Re: [OT] Anti-Virus replacement for AVG
Microsoft Security Essentials has an option to control how much CPU it uses during a scan - 50% is the default IIRR. I've used security essentials on several machines for the last 2 years and have never seen this problem. It could be some interaction between Thunderbird and Security Essentials. Joseph On Sat, Mar 19, 2011 at 4:15 PM, Unicorn.Consulting unicorn.consult...@gmail.com wrote: On 18/03/2011 9:03 AM, Chris Walsh wrote: Microsoft Security Essentials works fine. Like using 50% of processor when Thunderbird is open. YMMV, but I dumped this junk fast. Matt *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [ mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Greg Keogh *Sent:* Friday, 18 March 2011 9:29 AM *To:* 'ozDotNet' *Subject:* [OT] Anti-Virus replacement for AVG Folks, after much web browsing, discussion and head-scratching about a year ago I picked AVG free edition over the dozens of choices. It seemed to have a good reputation and it didn't seem too intrusive. Since then, one friend with AVG free has had a machine infected 3 times, another friend had 2 infections, and my wife's work machine got one hit. In most cases I could go into safe mode, disable the infection registry entries and then AVG would detect and clean the virus. One machine was so utterly screwed twice that it had to be formatted each time. In all cases AVG was disabled or deleted by the infection. AVG seems to be worse than useless, so I'm wondering what AV product people here recommend for home PC use and satisfies the following specs: 1. It actually stops viruses (no kidding?!?) 2. It's not too intrusive in the UI (banners, popups, tray icons, context menus, etc) 3. It doesn't have side-effects (degrades performance, conflicts with other apps, etc) I reckon that asking for all of these things together is too much, but I might find a compromise. Cheers, Greg -- “Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.” Benjamin Franklin -- w: http://jcooney.net t: @josephcooney
Re: [OT] Anti-Virus replacement for AVG
On 18/03/2011 9:03 AM, Chris Walsh wrote: Microsoft Security Essentials works fine. Like using 50% of processor when Thunderbird is open. YMMV, but I dumped this junk fast. Matt *From:*ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Greg Keogh *Sent:* Friday, 18 March 2011 9:29 AM *To:* 'ozDotNet' *Subject:* [OT] Anti-Virus replacement for AVG Folks, after much web browsing, discussion and head-scratching about a year ago I picked AVG free edition over the dozens of choices. It seemed to have a good reputation and it didn't seem too intrusive. Since then, one friend with AVG free has had a machine infected 3 times, another friend had 2 infections, and my wife's work machine got one hit. In most cases I could go into safe mode, disable the infection registry entries and then AVG would detect and clean the virus. One machine was so utterly screwed twice that it had to be formatted each time. In all cases AVG was disabled or deleted by the infection. AVG seems to be worse than useless, so I'm wondering what AV product people here recommend for home PC use and satisfies the following specs: 1. It actually stops viruses (no kidding?!?) 2. It's not too intrusive in the UI (banners, popups, tray icons, context menus, etc) 3. It doesn't have side-effects (degrades performance, conflicts with other apps, etc) I reckon that asking for all of these things together is too much, but I might find a compromise. Cheers, Greg -- Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. Benjamin Franklin smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
RE: [OT] Anti-Virus replacement for AVG
Folks, this morning I cleaned a friend's Windows XP machine that had slowly crumbled into chaos. When I manually removed a crippling virus from this machine 6 months ago I told the technically incompetent owner to NEVER install any software unless she is ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN that it's needed, and I warned her to look for sneaky options to include toolbars and other offers. So I find Zone Alarm running and popping up pleading to buy it, there are two toolbars, some registry cleaner, Google updaters, Java updaters, IncrediGames, kitten wallpapers and weird startup items in the registry pointing to missing files. I clean all this up and find that AVG will not uninstall because of missing files (probably deleted by a virus), so I have to download and install AVG 10 again (120MB!!) and then uninstall it. I install Security Essentials and it finds and deletes two infections during its first quick scan. So I'm quite impressed by that. The UI is unobtrusive and it shows nothing in procexp or autoruns, which makes me happy and suspicious at the same time: how can such a powerful tool not appear in processes or startups? I believe it's something to do with a filter manager because I had to install KB914882 on my wife's machine before Security Essentials would install (hmmm... see HERE http://support.microsoft.com/kb/914882 ). Perhaps this is a case of how the OS manufacturer's inside knowledge is advantageous. Greg
Re: [OT] Anti-Virus replacement for AVG
This is why I use vipre, it was one of the 1st to support Win7 and it is low impact. Bill Chesnut BizTalk Server MVP Melbourne, Australia _ From: Unicorn.Consulting [mailto:unicorn.consult...@gmail.com] To: ozDotNet [mailto:ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com] Sent: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 17:15:03 +1100 Subject: Re: [OT] Anti-Virus replacement for AVG On 18/03/2011 9:03 AM, Chris Walsh wrote: Microsoft Security Essentials works fine.Like using 50% of processor when Thunderbird is open. YMMV, but I dumped this junk fast. Matt From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Greg Keogh Sent: Friday, 18 March 2011 9:29 AM To: 'ozDotNet' Subject: [OT] Anti-Virus replacement for AVG Folks, after much web browsing, discussion and head-scratching about a year ago I picked AVG free edition over the dozens of choices. It seemed to have a good reputation and it didn't seem too intrusive. Since then, one friend with AVG free has had a machine infected 3 times, another friend had 2 infections, and my wife's work machine got one hit. In most cases I could go into safe mode, disable the infection registry entries and then AVG would detect and clean the virus. One machine was so utterly screwed twice that it had to be formatted each time. In all cases AVG was disabled or deleted by the infection. AVG seems to be worse than useless, so I'm wondering what AV product people here recommend for home PC use and satisfies the following specs: 1. It actually stops viruses (no kidding?!?) 2. It's not too intrusive in the UI (banners, popups, tray icons, context menus, etc) 3. It doesn't have side-effects (degrades performance, conflicts with other apps, etc) I reckon that asking for all of these things together is too much, but I might find a compromise. Cheers, Greg --“Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.” Benjamin Franklin
RE: [OT] Anti-Virus replacement for AVG
I've removed AVG Free 2011 from one machine and replaced it with Microsoft Security Essentials, and will give it a fair trial. So far I'm impressed with its politeness. I'm disappointed that Windows Update classes its MSE Update as Optional (one of 36, the others all language options) as the way I read its blurb, the Updates should occur transparently (and I would class anti-malware as more than an Optional update). _ Ian Thomas Victoria Park, Western Australia _ From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Greg Keogh Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2011 2:43 PM To: 'ozDotNet' Subject: RE: [OT] Anti-Virus replacement for AVG Folks, this morning I cleaned a friend's Windows XP machine that had slowly crumbled into chaos. When I manually removed a crippling virus from this machine 6 months ago I told the technically incompetent owner to NEVER install any software unless she is ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN that it's needed, and I warned her to look for sneaky options to include toolbars and other offers. So I find Zone Alarm running and popping up pleading to buy it, there are two toolbars, some registry cleaner, Google updaters, Java updaters, IncrediGames, kitten wallpapers and weird startup items in the registry pointing to missing files. I clean all this up and find that AVG will not uninstall because of missing files (probably deleted by a virus), so I have to download and install AVG 10 again (120MB!!) and then uninstall it. I install Security Essentials and it finds and deletes two infections during its first quick scan. So I'm quite impressed by that. The UI is unobtrusive and it shows nothing in procexp or autoruns, which makes me happy and suspicious at the same time: how can such a powerful tool not appear in processes or startups? I believe it's something to do with a filter manager because I had to install KB914882 on my wife's machine before Security Essentials would install (hmmm... see HERE http://support.microsoft.com/kb/914882 ). Perhaps this is a case of how the OS manufacturer's inside knowledge is advantageous. Greg
Re: [OT] Anti-Virus replacement for AVG
On 18/03/2011 8:59 AM, Greg Keogh wrote: Folks, after much web browsing, discussion and head-scratching about a year ago I picked AVG free edition over the dozens of choices. It seemed to have a good reputation and it didn't seem too intrusive. Since then, one friend with AVG free has had a machine infected 3 times, another friend had 2 infections, and my wife's work machine got one hit. In most cases I could go into safe mode, disable the infection registry entries and then AVG would detect and clean the virus. One machine was so utterly screwed twice that it had to be formatted each time. In all cases AVG was disabled or deleted by the infection. AVG seems to be worse than useless, so I'm wondering what AV product people here recommend for home PC use and satisfies the following specs: 1. It actually stops viruses (no kidding?!?) 2. It's not too intrusive in the UI (banners, popups, tray icons, context menus, etc) 3. It doesn't have side-effects (degrades performance, conflicts with other apps, etc) I reckon that asking for all of these things together is too much, but I might find a compromise. Cheers, Greg ESSET would appear to be the winner with me. It is relatively expensive, but does the job quietly and capably. Matt -- Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. Benjamin Franklin smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: [OT] Anti-Virus replacement for AVG
+5 ESET I have eset on my machine and my daughter had mcaffee. Her msn sent me a URL or something suspicious. I may have even clicked it to sis it out. ESET blocked it cold. I immediately upgraged to a 5 machine license and put it on all our machines. Not has a problem since. I run it so it gives me the choice to allow or block like zonealarm as I like to know what's going on (this time replied to the list) On Sat, Mar 19, 2011 at 9:16 AM, Unicorn.Consulting unicorn.consult...@gmail.com wrote: On 18/03/2011 8:59 AM, Greg Keogh wrote: Folks, after much web browsing, discussion and head-scratching about a year ago I picked AVG free edition over the dozens of choices. It seemed to have a good reputation and it didn't seem too intrusive. Since then, one friend with AVG free has had a machine infected 3 times, another friend had 2 infections, and my wife's work machine got one hit. In most cases I could go into safe mode, disable the infection registry entries and then AVG would detect and clean the virus. One machine was so utterly screwed twice that it had to be formatted each time. In all cases AVG was disabled or deleted by the infection. AVG seems to be worse than useless, so I'm wondering what AV product people here recommend for home PC use and satisfies the following specs: 1. It actually stops viruses (no kidding?!?) 2. It's not too intrusive in the UI (banners, popups, tray icons, context menus, etc) 3. It doesn't have side-effects (degrades performance, conflicts with other apps, etc) I reckon that asking for all of these things together is too much, but I might find a compromise. Cheers, Greg ESSET would appear to be the winner with me. It is relatively expensive, but does the job quietly and capably. Matt -- “Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.” Benjamin Franklin
[OT] Anti-Virus replacement for AVG
Folks, after much web browsing, discussion and head-scratching about a year ago I picked AVG free edition over the dozens of choices. It seemed to have a good reputation and it didn't seem too intrusive. Since then, one friend with AVG free has had a machine infected 3 times, another friend had 2 infections, and my wife's work machine got one hit. In most cases I could go into safe mode, disable the infection registry entries and then AVG would detect and clean the virus. One machine was so utterly screwed twice that it had to be formatted each time. In all cases AVG was disabled or deleted by the infection. AVG seems to be worse than useless, so I'm wondering what AV product people here recommend for home PC use and satisfies the following specs: 1. It actually stops viruses (no kidding?!?) 2. It's not too intrusive in the UI (banners, popups, tray icons, context menus, etc) 3. It doesn't have side-effects (degrades performance, conflicts with other apps, etc) I reckon that asking for all of these things together is too much, but I might find a compromise. Cheers, Greg
Re: [OT] Anti-Virus replacement for AVG
I gave up on AVG a while ago because of your point #2 actually. Since then I've been using Microsoft Security Essentials. Considering I don't generally do anything that would endanger me, I can't testify as its adequacy as far as protection goes, but I liked the idea of the virus databases updating with windows update. On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 9:29 AM, Greg Keogh g...@mira.net wrote: Folks, after much web browsing, discussion and head-scratching about a year ago I picked AVG free edition over the dozens of choices. It seemed to have a good reputation and it didn't seem too intrusive. Since then, one friend with AVG free has had a machine infected 3 times, another friend had 2 infections, and my wife's work machine got one hit. In most cases I could go into safe mode, disable the infection registry entries and then AVG would detect and clean the virus. One machine was so utterly screwed twice that it had to be formatted each time. In all cases AVG was disabled or deleted by the infection. AVG seems to be worse than useless, so I'm wondering what AV product people here recommend for home PC use and satisfies the following specs: 1. It actually stops viruses (no kidding?!?) 2. It's not too intrusive in the UI (banners, popups, tray icons, context menus, etc) 3. It doesn't have side-effects (degrades performance, conflicts with other apps, etc) I reckon that asking for all of these things together is too much, but I might find a compromise. Cheers, Greg -- Geoff Appleby Blog: http://www.crankygoblin.com/geoff Twitter: http://twitter.com/g_appleby Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/geoff.appleby
Re: [OT] Anti-Virus replacement for AVG
Thirded. On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 9:33 AM, Chris Walsh ch...@walshie.me wrote: Microsoft Security Essentials works fine.
Re: [OT] Anti-Virus replacement for AVG
When you go to the security essentials homepage you can also be one of the first to try the IE9 beta (banner) ;) On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 8:33 AM, Chris Walsh ch...@walshie.me wrote: Microsoft Security Essentials works fine. *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Greg Keogh *Sent:* Friday, 18 March 2011 9:29 AM *To:* 'ozDotNet' *Subject:* [OT] Anti-Virus replacement for AVG Folks, after much web browsing, discussion and head-scratching about a year ago I picked AVG free edition over the dozens of choices. It seemed to have a good reputation and it didn't seem too intrusive. Since then, one friend with AVG free has had a machine infected 3 times, another friend had 2 infections, and my wife's work machine got one hit. In most cases I could go into safe mode, disable the infection registry entries and then AVG would detect and clean the virus. One machine was so utterly screwed twice that it had to be formatted each time. In all cases AVG was disabled or deleted by the infection. AVG seems to be worse than useless, so I'm wondering what AV product people here recommend for home PC use and satisfies the following specs: 1. It actually stops viruses (no kidding?!?) 2. It's not too intrusive in the UI (banners, popups, tray icons, context menus, etc) 3. It doesn't have side-effects (degrades performance, conflicts with other apps, etc) I reckon that asking for all of these things together is too much, but I might find a compromise. Cheers, Greg
Re: [OT] Anti-Virus replacement for AVG
I use AVAST and am pretty happy with it - I too gave up on AVG a few years ago. I find Avast to be pretty good, not too intrusive and I haven't had a single virus issue in three years on 5 different machines. But the clincher for me is that on Talk Like A Pirate Day, all of the Avast dialogs do talk like a pirate. And what could be better than that, me hearties? On 18 March 2011 09:36, Greg Kennedy gkenne...@gmail.com wrote: When you go to the security essentials homepage you can also be one of the first to try the IE9 beta (banner) ;) On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 8:33 AM, Chris Walsh ch...@walshie.me wrote: Microsoft Security Essentials works fine. *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Greg Keogh *Sent:* Friday, 18 March 2011 9:29 AM *To:* 'ozDotNet' *Subject:* [OT] Anti-Virus replacement for AVG Folks, after much web browsing, discussion and head-scratching about a year ago I picked AVG free edition over the dozens of choices. It seemed to have a good reputation and it didn't seem too intrusive. Since then, one friend with AVG free has had a machine infected 3 times, another friend had 2 infections, and my wife's work machine got one hit. In most cases I could go into safe mode, disable the infection registry entries and then AVG would detect and clean the virus. One machine was so utterly screwed twice that it had to be formatted each time. In all cases AVG was disabled or deleted by the infection. AVG seems to be worse than useless, so I'm wondering what AV product people here recommend for home PC use and satisfies the following specs: 1. It actually stops viruses (no kidding?!?) 2. It's not too intrusive in the UI (banners, popups, tray icons, context menus, etc) 3. It doesn't have side-effects (degrades performance, conflicts with other apps, etc) I reckon that asking for all of these things together is too much, but I might find a compromise. Cheers, Greg
Re: [OT] Anti-Virus replacement for AVG
+1 for Avast Simon On 3/18/11, David Burstin david.burs...@gmail.com wrote: I use AVAST and am pretty happy with it - I too gave up on AVG a few years ago.
Re: [OT] Anti-Virus replacement for AVG
Greg, Microsoft Security Essentials for Win7 and below. Vipre for Servers (they have a home license that covers all machine in your home) (http://vipreantivirus.com/) Bill Chesnut BizTalk Server MVP Melbourne, Australia _ From: Greg Keogh [mailto:g...@mira.net] To: 'ozDotNet' [mailto:ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com] Sent: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 09:29:22 +1100 Subject: [OT] Anti-Virus replacement for AVG Folks, after much web browsing, discussion and head-scratching about a year ago I picked AVG free edition over the dozens of choices. It seemed to have a good reputation and it didn't seem too intrusive. Since then, one friend with AVG free has had a machine infected 3 times, another friend had 2 infections, and my wife's work machine got one hit. In most cases I could go into safe mode, disable the infection registry entries and then AVG would detect and clean the virus. One machine was so utterly screwed twice that it had to be formatted each time. In all cases AVG was disabled or deleted by the infection. AVG seems to be worse than useless, so I'm wondering what AV product people here recommend for home PC use and satisfies the following specs: 1. It actually stops viruses (no kidding?!?) 2. It's not too intrusive in the UI (banners, popups, tray icons, context menus, etc) 3. It doesn't have side-effects (degrades performance, conflicts with other apps, etc) I reckon that asking for all of these things together is too much, but I might find a compromise. Cheers, Greg
RE: [OT] Anti-Virus replacement for AVG
Thanks for the heads-up on Security Essentials, which I was not previously aware of. They must have slipped it in under my radar, or perhaps I saw it and didn't take is seriously. Microsoft has traditionally left malware protection to other vendors, so what made them suddenly put the effort into their own product? Anyway, I tend to prefer products that come from the operating system manufacturer, because they have the inside knowledge and there is less lag time. So I'll run with Security Essentials and give a bash. A product that talks like a pirate ... yeah, good luck with that. Greg
Re: [OT] Anti-Virus replacement for AVG
On 18 March 2011 12:01, Greg Keogh g...@mira.net wrote: A product that talks like a pirate ... yeah, good luck with that. Where's your sense of humour? It is Friday after all! I don't care which AV you choose, but as a satisfied user I will defend Avast. Avast is a great product that I have never had a problem with. Just because they have some fun doesn't reflect on the quality at all. For me it enhances the user experience. But if that is what influences you then yeah, good luck with that. Do you have an issue with Google having themes on their search page? David Greg
