RE: [OT] Facebook advertising
How is this corrupt, or greedy? How is this invasive? Certainly, it's opportunist - but that's most of the free market. It's people developing new products and services and trying to sell them to you, and marketing/advertising is how they get it to you. If they can do that cheaper/better, then that'll be reflected in the cost of the product. You seem quite happy to use Facebook's services, but not happy at the way they are funding the services they deliver to you. The alternative is that Facebook (or whatever site you're using) is going to have to develop an alternate business model, or you just don't use Facebook. Just like everything else in the market place. Cheers Ken From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Greg Keogh Sent: Sunday, 1 December 2013 2:21 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: [OT] Facebook advertising No, it's a security and privacy issue. I refuse to change the way I think about something corrupt, greedy, invasive and opportunist, and so should you. On 1 December 2013 10:57, Stephen Price step...@perthprojects.commailto:step...@perthprojects.com wrote: Its called targeted advertising. If you don't want to see ads, the use an ad blocker, or don't use the internet. If you don't want them tracking you then don't use search engines. Or don't use the internet. Personally, I want things. If there is something cool out there that I want to buy and i'm happy to give them my money for it, but I don't know it exists, then I want them to tell me about it. That's targeted advertising that I want. If I see an ad for something that i don't want, then they have missed their mark. Advertising is a fine balance between hitting and missing that mark. Blanket advertising is easier and cheaper but more likely to annoy. Targeted advertising that is accurate is more expensive but if accurate enough, then untrusting people will get annoyed. I assert your relationship to money is your problem here. How you think about money and how untrusting you are that people are trying to take your money off you has you feel this way. If you thought there was an abundance of money then why would you care if someone was trying to take your money? On the other hand if you live your life as if there is a shortage of money and you have to protect what you have at all costs, then these ads will look very suspicious to you. Remember money does not exist in the real world. Its a conversation constructed by humans. Do you think your cat gives a flying damn about how much money you have? Do you think your cat gets annoyed at the advertising on your TV? If you don't like something, change it. If you can't change it then change how you think of it. Or get off the internet. ;)
Re: [OT] Facebook advertising
Ken, you may have got a whiff of a hint that I don't like advertising, no matter where or why it's in front of me, or what deal put it there. I find targeted advertising particularly frightening and objectionable, it's a kind of perversion of technology. I have no sympathy for advertisers. The world's arteries are so clogged with advertising that no wonder there is a new syndrome called Ad Blindness. And I'm not happy to use Facebook's services. Facebook is so objectionable that I would cancel it in a blink, *except* ... a few music groups I participate in have groups for important announcements, so I'm trapped in the hell hole -- Greg K
RE: [OT] Facebook advertising
There are other words you could use to describe someone who wants everything for free and won't pay (or expect others to pay) for what they use. Not wanting this to degenerate into name calling, and everyone are different. Its not wrong to want a good deal, and everyone loves freebies just the same as its not wrong to run a successful business. How is running a business writing software that you charge people directly to use any different to writing a free app, that hooks into banner ads any different? Personally, I know how much effort and time goes into writing software. I buy the tools and software that I use, as I factor in how long it would take me to write something. Even Microsoft's msdn is good value at thousands. I could never write visual studio (or windows, or blend, or office) in a month. Same thing for the many online services that I use. A couple of ads on the page seems like a bargain. If I want privacy then I turn off the TV, turn off the computer. My house has locks on the door and I can turn off my mobile phone (and no landline anymore). I choose how private I want things to be... Interesting thread... On Dec 2, 2013 7:41 AM, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.com wrote: How is this “corrupt”, or “greedy”? How is this “invasive”? Certainly, it’s opportunist – but that’s most of the free market. It’s people developing new products and services and trying to sell them to you, and marketing/advertising is how they get it to you. If they can do that cheaper/better, then that’ll be reflected in the cost of the product. You seem quite happy to use Facebook’s services, but not happy at the way they are funding the services they deliver to you. The alternative is that Facebook (or whatever site you’re using) is going to have to develop an alternate business model, or you just don’t use Facebook. Just like everything else in the market place. Cheers Ken *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Greg Keogh *Sent:* Sunday, 1 December 2013 2:21 PM *To:* ozDotNet *Subject:* Re: [OT] Facebook advertising No, it's a security and privacy issue. I refuse to change the way I think about something corrupt, greedy, invasive and opportunist, and so should you. On 1 December 2013 10:57, Stephen Price step...@perthprojects.com wrote: Its called targeted advertising. If you don't want to see ads, the use an ad blocker, or don't use the internet. If you don't want them tracking you then don't use search engines. Or don't use the internet. Personally, I want things. If there is something cool out there that I want to buy and i'm happy to give them my money for it, but I don't know it exists, then I want them to tell me about it. That's targeted advertising that I want. If I see an ad for something that i don't want, then they have missed their mark. Advertising is a fine balance between hitting and missing that mark. Blanket advertising is easier and cheaper but more likely to annoy. Targeted advertising that is accurate is more expensive but if accurate enough, then untrusting people will get annoyed. I assert your relationship to money is your problem here. How you think about money and how untrusting you are that people are trying to take your money off you has you feel this way. If you thought there was an abundance of money then why would you care if someone was trying to take your money? On the other hand if you live your life as if there is a shortage of money and you have to protect what you have at all costs, then these ads will look very suspicious to you. Remember money does not exist in the real world. Its a conversation constructed by humans. Do you think your cat gives a flying damn about how much money you have? Do you think your cat gets annoyed at the advertising on your TV? If you don't like something, change it. If you can't change it then change how you think of it. Or get off the internet. ;)
RE: [OT] Facebook advertising
Advertising doesn't exist in a vacuum - it exists (like every other good and service) because people think it's worth paying for - unfortunate as that may be. Watching Gruen Transfer/Gruen World is enlightening for those outside the marketing/advertising world. But personal dislike doesn't make something corrupt: https://www.google.com.au/search?q=define:corrupt etc. A lot of people dislike dealing with IT folks, or paying for technology too. Doesn't make us all greedy, invasive, corrupt, etc. Cheers Ken From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Greg Keogh Sent: Monday, 2 December 2013 11:08 AM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: [OT] Facebook advertising Ken, you may have got a whiff of a hint that I don't like advertising, no matter where or why it's in front of me, or what deal put it there. I find targeted advertising particularly frightening and objectionable, it's a kind of perversion of technology. I have no sympathy for advertisers. The world's arteries are so clogged with advertising that no wonder there is a new syndrome called Ad Blindness. And I'm not happy to use Facebook's services. Facebook is so objectionable that I would cancel it in a blink, *except* ... a few music groups I participate in have groups for important announcements, so I'm trapped in the hell hole -- Greg K
Re: [OT] Facebook advertising
On 2 December 2013 10:16, Stephen Price step...@perthprojects.com wrote: There are other words you could use to describe someone who wants everything for free and won't pay (or expect others to pay) for what they use. Not wanting this to degenerate into name calling, and everyone are different. Its not wrong to want a good deal, and everyone loves freebies just the same as its not wrong to run a successful business. How is running a business writing software that you charge people directly to use any different to writing a free app, that hooks into banner ads any different? +1 I don't mind Google's ads at all plus they are useful. Given the choice between targetted ads and non-targetted ads, I'll take the former every time thanks. I cannot stand ads on TV (and don't watch free-to-air as a result) because they are irrelevant and just indiscriminately push shit-for-bogans stuff. Same as all those One weird trick to X ads that are not targetted (read this - http://www.slate.com/articles/business/moneybox/2013/07/how_one_weird_trick_conquered_the_internet_what_happens_when_you_click_on.single.html - bloody interesting). David.
Re: [OT] Facebook advertising
There's a little cross in the top left hand of each of the Facebook ads. It doesn't stop the ads, you just get different ones, but it's fun to say you don't want an advert for Christmas Cake because it's sexually explicit, or flowers because you find it offensive :-) On 2 December 2013 10:37, Greg Keogh g...@mira.net wrote: Ken, you may have got a whiff of a hint that I don't like advertising, no matter where or why it's in front of me, or what deal put it there. I find targeted advertising particularly frightening and objectionable, it's a kind of perversion of technology. I have no sympathy for advertisers. The world's arteries are so clogged with advertising that no wonder there is a new syndrome called Ad Blindness. And I'm not happy to use Facebook's services. Facebook is so objectionable that I would cancel it in a blink, *except* ... a few music groups I participate in have groups for important announcements, so I'm trapped in the hell hole -- Greg K
Re: [OT] Facebook advertising
Greg, Take a look at http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/lightbeam/ - spend a busy day with that turned on. From: g...@mira.netmailto:g...@mira.net g...@mira.netmailto:g...@mira.net Reply-To: ozDotNet ozdotnet@ozdotnet.commailto:ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com Date: Sunday, 1 December 2013 10:06 am To: ozDotNet ozdotnet@ozdotnet.commailto:ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com Subject: [OT] Facebook advertising Hmmm! I just went into Facebook for the first time in a couple of weeks and I happened to notice an Ad at the top right for a DNS service. Now isn't that suspicious, as I just happened to mention this topic in the group last week and I've sent a few emails on the subject. Where did it get the data to make the association, from my Gmail, from forum posts, or where? I don't know why more people are scared out of their pants by things like this -- Greg K
Re: [OT] Facebook advertising
I think the raw nerve that is struck with a lot of people (perhaps Greg, perhaps not) is that there is an underlaying fear of manipulation, or domination. These advertisers are hooking into your psyche, manipulating you, often without you realising it. Psychology is an amazing thing because we behave in certain ways and when someone uses that knowledge to make you do something for their possible gain you feel violated. Natural feeling, but we are intelligent people. We know they are doing it. There are things you can do to avoid it. One of the driving forces of humans is survival. We are here because it works. It's not evil. It just works. Making money is the new age form of survival. It's not evil. It works. Back in the caveman days these money making skills would have not worked, they would have been meaningless. I'd be interested in understanding more about why Greg (or others) dislike advertising so much. For me, its the time used looking at it. I tried watching a movie on free to air last year (it was back to the future). The movie is 116 minutes long. With the advertising I think the movie was more than 2 hours. I didn't even make it to the end of the movie as each ad break was about 10 minutes long... We have less patience these days as everything is on demand. So if the ad does not take my time, I do not care. If its targetted, then I prefer it. (I do buy stuff so want to know about new things). I look at the ad, decide if its something i'm interested in and if not I move on. These youtube ads that make you wait to watch the video clip annoy me as I can not choose when to move on if I have decided I'm not interested. On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 8:25 AM, David Connors da...@connors.com wrote: On 2 December 2013 10:16, Stephen Price step...@perthprojects.com wrote: There are other words you could use to describe someone who wants everything for free and won't pay (or expect others to pay) for what they use. Not wanting this to degenerate into name calling, and everyone are different. Its not wrong to want a good deal, and everyone loves freebies just the same as its not wrong to run a successful business. How is running a business writing software that you charge people directly to use any different to writing a free app, that hooks into banner ads any different? +1 I don't mind Google's ads at all plus they are useful. Given the choice between targetted ads and non-targetted ads, I'll take the former every time thanks. I cannot stand ads on TV (and don't watch free-to-air as a result) because they are irrelevant and just indiscriminately push shit-for-bogans stuff. Same as all those One weird trick to X ads that are not targetted (read this - http://www.slate.com/articles/business/moneybox/2013/07/how_one_weird_trick_conquered_the_internet_what_happens_when_you_click_on.single.html - bloody interesting). David.
Re: [OT] Email forwarding
+1 to AWS Route 53. Gives us everything we need, and very cheap. On 29 November 2013 13:07, Greg Keogh g...@mira.net wrote: Thanks chaps for plenty of ideas to investigate. I just received a reply from IntaServe who have hosted our domain names (not DNS records) for several years, they offered me a cPanel facility where I can manage my DNS records if I move over to them. The whole deal is a bit confusing so I might ring them. It would be nice to have *everything* in one place. Greg K On 29 November 2013 11:05, Andrew McGrath andrew.mcgr...@workslink.com.au wrote: xname.org is free (donations accepted too) - have been using them for years for many domains without any issues. Andrew -- *From*: Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.com *Sent*: Friday, November 29, 2013 9:48 AM *To*: ozDotNet ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com *Subject*: RE: [OT] Email forwarding GoDaddy provide free DNS hosting for domains registered with them ZoneEdit is another provider I use (but only for a couple of domains) Cheers Ken *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Greg Keogh *Sent:* Friday, 29 November 2013 10:22 AM *To:* ozDotNet *Subject:* [OT] Email forwarding Hello Friday Folks, For more than 10 years I've had some DNS records maintained by DynDns. Some are free and some are $30/year because they later removed the free service. I just received an email from their sales to tell me that if I want MX wildcard forwarding of email from my five domains it will cost $49.95 per domain per year. Pardon me, but isn't that a lot for such a piddling little facility?! Is anyone here using someone else for DNS that has a better and more reasonable deal? Searches reveal some companies that do hosting and forwarding for free (like https://www.namecheap.com/https://www.namecheap.com/support/knowledgebase/article.aspx/546), but I find that hard to believe and would rather stick to someone reputable for a modest cost. Greg K
Re: [OT] Facebook advertising
Adsense is Google's product for the phenomena. On this page in gmail, I see ads for Social Media Metrics, Restaurants in Melbourne (one of you guys) Low home rate loans, painter quotes, Debt consolidation, Tafe courses. Ghostery would let me turn it off, but it's ordinary text, not graphics, and to be frank, doesn't annoy me. On Sun, Dec 1, 2013 at 10:32 AM, Paul Evrat p...@paulevrat.com wrote: A social media advertising person explained that to me recently. Search for something on google or go to a website and the ads for matching products follow you around. There's a name for it that I have forgotten .. Original message From: Greg Keogh g...@mira.net Date: To: ozDotNet ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com Subject: [OT] Facebook advertising Hmmm! I just went into Facebook for the first time in a couple of weeks and I happened to notice an Ad at the top right for a DNS service. Now isn't that suspicious, as I just happened to mention this topic in the group last week and I've sent a few emails on the subject. Where did it get the data to make the association, from my Gmail, from forum posts, or where? I don't know why more people are scared out of their pants by things like this -- Greg K -- Meski http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure, you'll get it, but it's going to be rough - Adam Hills
Re: [OT] Facebook advertising
On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 11:16 AM, Stephen Price step...@perthprojects.comwrote: There are other words you could use to describe someone who wants everything for free and won't pay (or expect others to pay) for what they use. I'll gladly put up with the ads rather than pay, say, $20 a month for google. OTOH, sometimes I'm willing to pay for a site, and that turns the ads off and gives extra features. (but I'm not willing to enrich Murloch by doing this) -- Meski http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure, you'll get it, but it's going to be rough - Adam Hills
RE: [OT] Facebook advertising
The Targeted Advertising under discussion is much more than just Adsense. Adsense is part of it but ‘old hat’ in terms of the links between Google, Facebook, Youtube, and the advertising networks that cause ads to keep reappearing if you every searched for something or went to a website using the networks .. From: mike smith [mailto:meski...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, 2 December 2013 1:54 PM To: Paul Evrat; ozDotNet Subject: Re: [OT] Facebook advertising Adsense is Google's product for the phenomena. On this page in gmail, I see ads for Social Media Metrics, Restaurants in Melbourne (one of you guys) Low home rate loans, painter quotes, Debt consolidation, Tafe courses. Ghostery would let me turn it off, but it's ordinary text, not graphics, and to be frank, doesn't annoy me. On Sun, Dec 1, 2013 at 10:32 AM, Paul Evrat p...@paulevrat.com wrote: A social media advertising person explained that to me recently. Search for something on google or go to a website and the ads for matching products follow you around. There's a name for it that I have forgotten .. Original message From: Greg Keogh g...@mira.net Date: To: ozDotNet ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com Subject: [OT] Facebook advertising Hmmm! I just went into Facebook for the first time in a couple of weeks and I happened to notice an Ad at the top right for a DNS service. Now isn't that suspicious, as I just happened to mention this topic in the group last week and I've sent a few emails on the subject. Where did it get the data to make the association, from my Gmail, from forum posts, or where? I don't know why more people are scared out of their pants by things like this -- Greg K -- Meski http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure, you'll get it, but it's going to be rough - Adam Hills No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4259 / Virus Database: 3629/6883 - Release Date: 12/01/13
Re: [OT] Email forwarding
+1 to AWS Route 53. Gives us everything we need, and very cheap. Thanks, this is now looking quite attractive, as I'm running an AWS server and I just noticed I get Route 53 as part of the account -- Greg
Re: [OT] Facebook advertising
Has this any chance of attracting enough people to survive? *Encrypted social network vies for disgruntled WhatsApp, Facebook users http://www.arnnet.com.au/article/533140/encrypted_social_network_vies_disgruntled_whatsapp_facebook_users/?utm_medium=newslettereid=-4152utm_source=daily-pm-editionuid=8071* (link http://bit.ly/1ja0ltB) Ironically, when I go there I get a huge popup Ad in the middle of the screen that I have to dismiss. A encrypted social networking site, it's a great idea, but it's too late -- Greg
Re: [OT] Facebook advertising
Adsense is Google's product for the phenomena. On this page in gmail, I see ads for Social Media Metrics, Restaurants in Melbourne (one of you guys) Low home rate loans, painter quotes, Debt consolidation, Tafe courses. In Facebrick I keep seeing pulsating bloated cartoon tummies on the top right and Miracle Diet and Lose Weight Now, so is it telling me something?! -- Greg
Re: [OT] Facebook advertising
Slightly different topic but just remembered something interesting. We offer app for our product on all major phone environments for free (we provide a meta-search engine and get paid for customers sent downstream). People complained alot less and were actually much more likely to purchase as soon as we released ads onto our apps as previously they had assumed we were making money adding extra onto their purchase amount and didn't believe our 'we are free' messaging. Anyway I digress. On 2 December 2013 17:37, Greg Keogh g...@mira.net wrote: Has this any chance of attracting enough people to survive? *Encrypted social network vies for disgruntled WhatsApp, Facebook users http://www.arnnet.com.au/article/533140/encrypted_social_network_vies_disgruntled_whatsapp_facebook_users/?utm_medium=newslettereid=-4152utm_source=daily-pm-editionuid=8071* (link http://bit.ly/1ja0ltB) Ironically, when I go there I get a huge popup Ad in the middle of the screen that I have to dismiss. A encrypted social networking site, it's a great idea, but it's too late -- Greg
Re: [OT] Facebook advertising
Must be. I've never seen that ad. Bwahahhahaha ;) On 02/12/2013 12:39 pm, Greg Keogh g...@mira.net wrote: Adsense is Google's product for the phenomena. On this page in gmail, I see ads for Social Media Metrics, Restaurants in Melbourne (one of you guys) Low home rate loans, painter quotes, Debt consolidation, Tafe courses. In Facebrick I keep seeing pulsating bloated cartoon tummies on the top right and Miracle Diet and Lose Weight Now, so is it telling me something?! -- Greg
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Ironically, when I go there I get a huge popup Ad in the middle of the screen that I have to dismiss. Greg, maybe that's ARN (IDG Communications) , if you're referring to what happens when you follow my link. As to what is actually at Syme, I have no idea. Did you try to connect to the site? But as a Melbourne-ite I thought you might wonder (as I do) about the origin of the name for this encrypted site: Syme - I immediately thought of David Syme, one-time editor / founder of The Age, etc (not sure exactly of his role). _ Ian Thomas Victoria Park, Western Australia From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Greg Keogh Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 12:37 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: [OT] Facebook advertising Has this any chance of attracting enough people to survive? http://www.arnnet.com.au/article/533140/encrypted_social_network_vies_disgr untled_whatsapp_facebook_users/?utm_medium=newslettereid=-4152utm_source=d aily-pm-editionuid=8071 Encrypted social network vies for disgruntled WhatsApp, Facebook users (link http://bit.ly/1ja0ltB ) Ironically, when I go there I get a huge popup Ad in the middle of the screen that I have to dismiss. A encrypted social networking site, it's a great idea, but it's too late -- Greg
[OT] Syme
I followed the link in the ARN article https://getsyme.com/ , and interestingly it's available only if you're using a Chrome browser! Will you release Syme on other platforms? Syme will soon be available on Firefox and Safari in addition to Chrome. We will look into building mobile and desktop apps in the near future. Why the name? Syme is the name of a character from George Orwell's Nineteen Eighty-Four. Syme was vaporized by the Party because he remained a freethinking intellectual. Who's working on this? Syme's founders are Louis http://twitter.com/louismullie , Jon http://twitter.com/jonhershon and Chris http://twitter.com/chris_marois . We're a three-person team based in Montreal, Canada. And they use twitter, facebook, etc to advertise their project. open source, code at github. _ Ian Thomas Victoria Park, Western Australia
Re: [OT] Facebook advertising
I'm glad the subject of 1984 finally came up in the context of advertising. When I read Orwell's book in early high school it had a deep and lasting influence over me. Even since I have been very sensitive to propaganda, double-speak, weasel words and varieties of fallacious argument techniques; and the primary sources of these things are politics and advertising. So for me: Assert.IsTrue(advertising == propaganda); Encrypted advertising?! Now there's a challenging idea. Ignorance is strength. Greg K
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Possibly. This KS project attracted over 200k just to clean up and open the Lavabit email system (encrypted, including the metadata so beloved of the NSA. http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/ladar/lavabits-dark-mail-initiative On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 3:24 PM, ILT (O) il.tho...@outlook.com wrote: Has this any chance of attracting enough people to survive? *Encrypted social network vies for disgruntled WhatsApp, Facebook users http://www.arnnet.com.au/article/533140/encrypted_social_network_vies_disgruntled_whatsapp_facebook_users/?utm_medium=newslettereid=-4152utm_source=daily-pm-editionuid=8071* (link http://bit.ly/1ja0ltB) -- Ian Thomas Victoria Park, Western Australia *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *mike smith *Sent:* Monday, December 02, 2013 11:59 AM *To:* ozDotNet *Subject:* Re: [OT] Facebook advertising On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 11:16 AM, Stephen Price step...@perthprojects.com wrote: There are other words you could use to describe someone who wants everything for free and won't pay (or expect others to pay) for what they use. I'll gladly put up with the ads rather than pay, say, $20 a month for google. OTOH, sometimes I'm willing to pay for a site, and that turns the ads off and gives extra features. (but I'm not willing to enrich Murloch by doing this) -- Meski http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure, you'll get it, but it's going to be rough - Adam Hills -- Meski http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure, you'll get it, but it's going to be rough - Adam Hills
Re: [OT] Facebook advertising
Probably not. Any more than the spam mail that advertises a well-known enhancement. On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 3:39 PM, Greg Keogh g...@mira.net wrote: Adsense is Google's product for the phenomena. On this page in gmail, I see ads for Social Media Metrics, Restaurants in Melbourne (one of you guys) Low home rate loans, painter quotes, Debt consolidation, Tafe courses. In Facebrick I keep seeing pulsating bloated cartoon tummies on the top right and Miracle Diet and Lose Weight Now, so is it telling me something?! -- Greg -- Meski http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure, you'll get it, but it's going to be rough - Adam Hills
Re: [OT] Facebook advertising
On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 4:32 PM, Greg Keogh g...@mira.net wrote: I'm glad the subject of 1984 finally came up in the context of advertising. When I read Orwell's book in early high school it had a deep and lasting influence over me. The experience of 'reading' books in school scarred me. I'd be finished with it in a day or so, and weeks on, the class would still be dissecting it. Even since I have been very sensitive to propaganda, double-speak, weasel words and varieties of fallacious argument techniques; and the primary sources of these things are politics and advertising. So for me: Assert.IsTrue(advertising == propaganda); Yes, mostly. Adsense is like the 'classifieds' of advertising - brief and succinct. TV ads, OTOH, are pushing a lot more at you, potentially without you being aware of it. Encrypted advertising?! Now there's a challenging idea. Ignorance is strength. 10 + 10 = 100 (1984 would say 101) -- Meski http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure, you'll get it, but it's going to be rough - Adam Hills
Re: [OT] Facebook advertising
Has anyone read 'the circle' yet by David Eggers...seems relevant. Amazon suggested it to me ;-) On Dec 2, 2013 3:32 PM, Greg Keogh g...@mira.net wrote: I'm glad the subject of 1984 finally came up in the context of advertising. When I read Orwell's book in early high school it had a deep and lasting influence over me. Even since I have been very sensitive to propaganda, double-speak, weasel words and varieties of fallacious argument techniques; and the primary sources of these things are politics and advertising. So for me: Assert.IsTrue(advertising == propaganda); Encrypted advertising?! Now there's a challenging idea. Ignorance is strength. Greg K
Re: [OT] Facebook advertising
+1 for reading list. It does look rather like a certain company with 2 circles in its name. Amazon's been suggesting scrum books of late to me, before that it was hacking techniques. (move along, nothing to see here) On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 4:55 PM, Joseph Cooney joseph.coo...@gmail.comwrote: Has anyone read 'the circle' yet by David Eggers...seems relevant. Amazon suggested it to me ;-) On Dec 2, 2013 3:32 PM, Greg Keogh g...@mira.net wrote: I'm glad the subject of 1984 finally came up in the context of advertising. When I read Orwell's book in early high school it had a deep and lasting influence over me. Even since I have been very sensitive to propaganda, double-speak, weasel words and varieties of fallacious argument techniques; and the primary sources of these things are politics and advertising. So for me: Assert.IsTrue(advertising == propaganda); Encrypted advertising?! Now there's a challenging idea. Ignorance is strength. Greg K -- Meski http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure, you'll get it, but it's going to be rough - Adam Hills
Re: [OT] Facebook advertising
A side note... Never sharebypur Amazon account with your wife. I eventually had to rename my account, change the email address to my wife's and make myself a new one. The romance novel recommendations were unbearable. Lol Sure you can tell it not to use certain books for suggestions but I couldn't keep up! There's only so much time in a day and you can buy a lot of novels when they are between free and 99c!! On 02/12/2013 1:55 pm, Joseph Cooney joseph.coo...@gmail.com wrote: Has anyone read 'the circle' yet by David Eggers...seems relevant. Amazon suggested it to me ;-) On Dec 2, 2013 3:32 PM, Greg Keogh g...@mira.net wrote: I'm glad the subject of 1984 finally came up in the context of advertising. When I read Orwell's book in early high school it had a deep and lasting influence over me. Even since I have been very sensitive to propaganda, double-speak, weasel words and varieties of fallacious argument techniques; and the primary sources of these things are politics and advertising. So for me: Assert.IsTrue(advertising == propaganda); Encrypted advertising?! Now there's a challenging idea. Ignorance is strength. Greg K
