Re: New laptop for developer, has 16Gb RAM
3.1 with the best of everything in it. The only thing I bought that wasn't max'd out was 16gb instead of 32. On Feb 23, 2012 4:49 PM, David Connors da...@codify.com wrote: On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 4:45 PM, Wallace Turner wallacetur...@gmail.comwrote: Dave, what did that cost and how heavy is it? ~$4500 RRP, I paid $2700.01 inc GST. 2.79KG it says on the web site but that is 'starting from' - could be without HDD or battery. I'll put it on the bathroom scales tonight and post the actual weight for you. It is damned fast the AMD GPU is great (can drive up to 6 displays with a bit of mucking around). It has no problems driving 1 x 2560 x 1440 display and 2 x 1920 x 1080 displays on my desk in the office. -- *David Connors* | da...@codify.com | www.codify.com Codify Pty Ltd Phone: +61 (7) 3210 6268 | Facsimile: +61 (7) 3210 6269 | Mobile: +61 417 189 363 V-Card: https://www.codify.com/cards/davidconnors Address Info: https://www.codify.com/contact
Re: New laptop for developer, has 16Gb RAM
Laptops are like phones (and women, come to think of it). There's always a better one available in less than six months. You want to upgrade it in less than six months. There's never a perfect system specs, IF ONLY you could take those specs from that laptop and combine with the specs from that other laptop, and make it weigh like that thin ultra portable laptop specs you've been dreaming about... And on top of that, figure out what to do with the other three laptops you have from previous upgrades... I forgot to mention the specs of your Desktop out perform your laptop for half the price... Oh, and after acquiring said perfect laptop (or woman), David posts his specs of his latest laptop (or woman) and puts yours to shame. Sends you crying off into lurksville... (bastard) What a problem to have... :) On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 2:49 PM, David Connors da...@codify.com wrote: On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 4:45 PM, Wallace Turner wallacetur...@gmail.comwrote: Dave, what did that cost and how heavy is it? ~$4500 RRP, I paid $2700.01 inc GST. 2.79KG it says on the web site but that is 'starting from' - could be without HDD or battery. I'll put it on the bathroom scales tonight and post the actual weight for you. It is damned fast the AMD GPU is great (can drive up to 6 displays with a bit of mucking around). It has no problems driving 1 x 2560 x 1440 display and 2 x 1920 x 1080 displays on my desk in the office. -- *David Connors* | da...@codify.com | www.codify.com Codify Pty Ltd Phone: +61 (7) 3210 6268 | Facsimile: +61 (7) 3210 6269 | Mobile: +61 417 189 363 V-Card: https://www.codify.com/cards/davidconnors Address Info: https://www.codify.com/contact
RE: New laptop for developer, has 16Gb RAM
From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Price Sent: Thursday, 23 February 2012 4:46 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: New laptop for developer, has 16Gb RAM Laptops are like phones (and women, come to think of it). There's always a better one available in less than six months. You want to upgrade it in less than six months. There's never a perfect system specs, IF ONLY you could take those specs from that laptop and combine with the specs from that other laptop, and make it weigh like that thin ultra portable laptop specs you've been dreaming about... Seriously: http://www.sony.com.au/product/vpcz227gg/specs - 1.12kg
Re: New laptop for developer, has 16Gb RAM
On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 7:18 PM, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.com wrote: ** ** *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Stephen Price *Sent:* Thursday, 23 February 2012 4:46 PM *To:* ozDotNet *Subject:* Re: New laptop for developer, has 16Gb RAM ** ** Laptops are like phones (and women, come to think of it). There's always a better one available in less than six months. You want to upgrade it in less than six months. There's never a perfect system specs, IF ONLY you could take those specs from that laptop and combine with the specs from that other laptop, and make it weigh like that thin ultra portable laptop specs you've been dreaming about... ** ** Seriously: http://www.sony.com.au/product/vpcz227gg/specs - 1.12kg To follow on from Stephen's analogy, she is a bit doey, can't draw without her louis vuitton luggage in tow, and isn't really interested in resolution of matters, and is probably high maintenance. -- *David Connors* | da...@codify.com | www.codify.com Codify Pty Ltd Phone: +61 (7) 3210 6268 | Facsimile: +61 (7) 3210 6269 | Mobile: +61 417 189 363 V-Card: https://www.codify.com/cards/davidconnors Address Info: https://www.codify.com/contact
RE: redirect trace to textbox performance
You are correct i probably am running out of memory..will create a FILO buffer for the test -Original Message- From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of David Kean Sent: Thursday, 23 February 2012 6:44 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: RE: redirect trace to textbox performance At a wild guess, are you throwing away the trace at all? Or do you just keep adding to the text box? You're probably running out of memory. -Original Message- From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Mark Hurd Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 11:24 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: redirect trace to textbox performance On 23 February 2012 17:17, ifum...@gmail.com wrote: I have been redirecting the trace.writeline output to a textbox in most of my applications. Its works great and helps me resolve issues very quickly but i find it can decrease the performance of the application dramatically. Anyone suggest the better way do this? I am aware of log4net etc but interested in other people suggestions/opinions. I use a sub like this to make it thread safe Private Sub objTraceListener_TextChanged(ByVal sText As String) Handles objTraceListener.TextChanged I haven't actually looked it up to confirm, but I guess the TextChanged event is actually (sender As Object, sText As String) and the infrastructure used to allow alternative event signatures seems a bit interesting. Whether it is actually a performance issue though, I don't know -- profile it. snip Anthony -- Regards, Mark Hurd, B.Sc.(Ma.)(Hons.)
RE: New laptop for developer, has 16Gb RAM
Thanks guys, He already has the laptop. Trying to resolve whether to set it up with Windows server 2008 R2 or just go for Windows 7. PG Peter Griffith CP http://pgriffith.wordpress.com http://pgriffith.wordpress.com PH: 0408 832 891 From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of David Connors Sent: Thursday, 23 February 2012 8:30 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: New laptop for developer, has 16Gb RAM On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 7:18 PM, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.com wrote: From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Price Sent: Thursday, 23 February 2012 4:46 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: New laptop for developer, has 16Gb RAM Laptops are like phones (and women, come to think of it). There's always a better one available in less than six months. You want to upgrade it in less than six months. There's never a perfect system specs, IF ONLY you could take those specs from that laptop and combine with the specs from that other laptop, and make it weigh like that thin ultra portable laptop specs you've been dreaming about... Seriously: http://www.sony.com.au/product/vpcz227gg/specs - 1.12kg To follow on from Stephen's analogy, she is a bit doey, can't draw without her louis vuitton luggage in tow, and isn't really interested in resolution of matters, and is probably high maintenance. -- David Connors | mailto:da...@codify.com da...@codify.com | http://www.codify.com www.codify.com Codify Pty Ltd Phone: +61 (7) 3210 6268 | Facsimile: +61 (7) 3210 6269 | Mobile: +61 417 189 363 V-Card: https://www.codify.com/cards/davidconnors https://www.codify.com/cards/davidconnors Address Info: https://www.codify.com/contact https://www.codify.com/contact
RE: New laptop for developer, has 16Gb RAM
I use win 7 x64 with VMWare. Put the server OS'es in VMs |-Original Message- |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Peter Griffith |Sent: Friday, 24 February 2012 8:56 AM |To: 'ozDotNet' |Subject: RE: New laptop for developer, has 16Gb RAM | |Thanks guys, | | He already has the laptop. | | | | Trying to resolve whether to set it up with Windows server 2008 R2 or |just go for Windows 7. | | | |PG | | | |Peter Griffith CP | |http://pgriffith.wordpress.com http://pgriffith.wordpress.com | |PH: 0408 832 891 | | | |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of David Connors |Sent: Thursday, 23 February 2012 8:30 PM |To: ozDotNet |Subject: Re: New laptop for developer, has 16Gb RAM | | | |On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 7:18 PM, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.com wrote: | | | |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Price |Sent: Thursday, 23 February 2012 4:46 PM |To: ozDotNet |Subject: Re: New laptop for developer, has 16Gb RAM | | | |Laptops are like phones (and women, come to think of it). There's always a better |one available in less than six months. You want to upgrade it in less than six |months. There's never a perfect system specs, IF ONLY you could take those |specs from that laptop and combine with the specs from that other laptop, and |make it weigh like that thin ultra portable laptop specs you've been dreaming |about... | | | |Seriously: http://www.sony.com.au/product/vpcz227gg/specs - 1.12kg | | |To follow on from Stephen's analogy, she is a bit doey, can't draw without her |louis vuitton luggage in tow, and isn't really interested in resolution of matters, |and is probably high maintenance. | | | | |-- | |David Connors | da...@codify.com mailto:da...@codify.com | |www.codify.com http://www.codify.com | |Codify Pty Ltd |Phone: +61 (7) 3210 6268 | Facsimile: +61 (7) 3210 6269 | Mobile: +61 417 189 |363 |V-Card: https://www.codify.com/cards/davidconnors |https://www.codify.com/cards/davidconnors |Address Info: https://www.codify.com/contact |https://www.codify.com/contact
RE: New laptop for developer, has 16Gb RAM
Nice :) I've got win 8 on the other drive (actually a boot to .vhd), but I ain't got no multi-touch on my Dell XPS 17 (not sure I'd want to be cleaning that many finger prints of that size screen ;) ). I do like having multiple SSD's : no need for external drives for VM's. |-Original Message- |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Mitch Denny |Sent: Friday, 24 February 2012 9:22 AM |To: ozDotNet |Subject: RE: New laptop for developer, has 16Gb RAM | |I'm currently using Windows 8, with Hyper-V. I've got a 8GB Lenovo X220T, and I |use an external USB3 512GB SSD to run my VMs. | |Mitch Denny |Readify | Chief Technology Officer |M: +61 414 610 141 | E: mitch.de...@readify.net | W: http://www.readify.net | | | |-Original Message- |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Bill McCarthy |Sent: Friday, 24 February 2012 9:20 AM |To: 'ozDotNet' |Subject: RE: New laptop for developer, has 16Gb RAM | |I use win 7 x64 with VMWare. Put the server OS'es in VMs | ||-Original Message- ||From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- ||boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Peter Griffith ||Sent: Friday, 24 February 2012 8:56 AM ||To: 'ozDotNet' ||Subject: RE: New laptop for developer, has 16Gb RAM || ||Thanks guys, || || He already has the laptop. || || || || Trying to resolve whether to set it up with Windows ||server 2008 R2 or just go for Windows 7. || || || ||PG || || || ||Peter Griffith CP || ||http://pgriffith.wordpress.com http://pgriffith.wordpress.com || ||PH: 0408 832 891 || || || ||From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- ||boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of David Connors ||Sent: Thursday, 23 February 2012 8:30 PM ||To: ozDotNet ||Subject: Re: New laptop for developer, has 16Gb RAM || || || ||On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 7:18 PM, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.com |wrote: || || || ||From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- ||boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Price ||Sent: Thursday, 23 February 2012 4:46 PM ||To: ozDotNet ||Subject: Re: New laptop for developer, has 16Gb RAM || || || ||Laptops are like phones (and women, come to think of it). There's ||always a better one available in less than six months. You want to ||upgrade it in less than six months. There's never a perfect system ||specs, IF ONLY you could take those specs from that laptop and combine ||with the specs from that other laptop, and make it weigh like that thin ||ultra portable laptop specs you've been dreaming about... || || || ||Seriously: http://www.sony.com.au/product/vpcz227gg/specs - 1.12kg || || ||To follow on from Stephen's analogy, she is a bit doey, can't draw ||without her louis vuitton luggage in tow, and isn't really interested ||in resolution of matters, and is probably high maintenance. || || || || ||-- || ||David Connors | da...@codify.com mailto:da...@codify.com | ||www.codify.com http://www.codify.com || ||Codify Pty Ltd ||Phone: +61 (7) 3210 6268 | Facsimile: +61 (7) 3210 6269 | Mobile: +61 ||417 189 ||363 ||V-Card: https://www.codify.com/cards/davidconnors ||https://www.codify.com/cards/davidconnors ||Address Info: https://www.codify.com/contact ||https://www.codify.com/contact | |
RE: New laptop for developer, has 16Gb RAM
Lol. To be fair: I have a standard Win7 on it, so maintenance is the same as other Win7 machines. For devs I’d say that resolution usually is important, and the onboard graphics work just fine for VS.NET etc. If you want to play games, then you need engage the ATI GPU. To save 2kg in weight, I think it’s worth it Cheers Ken From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of David Connors Sent: Thursday, 23 February 2012 6:00 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: New laptop for developer, has 16Gb RAM On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 7:18 PM, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.commailto:k...@adopenstatic.com wrote: From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.commailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.commailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Price Sent: Thursday, 23 February 2012 4:46 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: New laptop for developer, has 16Gb RAM Laptops are like phones (and women, come to think of it). There's always a better one available in less than six months. You want to upgrade it in less than six months. There's never a perfect system specs, IF ONLY you could take those specs from that laptop and combine with the specs from that other laptop, and make it weigh like that thin ultra portable laptop specs you've been dreaming about... Seriously: http://www.sony.com.au/product/vpcz227gg/specs - 1.12kg To follow on from Stephen's analogy, she is a bit doey, can't draw without her louis vuitton luggage in tow, and isn't really interested in resolution of matters, and is probably high maintenance.
Clouding an application
Hi All,I've been asked to look into creating an application that may well work well in the cloud;* High numbers of adhoc/recurrent users* Highly variable number of users per period* Relatively high data requirements per user* "Peaky" usage profile for users (application is used for a day a week, but often in bursts by groups of users)etcWe are looking at ways to both develop and host this application - it is currently an asp.net application with sql backend, but looking to move to support more platforms (RESTful services, etc).As such, I am wondering whether anyone has any comments on using the various cloud services available? What is available, how are they used, cost/reliability/technical trade offs?Thanks,Rob
Re: New look of Visual Studio, what are your thoughts?
On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 4:15 PM, David Kean david.k...@microsoft.com wrote: We showed off the new look today: http://blogs.msdn.com/b/visualstudio/ Thoughts? I agree, somewhat, about the colour, but feel you've gone too far towards monochrome. And if you make me learn a new set of damned icons, I won't use the bloody thing. This is one thing I wish Microsoft would stop tinkering with. Icons, menu layouts, dialog layouts. Some of us don't move on completely from one version to another, but use 3 different versions of VS. Do you have any idea how painful this is? [image: Pictographic icons from VS 2010 on the top row with the equivalent VS 11 glyphs on the bottom row] Take the comment/uncomment icons. WTF are they meant to represent? /rant -- Meski http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure, you'll get it, but it's going to be rough - Adam Hills
RE: New look of Visual Studio, what are your thoughts?
Description: Pictographic icons from VS 2010 on the top row with the equivalent VS 11 glyphs on the bottom row Take the comment/uncomment icons. WTF are they meant to represent? /rant It symbolises mankind’s struggle to represent things in black and white ;) From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of mike smith Sent: Friday, 24 February 2012 4:35 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: New look of Visual Studio, what are your thoughts? On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 4:15 PM, David Kean david.k...@microsoft.com wrote: We showed off the new look today: http://blogs.msdn.com/b/visualstudio/ Thoughts? I agree, somewhat, about the colour, but feel you've gone too far towards monochrome. And if you make me learn a new set of damned icons, I won't use the bloody thing. This is one thing I wish Microsoft would stop tinkering with. Icons, menu layouts, dialog layouts. Some of us don't move on completely from one version to another, but use 3 different versions of VS. Do you have any idea how painful this is? Pictographic icons from VS 2010 on the top row with the equivalent VS 11 glyphs on the bottom row http://blogs.msdn.com/cfs-file.ashx/__key/communityserver-blogs-components-weblogfiles/00-00-01-29-92-metablogapi/0601.dev10dev11iconsNEW_5F00_thumb_5F00_0CE4BE35.png Take the comment/uncomment icons. WTF are they meant to represent? /rant -- Meski http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure, you'll get it, but it's going to be rough - Adam Hills image001.png
RE: New look of Visual Studio, what are your thoughts?
Horrible - who designed that? Could Monty Hammontree even get a job in a panel paint shop? And I agree with meski - I also need to have multiple versions of VS, and with VS11 it is not even consistency, more like recognition. _ Ian Thomas Victoria Park, Western Australia _ From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of mike smith Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 1:35 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: New look of Visual Studio, what are your thoughts? On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 4:15 PM, David Kean david.k...@microsoft.com wrote: We showed off the new look today: http://blogs.msdn.com/b/visualstudio/ Thoughts? I agree, somewhat, about the colour, but feel you've gone too far towards monochrome. And if you make me learn a new set of damned icons, I won't use the bloody thing. This is one thing I wish Microsoft would stop tinkering with. Icons, menu layouts, dialog layouts. Some of us don't move on completely from one version to another, but use 3 different versions of VS. Do you have any idea how painful this is? Pictographic icons from VS 2010 on the top row with the equivalent VS 11 glyphs on the bottom row http://blogs.msdn.com/cfs-file.ashx/__key/communityserver-blogs-components- weblogfiles/00-00-01-29-92-metablogapi/0601.dev10dev11iconsNEW_5F00_thumb_5F 00_0CE4BE35.png Take the comment/uncomment icons. WTF are they meant to represent? /rant -- Meski http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure, you'll get it, but it's going to be rough - Adam Hills
RE: New look of Visual Studio, what are your thoughts?
Thanks for the feedback. On the three different versions things, why are you using three? What you building that still requires 2005/2008? From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of mike smith Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 9:35 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: New look of Visual Studio, what are your thoughts? On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 4:15 PM, David Kean david.k...@microsoft.commailto:david.k...@microsoft.com wrote: We showed off the new look today: http://blogs.msdn.com/b/visualstudio/ Thoughts? I agree, somewhat, about the colour, but feel you've gone too far towards monochrome. And if you make me learn a new set of damned icons, I won't use the bloody thing. This is one thing I wish Microsoft would stop tinkering with. Icons, menu layouts, dialog layouts. Some of us don't move on completely from one version to another, but use 3 different versions of VS. Do you have any idea how painful this is? [Description: Pictographic icons from VS 2010 on the top row with the equivalent VS 11 glyphs on the bottom row] Take the comment/uncomment icons. WTF are they meant to represent? /rant -- Meski http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure, you'll get it, but it's going to be rough - Adam Hills inline: image001.png
Re: New look of Visual Studio, what are your thoughts?
There is a reason why I memorized most of the keyboard shortcuts. So that I don't have to learn new icons on each release. While I'm quite happy with monochrome icons, please make them more meaningful. The comment/uncomment icon is a classic example of icons that don't make sense. Sent from my Windows Phone 7 On 24/02/2012, at 16:44, Bill McCarthy bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au wrote: image001.png Take the comment/uncomment icons. WTF are they meant to represent? /rant It symbolises mankind’s struggle to represent things in black and white ;) From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of mike smith Sent: Friday, 24 February 2012 4:35 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: New look of Visual Studio, what are your thoughts? On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 4:15 PM, David Kean david.k...@microsoft.com wrote: We showed off the new look today: http://blogs.msdn.com/b/visualstudio/ Thoughts? I agree, somewhat, about the colour, but feel you've gone too far towards monochrome. And if you make me learn a new set of damned icons, I won't use the bloody thing. This is one thing I wish Microsoft would stop tinkering with. Icons, menu layouts, dialog layouts. Some of us don't move on completely from one version to another, but use 3 different versions of VS. Do you have any idea how painful this is? Take the comment/uncomment icons. WTF are they meant to represent? /rant -- Meski http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure, you'll get it, but it's going to be rough - Adam Hills
RE: New look of Visual Studio, what are your thoughts?
I think you'll find that impact is one of the more tolerable words of Microspeak: http://www.cinepad.com/mslex_3.htm From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Greg Keogh Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 10:00 PM To: 'ozDotNet' Subject: RE: New look of Visual Studio, what are your thoughts? We showed off the new look today: http://blogs.msdn.com/b/visualstudio/ Thoughts? You used the word 'impact' figuratively 3 times, once in the dreadful form of 'negatively impacting'. The word 'impact' has diseased the modern western world. Respectable newspapers, TV news reports, journalists, scientists and suburban people are now using the word with reckless abandon. It's a lazy weasel word that betrays lack of imagination or literacy. Wherever you see the word 'impact', you can always find a more articulate and expressive replacement. For example, if you think the word 'impact' adds impact to what they write, you probably want more gravitas. You can replace 'negatively impact' with degrade or impair, or deteriorate, or hinder, or lots of other real words. Greg
Re: New look of Visual Studio, what are your thoughts?
David, I havent downloaded it yet but given you're taking feedback (and this request seems topical) can I ask if the Tools - Options - Environment - Keyboard dialog has been fixed so you can resize it and not scroll thru 3 shortcuts at a time ! On 24/02/2012 2:07 PM, David Kean wrote: I think youll find that impact is one of the more tolerable words of Microspeak: http://www.cinepad.com/mslex_3.htm From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Greg Keogh Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 10:00 PM To: 'ozDotNet' Subject: RE: New look of Visual Studio, what are your thoughts? We showed off the new look today: http://blogs.msdn.com/b/visualstudio/ Thoughts? You used the word impact figuratively 3 times, once in the dreadful form of negatively impacting. The word impact has diseased the modern western world. Respectable newspapers, TV news reports, journalists, scientists and suburban people are now using the word with reckless abandon. Its a lazy weasel word that betrays lack of imagination or literacy. Wherever you see the word impact, you can always find a more articulate and expressive replacement. For example, if you think the word impact adds impact to what they write, you probably want more gravitas. You can replace negatively impact with degrade or impair, or deteriorate, or hinder, or lots of other real words. Greg
Re: New look of Visual Studio, what are your thoughts?
Define: tyre fire Sent from my iPhone On 24/02/2012, at 3:15 PM, David Kean david.k...@microsoft.com wrote: We showed off the new look today: http://blogs.msdn.com/b/visualstudio/ Thoughts?
Re: New look of Visual Studio, what are your thoughts?
I'm disappointed that MS went after this instead of making an editor that can open a moderately large text file without halting for a few minutes. Joseph On 24/02/2012, at 3:15 PM, David Kean david.k...@microsoft.com wrote: We showed off the new look today: http://blogs.msdn.com/b/visualstudio/ Thoughts?
RE: New look of Visual Studio, what are your thoughts?
I’m pretty sure you don’t want designers working on fixing that… ☺ I filed a couple of bugs around the perf issues I was seeing which they fixed last year. I haven’t done any measurements, but it’s good enough that I don’t notice them anymore. What kind of files are you opening? Are they opened as text, or something structured, like XML? There were massive perf issues around XML (something around trying to calculate the regions for them), which they also fixed. From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Cooney Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 10:45 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: New look of Visual Studio, what are your thoughts? I'm disappointed that MS went after this instead of making an editor that can open a moderately large text file without halting for a few minutes. Joseph On 24/02/2012, at 3:15 PM, David Kean david.k...@microsoft.commailto:david.k...@microsoft.com wrote: We showed off the new look today: http://blogs.msdn.com/b/visualstudio/ Thoughts?
RE: New look of Visual Studio, what are your thoughts?
Greg - Perhaps the VS Team should recruit Don Watson for a Microsoft sabbatical. Inappropriate use of 'Impact' is not confined to Microspeak or tech-speak. (I assume that you have read Watson's several books about weaselwords, since you used the term) But I don't have a remedy for Monty Hammontree - I read that blog post carefully, and it sounds like job justification to me. I'm not at all convinced. Gaining 42 pixels is a nonsense, when a larger, higher-resolution screen can gain a developer centimetres of code space. And reducing the toolbar command placements throughout the product by an average of 35% - big deal. Within prior versions, w can choose to add or leave out a range of toolbars, or customize them. What I want to know is whether I would be able to replace those gawd-awful BW glyphs with recognizable equivalents from previous VS versions. To repeat - in my opinion, the VS11 UI design is rubbish! _ Ian Thomas Victoria Park, Western Australia _ From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Greg Keogh Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 2:38 PM To: 'ozDotNet' Subject: RE: New look of Visual Studio, what are your thoughts? I think you'll find that impact is one of the more tolerable words of Microspeak: http://www.cinepad.com/mslex_3.htm Intolerable when used figuratively. My wife is an editor and proof reader, and she is also utterly fed up with 'impact'. For the last year she has been editing high school textbooks and she is continually ripping impacts out of them. The words turns up much more often in subjects like economics, psychology, business management and other soft sciences where the authors seem to be desperately striving for credibility. I have Julia Lerman's book Programming http://www.amazon.com/Programming-Entity-Framework-Building-Centric/dp/0596 807260 Entity Framework and she uses 'impact' in various forms about 100 times. On one page she explains how using a certain expression can 'impact performance'. A few pages later she tells us that turning on a certain option will 'impact performance'. Only experienced readers would known that she actually means the opposite in each case. Her book (and others I have) are full of ambiguous, inappropriate or completely bizarre 'impacts'. Do what you can to help me eradicate the word from within Microsoft and the USA. Greg
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YUK! If I wanted to look at a black and white screen all day I would buy a black and white monitor...what craziness is this? Have Microsoft employed some UI designers from Apple or something. Leave the icons in colour, monochrome is just going to make my already difficult job even harder. On 24 February 2012 17:56, djones...@gmail.com wrote: Seconded on different versions thing. Switching between 2010 and 2008 little changes in menus really slow me down. Doing of classname in 2010 with the auto complete is very very annoying. (4.0, vsto projects and the frankinapp that's been converted from vs,2003,2005,2008) Davy .02€ Hexed into a portable ouija board. -- *From: * David Kean david.k...@microsoft.com *Sender: * ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com *Date: *Fri, 24 Feb 2012 05:58:26 + *To: *ozDotNetozdotnet@ozdotnet.com *ReplyTo: * ozDotNet ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com *Subject: *RE: New look of Visual Studio, what are your thoughts? Thanks for the feedback. On the three different versions things, why are you using three? What you building that still requires 2005/2008? ** ** *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *mike smith *Sent:* Thursday, February 23, 2012 9:35 PM *To:* ozDotNet *Subject:* Re: New look of Visual Studio, what are your thoughts? ** ** On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 4:15 PM, David Kean david.k...@microsoft.com wrote: We showed off the new look today: http://blogs.msdn.com/b/visualstudio/ Thoughts? I agree, somewhat, about the colour, but feel you've gone too far towards monochrome. And if you make me learn a new set of damned icons, I won't use the bloody thing. This is one thing I wish Microsoft would stop tinkering with. Icons, menu layouts, dialog layouts. Some of us don't move on completely from one version to another, but use 3 different versions of VS. Do you have any idea how painful this is? [image: Description: Pictographic icons from VS 2010 on the top row with the equivalent VS 11 glyphs on the bottom row] ** ** Take the comment/uncomment icons. WTF are they meant to represent? ** ** /rant ** ** -- Meski http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure, you'll get it, but it's going to be rough - Adam Hills image001.png
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One of the “about bloody time” features that we’ve added to VS is round tripping of projects. Basically, the majority of projects can be opened back and forth between VS2010 and VS11 without any changes. From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of djones...@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 11:26 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: New look of Visual Studio, what are your thoughts? Seconded on different versions thing. Switching between 2010 and 2008 little changes in menus really slow me down. Doing of classname in 2010 with the auto complete is very very annoying. (4.0, vsto projects and the frankinapp that's been converted from vs,2003,2005,2008) Davy .02€ Hexed into a portable ouija board. From: David Kean david.k...@microsoft.commailto:david.k...@microsoft.com Sender: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.commailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 05:58:26 + To: ozDotNetozdotnet@ozdotnet.commailto:ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com ReplyTo: ozDotNet ozdotnet@ozdotnet.commailto:ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com Subject: RE: New look of Visual Studio, what are your thoughts? Thanks for the feedback. On the three different versions things, why are you using three? What you building that still requires 2005/2008? From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.commailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]mailto:[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of mike smith Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 9:35 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: New look of Visual Studio, what are your thoughts? On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 4:15 PM, David Kean david.k...@microsoft.commailto:david.k...@microsoft.com wrote: We showed off the new look today: http://blogs.msdn.com/b/visualstudio/ Thoughts? I agree, somewhat, about the colour, but feel you've gone too far towards monochrome. And if you make me learn a new set of damned icons, I won't use the bloody thing. This is one thing I wish Microsoft would stop tinkering with. Icons, menu layouts, dialog layouts. Some of us don't move on completely from one version to another, but use 3 different versions of VS. Do you have any idea how painful this is? [Description: Pictographic icons from VS 2010 on the top row with the equivalent VS 11 glyphs on the bottom row] Take the comment/uncomment icons. WTF are they meant to represent? /rant -- Meski http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure, you'll get it, but it's going to be rough - Adam Hills inline: image001.png
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I'd be happy if you could open a SMALL text file from explorer without having to wait a few minutes. Why do you think that everyone has a notepad replacement installed? If Visual Studio loaded fast we wouldn't need them, VS would be the best notepad replacement. Impress me. I dare you. Make VS fast enough that I uninstall my notepad replacement. On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 2:44 PM, Joseph Cooney joseph.coo...@gmail.comwrote: I'm disappointed that MS went after this instead of making an editor that can open a moderately large text file without halting for a few minutes. Joseph On 24/02/2012, at 3:15 PM, David Kean david.k...@microsoft.com wrote: We showed off the new look today: http://blogs.msdn.com/b/visualstudio/ http://blogs.msdn.com/b/visualstudio/ ** ** Thoughts?
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Stephen - I thought I was the only neo-luddite that did things like that . But round-tripping of projects - and other tech things - surely must be given more promotion than the UX / UI nonsense in that blog post, which is going to suck the oxygen from the real advancements in a new version. _ Ian Thomas Victoria Park, Western Australia _ From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Price Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 3:51 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: New look of Visual Studio, what are your thoughts? I'd be happy if you could open a SMALL text file from explorer without having to wait a few minutes. Why do you think that everyone has a notepad replacement installed? If Visual Studio loaded fast we wouldn't need them, VS would be the best notepad replacement. Impress me. I dare you. Make VS fast enough that I uninstall my notepad replacement.
