Re: VS2012 hacks
iOS7 is what happeneded the night of Steve Jobs funeral as they all sat in a bar listening to Whitesnake (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOJk0HW_hJw) doing lines of cocaine and suddenly reliving your 80's and after then upgrading your digital skuemorphism to the next circle of design hell ... 80's iOS ..it's the mullet Steve would have wanted. --- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.riagenic.com On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 12:29 PM, mike smith meski...@gmail.com wrote: I don't get Apple design. How could the designers of OSX have come up with a dog like iOS? Mike On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 10:07 PM, Scott Barnes scott.bar...@gmail.comwrote: VS2012 design could have been worse.. Apple could have designed it :) http://d3j5vwomefv46c.cloudfront.net/photos/large/780667831.jpg?1371031013 --- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.riagenic.com On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 3:29 PM, Ian Thomas il.tho...@iinet.net.auwrote: Greg, Greg – I put it down to the UIX guru / fiend that obviously exerted great influence over the PMs and higher-ups in Microsoft. I can’t stand Office 2013 – I appreciate some features, but find some of the behaviours and the UI itself just counter-productive (ie, anti my productivity). I don’t think I am resistant to change. I removed it, in favour of Office 2010 (incidentally, I never used Office2007 and took to the ribbon OK). There is another VS2012 hack that I omitted – NiceVS. It overlaps with one of the other hacks that I listed. NiceVS http://visualstudiogallery.msdn.microsoft.com/a36021f0-770a-4258-854e-724e9d12b8a6 I hate to have to do these things. -- **Ian Thomas** Victoria Park, Western Australia ** ** ** ** *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Greg Keogh *Sent:* Saturday, June 15, 2013 9:30 AM *To:* ozDotNet *Subject:* Re: VS2012 hacks ** ** Ian (et al), I have also taken a lot of steps recently to restore old colours and behaviour to recent Microsoft product releases. I don't normally do that. We all expect complaints when new versions of products are released, but in my experience the noise quickly drops away and people just accept the changes and run with them. However, the amount of stubborn resistance recently has been quite startling. Why is this happening? Microsoft is dragging us all along with it on some sort of global style change where there is less chrome, fewer borders, less saturated colour, fewer lines, etc. Now I can honestly understand this because the eye and brain work better with less clutter, but it all seems to have gone too far (remember the first preview of Visual Studio 2012 that looked like a charcoal etching?). Is there some department or research within Microsoft that is driving this trend? Do they explain their reasoning? Where did they recruit the drugged gibbons they put through the usability testing? And then there's Windows 8 ... Greg -- Meski http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure, you'll get it, but it's going to be rough - Adam Hills
Re: [OT] My New Pluralsight Course
since you are in the business of spamming the list could you provide a free copy of your content please? On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 10:11 AM, jasi...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi all, My new Pluralsight course has just been released “Automated Testing: End to End” *http://bit.ly/pstesting* http://bit.ly/pstesting We shouldn't live in fear of our code. Long-term customer satisfaction, product agility, and developer happiness are crucial. A quality suite of automated tests helps achieve this. This practical course covers how and what to test at the unit, integration, and functional UI levels; and how to bring them all together with continuous integration build server. Hope wherever you are in Oz you’re having a great morning Cheers Jason Sent from Windows Mail
Re: [OT] My New Pluralsight Course
really?? On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 9:31 PM, Wallace Turner wallace.tur...@gmail.comwrote: since you are in the business of spamming the list could you provide a free copy of your content please? On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 10:11 AM, jasi...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi all, My new Pluralsight course has just been released “Automated Testing: End to End” *http://bit.ly/pstesting* http://bit.ly/pstesting We shouldn't live in fear of our code. Long-term customer satisfaction, product agility, and developer happiness are crucial. A quality suite of automated tests helps achieve this. This practical course covers how and what to test at the unit, integration, and functional UI levels; and how to bring them all together with continuous integration build server. Hope wherever you are in Oz you’re having a great morning Cheers Jason Sent from Windows Mail -- Heinrich Breedt “Do not wait to strike till the iron is hot; but make it hot by striking.” - William B. Sprague
Re: [OT] My New Pluralsight Course
Pretty sure one email doesn't classify as spamming. Personally, I think if someone in our community produces anything they are proud of and want to share with us, they should be encouraged. If said emails were to become a regular thing then you could politely ask them to stop (off list preferably). Since you are in the business of begging, could you please make yourself a cardboard sign or something so we can all give you free stuff as we pass you in the street. On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 7:31 PM, Wallace Turner wallace.tur...@gmail.comwrote: since you are in the business of spamming the list could you provide a free copy of your content please? On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 10:11 AM, jasi...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi all, My new Pluralsight course has just been released “Automated Testing: End to End” *http://bit.ly/pstesting* http://bit.ly/pstesting We shouldn't live in fear of our code. Long-term customer satisfaction, product agility, and developer happiness are crucial. A quality suite of automated tests helps achieve this. This practical course covers how and what to test at the unit, integration, and functional UI levels; and how to bring them all together with continuous integration build server. Hope wherever you are in Oz you’re having a great morning Cheers Jason Sent from Windows Mail
Re: [OT] My New Pluralsight Course
Hes not exactly sharing it, is he? On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 7:59 PM, Wallace Turner wallace.tur...@gmail.comwrote: I dont agree sorry. On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 7:52 PM, Stephen Price step...@perthprojects.comwrote: Pretty sure one email doesn't classify as spamming. Personally, I think if someone in our community produces anything they are proud of and want to share with us, they should be encouraged. If said emails were to become a regular thing then you could politely ask them to stop (off list preferably). Since you are in the business of begging, could you please make yourself a cardboard sign or something so we can all give you free stuff as we pass you in the street. On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 7:31 PM, Wallace Turner wallace.tur...@gmail.com wrote: since you are in the business of spamming the list could you provide a free copy of your content please? On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 10:11 AM, jasi...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi all, My new Pluralsight course has just been released “Automated Testing: End to End” *http://bit.ly/pstesting* http://bit.ly/pstesting We shouldn't live in fear of our code. Long-term customer satisfaction, product agility, and developer happiness are crucial. A quality suite of automated tests helps achieve this. This practical course covers how and what to test at the unit, integration, and functional UI levels; and how to bring them all together with continuous integration build server. Hope wherever you are in Oz you’re having a great morning Cheers Jason Sent from Windows Mail
Re: [OT] My New Pluralsight Course
I dont agree sorry. On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 7:52 PM, Stephen Price step...@perthprojects.comwrote: Pretty sure one email doesn't classify as spamming. Personally, I think if someone in our community produces anything they are proud of and want to share with us, they should be encouraged. If said emails were to become a regular thing then you could politely ask them to stop (off list preferably). Since you are in the business of begging, could you please make yourself a cardboard sign or something so we can all give you free stuff as we pass you in the street. On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 7:31 PM, Wallace Turner wallace.tur...@gmail.comwrote: since you are in the business of spamming the list could you provide a free copy of your content please? On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 10:11 AM, jasi...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi all, My new Pluralsight course has just been released “Automated Testing: End to End” *http://bit.ly/pstesting* http://bit.ly/pstesting We shouldn't live in fear of our code. Long-term customer satisfaction, product agility, and developer happiness are crucial. A quality suite of automated tests helps achieve this. This practical course covers how and what to test at the unit, integration, and functional UI levels; and how to bring them all together with continuous integration build server. Hope wherever you are in Oz you’re having a great morning Cheers Jason Sent from Windows Mail
Re: [OT] My New Pluralsight Course
Mate, you are out of line. On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 9:59 PM, Wallace Turner wallace.tur...@gmail.comwrote: Hes not exactly sharing it, is he? On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 7:59 PM, Wallace Turner wallace.tur...@gmail.comwrote: I dont agree sorry. On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 7:52 PM, Stephen Price step...@perthprojects.com wrote: Pretty sure one email doesn't classify as spamming. Personally, I think if someone in our community produces anything they are proud of and want to share with us, they should be encouraged. If said emails were to become a regular thing then you could politely ask them to stop (off list preferably). Since you are in the business of begging, could you please make yourself a cardboard sign or something so we can all give you free stuff as we pass you in the street. On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 7:31 PM, Wallace Turner wallace.tur...@gmail.com wrote: since you are in the business of spamming the list could you provide a free copy of your content please? On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 10:11 AM, jasi...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi all, My new Pluralsight course has just been released “Automated Testing: End to End” *http://bit.ly/pstesting* http://bit.ly/pstesting We shouldn't live in fear of our code. Long-term customer satisfaction, product agility, and developer happiness are crucial. A quality suite of automated tests helps achieve this. This practical course covers how and what to test at the unit, integration, and functional UI levels; and how to bring them all together with continuous integration build server. Hope wherever you are in Oz you’re having a great morning Cheers Jason Sent from Windows Mail -- Heinrich Breedt “Do not wait to strike till the iron is hot; but make it hot by striking.” - William B. Sprague
Re: [OT] My New Pluralsight Course
Guys forget the line or spamming, and since it is almost friday, can we discuss what frameworks are available to support distributed programming models instead? On 20 June 2013 22:01, Heinrich Breedt heinrichbre...@gmail.com wrote: Mate, you are out of line. On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 9:59 PM, Wallace Turner wallace.tur...@gmail.comwrote: Hes not exactly sharing it, is he? On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 7:59 PM, Wallace Turner wallace.tur...@gmail.com wrote: I dont agree sorry. On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 7:52 PM, Stephen Price step...@perthprojects.com wrote: Pretty sure one email doesn't classify as spamming. Personally, I think if someone in our community produces anything they are proud of and want to share with us, they should be encouraged. If said emails were to become a regular thing then you could politely ask them to stop (off list preferably). Since you are in the business of begging, could you please make yourself a cardboard sign or something so we can all give you free stuff as we pass you in the street. On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 7:31 PM, Wallace Turner wallace.tur...@gmail.com wrote: since you are in the business of spamming the list could you provide a free copy of your content please? On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 10:11 AM, jasi...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi all, My new Pluralsight course has just been released “Automated Testing: End to End” *http://bit.ly/pstesting* http://bit.ly/pstesting We shouldn't live in fear of our code. Long-term customer satisfaction, product agility, and developer happiness are crucial. A quality suite of automated tests helps achieve this. This practical course covers how and what to test at the unit, integration, and functional UI levels; and how to bring them all together with continuous integration build server. Hope wherever you are in Oz you’re having a great morning Cheers Jason Sent from Windows Mail -- Heinrich Breedt “Do not wait to strike till the iron is hot; but make it hot by striking.” - William B. Sprague
Re: [OT] My New Pluralsight Course
good idea! i'll save Jason some typing by posting this: http://pluralsight.com/training/Courses/TableOfContents?courseName=eda :) On 20/06/2013 8:21 PM, Arjang Assadi wrote: Guys forget the line or spamming, and since it is almost friday, can we discuss what frameworks are available to support distributed programming models instead? On 20 June 2013 22:01, Heinrich Breedt heinrichbre...@gmail.com mailto:heinrichbre...@gmail.com wrote: Mate, you are out of line. On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 9:59 PM, Wallace Turner wallace.tur...@gmail.com mailto:wallace.tur...@gmail.com wrote: Hes not exactly sharing it, is he? On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 7:59 PM, Wallace Turner wallace.tur...@gmail.com mailto:wallace.tur...@gmail.com wrote: I dont agree sorry. On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 7:52 PM, Stephen Price step...@perthprojects.com mailto:step...@perthprojects.com wrote: Pretty sure one email doesn't classify as spamming. Personally, I think if someone in our community produces anything they are proud of and want to share with us, they should be encouraged. If said emails were to become a regular thing then you could politely ask them to stop (off list preferably). Since you are in the business of begging, could you please make yourself a cardboard sign or something so we can all give you free stuff as we pass you in the street. On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 7:31 PM, Wallace Turner wallace.tur...@gmail.com mailto:wallace.tur...@gmail.com wrote: since you are in the business of spamming the list could you provide a free copy of your content please? On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 10:11 AM, jasi...@yahoo.co.uk mailto:jasi...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi all, My new Pluralsight course has just been released “Automated Testing: End to End” _http://bit.ly/pstesting_ We shouldn't live in fear of our code. Long-term customer satisfaction, product agility, and developer happiness are crucial. A quality suite of automated tests helps achieve this. This practical course covers how and what to test at the unit, integration, and functional UI levels; and how to bring them all together with continuous integration build server. Hope wherever you are in Oz you’re having a great morning Cheers Jason Sent from Windows Mail -- Heinrich Breedt “Do not wait to strike till the iron is hot; but make it hot by striking.” - William B. Sprague
RE: [OT] My New Pluralsight Course
Agreed, Stephen – not spam, definitely informative – and in my opinion, helpful. Perhaps it is the right thing / fashionable to preface it with a pseudo-xml token shameless plug/ and it would be all OK. _ Ian Thomas Victoria Park, Western Australia From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Price Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2013 7:53 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: [OT] My New Pluralsight Course Pretty sure one email doesn't classify as spamming. Personally, I think if someone in our community produces anything they are proud of and want to share with us, they should be encouraged. If said emails were to become a regular thing then you could politely ask them to stop (off list preferably). Since you are in the business of begging, could you please make yourself a cardboard sign or something so we can all give you free stuff as we pass you in the street. On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 7:31 PM, Wallace Turner wallace.tur...@gmail.com wrote: since you are in the business of spamming the list could you provide a free copy of your content please? On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 10:11 AM, jasi...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi all, My new Pluralsight course has just been released “Automated Testing: End to End” http://bit.ly/pstesting http://bit.ly/pstesting We shouldn't live in fear of our code. Long-term customer satisfaction, product agility, and developer happiness are crucial. A quality suite of automated tests helps achieve this. This practical course covers how and what to test at the unit, integration, and functional UI levels; and how to bring them all together with continuous integration build server. Hope wherever you are in Oz you’re having a great morning Cheers Jason Sent from Windows Mail
RE: VS2012 hacks
Well said. Punished myself by using it for a day - never been so relieved to get rid of it (oh wait, actually the last time was when I tried using an iphone 5 for a week... need I say more). Nick Randolph| Built to Roam Pty Ltd | Microsoft MVP - Windows Phone Development | +61 412 413 425 | @btroam | skype:nick_randolph The information contained in this email is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not disclose or use the information in this email in any way. Built to Roam Pty Ltd does not guarantee the integrity of any emails or attached files. The views or opinions expressed are the author's own and may not reflect the views or opinions of Built to Roam Pty Ltd. From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Scott Barnes Sent: Thursday, 20 June 2013 7:46 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: VS2012 hacks iOS7 is what happeneded the night of Steve Jobs funeral as they all sat in a bar listening to Whitesnake (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOJk0HW_hJw) doing lines of cocaine and suddenly reliving your 80's and after then upgrading your digital skuemorphism to the next circle of design hell ... 80's iOS ..it's the mullet Steve would have wanted. --- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.riagenic.com On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 12:29 PM, mike smith meski...@gmail.commailto:meski...@gmail.com wrote: I don't get Apple design. How could the designers of OSX have come up with a dog like iOS? Mike On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 10:07 PM, Scott Barnes scott.bar...@gmail.commailto:scott.bar...@gmail.com wrote: VS2012 design could have been worse.. Apple could have designed it :) http://d3j5vwomefv46c.cloudfront.net/photos/large/780667831.jpg?1371031013 --- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.riagenic.com On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 3:29 PM, Ian Thomas il.tho...@iinet.net.aumailto:il.tho...@iinet.net.au wrote: Greg, Greg - I put it down to the UIX guru / fiend that obviously exerted great influence over the PMs and higher-ups in Microsoft. I can't stand Office 2013 - I appreciate some features, but find some of the behaviours and the UI itself just counter-productive (ie, anti my productivity). I don't think I am resistant to change. I removed it, in favour of Office 2010 (incidentally, I never used Office2007 and took to the ribbon OK). There is another VS2012 hack that I omitted - NiceVS. It overlaps with one of the other hacks that I listed. NiceVS http://visualstudiogallery.msdn.microsoft.com/a36021f0-770a-4258-854e-724e9d12b8a6 I hate to have to do these things. Ian Thomas Victoria Park, Western Australia From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.commailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.commailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Greg Keogh Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2013 9:30 AM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: VS2012 hacks Ian (et al), I have also taken a lot of steps recently to restore old colours and behaviour to recent Microsoft product releases. I don't normally do that. We all expect complaints when new versions of products are released, but in my experience the noise quickly drops away and people just accept the changes and run with them. However, the amount of stubborn resistance recently has been quite startling. Why is this happening? Microsoft is dragging us all along with it on some sort of global style change where there is less chrome, fewer borders, less saturated colour, fewer lines, etc. Now I can honestly understand this because the eye and brain work better with less clutter, but it all seems to have gone too far (remember the first preview of Visual Studio 2012 that looked like a charcoal etching?). Is there some department or research within Microsoft that is driving this trend? Do they explain their reasoning? Where did they recruit the drugged gibbons they put through the usability testing? And then there's Windows 8 ... Greg -- Meski http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure, you'll get it, but it's going to be rough - Adam Hills
RE: [OT] My New Pluralsight Course
Pretty sure unsolicited advertisement does classify as spamming, regardless of volume. Not that it really bothers me in this instance, as it’s not completely out of nowhere and it is just one email. But WT’s call is fair enough too. If you choose to resort to spam to get the word out for whatever you’re trying to flog, you need to accept the bad will that comes with it. Since you are in the business of charity, let share where you spend your lunch times so those so inclined can best co-ordinate their cardboard signs. From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Price Sent: Thursday, 20 June 2013 9:53 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: [OT] My New Pluralsight Course Pretty sure one email doesn't classify as spamming. Personally, I think if someone in our community produces anything they are proud of and want to share with us, they should be encouraged. If said emails were to become a regular thing then you could politely ask them to stop (off list preferably). Since you are in the business of begging, could you please make yourself a cardboard sign or something so we can all give you free stuff as we pass you in the street. On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 7:31 PM, Wallace Turner wallace.tur...@gmail.commailto:wallace.tur...@gmail.com wrote: since you are in the business of spamming the list could you provide a free copy of your content please? On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 10:11 AM, jasi...@yahoo.co.ukmailto:jasi...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi all, My new Pluralsight course has just been released “Automated Testing: End to End” http://bit.ly/pstesting We shouldn't live in fear of our code. Long-term customer satisfaction, product agility, and developer happiness are crucial. A quality suite of automated tests helps achieve this. This practical course covers how and what to test at the unit, integration, and functional UI levels; and how to bring them all together with continuous integration build server. Hope wherever you are in Oz you’re having a great morning Cheers Jason Sent from Windows Mail Click herehttps://www.mailcontrol.com/sr/MZbqvYs5QwJvpeaetUwhCQ== to report this email as spam. This message has been scanned for malware by Websense. www.websense.com
Re: [OT] My New Pluralsight Course
True unsolicited goes in there with the meaning of spam, but it was not indiscriminately sent. It could easily be considered to be on topic. Since you are in the business of comedy, please share where you perform so those inclined can come and watch your show. :) Oh, and Jason is in Perth, not UK. I suspect his email address is a hangover from having lived there few years ago. Let me tell you, if *I* had a Pluralsight course available you'd never hear the bloody end of it. On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 5:52 AM, Nathan Chere nathan.ch...@saiglobal.comwrote: Pretty sure unsolicited advertisement *does* classify as spamming, regardless of volume. ** ** Not that it really bothers me in this instance, as it’s not *completely*out of nowhere and it *is* just one email. But WT’s call is fair enough too. If you choose to resort to spam to get the word out for whatever you’re trying to flog, you need to accept the bad will that comes with it. ** ** Since you are in the business of charity, let share where you spend your lunch times so those so inclined can best co-ordinate their cardboard signs. ** ** *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Stephen Price *Sent:* Thursday, 20 June 2013 9:53 PM *To:* ozDotNet *Subject:* Re: [OT] My New Pluralsight Course ** ** Pretty sure one email doesn't classify as spamming. Personally, I think if someone in our community produces anything they are proud of and want to share with us, they should be encouraged. If said emails were to become a regular thing then you could politely ask them to stop (off list preferably). ** ** Since you are in the business of begging, could you please make yourself a cardboard sign or something so we can all give you free stuff as we pass you in the street. ** ** ** ** On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 7:31 PM, Wallace Turner wallace.tur...@gmail.com wrote: since you are in the business of spamming the list could you provide a free copy of your content please? ** ** On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 10:11 AM, jasi...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi all, My new Pluralsight course has just been released “Automated Testing: End to End” http://bit.ly/pstesting We shouldn't live in fear of our code. Long-term customer satisfaction, product agility, and developer happiness are crucial. A quality suite of automated tests helps achieve this. This practical course covers how and what to test at the unit, integration, and functional UI levels; and how to bring them all together with continuous integration build server. Hope wherever you are in Oz you’re having a great morning Cheers Jason Sent from Windows Mail ** ** ** ** ** ** Click here https://www.mailcontrol.com/sr/MZbqvYs5QwJvpeaetUwhCQ== to report this email as spam. This message has been scanned for malware by Websense. www.websense.com
Re: [OT] My New Pluralsight Course
So I heard you liek Pluralsight courses... :) Another meme for Friday. On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 11:15 AM, Stephen Price step...@perthprojects.comwrote: True unsolicited goes in there with the meaning of spam, but it was not indiscriminately sent. It could easily be considered to be on topic. Since you are in the business of comedy, please share where you perform so those inclined can come and watch your show. :) Oh, and Jason is in Perth, not UK. I suspect his email address is a hangover from having lived there few years ago. Let me tell you, if *I* had a Pluralsight course available you'd never hear the bloody end of it. On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 5:52 AM, Nathan Chere nathan.ch...@saiglobal.comwrote: Pretty sure unsolicited advertisement *does* classify as spamming, regardless of volume. ** ** Not that it really bothers me in this instance, as it’s not *completely*out of nowhere and it *is* just one email. But WT’s call is fair enough too. If you choose to resort to spam to get the word out for whatever you’re trying to flog, you need to accept the bad will that comes with it. ** ** Since you are in the business of charity, let share where you spend your lunch times so those so inclined can best co-ordinate their cardboard signs. ** ** *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Stephen Price *Sent:* Thursday, 20 June 2013 9:53 PM *To:* ozDotNet *Subject:* Re: [OT] My New Pluralsight Course ** ** Pretty sure one email doesn't classify as spamming. Personally, I think if someone in our community produces anything they are proud of and want to share with us, they should be encouraged. If said emails were to become a regular thing then you could politely ask them to stop (off list preferably). ** ** Since you are in the business of begging, could you please make yourself a cardboard sign or something so we can all give you free stuff as we pass you in the street. ** ** ** ** On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 7:31 PM, Wallace Turner wallace.tur...@gmail.com wrote: since you are in the business of spamming the list could you provide a free copy of your content please? ** ** On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 10:11 AM, jasi...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi all, My new Pluralsight course has just been released “Automated Testing: End to End” http://bit.ly/pstesting We shouldn't live in fear of our code. Long-term customer satisfaction, product agility, and developer happiness are crucial. A quality suite of automated tests helps achieve this. This practical course covers how and what to test at the unit, integration, and functional UI levels; and how to bring them all together with continuous integration build server. Hope wherever you are in Oz you’re having a great morning Cheers Jason Sent from Windows Mail ** ** ** ** ** ** Click here https://www.mailcontrol.com/sr/MZbqvYs5QwJvpeaetUwhCQ== to report this email as spam. This message has been scanned for malware by Websense. www.websense.com -- Meski http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure, you'll get it, but it's going to be rough - Adam Hills
Re: VS2012 hacks
Nice quote. Google says it's *skeuomorphism *though. (what kind of language puts euo in that order???) Mike On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 7:45 PM, Scott Barnes scott.bar...@gmail.comwrote: iOS7 is what happeneded the night of Steve Jobs funeral as they all sat in a bar listening to Whitesnake (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOJk0HW_hJw) doing lines of cocaine and suddenly reliving your 80's and after then upgrading your digital skuemorphism to the next circle of design hell ... 80's iOS ..it's the mullet Steve would have wanted. --- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.riagenic.com On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 12:29 PM, mike smith meski...@gmail.com wrote: I don't get Apple design. How could the designers of OSX have come up with a dog like iOS? Mike On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 10:07 PM, Scott Barnes scott.bar...@gmail.comwrote: VS2012 design could have been worse.. Apple could have designed it :) http://d3j5vwomefv46c.cloudfront.net/photos/large/780667831.jpg?1371031013 --- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.riagenic.com On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 3:29 PM, Ian Thomas il.tho...@iinet.net.auwrote: Greg, Greg – I put it down to the UIX guru / fiend that obviously exerted great influence over the PMs and higher-ups in Microsoft. I can’t stand Office 2013 – I appreciate some features, but find some of the behaviours and the UI itself just counter-productive (ie, anti my productivity). I don’t think I am resistant to change. I removed it, in favour of Office 2010 (incidentally, I never used Office2007 and took to the ribbon OK). There is another VS2012 hack that I omitted – NiceVS. It overlaps with one of the other hacks that I listed. NiceVS http://visualstudiogallery.msdn.microsoft.com/a36021f0-770a-4258-854e-724e9d12b8a6 I hate to have to do these things. -- **Ian Thomas** Victoria Park, Western Australia ** ** ** ** *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Greg Keogh *Sent:* Saturday, June 15, 2013 9:30 AM *To:* ozDotNet *Subject:* Re: VS2012 hacks ** ** Ian (et al), I have also taken a lot of steps recently to restore old colours and behaviour to recent Microsoft product releases. I don't normally do that. We all expect complaints when new versions of products are released, but in my experience the noise quickly drops away and people just accept the changes and run with them. However, the amount of stubborn resistance recently has been quite startling. Why is this happening?*** * Microsoft is dragging us all along with it on some sort of global style change where there is less chrome, fewer borders, less saturated colour, fewer lines, etc. Now I can honestly understand this because the eye and brain work better with less clutter, but it all seems to have gone too far (remember the first preview of Visual Studio 2012 that looked like a charcoal etching?). Is there some department or research within Microsoft that is driving this trend? Do they explain their reasoning? Where did they recruit the drugged gibbons they put through the usability testing? And then there's Windows 8 ... Greg -- Meski http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure, you'll get it, but it's going to be rough - Adam Hills -- Meski http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure, you'll get it, but it's going to be rough - Adam Hills
Re: Message Queing
I've had good experiences with zeromq, in a fairly limited context. On 21 Jun 2013 11:48, Corneliu I. Tusnea corne...@acorns.com.au wrote: Hi, Anyone can recommend a good message queuing system that works well with .Net? I'm only aware of ActiveMQ and MSMQ. I know ActiveMQ is Java based and I want to stay away from MSMQ as previous experiences were not that positive. Azure is not an option as I need this to run internally. Thanks, Corneliu.
RE: Message Queing
RabbitMQ works great. From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Corneliu I. Tusnea Sent: Friday, 21 June 2013 11:48 AM To: ozDotNet Subject: Message Queing Hi, Anyone can recommend a good message queuing system that works well with .Net? I'm only aware of ActiveMQ and MSMQ. I know ActiveMQ is Java based and I want to stay away from MSMQ as previous experiences were not that positive. Azure is not an option as I need this to run internally. Thanks, Corneliu. Click herehttps://www.mailcontrol.com/sr/MZbqvYs5QwJvpeaetUwhCQ== to report this email as spam. This message has been scanned for malware by Websense. www.websense.com
RE: [OT] My New Pluralsight Course
No worries ☺ https://pluralsight.com/training/Subscribe/Step1?isTrial=True Free 10day trial via the above link. Dave From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Wallace Turner Sent: Thursday, 20 June 2013 9:31 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: [OT] My New Pluralsight Course since you are in the business of spamming the list could you provide a free copy of your content please? On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 10:11 AM, jasi...@yahoo.co.ukmailto:jasi...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi all, My new Pluralsight course has just been released “Automated Testing: End to End” http://bit.ly/pstesting We shouldn't live in fear of our code. Long-term customer satisfaction, product agility, and developer happiness are crucial. A quality suite of automated tests helps achieve this. This practical course covers how and what to test at the unit, integration, and functional UI levels; and how to bring them all together with continuous integration build server. Hope wherever you are in Oz you’re having a great morning #128522; Cheers Jason Sent from Windows Mail
RE: [OT] My New Pluralsight Course
Personally I would like to hear about the products and services that people / organisations on the forum have to plug and about whatever they are working on. I would have a little more faith and recourse with such a product or service than some random finding on the web. Perhaps once a month the forum moderators could declare ShamelessPlugDay and of course some time later /ShamelessPlugDay ? Wouldn’t most people have some interest in this or curiosity at least? From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Price Sent: Friday, 21 June 2013 11:15 AM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: [OT] My New Pluralsight Course True unsolicited goes in there with the meaning of spam, but it was not indiscriminately sent. It could easily be considered to be on topic. Since you are in the business of comedy, please share where you perform so those inclined can come and watch your show. :) Oh, and Jason is in Perth, not UK. I suspect his email address is a hangover from having lived there few years ago. Let me tell you, if *I* had a Pluralsight course available you'd never hear the bloody end of it. On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 5:52 AM, Nathan Chere nathan.ch...@saiglobal.com wrote: Pretty sure unsolicited advertisement does classify as spamming, regardless of volume. Not that it really bothers me in this instance, as it’s not completely out of nowhere and it is just one email. But WT’s call is fair enough too. If you choose to resort to spam to get the word out for whatever you’re trying to flog, you need to accept the bad will that comes with it. Since you are in the business of charity, let share where you spend your lunch times so those so inclined can best co-ordinate their cardboard signs. From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Price Sent: Thursday, 20 June 2013 9:53 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: [OT] My New Pluralsight Course Pretty sure one email doesn't classify as spamming. Personally, I think if someone in our community produces anything they are proud of and want to share with us, they should be encouraged. If said emails were to become a regular thing then you could politely ask them to stop (off list preferably). Since you are in the business of begging, could you please make yourself a cardboard sign or something so we can all give you free stuff as we pass you in the street. On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 7:31 PM, Wallace Turner wallace.tur...@gmail.com wrote: since you are in the business of spamming the list could you provide a free copy of your content please? On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 10:11 AM, jasi...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi all, My new Pluralsight course has just been released “Automated Testing: End to End” http://bit.ly/pstesting http://bit.ly/pstesting We shouldn't live in fear of our code. Long-term customer satisfaction, product agility, and developer happiness are crucial. A quality suite of automated tests helps achieve this. This practical course covers how and what to test at the unit, integration, and functional UI levels; and how to bring them all together with continuous integration build server. Hope wherever you are in Oz you’re having a great morning Cheers Jason Sent from Windows Mail Click here https://www.mailcontrol.com/sr/MZbqvYs5QwJvpeaetUwhCQ== to report this email as spam. This message has been scanned for malware by Websense. http://www.websense.com/ www.websense.com No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3345 / Virus Database: 3199/6428 - Release Date: 06/20/13
RE: VS2012 hacks
It’s Greek to me J - but was Scott subconsciously associating designs (skeumorphs) with stock keeping units (SKUs)? But aren’t all Apple designs perfect? I have to smile at the grudging praise of Microsoft Surface (the hardware) by the Apple fanbois. _ Ian Thomas Victoria Park, Western Australia From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of mike smith Sent: Friday, June 21, 2013 9:33 AM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: VS2012 hacks Nice quote. Google says it's skeuomorphism though. (what kind of language puts euo in that order???) Mike On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 7:45 PM, Scott Barnes scott.bar...@gmail.com wrote: iOS7 is what happeneded the night of Steve Jobs funeral as they all sat in a bar listening to Whitesnake (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOJk0HW_hJw) doing lines of cocaine and suddenly reliving your 80's and after then upgrading your digital skuemorphism to the next circle of design hell ... 80's iOS ..it's the mullet Steve would have wanted. --- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.riagenic.com On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 12:29 PM, mike smith meski...@gmail.com wrote: I don't get Apple design. How could the designers of OSX have come up with a dog like iOS? Mike On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 10:07 PM, Scott Barnes scott.bar...@gmail.com wrote: VS2012 design could have been worse.. Apple could have designed it :) http://d3j5vwomefv46c.cloudfront.net/photos/large/780667831.jpg?1371031013 --- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.riagenic.com On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 3:29 PM, Ian Thomas il.tho...@iinet.net.au wrote: Greg, Greg – I put it down to the UIX guru / fiend that obviously exerted great influence over the PMs and higher-ups in Microsoft. I can’t stand Office 2013 – I appreciate some features, but find some of the behaviours and the UI itself just counter-productive (ie, anti my productivity). I don’t think I am resistant to change. I removed it, in favour of Office 2010 (incidentally, I never used Office2007 and took to the ribbon OK). There is another VS2012 hack that I omitted – NiceVS. It overlaps with one of the other hacks that I listed. NiceVS http://visualstudiogallery.msdn.microsoft.com/a36021f0-770a-4258-854e-724e9d12b8a6 I hate to have to do these things. _ Ian Thomas Victoria Park, Western Australia From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Greg Keogh Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2013 9:30 AM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: VS2012 hacks Ian (et al), I have also taken a lot of steps recently to restore old colours and behaviour to recent Microsoft product releases. I don't normally do that. We all expect complaints when new versions of products are released, but in my experience the noise quickly drops away and people just accept the changes and run with them. However, the amount of stubborn resistance recently has been quite startling. Why is this happening? Microsoft is dragging us all along with it on some sort of global style change where there is less chrome, fewer borders, less saturated colour, fewer lines, etc. Now I can honestly understand this because the eye and brain work better with less clutter, but it all seems to have gone too far (remember the first preview of Visual Studio 2012 that looked like a charcoal etching?). Is there some department or research within Microsoft that is driving this trend? Do they explain their reasoning? Where did they recruit the drugged gibbons they put through the usability testing? And then there's Windows 8 ... Greg -- Meski http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure, you'll get it, but it's going to be rough - Adam Hills -- Meski http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure, you'll get it, but it's going to be rough - Adam Hills
Re: VS2012 hacks
*I* have to smile at HP releasing Slate with either Android or Windows8 on it. (disclaimer, yes, I work for HP, and this isn't an official HP opinion, but a personal one) Mike On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 2:09 PM, Ian Thomas il.tho...@iinet.net.au wrote: It’s Greek to me J - but was Scott subconsciously associating designs (skeumorphs) with stock keeping units (SKUs)? But aren’t all Apple designs perfect? I have to smile at the grudging praise of Microsoft Surface (the hardware) by the Apple fanbois. -- **Ian Thomas** Victoria Park, Western Australia ** ** *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *mike smith *Sent:* Friday, June 21, 2013 9:33 AM *To:* ozDotNet *Subject:* Re: VS2012 hacks ** ** Nice quote. Google says it's *skeuomorphism *though. (what kind of language puts euo in that order???) ** ** Mike On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 7:45 PM, Scott Barnes scott.bar...@gmail.com wrote: iOS7 is what happeneded the night of Steve Jobs funeral as they all sat in a bar listening to Whitesnake (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOJk0HW_hJw) doing lines of cocaine and suddenly reliving your 80's and after then upgrading your digital skuemorphism to the next circle of design hell ... 80's iOS ..it's the mullet Steve would have wanted. --- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.riagenic.com ** ** On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 12:29 PM, mike smith meski...@gmail.com wrote:** ** I don't get Apple design. How could the designers of OSX have come up with a dog like iOS? ** ** Mike ** ** On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 10:07 PM, Scott Barnes scott.bar...@gmail.com wrote: VS2012 design could have been worse.. Apple could have designed it :) ** ** http://d3j5vwomefv46c.cloudfront.net/photos/large/780667831.jpg?1371031013 ** ** --- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.riagenic.com ** ** On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 3:29 PM, Ian Thomas il.tho...@iinet.net.au wrote: Greg, Greg – I put it down to the UIX guru / fiend that obviously exerted great influence over the PMs and higher-ups in Microsoft. I can’t stand Office 2013 – I appreciate some features, but find some of the behaviours and the UI itself just counter-productive (ie, anti my productivity). I don’t think I am resistant to change. I removed it, in favour of Office 2010 (incidentally, I never used Office2007 and took to the ribbon OK). There is another VS2012 hack that I omitted – NiceVS. It overlaps with one of the other hacks that I listed. NiceVS http://visualstudiogallery.msdn.microsoft.com/a36021f0-770a-4258-854e-724e9d12b8a6 I hate to have to do these things. -- Ian Thomas Victoria Park, Western Australia *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Greg Keogh *Sent:* Saturday, June 15, 2013 9:30 AM *To:* ozDotNet *Subject:* Re: VS2012 hacks Ian (et al), I have also taken a lot of steps recently to restore old colours and behaviour to recent Microsoft product releases. I don't normally do that. We all expect complaints when new versions of products are released, but in my experience the noise quickly drops away and people just accept the changes and run with them. However, the amount of stubborn resistance recently has been quite startling. Why is this happening? Microsoft is dragging us all along with it on some sort of global style change where there is less chrome, fewer borders, less saturated colour, fewer lines, etc. Now I can honestly understand this because the eye and brain work better with less clutter, but it all seems to have gone too far (remember the first preview of Visual Studio 2012 that looked like a charcoal etching?). Is there some department or research within Microsoft that is driving this trend? Do they explain their reasoning? Where did they recruit the drugged gibbons they put through the usability testing? And then there's Windows 8 ... Greg ** ** ** ** -- Meski http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure, you'll get it, but it's going to be rough - Adam Hills ** ** ** ** -- Meski http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure, you'll get it, but it's going to be rough - Adam Hills -- Meski http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure, you'll get it, but it's going to be rough - Adam Hills
RE: VS2012 hacks
Yes, I was going to raise that with you off-list Mike. The ones I know of are the (Android) Slate 7 range and the ElitePad 800 and 900 (Win8 and Win8Pro) – quite a different price bracket, though. I didn’t know there was a Windows8 Slate (WinRT ?). _ Ian Thomas Victoria Park, Western Australia From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of mike smith Sent: Friday, June 21, 2013 12:13 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: VS2012 hacks *I* have to smile at HP releasing Slate with either Android or Windows8 on it. (disclaimer, yes, I work for HP, and this isn't an official HP opinion, but a personal one) Mike On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 2:09 PM, Ian Thomas il.tho...@iinet.net.au wrote: It’s Greek to me J - but was Scott subconsciously associating designs (skeumorphs) with stock keeping units (SKUs)? But aren’t all Apple designs perfect? I have to smile at the grudging praise of Microsoft Surface (the hardware) by the Apple fanbois. _ Ian Thomas Victoria Park, Western Australia From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of mike smith Sent: Friday, June 21, 2013 9:33 AM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: VS2012 hacks Nice quote. Google says it's skeuomorphism though. (what kind of language puts euo in that order???) Mike On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 7:45 PM, Scott Barnes scott.bar...@gmail.com wrote: iOS7 is what happeneded the night of Steve Jobs funeral as they all sat in a bar listening to Whitesnake (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOJk0HW_hJw) doing lines of cocaine and suddenly reliving your 80's and after then upgrading your digital skuemorphism to the next circle of design hell ... 80's iOS ..it's the mullet Steve would have wanted. --- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.riagenic.com On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 12:29 PM, mike smith meski...@gmail.com wrote: I don't get Apple design. How could the designers of OSX have come up with a dog like iOS? Mike On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 10:07 PM, Scott Barnes scott.bar...@gmail.com wrote: VS2012 design could have been worse.. Apple could have designed it :) http://d3j5vwomefv46c.cloudfront.net/photos/large/780667831.jpg?1371031013 --- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.riagenic.com On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 3:29 PM, Ian Thomas il.tho...@iinet.net.au wrote: Greg, Greg – I put it down to the UIX guru / fiend that obviously exerted great influence over the PMs and higher-ups in Microsoft. I can’t stand Office 2013 – I appreciate some features, but find some of the behaviours and the UI itself just counter-productive (ie, anti my productivity). I don’t think I am resistant to change. I removed it, in favour of Office 2010 (incidentally, I never used Office2007 and took to the ribbon OK). There is another VS2012 hack that I omitted – NiceVS. It overlaps with one of the other hacks that I listed. NiceVS http://visualstudiogallery.msdn.microsoft.com/a36021f0-770a-4258-854e-724e9d12b8a6 I hate to have to do these things. _ Ian Thomas Victoria Park, Western Australia From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Greg Keogh Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2013 9:30 AM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: VS2012 hacks Ian (et al), I have also taken a lot of steps recently to restore old colours and behaviour to recent Microsoft product releases. I don't normally do that. We all expect complaints when new versions of products are released, but in my experience the noise quickly drops away and people just accept the changes and run with them. However, the amount of stubborn resistance recently has been quite startling. Why is this happening? Microsoft is dragging us all along with it on some sort of global style change where there is less chrome, fewer borders, less saturated colour, fewer lines, etc. Now I can honestly understand this because the eye and brain work better with less clutter, but it all seems to have gone too far (remember the first preview of Visual Studio 2012 that looked like a charcoal etching?). Is there some department or research within Microsoft that is driving this trend? Do they explain their reasoning? Where did they recruit the drugged gibbons they put through the usability testing? And then there's Windows 8 ... Greg -- Meski http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure, you'll get it, but it's going to be rough - Adam Hills -- Meski http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure, you'll get it, but it's going to be rough - Adam Hills -- Meski http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure, you'll get it, but it's going to be
