Re: Other developers don't like dependency injection
#1 I am a fan of DI and agree about the hard way of selling it. My reasoning for DI is tests. *Tests help us to prevent regression, clarify requirements with clients (BDD) and act as documentation. In order to write some tests we need to inject a dummy. How do we inject a dummy? -- DI* #2 I am not a big fan of IoC containers either. I have similar experiences as Justin documented here (although the setup of dependencies can become messy without IoCC) http://codelikebozo.com/breaking-up-with-ioc .peter.gfader. (current mood = happy) http://blog.gfader.com On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 10:05 AM, djones...@gmail.com wrote: ** I don't buy the cheaper maintence costs argument, the 5 projects that I am supporting all use spring for DI. I spend half of my time trying to figure out how the damn thing is configured. Although a code based injector without xml config files at least alows you to debug the code and see what is missing. I like DI, but it sure doesn't save time. Davy When all you have is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail. I feel much the same way about xml -- *From: * mike smith meski...@gmail.com *Sender: * ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com *Date: *Thu, 27 Oct 2011 16:46:45 +1100 *To: *ozDotNetozdotnet@ozdotnet.com *ReplyTo: * ozDotNet ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com *Subject: *Re: Other developers don't like dependency injection On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 3:00 PM, Nathan Schultz milish...@gmail.comwrote: I'd probably sell it differently. Instead of saying you don't know where the objects come from, say that objects come from a centrally configured location (since in practice the objects are usually defined in configuration, or in bootstrap code). And sell cheaper maintenance costs (modular design, easy to refactor, easy to replace components, easier to extend, fewer system wide bugs, helps with a cleaner implementation, less spaghetti code, etc). To get it past some of the old hats here I temporarily changed terminology. Dependency Injection (let alone IoC) would draw blank looks, but say plug-in system, and they've all rolled one before and are comfortable with the concept. Also, it sounds like those baddies, DLL Injection SQL Injection. Make it sound different, and you could get a better reaction. -- Meski http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure, you'll get it, but it's going to be rough - Adam Hills -- .peter.gfader. Current mood = happy! Check this before you go live http://blog.gfader.com/2011/07/website-check-list-part-1-aspnet-4.html
Re: Other developers don't like dependency injection
As others have said try selling it differently...but don't expect miracles because that's what's needed with some developers. I've run into a few. If there is true benefit to DI in your project(s) then push for it but don't get too upset if you don't get your way. I'm curious though, how is unit testing happening without at least some DI? Or are only parts of the system being unit tested and the rest ignored? On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 2:15 PM, Michael Ridland rid...@gmail.com wrote: So I've been working with this client for a few years now, all the other developers aren't alt.net type. They're older and just love their RAD, User Controls, coming from a dephi background. It took me a while but finally I got them doing unit testing, but still not as much as I would like. Today I also tried to convince them(the development manager) to use dependency injection but he said it was over complicating things and it's confusing because you didn't know where the object came from. I argued for decoupling and that objects shouldn't need to know where dependences came from or how they were instantiated, objects should only worry about their unit of work. Am I wrong?
RE: Sharepoint 2010 - Is it safe to delete doc library templates?
I _think_ you should be OK. I just did a similar thing with a SharePoint List, creating a template from an existing list, using the template to create a new list, then deleting the template. The list I created from the template still works OK. This was with SharePoint 2007, but I would expect 2010 would be the same (not taking any responsibility if it doesn't though! J ) Mark. From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Winston Pang Sent: Thursday, 27 October 2011 11:29 AM To: ozDotNet Subject: Sharepoint 2010 - Is it safe to delete doc library templates? Hey everyone, Quick question, if you have a doc library template, and you've created some doc library instances based off this template, is it safe to remove this template once you're done with it? Thanks. -Winston
Vmware
Hi All, My home machine is a 4 core 8 thread i7-960. I have allowed Vmware to take all 4 cores. However even when all CPU cores for the VM are loaded at 93% on all cores the host machine's CPU is only loaded at 60%. Does anyone know of any ways to make the Host PC take on more load ? Thanks, Tom
RE: Vmware
Hi Tom - I'd take a look at the power plans that the host and guest are running. Thomas From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Tom Gao Sent: Friday, 28 October 2011 6:57 AM To: 'ozDotNet' Subject: Vmware Hi All, My home machine is a 4 core 8 thread i7-960. I have allowed Vmware to take all 4 cores. However even when all CPU cores for the VM are loaded at 93% on all cores the host machine's CPU is only loaded at 60%. Does anyone know of any ways to make the Host PC take on more load ? Thanks, Tom Peninsula Health - Metropolitan Health Service of the Year 2007 2009
