Re: [OT] Samsung U28D590D 4K Monitor

2014-06-13 Thread Stephen Price
To be honest, Windows still has a way to go before they have the scaling
issues sorted out. There's big push for more pixels per inch, which makes
the images look fantastic, but naturally this increases the resolution
which makes the default fonts smaller. The scaling can be done to
everything or selectively to whatever you like (titles, menus etc) but I've
never customised at the granular level. Also when you do select scale for
everything, there are some apps that don't scale. The worst thing I've seen
is dialog boxes (ie Installshield for example) where there are no resizing,
no scrollbars and the content of said nonresizable window is scales out of
view. Only way around that is to turn scaling back to 100%, log out, log
back in and rerun the installer. Not the best situation but you can work
around it. (why do we have to?).

Adobe products seem to all ignore scaling settings. It pretty much comes
down to the developer and how they implemented it, but I still think it's
Microsoft's job in this case to work out how to scale everything.
(Everything means everything, not most things...)

That said, a crisp font on a 4k monitor gives you goosebumps. It does me
anyway. :)

The down side, is when we have methods that can fit on the screen for
maintainability, the other developers without 4k monitors will have to
scroll lots. hehe. Bit like when people made the move from square to
widescreen monitors, or single to multiscreen setup. You wonder how you got
along without them.


On Fri, Jun 13, 2014 at 2:11 PM, Les Hughes l...@datarev.com.au wrote:

  On 13/06/14 11:34, Greg Keogh wrote:

Your Dell was no doubt an IPS panel (I don’t think they do TN panels),
 whereas the Samsung is a TN panel so that would make up a for quite a bit
 of the difference.


  Ah! I wasn't aware of the details of the difference, but a quick search
 hints that TN is usually faster but doesn't look good off-centre, and the
 IPS is slower but has better colours and more generous viewing angles. My
 Dell U2711 is IPS -- *Greg*


 How do people find the font sizes for programming/web surfing with such a
 high-resolution? I know you can make the editor fonts bigger, but what
 about menus/etc? How does Visual Studio look?

 Cheers,
 --
 Les Hughes
 l...@datarev.com.au



Re: [OT] Samsung U28D590D 4K Monitor

2014-06-13 Thread Greg Keogh

 How do people find the font sizes for programming/web surfing with such a
 high-resolution? I know you can make the editor fonts bigger, but what
 about menus/etc? How does Visual Studio look?


After getting my Dell I think I posted in here to remind people how
important it is to write apps that can zoom to suit your distance,
resolution and how tired your eyes are. I found some of my own desktop apps
looked like little ant farms on the Dell. Right then I decided that all
XAML based apps that I write would have at some zooming ability for all
major parts of the UI (and I have kept my promise). I usually put a small
slider at the bottom left of grids, dialogs, etc and bind FontSize to it,
so with one line you get free zooming.

All the major apps I use can (mostly) zoom, Visual Studio, IE, Office apps,
Notepad2, etc. I say mostly because many menus, toolbars, trees, etc
within these apps don't zoom. So the experience is inconsistent in Windows
and these apps, but it's just enough to satisfy me and I find I'm using the
Ctrl+Wheel unconsciously all day, especially in VS2013 on the Dell.

*Greg K*