RE: Just seen the prices of Window 8 RT Surface devices....
IT press has the Australian prices here http://www.pcworld.idg.com.au/article/439285/microsoft_announces_surface_rt _pricing_opens_aussie_pre-orders/ _ Ian Thomas Victoria Park, Western Australia From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Preet Sangha Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 1:23 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Just seen the prices of Window 8 RT Surface devices Looks like I wont' be splashing out for a while http://surface.microsoftstore.com/store/msstore/Content/pbpage.Surface?ESICa ching=off http://surface.microsoftstore.com/store/msstore/Content/pbpage.Surface?ESIC aching=offWT.mc_id=FY13WinHH WT.mc_id=FY13WinHH Don't know how competitive these prices are but they seem a little high but then maybe they are fighting Apple and not Android. US 500 without cover/keyboard US 600 with cover/keyboard -- regards, Preet, Overlooking the Ocean, Auckland
Re: Just seen the prices of Window 8 RT Surface devices....
At least the Australian Prices have only been increased by the GST. The Big Ass Table is now the Samsung SUR40 powered by Microsoft PixelSense http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/pixelsense/default.aspx Castner IT Pty Ltd Dr Grant Castner *Director * e: gcast...@castnerit.com.au w: http://www.castnerit.com.au p: 0458 770 749 a: P.O. Box 952 Mooloolaba QLD 4557 twitter: @castnerit http://twitter.com/CastnerIT facebook: facebook.com/castnerithttp://www.facebook.com/pages/Brisbane-Australia/Castner-IT/291936316886?v=info On 17 October 2012 16:05, Ian Thomas il.tho...@iinet.net.au wrote: IT press has the Australian prices herehttp://www.pcworld.idg.com.au/article/439285/microsoft_announces_surface_rt_pricing_opens_aussie_pre-orders/ ** ** -- **Ian Thomas** Victoria Park, Western Australia ** ** *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Preet Sangha *Sent:* Wednesday, October 17, 2012 1:23 PM *To:* ozDotNet *Subject:* Just seen the prices of Window 8 RT Surface devices ** ** Looks like I wont' be splashing out for a while ** ** http://surface.microsoftstore.com/store/msstore/Content/pbpage.Surface?ESICaching=offWT.mc_id=FY13WinHH ** ** ** ** Don't know how competitive these prices are but they seem a little high but then maybe they are fighting Apple and not Android. ** ** US 500 without cover/keyboard US 600 with cover/keyboard ** ** ** ** -- regards, Preet, Overlooking the Ocean, Auckland
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On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 4:50 PM, Preet Sangha preetsan...@gmail.com wrote: the new stuff is all part of the Surface brand I suppose. 599 for a coffee table that would get kids dropping plates on is not going to happen in this house :-) 18 K for magic coffee table NOPE can't justify it ever I suspect. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Cf7IL_eZ38feature=plcp Don't recall if it was here, or you've seen, but it is impressive. On 17 October 2012 18:37, mike smith meski...@gmail.com wrote: I thought Surface was the big coffee-table sized thing. Colour me disappointed. -- Meski http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure, you'll get it, but it's going to be rough - Adam Hills
Re: Just seen the prices of Window 8 RT Surface devices....
http://www.microsoftstore.com/store/msaus/en_AU/pdp/productID.257917600 Lovely. $60-90 price bump for the aussie-tax. On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 2:13 PM, mike smith meski...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 4:50 PM, Preet Sangha preetsan...@gmail.comwrote: the new stuff is all part of the Surface brand I suppose. 599 for a coffee table that would get kids dropping plates on is not going to happen in this house :-) 18 K for magic coffee table NOPE can't justify it ever I suspect. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Cf7IL_eZ38feature=plcp Don't recall if it was here, or you've seen, but it is impressive. On 17 October 2012 18:37, mike smith meski...@gmail.com wrote: I thought Surface was the big coffee-table sized thing. Colour me disappointed. -- Meski http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure, you'll get it, but it's going to be rough - Adam Hills
Re: Just seen the prices of Window 8 RT Surface devices....
On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 5:16 PM, Damon Pollard damon.poll...@birchmangroup.com wrote: http://www.microsoftstore.com/store/msaus/en_AU/pdp/productID.257917600 Lovely. $60-90 price bump for the aussie-tax. I've given up paying it. :^) On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 2:13 PM, mike smith meski...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 4:50 PM, Preet Sangha preetsan...@gmail.comwrote: the new stuff is all part of the Surface brand I suppose. 599 for a coffee table that would get kids dropping plates on is not going to happen in this house :-) 18 K for magic coffee table NOPE can't justify it ever I suspect. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Cf7IL_eZ38feature=plcp Don't recall if it was here, or you've seen, but it is impressive. On 17 October 2012 18:37, mike smith meski...@gmail.com wrote: I thought Surface was the big coffee-table sized thing. Colour me disappointed. -- Meski http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure, you'll get it, but it's going to be rough - Adam Hills -- Meski http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure, you'll get it, but it's going to be rough - Adam Hills
RE: Just seen the prices of Window 8 RT Surface devices....
$60-90 seems reasonable given how small our market is. The US prices would vary by the state that you buy it in, as different states levy different rates of sales tax (not sure whether you included that in your calculation or not) Cheers Ken From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Damon Pollard Sent: Wednesday, 17 October 2012 5:16 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: Just seen the prices of Window 8 RT Surface devices http://www.microsoftstore.com/store/msaus/en_AU/pdp/productID.257917600 Lovely. $60-90 price bump for the aussie-tax. On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 2:13 PM, mike smith meski...@gmail.commailto:meski...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 4:50 PM, Preet Sangha preetsan...@gmail.commailto:preetsan...@gmail.com wrote: the new stuff is all part of the Surface brand I suppose. 599 for a coffee table that would get kids dropping plates on is not going to happen in this house :-) 18 K for magic coffee table NOPE can't justify it ever I suspect. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Cf7IL_eZ38feature=plcp Don't recall if it was here, or you've seen, but it is impressive. On 17 October 2012 18:37, mike smith meski...@gmail.commailto:meski...@gmail.com wrote: I thought Surface was the big coffee-table sized thing. Colour me disappointed.
RE: Just seen the prices of Window 8 RT Surface devices....
Converting using the current USD/AUD exchange rate, it's $28 more in Australia for the base model. Remember, US is quoted without tax, in my state (Washington) there's around 9% tax. From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Ken Schaefer Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2012 11:21 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: RE: Just seen the prices of Window 8 RT Surface devices $60-90 seems reasonable given how small our market is. The US prices would vary by the state that you buy it in, as different states levy different rates of sales tax (not sure whether you included that in your calculation or not) Cheers Ken From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.commailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Damon Pollard Sent: Wednesday, 17 October 2012 5:16 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: Just seen the prices of Window 8 RT Surface devices http://www.microsoftstore.com/store/msaus/en_AU/pdp/productID.257917600 Lovely. $60-90 price bump for the aussie-tax. On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 2:13 PM, mike smith meski...@gmail.commailto:meski...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 4:50 PM, Preet Sangha preetsan...@gmail.commailto:preetsan...@gmail.com wrote: the new stuff is all part of the Surface brand I suppose. 599 for a coffee table that would get kids dropping plates on is not going to happen in this house :-) 18 K for magic coffee table NOPE can't justify it ever I suspect. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Cf7IL_eZ38feature=plcp Don't recall if it was here, or you've seen, but it is impressive. On 17 October 2012 18:37, mike smith meski...@gmail.commailto:meski...@gmail.com wrote: I thought Surface was the big coffee-table sized thing. Colour me disappointed.
Re: Just seen the prices of Window 8 RT Surface devices....
If I buy it via my redirect address, in Florida, its zero state tax. And 30USD to ship. Where it really pays off is software/ebook/music purchases. My first purchase more than paid for the setup costs. IIRC, it was Office 4 Mac. :^) On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 5:28 PM, David Kean david.k...@microsoft.comwrote: Converting using the current USD/AUD exchange rate, it’s $28 more in Australia for the base model. Remember, US is quoted without tax, in my state (Washington) there’s around 9% tax. ** ** *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Schaefer *Sent:* Tuesday, October 16, 2012 11:21 PM *To:* ozDotNet *Subject:* RE: Just seen the prices of Window 8 RT Surface devices ** ** $60-90 seems reasonable given how small our market is. The US prices would vary by the state that you buy it in, as different states levy different rates of sales tax (not sure whether you included that in your calculation or not) ** ** Cheers Ken ** ** *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [ mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Damon Pollard *Sent:* Wednesday, 17 October 2012 5:16 PM *To:* ozDotNet *Subject:* Re: Just seen the prices of Window 8 RT Surface devices ** ** http://www.microsoftstore.com/store/msaus/en_AU/pdp/productID.257917600*** * ** ** Lovely. $60-90 price bump for the aussie-tax. On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 2:13 PM, mike smith meski...@gmail.com wrote:*** * ** ** On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 4:50 PM, Preet Sangha preetsan...@gmail.com wrote: the new stuff is all part of the Surface brand I suppose. ** ** 599 for a coffee table that would get kids dropping plates on is not going to happen in this house :-) ** ** 18 K for magic coffee table NOPE can't justify it ever I suspect. ** ** http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Cf7IL_eZ38feature=plcp ** ** Don't recall if it was here, or you've seen, but it is impressive. ** ** ** ** On 17 October 2012 18:37, mike smith meski...@gmail.com wrote: I thought Surface was the big coffee-table sized thing. Colour me disappointed. ** ** ** ** ** ** -- Meski http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure, you'll get it, but it's going to be rough - Adam Hills
Re: Just seen the prices of Window 8 RT Surface devices....
$28!! OMG. Right that's it, I'm not buying it. Wait. I already have. Hopefully I'll win one as well from TechEd. Even if I do, I can't wait until they announce it and get my details and post it out (assuming I even win one). I recall seeing it say end of November for the prizes. I don't think I'll get a pro device, just ordered a Razer Blade as my next dev laptop. Specs are pretty cool and its similar to Mac Book Pro 17 (which I read was discontinued?) except it has a damned backspace key AND delete key, and Windows. On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 2:28 PM, David Kean david.k...@microsoft.comwrote: Converting using the current USD/AUD exchange rate, it’s $28 more in Australia for the base model. Remember, US is quoted without tax, in my state (Washington) there’s around 9% tax. ** ** *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Schaefer *Sent:* Tuesday, October 16, 2012 11:21 PM *To:* ozDotNet *Subject:* RE: Just seen the prices of Window 8 RT Surface devices ** ** $60-90 seems reasonable given how small our market is. The US prices would vary by the state that you buy it in, as different states levy different rates of sales tax (not sure whether you included that in your calculation or not) ** ** Cheers Ken ** ** *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [ mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Damon Pollard *Sent:* Wednesday, 17 October 2012 5:16 PM *To:* ozDotNet *Subject:* Re: Just seen the prices of Window 8 RT Surface devices ** ** http://www.microsoftstore.com/store/msaus/en_AU/pdp/productID.257917600*** * ** ** Lovely. $60-90 price bump for the aussie-tax. On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 2:13 PM, mike smith meski...@gmail.com wrote:*** * ** ** On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 4:50 PM, Preet Sangha preetsan...@gmail.com wrote: the new stuff is all part of the Surface brand I suppose. ** ** 599 for a coffee table that would get kids dropping plates on is not going to happen in this house :-) ** ** 18 K for magic coffee table NOPE can't justify it ever I suspect. ** ** http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Cf7IL_eZ38feature=plcp ** ** Don't recall if it was here, or you've seen, but it is impressive. ** ** ** ** On 17 October 2012 18:37, mike smith meski...@gmail.com wrote: I thought Surface was the big coffee-table sized thing. Colour me disappointed. ** ** ** ** ** **
Re: Just seen the prices of Window 8 RT Surface devices....
Mike, what redirect service do you use?? Grant On Oct 17, 2012 4:38 PM, mike smith meski...@gmail.com wrote: If I buy it via my redirect address, in Florida, its zero state tax. And 30USD to ship. Where it really pays off is software/ebook/music purchases. My first purchase more than paid for the setup costs. IIRC, it was Office 4 Mac. :^) On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 5:28 PM, David Kean david.k...@microsoft.comwrote: Converting using the current USD/AUD exchange rate, it’s $28 more in Australia for the base model. Remember, US is quoted without tax, in my state (Washington) there’s around 9% tax. ** ** *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Schaefer *Sent:* Tuesday, October 16, 2012 11:21 PM *To:* ozDotNet *Subject:* RE: Just seen the prices of Window 8 RT Surface devices*** * ** ** $60-90 seems reasonable given how small our market is. The US prices would vary by the state that you buy it in, as different states levy different rates of sales tax (not sure whether you included that in your calculation or not) ** ** Cheers Ken ** ** *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [ mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Damon Pollard *Sent:* Wednesday, 17 October 2012 5:16 PM *To:* ozDotNet *Subject:* Re: Just seen the prices of Window 8 RT Surface devices*** * ** ** http://www.microsoftstore.com/store/msaus/en_AU/pdp/productID.257917600** ** ** ** Lovely. $60-90 price bump for the aussie-tax. On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 2:13 PM, mike smith meski...@gmail.com wrote:** ** ** ** On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 4:50 PM, Preet Sangha preetsan...@gmail.com wrote: the new stuff is all part of the Surface brand I suppose. ** ** 599 for a coffee table that would get kids dropping plates on is not going to happen in this house :-) ** ** 18 K for magic coffee table NOPE can't justify it ever I suspect. ** ** http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Cf7IL_eZ38feature=plcp ** ** Don't recall if it was here, or you've seen, but it is impressive. ** ** ** ** On 17 October 2012 18:37, mike smith meski...@gmail.com wrote: I thought Surface was the big coffee-table sized thing. Colour me disappointed. ** ** ** ** ** ** -- Meski http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure, you'll get it, but it's going to be rough - Adam Hills
Re: Just seen the prices of Window 8 RT Surface devices....
www.myus.com That gives me an address I then set up an Amex card, and point it to the Florida address for the billing address (Amex is fairly easy to configure to bill online) for most, that's it. For a couple of cases, you'll need to setup accounts and order whilst connected via a VPN proxy to the USA. On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 9:08 AM, Grant Molloy graken...@gmail.com wrote: Mike, what redirect service do you use?? Grant On Oct 17, 2012 4:38 PM, mike smith meski...@gmail.com wrote: If I buy it via my redirect address, in Florida, its zero state tax. And 30USD to ship. Where it really pays off is software/ebook/music purchases. My first purchase more than paid for the setup costs. IIRC, it was Office 4 Mac. :^) On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 5:28 PM, David Kean david.k...@microsoft.comwrote: Converting using the current USD/AUD exchange rate, it’s $28 more in Australia for the base model. Remember, US is quoted without tax, in my state (Washington) there’s around 9% tax. ** ** *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Schaefer *Sent:* Tuesday, October 16, 2012 11:21 PM *To:* ozDotNet *Subject:* RE: Just seen the prices of Window 8 RT Surface devices** ** ** ** $60-90 seems reasonable given how small our market is. The US prices would vary by the state that you buy it in, as different states levy different rates of sales tax (not sure whether you included that in your calculation or not) ** ** Cheers Ken ** ** *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [ mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Damon Pollard *Sent:* Wednesday, 17 October 2012 5:16 PM *To:* ozDotNet *Subject:* Re: Just seen the prices of Window 8 RT Surface devices** ** ** ** http://www.microsoftstore.com/store/msaus/en_AU/pdp/productID.257917600* *** ** ** Lovely. $60-90 price bump for the aussie-tax. On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 2:13 PM, mike smith meski...@gmail.com wrote:* *** ** ** On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 4:50 PM, Preet Sangha preetsan...@gmail.com wrote: the new stuff is all part of the Surface brand I suppose. ** ** 599 for a coffee table that would get kids dropping plates on is not going to happen in this house :-) ** ** 18 K for magic coffee table NOPE can't justify it ever I suspect. ** ** http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Cf7IL_eZ38feature=plcp ** ** Don't recall if it was here, or you've seen, but it is impressive. ** ** ** ** On 17 October 2012 18:37, mike smith meski...@gmail.com wrote: I thought Surface was the big coffee-table sized thing. Colour me disappointed. ** ** ** ** ** ** -- Meski http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure, you'll get it, but it's going to be rough - Adam Hills -- Meski http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure, you'll get it, but it's going to be rough - Adam Hills
RE: Just seen the prices of Window 8 RT Surface devices....
Also, which would you prefer - a device that you can plug a SIM into, or one that you can't? Microsoft's tablet only has WIFI, which is a major market killer for business applications. So if you had to splurge on a tab, which would you go for - a tab that supports 3G, or one that doesn't? Very disappointing. Right now they appear to be going for the stupid rich Microsoft fanboys who will be silly enough to purchase this device and then pay again when the true mobile versions come out. This is the Zune all over again. They will have an initial take up from fanboys, and then watch sales drop dramatically afterwards. Tell me I'm wrong? From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Michael Ridland Sent: Wednesday, 17 October 2012 4:32 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: Just seen the prices of Window 8 RT Surface devices Yes, i was keen to buy one but price was an issue when it came to crunch. I bet many feel the same. On Wednesday, October 17, 2012, Preet Sangha wrote: Looks like I wont' be splashing out for a while http://surface.microsoftstore.com/store/msstore/Content/pbpage.Surface?ESICa ching=off http://surface.microsoftstore.com/store/msstore/Content/pbpage.Surface?ESIC aching=offWT.mc_id=FY13WinHH WT.mc_id=FY13WinHH Don't know how competitive these prices are but they seem a little high but then maybe they are fighting Apple and not Android. US 500 without cover/keyboard US 600 with cover/keyboard -- regards, Preet, Overlooking the Ocean, Auckland
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On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 9:21 AM, Tony Wright tonyw...@gmail.com wrote: Also, which would you prefer – a device that you can plug a SIM into, or one that you can’t? Microsoft’s tablet only has WIFI, which is a major market killer for business applications. ** ** So if you had to splurge on a tab, which would you go for – a tab that supports 3G, or one that doesn’t? Very disappointing. ** I've got a Samsung that does 3g, but use it in Wifi mode tethered to a phone, because I didn't want the cost of another 3g account. ** Right now they appear to be going for the stupid rich Microsoft fanboys who will be silly enough to purchase this device and then pay again when the true mobile versions come out. This is the Zune all over again. They will have an initial take up from fanboys, and then watch sales drop dramatically afterwards. ** ** Tell me I’m wrong? You're right, but that's the wrong reason, IMO. ** ** *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Michael Ridland *Sent:* Wednesday, 17 October 2012 4:32 PM *To:* ozDotNet *Subject:* Re: Just seen the prices of Window 8 RT Surface devices ** ** Yes, i was keen to buy one but price was an issue when it came to crunch.* *** ** ** I bet many feel the same. On Wednesday, October 17, 2012, Preet Sangha wrote: Looks like I wont' be splashing out for a while ** ** http://surface.microsoftstore.com/store/msstore/Content/pbpage.Surface?ESICaching=offWT.mc_id=FY13WinHH ** ** ** ** Don't know how competitive these prices are but they seem a little high but then maybe they are fighting Apple and not Android. ** ** US 500 without cover/keyboard US 600 with cover/keyboard ** ** ** ** -- regards, Preet, Overlooking the Ocean, Auckland -- Meski http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure, you'll get it, but it's going to be rough - Adam Hills
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Yeah, I'd concur with that. It's not the only problem, and there's plenty of reasons why businesses will _like_ Win (and v.versa), but for the Surface lack of 3g is a limiter for field scenarios, arguably those most likely to be in the adoption vanguard (we're doing a project right now in this area) Waiting for the lenovo one anyway: docking station. On 18 Oct 2012 06:24, Tony Wright tonyw...@gmail.com wrote: Also, which would you prefer – a device that you can plug a SIM into, or one that you can’t? Microsoft’s tablet only has WIFI, which is a major market killer for business applications.
RE: Just seen the prices of Window 8 RT Surface devices....
I see it as an indicator of the market they’re targeting – just consumer. Maybe as an individual you won’t want a separate mobile bill, but this has all but destroyed the use of Win Tab for one business project that we’re looking at that might have purchased 10 Win Tabs on 3G for use out at sites. From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of mike smith Sent: Thursday, 18 October 2012 9:39 AM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: Just seen the prices of Window 8 RT Surface devices On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 9:21 AM, Tony Wright tonyw...@gmail.com wrote: Also, which would you prefer – a device that you can plug a SIM into, or one that you can’t? Microsoft’s tablet only has WIFI, which is a major market killer for business applications. So if you had to splurge on a tab, which would you go for – a tab that supports 3G, or one that doesn’t? Very disappointing. I've got a Samsung that does 3g, but use it in Wifi mode tethered to a phone, because I didn't want the cost of another 3g account. Right now they appear to be going for the stupid rich Microsoft fanboys who will be silly enough to purchase this device and then pay again when the true mobile versions come out. This is the Zune all over again. They will have an initial take up from fanboys, and then watch sales drop dramatically afterwards. Tell me I’m wrong? You're right, but that's the wrong reason, IMO. From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Michael Ridland Sent: Wednesday, 17 October 2012 4:32 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: Just seen the prices of Window 8 RT Surface devices Yes, i was keen to buy one but price was an issue when it came to crunch. I bet many feel the same. On Wednesday, October 17, 2012, Preet Sangha wrote: Looks like I wont' be splashing out for a while http://surface.microsoftstore.com/store/msstore/Content/pbpage.Surface?ESICaching=off http://surface.microsoftstore.com/store/msstore/Content/pbpage.Surface?ESICaching=offWT.mc_id=FY13WinHH WT.mc_id=FY13WinHH Don't know how competitive these prices are but they seem a little high but then maybe they are fighting Apple and not Android. US 500 without cover/keyboard US 600 with cover/keyboard -- regards, Preet, Overlooking the Ocean, Auckland -- Meski http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure, you'll get it, but it's going to be rough - Adam Hills
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Businesses are that free with money that they will issue 2x 3g accounts per employee that currently has one? Not in my experience. Tethering's just so damned easy now, what's the business case against using it? On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 9:53 AM, Tony Wright tonyw...@gmail.com wrote: I see it as an indicator of the market they’re targeting – just consumer. Maybe as an individual you won’t want a separate mobile bill, but this has all but destroyed the use of Win Tab for one business project that we’re looking at that might have purchased 10 Win Tabs on 3G for use out at sites. ** ** *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *mike smith *Sent:* Thursday, 18 October 2012 9:39 AM *To:* ozDotNet *Subject:* Re: Just seen the prices of Window 8 RT Surface devices ** ** On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 9:21 AM, Tony Wright tonyw...@gmail.com wrote:** ** Also, which would you prefer – a device that you can plug a SIM into, or one that you can’t? Microsoft’s tablet only has WIFI, which is a major market killer for business applications. So if you had to splurge on a tab, which would you go for – a tab that supports 3G, or one that doesn’t? Very disappointing. ** ** I've got a Samsung that does 3g, but use it in Wifi mode tethered to a phone, because I didn't want the cost of another 3g account. Right now they appear to be going for the stupid rich Microsoft fanboys who will be silly enough to purchase this device and then pay again when the true mobile versions come out. This is the Zune all over again. They will have an initial take up from fanboys, and then watch sales drop dramatically afterwards. Tell me I’m wrong? ** ** You're right, but that's the wrong reason, IMO. *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Michael Ridland *Sent:* Wednesday, 17 October 2012 4:32 PM *To:* ozDotNet *Subject:* Re: Just seen the prices of Window 8 RT Surface devices Yes, i was keen to buy one but price was an issue when it came to crunch.* *** I bet many feel the same. On Wednesday, October 17, 2012, Preet Sangha wrote: Looks like I wont' be splashing out for a while http://surface.microsoftstore.com/store/msstore/Content/pbpage.Surface?ESICaching=offWT.mc_id=FY13WinHH Don't know how competitive these prices are but they seem a little high but then maybe they are fighting Apple and not Android. US 500 without cover/keyboard US 600 with cover/keyboard -- regards, Preet, Overlooking the Ocean, Auckland ** ** -- Meski http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure, you'll get it, but it's going to be rough - Adam Hills ** ** -- Meski http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure, you'll get it, but it's going to be rough - Adam Hills
RE: Just seen the prices of Window 8 RT Surface devices....
Businesses usually get better plans from Telstra, one plan say for voice, $60 unlimited voice with only 3GB of data, whereas the 3G dongle plans get 12GB of data for $60 per month. While I agree tethering is getting easier and easier, you are draining the battery on two devices now. From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of mike smith Sent: Thursday, 18 October 2012 10:00 AM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: Just seen the prices of Window 8 RT Surface devices Businesses are that free with money that they will issue 2x 3g accounts per employee that currently has one? Not in my experience. Tethering's just so damned easy now, what's the business case against using it? On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 9:53 AM, Tony Wright tonyw...@gmail.commailto:tonyw...@gmail.com wrote: I see it as an indicator of the market they’re targeting – just consumer. Maybe as an individual you won’t want a separate mobile bill, but this has all but destroyed the use of Win Tab for one business project that we’re looking at that might have purchased 10 Win Tabs on 3G for use out at sites. From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.commailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.commailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of mike smith Sent: Thursday, 18 October 2012 9:39 AM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: Just seen the prices of Window 8 RT Surface devices On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 9:21 AM, Tony Wright tonyw...@gmail.commailto:tonyw...@gmail.com wrote: Also, which would you prefer – a device that you can plug a SIM into, or one that you can’t? Microsoft’s tablet only has WIFI, which is a major market killer for business applications. So if you had to splurge on a tab, which would you go for – a tab that supports 3G, or one that doesn’t? Very disappointing. I've got a Samsung that does 3g, but use it in Wifi mode tethered to a phone, because I didn't want the cost of another 3g account. Right now they appear to be going for the stupid rich Microsoft fanboys who will be silly enough to purchase this device and then pay again when the true mobile versions come out. This is the Zune all over again. They will have an initial take up from fanboys, and then watch sales drop dramatically afterwards. Tell me I’m wrong? You're right, but that's the wrong reason, IMO. From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.commailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.commailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Michael Ridland Sent: Wednesday, 17 October 2012 4:32 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: Just seen the prices of Window 8 RT Surface devices Yes, i was keen to buy one but price was an issue when it came to crunch. I bet many feel the same. On Wednesday, October 17, 2012, Preet Sangha wrote: Looks like I wont' be splashing out for a while http://surface.microsoftstore.com/store/msstore/Content/pbpage.Surface?ESICaching=offWT.mc_id=FY13WinHH Don't know how competitive these prices are but they seem a little high but then maybe they are fighting Apple and not Android. US 500 without cover/keyboard US 600 with cover/keyboard -- regards, Preet, Overlooking the Ocean, Auckland -- Meski http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure, you'll get it, but it's going to be rough - Adam Hills -- Meski http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure, you'll get it, but it's going to be rough - Adam Hills
RE: Just seen the prices of Window 8 RT Surface devices....
The 3g is a mute subject how many times in our day to life we just portable hot spot our phones. From the kids in the car playing on the ipad to jump on the network to get something, to the network going down at work so your laptop can still keep going, to your tablet out of wifi range and you need to grab something urgently. Tell me I'm wrong? I am of view what can it be used for? I see no benefit from this device and yet to see why this is different in that I should purchase it over what is already existing. I am constantly asked by people around me and I cannot see why or even what I you could do with this device over the ipad and android other than Office. With Office I have yet see it running on it yet (though I reserve judgement here) though I am of mind that I would rather spend a few more dollars for atom version or a proper intel version and have a full win8 running and not running in its restricted environment. Personally I am waiting for the surface pro or ultra hybrid as to replace my aging 13in laptop, I have a set boundaries of operations and see this piece of hardware a very good step up, but a RT what's it for? Dave. From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Tony Wright Sent: Thursday, 18 October 2012 9:22 AM To: 'ozDotNet' Subject: RE: Just seen the prices of Window 8 RT Surface devices Also, which would you prefer - a device that you can plug a SIM into, or one that you can't? Microsoft's tablet only has WIFI, which is a major market killer for business applications. So if you had to splurge on a tab, which would you go for - a tab that supports 3G, or one that doesn't? Very disappointing. Right now they appear to be going for the stupid rich Microsoft fanboys who will be silly enough to purchase this device and then pay again when the true mobile versions come out. This is the Zune all over again. They will have an initial take up from fanboys, and then watch sales drop dramatically afterwards. Tell me I'm wrong?
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I see your point about the 3g device. I got two iPads (v1) I bought years ago, one wifi and one 3g. Was using prepaid 3g on the one that could do it and now some years later its wifi only. Don't use the 3g on it. Its a home device mainly, too huge to cart around. Phone is used to get access to stuff on the move, or I use my Telstra 4g wifi hotspot which does up to 5 devices. I often have 5 connected too, Nexus 7, laptop, tablet even my phone (phone has 2gb data and charges me if I go over, not cheap either whereas the hotspot gets shaped so no danger, plus data is lots cheaper). So dedicated hotspot or phone is the solution (for me anyhow). As for why an RT device? I want a tablet they are great, but I'm over Apple. Android is what I use now mainly as my tablet (eee slate which is really a touchscreen laptop with its i5) is too battery hungry. Only lasts a couple of hours. You want something that will go for days and not have to be plugged in constantly or it will be flat when you actually want to use it. Thats where I see RT coming in for me. I dont think I'll have a pro tablet as they don't have enough grunt. no sir, my content creation device has to have guts and the specs of the pros are not much better than a low end ultrabook. (when compared to say, my Razer Blade gamer laptop that's on its way hehe) On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 7:32 AM, David Szkilnyk da...@szkilnyk.com wrote: The 3g is a mute subject how many times in our day to life we just portable hot spot our phones. From the kids in the car playing on the ipad to jump on the network to get something, to the network going down at work so your laptop can still keep going, to your tablet out of wifi range and you need to grab something urgently. ** ** Tell me I’m wrong? I am of view what can it be used for? I see no benefit from this device and yet to see why this is different in that I should purchase it over what is already existing. I am constantly asked by people around me and I cannot see why or even what I you could do with this device over the ipad and android other than Office. With Office I have yet see it running on it yet (though I reserve judgement here) though I am of mind that I would rather spend a few more dollars for atom version or a proper intel version and have a full win8 running and not running in its restricted environment. ** ** Personally I am waiting for the surface pro or ultra hybrid as to replace my aging 13in laptop, I have a set boundaries of operations and see this piece of hardware a very good step up, but a RT what’s it for? ** ** Dave. ** ** ** ** *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Tony Wright *Sent:* Thursday, 18 October 2012 9:22 AM *To:* 'ozDotNet' *Subject:* RE: Just seen the prices of Window 8 RT Surface devices ** ** Also, which would you prefer – a device that you can plug a SIM into, or one that you can’t? Microsoft’s tablet only has WIFI, which is a major market killer for business applications. ** ** So if you had to splurge on a tab, which would you go for – a tab that supports 3G, or one that doesn’t? Very disappointing. ** ** Right now they appear to be going for the stupid rich Microsoft fanboys who will be silly enough to purchase this device and then pay again when the true mobile versions come out. This is the Zune all over again. They will have an initial take up from fanboys, and then watch sales drop dramatically afterwards. ** ** Tell me I’m wrong? ** **
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(My opinion, not Microsoft's) In past releases we've focused on enterprise scenarios, with the thought that the consumer will buy what they use at work. Apple has long since proven that things have changed and I still groan every time I see Steve Balmer's quote when he was asked about the iPhone and said that they would get at maximum 3% of the market share. This time, Windows/Surface has bucked their typical product cycle and instead said that they're entirely focusing on everyday consumers. The fact that we're developers and techies automatically rules us out (not that I won't happily use the one that they are giving us :)). From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of David Szkilnyk Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 4:33 PM To: 'ozDotNet' Subject: RE: Just seen the prices of Window 8 RT Surface devices The 3g is a mute subject how many times in our day to life we just portable hot spot our phones. From the kids in the car playing on the ipad to jump on the network to get something, to the network going down at work so your laptop can still keep going, to your tablet out of wifi range and you need to grab something urgently. Tell me I'm wrong? I am of view what can it be used for? I see no benefit from this device and yet to see why this is different in that I should purchase it over what is already existing. I am constantly asked by people around me and I cannot see why or even what I you could do with this device over the ipad and android other than Office. With Office I have yet see it running on it yet (though I reserve judgement here) though I am of mind that I would rather spend a few more dollars for atom version or a proper intel version and have a full win8 running and not running in its restricted environment. Personally I am waiting for the surface pro or ultra hybrid as to replace my aging 13in laptop, I have a set boundaries of operations and see this piece of hardware a very good step up, but a RT what's it for? Dave. From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.commailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Tony Wright Sent: Thursday, 18 October 2012 9:22 AM To: 'ozDotNet' Subject: RE: Just seen the prices of Window 8 RT Surface devices Also, which would you prefer - a device that you can plug a SIM into, or one that you can't? Microsoft's tablet only has WIFI, which is a major market killer for business applications. So if you had to splurge on a tab, which would you go for - a tab that supports 3G, or one that doesn't? Very disappointing. Right now they appear to be going for the stupid rich Microsoft fanboys who will be silly enough to purchase this device and then pay again when the true mobile versions come out. This is the Zune all over again. They will have an initial take up from fanboys, and then watch sales drop dramatically afterwards. Tell me I'm wrong?
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I travel on the train every day. At least 50% of people are staring into a phone on the way to work (me included, WP7). This is at least 10x more than the number who have an iPad on the train. From this I can only conclude that when people are on the road and want mobility they use their phone, not their tablet. I also own an iPad and it is used 95% of the time at home, on the couch or kitchen. So 3g is not a high priority for most tablet users as they are mostly only using it at home or office. On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 12:45 PM, David Kean david.k...@microsoft.comwrote: (My opinion, not Microsoft’s) ** ** In past releases we’ve focused on enterprise scenarios, with the thought that the consumer will buy what they use at work. Apple has long since proven that things have changed and I still groan every time I see Steve Balmer’s quote when he was asked about the iPhone and said that they would get at maximum 3% of the market share. ** ** This time, Windows/Surface has bucked their typical product cycle and instead said that they’re entirely focusing on everyday consumers. The fact that we’re developers and techies automatically rules us out (not that I won’t happily use the one that they are giving us :)). ** ** *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *David Szkilnyk *Sent:* Wednesday, October 17, 2012 4:33 PM *To:* 'ozDotNet' *Subject:* RE: Just seen the prices of Window 8 RT Surface devices ** ** The 3g is a mute subject how many times in our day to life we just portable hot spot our phones. From the kids in the car playing on the ipad to jump on the network to get something, to the network going down at work so your laptop can still keep going, to your tablet out of wifi range and you need to grab something urgently. ** ** Tell me I’m wrong? I am of view what can it be used for? I see no benefit from this device and yet to see why this is different in that I should purchase it over what is already existing. I am constantly asked by people around me and I cannot see why or even what I you could do with this device over the ipad and android other than Office. With Office I have yet see it running on it yet (though I reserve judgement here) though I am of mind that I would rather spend a few more dollars for atom version or a proper intel version and have a full win8 running and not running in its restricted environment. ** ** Personally I am waiting for the surface pro or ultra hybrid as to replace my aging 13in laptop, I have a set boundaries of operations and see this piece of hardware a very good step up, but a RT what’s it for? ** ** Dave. ** ** ** ** *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [ mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Tony Wright *Sent:* Thursday, 18 October 2012 9:22 AM *To:* 'ozDotNet' *Subject:* RE: Just seen the prices of Window 8 RT Surface devices ** ** Also, which would you prefer – a device that you can plug a SIM into, or one that you can’t? Microsoft’s tablet only has WIFI, which is a major market killer for business applications. ** ** So if you had to splurge on a tab, which would you go for – a tab that supports 3G, or one that doesn’t? Very disappointing. ** ** Right now they appear to be going for the stupid rich Microsoft fanboys who will be silly enough to purchase this device and then pay again when the true mobile versions come out. This is the Zune all over again. They will have an initial take up from fanboys, and then watch sales drop dramatically afterwards. ** ** Tell me I’m wrong? ** **
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Does consumers include business, in your opinion? On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 12:45 PM, David Kean david.k...@microsoft.comwrote: (My opinion, not Microsoft’s) ** ** In past releases we’ve focused on enterprise scenarios, with the thought that the consumer will buy what they use at work. Apple has long since proven that things have changed and I still groan every time I see Steve Balmer’s quote when he was asked about the iPhone and said that they would get at maximum 3% of the market share. ** ** This time, Windows/Surface has bucked their typical product cycle and instead said that they’re entirely focusing on everyday consumers. The fact that we’re developers and techies automatically rules us out (not that I won’t happily use the one that they are giving us :)). ** ** *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *David Szkilnyk *Sent:* Wednesday, October 17, 2012 4:33 PM *To:* 'ozDotNet' *Subject:* RE: Just seen the prices of Window 8 RT Surface devices ** ** The 3g is a mute subject how many times in our day to life we just portable hot spot our phones. From the kids in the car playing on the ipad to jump on the network to get something, to the network going down at work so your laptop can still keep going, to your tablet out of wifi range and you need to grab something urgently. ** ** Tell me I’m wrong? I am of view what can it be used for? I see no benefit from this device and yet to see why this is different in that I should purchase it over what is already existing. I am constantly asked by people around me and I cannot see why or even what I you could do with this device over the ipad and android other than Office. With Office I have yet see it running on it yet (though I reserve judgement here) though I am of mind that I would rather spend a few more dollars for atom version or a proper intel version and have a full win8 running and not running in its restricted environment. ** ** Personally I am waiting for the surface pro or ultra hybrid as to replace my aging 13in laptop, I have a set boundaries of operations and see this piece of hardware a very good step up, but a RT what’s it for? ** ** Dave. ** ** ** ** *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [ mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Tony Wright *Sent:* Thursday, 18 October 2012 9:22 AM *To:* 'ozDotNet' *Subject:* RE: Just seen the prices of Window 8 RT Surface devices ** ** Also, which would you prefer – a device that you can plug a SIM into, or one that you can’t? Microsoft’s tablet only has WIFI, which is a major market killer for business applications. ** ** So if you had to splurge on a tab, which would you go for – a tab that supports 3G, or one that doesn’t? Very disappointing. ** ** Right now they appear to be going for the stupid rich Microsoft fanboys who will be silly enough to purchase this device and then pay again when the true mobile versions come out. This is the Zune all over again. They will have an initial take up from fanboys, and then watch sales drop dramatically afterwards. ** ** Tell me I’m wrong? ** ** -- Meski http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure, you'll get it, but it's going to be rough - Adam Hills
RE: Just seen the prices of Window 8 RT Surface devices....
No. From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of mike smith Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 7:48 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: Just seen the prices of Window 8 RT Surface devices Does consumers include business, in your opinion? On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 12:45 PM, David Kean david.k...@microsoft.commailto:david.k...@microsoft.com wrote: (My opinion, not Microsoft’s) In past releases we’ve focused on enterprise scenarios, with the thought that the consumer will buy what they use at work. Apple has long since proven that things have changed and I still groan every time I see Steve Balmer’s quote when he was asked about the iPhone and said that they would get at maximum 3% of the market share. This time, Windows/Surface has bucked their typical product cycle and instead said that they’re entirely focusing on everyday consumers. The fact that we’re developers and techies automatically rules us out (not that I won’t happily use the one that they are giving us :)). From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.commailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.commailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of David Szkilnyk Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 4:33 PM To: 'ozDotNet' Subject: RE: Just seen the prices of Window 8 RT Surface devices The 3g is a mute subject how many times in our day to life we just portable hot spot our phones. From the kids in the car playing on the ipad to jump on the network to get something, to the network going down at work so your laptop can still keep going, to your tablet out of wifi range and you need to grab something urgently. Tell me I’m wrong? I am of view what can it be used for? I see no benefit from this device and yet to see why this is different in that I should purchase it over what is already existing. I am constantly asked by people around me and I cannot see why or even what I you could do with this device over the ipad and android other than Office. With Office I have yet see it running on it yet (though I reserve judgement here) though I am of mind that I would rather spend a few more dollars for atom version or a proper intel version and have a full win8 running and not running in its restricted environment. Personally I am waiting for the surface pro or ultra hybrid as to replace my aging 13in laptop, I have a set boundaries of operations and see this piece of hardware a very good step up, but a RT what’s it for? Dave. From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.commailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Tony Wright Sent: Thursday, 18 October 2012 9:22 AM To: 'ozDotNet' Subject: RE: Just seen the prices of Window 8 RT Surface devices Also, which would you prefer – a device that you can plug a SIM into, or one that you can’t? Microsoft’s tablet only has WIFI, which is a major market killer for business applications. So if you had to splurge on a tab, which would you go for – a tab that supports 3G, or one that doesn’t? Very disappointing. Right now they appear to be going for the stupid rich Microsoft fanboys who will be silly enough to purchase this device and then pay again when the true mobile versions come out. This is the Zune all over again. They will have an initial take up from fanboys, and then watch sales drop dramatically afterwards. Tell me I’m wrong? -- Meski http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure, you'll get it, but it's going to be rough - Adam Hills
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Such a pity; I would have thought that a major differentiator might be the thought of seeing a proliferation of Microsoft Tablets in workplaces, and Office integration helps that (although you can buy an Office compatible application suite in Android, haven't seen the same for iPad.) There's all sorts of forms entry that can be done on the move that can't really be done well with mobile phones - I've written ones for doing Food Inspections, Site Inspections etc. Evolving it a bit, or a slightly different packaging and it could be like the Blackberry of the tablet world if done right. T. From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of David Kean Sent: Thursday, 18 October 2012 12:46 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: RE: Just seen the prices of Window 8 RT Surface devices (My opinion, not Microsoft's) In past releases we've focused on enterprise scenarios, with the thought that the consumer will buy what they use at work. Apple has long since proven that things have changed and I still groan every time I see Steve Balmer's quote when he was asked about the iPhone and said that they would get at maximum 3% of the market share. This time, Windows/Surface has bucked their typical product cycle and instead said that they're entirely focusing on everyday consumers. The fact that we're developers and techies automatically rules us out (not that I won't happily use the one that they are giving us :)). From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of David Szkilnyk Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 4:33 PM To: 'ozDotNet' Subject: RE: Just seen the prices of Window 8 RT Surface devices The 3g is a mute subject how many times in our day to life we just portable hot spot our phones. From the kids in the car playing on the ipad to jump on the network to get something, to the network going down at work so your laptop can still keep going, to your tablet out of wifi range and you need to grab something urgently. Tell me I'm wrong? I am of view what can it be used for? I see no benefit from this device and yet to see why this is different in that I should purchase it over what is already existing. I am constantly asked by people around me and I cannot see why or even what I you could do with this device over the ipad and android other than Office. With Office I have yet see it running on it yet (though I reserve judgement here) though I am of mind that I would rather spend a few more dollars for atom version or a proper intel version and have a full win8 running and not running in its restricted environment. Personally I am waiting for the surface pro or ultra hybrid as to replace my aging 13in laptop, I have a set boundaries of operations and see this piece of hardware a very good step up, but a RT what's it for? Dave. From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Tony Wright Sent: Thursday, 18 October 2012 9:22 AM To: 'ozDotNet' Subject: RE: Just seen the prices of Window 8 RT Surface devices Also, which would you prefer - a device that you can plug a SIM into, or one that you can't? Microsoft's tablet only has WIFI, which is a major market killer for business applications. So if you had to splurge on a tab, which would you go for - a tab that supports 3G, or one that doesn't? Very disappointing. Right now they appear to be going for the stupid rich Microsoft fanboys who will be silly enough to purchase this device and then pay again when the true mobile versions come out. This is the Zune all over again. They will have an initial take up from fanboys, and then watch sales drop dramatically afterwards. Tell me I'm wrong?
RE: Just seen the prices of Window 8 RT Surface devices....
Don't get me wrong. This will happen. We're (in my completely biased opinion) in an awesome position to take the workplace by storm - Surface Pro runs the full Windows, so you get the best of both worlds. From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Tony Wright Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 7:56 PM To: 'ozDotNet' Subject: RE: Just seen the prices of Window 8 RT Surface devices Such a pity; I would have thought that a major differentiator might be the thought of seeing a proliferation of Microsoft Tablets in workplaces, and Office integration helps that (although you can buy an Office compatible application suite in Android, haven't seen the same for iPad.) There's all sorts of forms entry that can be done on the move that can't really be done well with mobile phones - I've written ones for doing Food Inspections, Site Inspections etc. Evolving it a bit, or a slightly different packaging and it could be like the Blackberry of the tablet world if done right... T. From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.commailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of David Kean Sent: Thursday, 18 October 2012 12:46 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: RE: Just seen the prices of Window 8 RT Surface devices (My opinion, not Microsoft's) In past releases we've focused on enterprise scenarios, with the thought that the consumer will buy what they use at work. Apple has long since proven that things have changed and I still groan every time I see Steve Balmer's quote when he was asked about the iPhone and said that they would get at maximum 3% of the market share. This time, Windows/Surface has bucked their typical product cycle and instead said that they're entirely focusing on everyday consumers. The fact that we're developers and techies automatically rules us out (not that I won't happily use the one that they are giving us :)). From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.commailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of David Szkilnyk Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 4:33 PM To: 'ozDotNet' Subject: RE: Just seen the prices of Window 8 RT Surface devices The 3g is a mute subject how many times in our day to life we just portable hot spot our phones. From the kids in the car playing on the ipad to jump on the network to get something, to the network going down at work so your laptop can still keep going, to your tablet out of wifi range and you need to grab something urgently. Tell me I'm wrong? I am of view what can it be used for? I see no benefit from this device and yet to see why this is different in that I should purchase it over what is already existing. I am constantly asked by people around me and I cannot see why or even what I you could do with this device over the ipad and android other than Office. With Office I have yet see it running on it yet (though I reserve judgement here) though I am of mind that I would rather spend a few more dollars for atom version or a proper intel version and have a full win8 running and not running in its restricted environment. Personally I am waiting for the surface pro or ultra hybrid as to replace my aging 13in laptop, I have a set boundaries of operations and see this piece of hardware a very good step up, but a RT what's it for? Dave. From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.commailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Tony Wright Sent: Thursday, 18 October 2012 9:22 AM To: 'ozDotNet' Subject: RE: Just seen the prices of Window 8 RT Surface devices Also, which would you prefer - a device that you can plug a SIM into, or one that you can't? Microsoft's tablet only has WIFI, which is a major market killer for business applications. So if you had to splurge on a tab, which would you go for - a tab that supports 3G, or one that doesn't? Very disappointing. Right now they appear to be going for the stupid rich Microsoft fanboys who will be silly enough to purchase this device and then pay again when the true mobile versions come out. This is the Zune all over again. They will have an initial take up from fanboys, and then watch sales drop dramatically afterwards. Tell me I'm wrong?
