les Hughes]

Greg Keogh wrote:

Oh well, it seems that the Harris price is on the low end for SAO MSDN Premium 
with VS2010, so I've begrudgingly paid for the upgrade so I can get the Office 
and Expression suites and kits on top of the SDKs, DBs and OSs (I'm begrudged 
because for the same price I can get a week long holiday on 5-star private 
island resort in Fiji). The subscription is petty cash for a large company, but 
it hurts a bit when you're a one man business. However my wife reminded me that 
it's a tax deduction so I would feel better -- Greg
  
What about our Fiji.NET 1.5 week conference at the Hyatt Suva, where we 
have daily development talks situated at the bar in the swimming pool?


:))
--
Les Hughes
l...@datarev.com.au

RE: [OT] Visual Studio 2010 Premium Edition

[Greg Keogh]

Oh well, it seems that the Harris price is on the low end for SAO MSDN Premium 
with VS2010, so I've begrudgingly paid for the upgrade so I can get the Office 
and Expression suites and kits on top of the SDKs, DBs and OSs (I'm begrudged 
because for the same price I can get a week long holiday on 5-star private 
island resort in Fiji). The subscription is petty cash for a large company, but 
it hurts a bit when you're a one man business. However my wife reminded me that 
it's a tax deduction so I would feel better -- Greg

Re: Smart sheet - how do they do it?

[David Connors]

On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 11:12 AM, Greg Keogh  wrote:

> When a friend showed me the generated code from his large GTK project a few
> months ago I was amazed that the huge unreadable mass of scripts could even
> load and run reliably in a browser, but obviously it does. It’s a helluva
> way to write apps! I personally prefer the Silverlight plug-in model.
>

The trick is just to think of JS as the assembly language of the Internet -
then it makes sense. :)

GWT is very impressive. If you use eclipse as the IDE you get full type
safety, single step debugging w/ breakpoints etc as you write all of the
code in Java. You then 'compile' it to JS and it handles all of the
brain-damage of producing browser-specific targets.

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RE: Smart sheet - how do they do it?

[Greg Keogh]

Looking at the code through Google dev tools I found a reference to
www.coolite.com - .NET controls built on top of ExtJS (Sencha).

Sencha - www.sencha.com, have JavaScript framework called ExtJS

 

Yes, this must be how they've done it. I couldn't even find "the code" for a
clue. The results are just lovely, even better than the best demos I've seen
in Silverlight. The look-and-feel reproductions of desktop controls are just
astonishing, but it's even more astonishing that the whole things is an
illusion created by a combination of generated HTML and JavaScript.

 

When a friend showed me the generated code from his large GTK project a few
months ago I was amazed that the huge unreadable mass of scripts could even
load and run reliably in a browser, but obviously it does. It's a helluva
way to write apps! I personally prefer the Silverlight plug-in model.

 

Greg

 

Re: Smart sheet - how do they do it?

[Filip Kratochvil]

Looking at the code through Google dev tools I found a reference to
www.coolite.com - .NET controls built on top of ExtJS (Sencha).
Sencha - www.sencha.com, have JavaScript framework called ExtJS - check out
the demos, there is also Sencha Touch for mobile devices
Steep learning curve for ExtJS, but the API is quite nice and once you know
ExtJS, developing with Sencha Touch is pretty much the same.
Visually, ExtJS 4 is highly customisable with the use of Compass/SASS/CSS3.

HTH,
Filip


On 12 May 2011 14:14, Kirsten Greed  wrote:

>  Hi All
>
> I recently started playing with a web based project management solution
> www.smartsheet.com
>
> The user interface is very smooth for something running on the web
>
> Can anyone tell me what it could be written in?
>
> Thanks
>
> Kirsten
>
>
>
>
>

Re: Smart sheet - how do they do it?

[Stephen Price]

Long press opens context menus in various places on WP7.

So yeah, long press looks popular.

Having just got myself an eee slate EP121 (loving it so far!) I'm
discovering all the joys of non tablet friendly apps. Windows 7 is not
bad for it but hear Windows 8 will be improved in the touch
department.

Bigger buttons, gestures, all that sort of stuff. Tablets are the new
mobile. (ie you know how so many web sites are not mobile friendly.
same deal with touch)

On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 3:06 PM, David Richards
 wrote:
> Actually, long-press is the replacement for right click.  WinMo has
> it, Android has it, I've seen it used in ios apps but I'm not sure
> it's considered standard there.  Not sure about WP7.
>
>
> David
>
> "If we can hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominoes
>  will fall like a house of cards... checkmate!"
>  -Zapp Brannigan, Futurama
>
>
> On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 17:02, Richard Blackman
>  wrote:
>> Multi touch is becoming a replacement for right clicking as on the latest
>> macbooks.
>>
>>
>>
>> From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
>> On Behalf Of Michael Minutillo
>> Sent: Thursday, 12 May 2011 1:39 PM
>>
>>
>>
>> Fair enough. As we move into an environment where touch is more important,
>> right-clicking someone loses it's meaning anyway I guess.
>>
>> On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 1:36 PM, Craig van Nieuwkerk 
>> wrote:
>>
>

RE: Smart sheet - how do they do it?

[Richard Blackman]

Pretty sure it's been in macs since the 90s (maybe 80s??) because of single 
button mice. 

-Original Message-
From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Sam Lai
Sent: Thursday, 12 May 2011 3:21 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: Smart sheet - how do they do it?

On 12 May 2011 17:06, David Richards  wrote:
> Actually, long-press is the replacement for right click.  WinMo has 
> it, Android has it, I've seen it used in ios apps but I'm not sure 
> it's considered standard there.  Not sure about WP7.

It's used in Safari for opening links in a new page, so that's at least tacit 
approval by Apple, even if it isn't in the HIG.

>
> David
>
> "If we can hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominoes
>  will fall like a house of cards... checkmate!"
>  -Zapp Brannigan, Futurama
>
>
> On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 17:02, Richard Blackman 
>  wrote:
>> Multi touch is becoming a replacement for right clicking as on the 
>> latest macbooks.
>>
>>
>>
>> From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com 
>> [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
>> On Behalf Of Michael Minutillo
>> Sent: Thursday, 12 May 2011 1:39 PM
>>
>>
>>
>> Fair enough. As we move into an environment where touch is more 
>> important, right-clicking someone loses it's meaning anyway I guess.
>>
>> On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 1:36 PM, Craig van Nieuwkerk 
>> 
>> wrote:
>>
>

Re: Smart sheet - how do they do it?

[Sam Lai]

On 12 May 2011 17:06, David Richards  wrote:
> Actually, long-press is the replacement for right click.  WinMo has
> it, Android has it, I've seen it used in ios apps but I'm not sure
> it's considered standard there.  Not sure about WP7.

It's used in Safari for opening links in a new page, so that's at
least tacit approval by Apple, even if it isn't in the HIG.

>
> David
>
> "If we can hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominoes
>  will fall like a house of cards... checkmate!"
>  -Zapp Brannigan, Futurama
>
>
> On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 17:02, Richard Blackman
>  wrote:
>> Multi touch is becoming a replacement for right clicking as on the latest
>> macbooks.
>>
>>
>>
>> From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
>> On Behalf Of Michael Minutillo
>> Sent: Thursday, 12 May 2011 1:39 PM
>>
>>
>>
>> Fair enough. As we move into an environment where touch is more important,
>> right-clicking someone loses it's meaning anyway I guess.
>>
>> On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 1:36 PM, Craig van Nieuwkerk 
>> wrote:
>>
>

Re: Smart sheet - how do they do it?

[David Richards]

Actually, long-press is the replacement for right click.  WinMo has
it, Android has it, I've seen it used in ios apps but I'm not sure
it's considered standard there.  Not sure about WP7.


David

"If we can hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominoes
 will fall like a house of cards... checkmate!"
 -Zapp Brannigan, Futurama


On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 17:02, Richard Blackman
 wrote:
> Multi touch is becoming a replacement for right clicking as on the latest
> macbooks.
>
>
>
> From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
> On Behalf Of Michael Minutillo
> Sent: Thursday, 12 May 2011 1:39 PM
>
>
>
> Fair enough. As we move into an environment where touch is more important,
> right-clicking someone loses it's meaning anyway I guess.
>
> On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 1:36 PM, Craig van Nieuwkerk 
> wrote:
>

RE: Smart sheet - how do they do it?

[Richard Blackman]

Multi touch is becoming a replacement for right clicking as on the latest 
macbooks.

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Michael Minutillo
Sent: Thursday, 12 May 2011 1:39 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: Smart sheet - how do they do it?

Fair enough. As we move into an environment where touch is more important, 
right-clicking someone loses it's meaning anyway I guess.

On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 1:36 PM, Craig van Nieuwkerk 
mailto:crai...@gmail.com>> wrote:


It really depends on whether you believe in the browser as hosting "the web" or 
"applications". Historically it has been about the web but it seems that we're 
making room for applications as well.

It is a fine line. Even when using a browser to run apps I think the user 
normally has a clear understanding they are running it in a browser and not a 
standard desktop app, so while you can have some desktop like para-dimes, I 
think breaking web ones is not good. I also don't like drop down menus much in 
web apps.

Craig.

RE: Smart sheet - how do they do it?

[Richard Blackman]

I would bet it’s gwt on google app engine…

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Joseph Cooney
Sent: Thursday, 12 May 2011 2:54 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: Smart sheet - how do they do it?

Gtk or gwt?

On 12/05/2011, at 4:39 PM, "Greg Keogh" mailto:g...@mira.net>> 
wrote:
I saw the demo running and I was also amazed by the smooth and rich experience 
and wondered how it was done. Viewing the page source only showed some frames 
with no clue about what was in them. Right-clicking produced application 
context menus. I could find no direct evidence for Silverlight or Flash driving 
the thing. I was totally stumped by how it was done. Perhaps it was GTK, but it 
seemed better than the best stuff I’ve seen done in GTK.

I just went to their contact web page and posted a question asking them how 
their developers created the UI. Let’s see if they respond and reveal their 
magic!

Greg