RE: [OT] Browser use

[Paul Glavich]

Interesting you note that only last month Chrome exceeded IE usage (even tho it 
is a Microsoft site). We have had consistently much larger percentage of chrome 
usage as in Chrome 52% vs Firefox 18% vs IE 14% which has been that way for a 
few years.

 

I too use Chrome for almost everything. The dev tools are good and being an 
AngularJS guy, it has Batarang 
(https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/angularjs-batarang/ighdmehidhipcmcojjgiloacoafjmpfk?hl=en
 ) for AngularJS dev.

 

I do leave IE the default for Win8 browsing tho as it seems to work nicer from 
an integration perspective.

 

-  Glav

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of GregAtGregLowDotCom
Sent: Thursday, 22 May 2014 1:33 PM
To: 'ozDotNet'
Subject: RE: [OT] Browser use

 

I never thought I’d change my default browser but I had to do so with IE11. 
Moved to using Chrome as a default. I eventually I got to a point where I just 
had to get things done and whether or not Microsoft believe they did the right 
thing by removing the agent string entries, they “broke the internet” for too 
many people.

 

I don’t think they understood the politics of this. If someone is browsing ok, 
and updates to IE11 and then so many sites don’t work, they won’t blame the 
sites, they’ll blame what they just updated.

 

There were lots of Microsoft’s own properties that wouldn’t work with IE11.

 

You can’t even lodge a BAS return here in Australia with IE11 and if you talk 
to the ATO, they just say “Use Chrome”.

 

Wish it wasn’t so.

 

Last month was the first month where I noted more Chrome use than IE use at our 
web  site, and we’re a Microsoft related site. That’s a big change for us from 
6 months ago. It used to be an IE majority for us.

 

Apart from the lack of compatibility with so many existing sites, I quite like 
many things about IE11. I just can’t get work done when it’s my default browser.

 

Regards,

 

Greg

 

Dr Greg Low

 

1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913 fax 

SQL Down Under | Web:  <http://www.sqldownunder.com/> www.sqldownunder.com

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com <mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com>  
[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of anthonyatsmall...@mail.com 
<mailto:anthonyatsmall...@mail.com> 
Sent: Thursday, 22 May 2014 11:23 AM
To: 'ozDotNet'
Subject: RE: [OT] Browser use

 

Just want to spread my use of technology amongst many companies instead of a 
few…it also inspires competition and innovation.

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com <mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com>  
[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Price
Sent: Thursday, 22 May 2014 1:18 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: [OT] Browser use

 

So you would rather support a small non powerful company that uses your data 
any way they want? 

 

The underdog so to speak? 

 

Personally, I'd rather use the browser that does everything I want it to and 
none of the things I don't. Targeted advertising? Sure I want that. I *WANT* to 
see ads for the latest and greatest Tablet or Monitor. I *don't* want to see 
tampon ads. Sign me up. Shut up and take my money!

 

If said company becomes an issue, I'll change. I'm a fickle customer, more so 
than they are. I'm using them more than they are using me. 

 

On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 10:25 AM, mailto:anthonyatsmall...@mail.com> > wrote:

I use Firefox, Chrome is great but I do not want to support a company that is 
so powerful and use your data what ever way they want.

 

 

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com <mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com>  
[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com <mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com> ] 
On Behalf Of Craig van Nieuwkerk
Sent: Thursday, 22 May 2014 12:06 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: [OT] Browser use

 

I am pretty much with you. I find IE works better with VS so use it for most 
development unless I need to do a lot of client side debugging in which case I 
use Chrome. I then use Chrome for everyday use. I only use Firefox for cross 
browser testing.

 

Craig

 

On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 12:01 PM, Stephen Price mailto:step...@perthprojects.com> > wrote:

I disagree. I think? 

 

I find I use Chrome and IE. For development it depends what I'm doing. If I 
want to hit a breakpoint in VS then IE does that. If I want to use the debugger 
in the browser then I use Chrome. IE keeps changing their Developer tools and 
even though they are improving I still find Chrome more productive for 
debugging. 

 

For actual USE I use Chrome for most things but occasionally something doesn't 
work right and I switch. Pluralsite for example seems to hang after a while in 
Chrome. No issues in IE. 

Not used Firefox in some years. Toggling between two is fine. A third becomes 
too much.

 

On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 9:53 AM, Davi

Re: [OT] Browser use

[mike smith]

On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 10:28 AM, David Richards <
ausdot...@davidsuniverse.com> wrote:

> You know, we could solve all these problems if we defined some kind of...
> lets call it a "standard"... that all
> browsers conform to.  This "standard" would
> ensure all browsers would work on all sites.
>
>
Blame MS for that, mostly.  They were the original 'innovators' for
altering browser standards.

Chrome... I think Chrome's update cycle lets them hotfix broken sites
almost before they get noticed.  :)

Its Friday so yes, I'm trolling a bit.



> It surprises me no one has thought of this before ;-)
>
>



> David
>
> "If we can hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominoes
>  will fall like a house of cards... checkmate!"
>  -Zapp Brannigan, Futurama
>
>
> On 23 May 2014 09:19, Bec Carter  wrote:
>
>>
>> On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 4:53 PM, GregAtGregLowDotCom wrote:
>>
>>> Yep, unfortunately though the experience for users isn’t good or
>>> obvious. In the case of the ATO website, even that doesn’t work. You get
>>> prompted to install Java (even though you already have it). When you
>>> install it, it just says to install it again.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If you call them, they say “use Chrome”.
>>>
>>
>> Interesting how most places say to use Chrome now, I love it! I remember
>> when many sites didn't work with Chrome very well, ATO being one of them.
>>
>>
>>>


-- 
Meski

 http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv

"Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure,
you'll get it, but it's going to be rough" - Adam Hills

Re: [OT] Browser use

[David Richards]

You know, we could solve all these problems if we defined some kind of...
lets call it a "standard"... that all
browsers conform to.  This "standard" would
ensure all browsers would work on all sites.

It surprises me no one has thought of this before ;-)

David

"If we can hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominoes
 will fall like a house of cards... checkmate!"
 -Zapp Brannigan, Futurama


On 23 May 2014 09:19, Bec Carter  wrote:

>
> On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 4:53 PM, GregAtGregLowDotCom wrote:
>
>> Yep, unfortunately though the experience for users isn’t good or obvious.
>> In the case of the ATO website, even that doesn’t work. You get prompted to
>> install Java (even though you already have it). When you install it, it
>> just says to install it again.
>>
>>
>>
>> If you call them, they say “use Chrome”.
>>
>
> Interesting how most places say to use Chrome now, I love it! I remember
> when many sites didn't work with Chrome very well, ATO being one of them.
>
>
>>

Re: [OT] Browser use

[Bec Carter]

On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 4:53 PM, GregAtGregLowDotCom wrote:

> Yep, unfortunately though the experience for users isn’t good or obvious.
> In the case of the ATO website, even that doesn’t work. You get prompted to
> install Java (even though you already have it). When you install it, it
> just says to install it again.
>
>
>
> If you call them, they say “use Chrome”.
>

Interesting how most places say to use Chrome now, I love it! I remember
when many sites didn't work with Chrome very well, ATO being one of them.


>
> Most people got used to hitting the compatibility link (the broken link
> tab thing) when they had issues with web sites but for some reason, they’ve
> all decided to remove that from the browser too. You need to enable the
> full menu, then choose the compatibility settings, and then add the site.
> That’s far less discoverable for most people. And for some sites, that
> works, for many others it doesn’t.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> Greg
>
>
>
> Dr Greg Low
>
>
>
> 1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913fax
>
> SQL Down Under | Web: www.sqldownunder.com
>
>
>
> *From:* ILT (O) [mailto:il.tho...@outlook.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, 22 May 2014 1:51 PM
> *To:* GregAtGregLowDotCom; 'ozDotNet'
>
> *Subject:* RE: [OT] Browser use
>
>
>
> GregL - I thought I saw, 2-3 weeks/months ago? - that IE11 can be put into
> Edge Mode (IE8)  – but of course that requires your visitors to be aware of
> that.
>
>
> --
>
> Ian Thomas
> Victoria Park, Western Australia
>
> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [
> mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *GregAtGregLowDotCom
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 22, 2014 11:33 AM
> *To:* 'ozDotNet'
> *Subject:* RE: [OT] Browser use
>
>
>
> I never thought I’d change my default browser but I had to do so with
> IE11. Moved to using Chrome as a default. I eventually I got to a point
> where I just had to get things done and whether or not Microsoft believe
> they did the right thing by removing the agent string entries, they “broke
> the internet” for too many people.
>
>
>
> I don’t think they understood the politics of this. If someone is browsing
> ok, and updates to IE11 and then so many sites don’t work, they won’t blame
> the sites, they’ll blame what they just updated.
>
>
>
> There were lots of Microsoft’s own properties that wouldn’t work with IE11.
>
>
>
> You can’t even lodge a BAS return here in Australia with IE11 and if you
> talk to the ATO, they just say “Use Chrome”.
>
>
>
> Wish it wasn’t so.
>
>
>
> Last month was the first month where I noted more Chrome use than IE use
> at our web  site, and we’re a Microsoft related site. That’s a big change
> for us from 6 months ago. It used to be an IE majority for us.
>
>
>
> Apart from the lack of compatibility with so many existing sites, I quite
> like many things about IE11. I just can’t get work done when it’s my
> default browser.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> Greg
>
>
>
> Dr Greg Low
>
>
>
> 1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913fax
>
> SQL Down Under | Web: www.sqldownunder.com
>
>
>
> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [
> mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *anthonyatsmall...@mail.com
> *Sent:* Thursday, 22 May 2014 11:23 AM
> *To:* 'ozDotNet'
> *Subject:* RE: [OT] Browser use
>
>
>
> Just want to spread my use of technology amongst many companies instead of
> a few…it also inspires competition and innovation.
>
>
>
> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [
> mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Stephen Price
> *Sent:* Thursday, 22 May 2014 1:18 PM
> *To:* ozDotNet
> *Subject:* Re: [OT] Browser use
>
>
>
> So you would rather support a small non powerful company that uses your
> data any way they want?
>
>
>
> The underdog so to speak?
>
>
>
> Personally, I'd rather use the browser that does everything I want it to
> and none of the things I don't. Targeted advertising? Sure I want that. I
> *WANT* to see ads for the latest and greatest Tablet or Monitor. I *don't*
> want to see tampon ads. Sign me up. Shut up and take my money!
>
>
>
> If said company becomes an issue, I'll change. I'm a fickle customer, more
> so than they are. I'm using them more than they are using me.
>
>
>
> On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 10:25 AM,  wrote:
>
> I use Firefox, Chrome is great but I do not want to support a company that
> is so 

Re: [OT] Browser use

[Jano Petras]

I stopped using IE for general browsing during days of IE6 - now use it
only for development/site testing version 8-11
I never used Chrome regularly and not planning to, using it for
development/testing only.
I am exclusive and happy Firefox user since 2005 :)


On 22 May 2014 16:53, GregAtGregLowDotCom  wrote:

> Yep, unfortunately though the experience for users isn’t good or obvious.
> In the case of the ATO website, even that doesn’t work. You get prompted to
> install Java (even though you already have it). When you install it, it
> just says to install it again.
>
>
>
> If you call them, they say “use Chrome”.
>
>
>
> Most people got used to hitting the compatibility link (the broken link
> tab thing) when they had issues with web sites but for some reason, they’ve
> all decided to remove that from the browser too. You need to enable the
> full menu, then choose the compatibility settings, and then add the site.
> That’s far less discoverable for most people. And for some sites, that
> works, for many others it doesn’t.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> Greg
>
>
>
> Dr Greg Low
>
>
>
> 1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913fax
>
> SQL Down Under | Web: www.sqldownunder.com
>
>
>
> *From:* ILT (O) [mailto:il.tho...@outlook.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, 22 May 2014 1:51 PM
> *To:* GregAtGregLowDotCom; 'ozDotNet'
>
> *Subject:* RE: [OT] Browser use
>
>
>
> GregL - I thought I saw, 2-3 weeks/months ago? - that IE11 can be put into
> Edge Mode (IE8)  – but of course that requires your visitors to be aware of
> that.
>
>
> --
>
> Ian Thomas
> Victoria Park, Western Australia
>
> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [
> mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *GregAtGregLowDotCom
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 22, 2014 11:33 AM
> *To:* 'ozDotNet'
> *Subject:* RE: [OT] Browser use
>
>
>
> I never thought I’d change my default browser but I had to do so with
> IE11. Moved to using Chrome as a default. I eventually I got to a point
> where I just had to get things done and whether or not Microsoft believe
> they did the right thing by removing the agent string entries, they “broke
> the internet” for too many people.
>
>
>
> I don’t think they understood the politics of this. If someone is browsing
> ok, and updates to IE11 and then so many sites don’t work, they won’t blame
> the sites, they’ll blame what they just updated.
>
>
>
> There were lots of Microsoft’s own properties that wouldn’t work with IE11.
>
>
>
> You can’t even lodge a BAS return here in Australia with IE11 and if you
> talk to the ATO, they just say “Use Chrome”.
>
>
>
> Wish it wasn’t so.
>
>
>
> Last month was the first month where I noted more Chrome use than IE use
> at our web  site, and we’re a Microsoft related site. That’s a big change
> for us from 6 months ago. It used to be an IE majority for us.
>
>
>
> Apart from the lack of compatibility with so many existing sites, I quite
> like many things about IE11. I just can’t get work done when it’s my
> default browser.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> Greg
>
>
>
> Dr Greg Low
>
>
>
> 1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913fax
>
> SQL Down Under | Web: www.sqldownunder.com
>
>
>
> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [
> mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *anthonyatsmall...@mail.com
> *Sent:* Thursday, 22 May 2014 11:23 AM
> *To:* 'ozDotNet'
> *Subject:* RE: [OT] Browser use
>
>
>
> Just want to spread my use of technology amongst many companies instead of
> a few…it also inspires competition and innovation.
>
>
>
> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [
> mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Stephen Price
> *Sent:* Thursday, 22 May 2014 1:18 PM
> *To:* ozDotNet
> *Subject:* Re: [OT] Browser use
>
>
>
> So you would rather support a small non powerful company that uses your
> data any way they want?
>
>
>
> The underdog so to speak?
>
>
>
> Personally, I'd rather use the browser that does everything I want it to
> and none of the things I don't. Targeted advertising? Sure I want that. I
> *WANT* to see ads for the latest and greatest Tablet or Monitor. I *don't*
> want to see tampon ads. Sign me up. Shut up and take my money!
>
>
>
> If said company becomes an issue, I'll change. I'm a fickle customer, more
> so than they are. I'm using them more than they are using me.
>
>
>
> On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 10:25 AM,

RE: [OT] Browser use

[GregAtGregLowDotCom]

Yep, unfortunately though the experience for users isn’t good or obvious. In 
the case of the ATO website, even that doesn’t work. You get prompted to 
install Java (even though you already have it). When you install it, it just 
says to install it again.

 

If you call them, they say “use Chrome”.

 

Most people got used to hitting the compatibility link (the broken link tab 
thing) when they had issues with web sites but for some reason, they’ve all 
decided to remove that from the browser too. You need to enable the full menu, 
then choose the compatibility settings, and then add the site. That’s far less 
discoverable for most people. And for some sites, that works, for many others 
it doesn’t.

 

Regards,

 

Greg

 

Dr Greg Low

 

1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913 fax 

SQL Down Under | Web:  <http://www.sqldownunder.com/> www.sqldownunder.com

 

From: ILT (O) [mailto:il.tho...@outlook.com] 
Sent: Thursday, 22 May 2014 1:51 PM
To: GregAtGregLowDotCom; 'ozDotNet'
Subject: RE: [OT] Browser use

 

GregL - I thought I saw, 2-3 weeks/months ago? - that IE11 can be put into Edge 
Mode (IE8)  – but of course that requires your visitors to be aware of that.

 

  _  

Ian Thomas
Victoria Park, Western Australia

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com <mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com>  
[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of GregAtGregLowDotCom
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2014 11:33 AM
To: 'ozDotNet'
Subject: RE: [OT] Browser use

 

I never thought I’d change my default browser but I had to do so with IE11. 
Moved to using Chrome as a default. I eventually I got to a point where I just 
had to get things done and whether or not Microsoft believe they did the right 
thing by removing the agent string entries, they “broke the internet” for too 
many people.

 

I don’t think they understood the politics of this. If someone is browsing ok, 
and updates to IE11 and then so many sites don’t work, they won’t blame the 
sites, they’ll blame what they just updated.

 

There were lots of Microsoft’s own properties that wouldn’t work with IE11.

 

You can’t even lodge a BAS return here in Australia with IE11 and if you talk 
to the ATO, they just say “Use Chrome”.

 

Wish it wasn’t so.

 

Last month was the first month where I noted more Chrome use than IE use at our 
web  site, and we’re a Microsoft related site. That’s a big change for us from 
6 months ago. It used to be an IE majority for us.

 

Apart from the lack of compatibility with so many existing sites, I quite like 
many things about IE11. I just can’t get work done when it’s my default browser.

 

Regards,

 

Greg

 

Dr Greg Low

 

1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913 fax 

SQL Down Under | Web:  <http://www.sqldownunder.com/> www.sqldownunder.com

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com <mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com>  
[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of anthonyatsmall...@mail.com 
<mailto:anthonyatsmall...@mail.com> 
Sent: Thursday, 22 May 2014 11:23 AM
To: 'ozDotNet'
Subject: RE: [OT] Browser use

 

Just want to spread my use of technology amongst many companies instead of a 
few…it also inspires competition and innovation.

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com <mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com>  
[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Price
Sent: Thursday, 22 May 2014 1:18 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: [OT] Browser use

 

So you would rather support a small non powerful company that uses your data 
any way they want? 

 

The underdog so to speak? 

 

Personally, I'd rather use the browser that does everything I want it to and 
none of the things I don't. Targeted advertising? Sure I want that. I *WANT* to 
see ads for the latest and greatest Tablet or Monitor. I *don't* want to see 
tampon ads. Sign me up. Shut up and take my money!

 

If said company becomes an issue, I'll change. I'm a fickle customer, more so 
than they are. I'm using them more than they are using me. 

 

On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 10:25 AM, mailto:anthonyatsmall...@mail.com> > wrote:

I use Firefox, Chrome is great but I do not want to support a company that is 
so powerful and use your data what ever way they want.

 

 

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com <mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com>  
[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com <mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com> ] 
On Behalf Of Craig van Nieuwkerk
Sent: Thursday, 22 May 2014 12:06 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: [OT] Browser use

 

I am pretty much with you. I find IE works better with VS so use it for most 
development unless I need to do a lot of client side debugging in which case I 
use Chrome. I then use Chrome for everyday use. I only use Firefox for cross 
browser testing.

 

Craig

 

On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 12:01 PM, Stephen Price ma

RE: [OT] Browser use

[ILT (O)]

GregL - I thought I saw, 2-3 weeks/months ago? - that IE11 can be put into Edge 
Mode (IE8)  – but of course that requires your visitors to be aware of that.

 

  _  

Ian Thomas
Victoria Park, Western Australia

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of GregAtGregLowDotCom
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2014 11:33 AM
To: 'ozDotNet'
Subject: RE: [OT] Browser use

 

I never thought I’d change my default browser but I had to do so with IE11. 
Moved to using Chrome as a default. I eventually I got to a point where I just 
had to get things done and whether or not Microsoft believe they did the right 
thing by removing the agent string entries, they “broke the internet” for too 
many people.

 

I don’t think they understood the politics of this. If someone is browsing ok, 
and updates to IE11 and then so many sites don’t work, they won’t blame the 
sites, they’ll blame what they just updated.

 

There were lots of Microsoft’s own properties that wouldn’t work with IE11.

 

You can’t even lodge a BAS return here in Australia with IE11 and if you talk 
to the ATO, they just say “Use Chrome”.

 

Wish it wasn’t so.

 

Last month was the first month where I noted more Chrome use than IE use at our 
web  site, and we’re a Microsoft related site. That’s a big change for us from 
6 months ago. It used to be an IE majority for us.

 

Apart from the lack of compatibility with so many existing sites, I quite like 
many things about IE11. I just can’t get work done when it’s my default browser.

 

Regards,

 

Greg

 

Dr Greg Low

 

1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913 fax 

SQL Down Under | Web:  <http://www.sqldownunder.com/> www.sqldownunder.com

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of anthonyatsmall...@mail.com
Sent: Thursday, 22 May 2014 11:23 AM
To: 'ozDotNet'
Subject: RE: [OT] Browser use

 

Just want to spread my use of technology amongst many companies instead of a 
few…it also inspires competition and innovation.

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Stephen Price
Sent: Thursday, 22 May 2014 1:18 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: [OT] Browser use

 

So you would rather support a small non powerful company that uses your data 
any way they want? 

 

The underdog so to speak? 

 

Personally, I'd rather use the browser that does everything I want it to and 
none of the things I don't. Targeted advertising? Sure I want that. I *WANT* to 
see ads for the latest and greatest Tablet or Monitor. I *don't* want to see 
tampon ads. Sign me up. Shut up and take my money!

 

If said company becomes an issue, I'll change. I'm a fickle customer, more so 
than they are. I'm using them more than they are using me. 

 

On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 10:25 AM,  wrote:

I use Firefox, Chrome is great but I do not want to support a company that is 
so powerful and use your data what ever way they want.

 

 

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Craig van Nieuwkerk
Sent: Thursday, 22 May 2014 12:06 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: [OT] Browser use

 

I am pretty much with you. I find IE works better with VS so use it for most 
development unless I need to do a lot of client side debugging in which case I 
use Chrome. I then use Chrome for everyday use. I only use Firefox for cross 
browser testing.

 

Craig

 

On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 12:01 PM, Stephen Price  
wrote:

I disagree. I think? 

 

I find I use Chrome and IE. For development it depends what I'm doing. If I 
want to hit a breakpoint in VS then IE does that. If I want to use the debugger 
in the browser then I use Chrome. IE keeps changing their Developer tools and 
even though they are improving I still find Chrome more productive for 
debugging. 

 

For actual USE I use Chrome for most things but occasionally something doesn't 
work right and I switch. Pluralsite for example seems to hang after a while in 
Chrome. No issues in IE. 

Not used Firefox in some years. Toggling between two is fine. A third becomes 
too much.

 

On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 9:53 AM, David Burstin  wrote:

I was using Firefox on some machines, but recently moved to Chrome as a 
political statement, not because I love Google but rather because I wanted to 
show my dissatisfaction with Firefox's political correctness/censorship 
<http://readwrite.com/2014/04/03/brendan-eich-mozilla-resigns-ceo#awesm=~oEX2WzjEhsumsR>
 . (And in case you were wondering, I do support marriage equality but even 
more than that I support peoples right to disagree with me. Agree?)

 

On 22 May 2014 11:43, Bec Carter  wrote:

This thread got me wondering if anybody here actually uses a browser other than 
Chrome. By *use* I mean to personally browse and not to just test sites across 
different browsers. 

Re: [OT] Browser use

[William Luu]

Though Chrome is my main browser and has been for awhile, I recently
switched over to using Firefox (Aurora channel) for dev stuff.

The main reason was to have a look at the recent additions to their dev
tools
https://hacks.mozilla.org/2014/05/editable-box-model-multiple-selection-sublime-text-keys-much-more-firefox-developer-tools-episode-31/



On 22 May 2014 14:20, David Connors  wrote:

> On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 1:32 PM, GregAtGregLowDotCom wrote:
>
>> You can't even lodge a BAS return here in Australia with IE11 and if you
>> talk to the ATO, they just say "Use Chrome".
>>
>> Wish it wasn't so.
>>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [OT] Browser use

[David Connors]

On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 1:32 PM, GregAtGregLowDotCom wrote:

> You can’t even lodge a BAS return here in Australia with IE11 and if you
> talk to the ATO, they just say “Use Chrome”.
>
> Wish it wasn’t so.
>

Re: [OT] Browser use

[Joseph Cooney]

Aside from all the good qualities of Chrome as a 'normal' browser user, I'm
so habituated on the Chrome dev tools that I couldn't change even if I
wanted to.

Joseph


On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 1:32 PM, GregAtGregLowDotCom wrote:

> I never thought I’d change my default browser but I had to do so with
> IE11. Moved to using Chrome as a default. I eventually I got to a point
> where I just had to get things done and whether or not Microsoft believe
> they did the right thing by removing the agent string entries, they “broke
> the internet” for too many people.
>
>
>
> I don’t think they understood the politics of this. If someone is browsing
> ok, and updates to IE11 and then so many sites don’t work, they won’t blame
> the sites, they’ll blame what they just updated.
>
>
>
> There were lots of Microsoft’s own properties that wouldn’t work with IE11.
>
>
>
> You can’t even lodge a BAS return here in Australia with IE11 and if you
> talk to the ATO, they just say “Use Chrome”.
>
>
>
> Wish it wasn’t so.
>
>
>
> Last month was the first month where I noted more Chrome use than IE use
> at our web  site, and we’re a Microsoft related site. That’s a big change
> for us from 6 months ago. It used to be an IE majority for us.
>
>
>
> Apart from the lack of compatibility with so many existing sites, I quite
> like many things about IE11. I just can’t get work done when it’s my
> default browser.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> Greg
>
>
>
> Dr Greg Low
>
>
>
> 1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913fax
>
> SQL Down Under | Web: www.sqldownunder.com
>
>
>
> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
> ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *anthonyatsmall...@mail.com
> *Sent:* Thursday, 22 May 2014 11:23 AM
>
> *To:* 'ozDotNet'
> *Subject:* RE: [OT] Browser use
>
>
>
> Just want to spread my use of technology amongst many companies instead of
> a few…it also inspires competition and innovation.
>
>
>
> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [
> mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Stephen Price
> *Sent:* Thursday, 22 May 2014 1:18 PM
> *To:* ozDotNet
> *Subject:* Re: [OT] Browser use
>
>
>
> So you would rather support a small non powerful company that uses your
> data any way they want?
>
>
>
> The underdog so to speak?
>
>
>
> Personally, I'd rather use the browser that does everything I want it to
> and none of the things I don't. Targeted advertising? Sure I want that. I
> *WANT* to see ads for the latest and greatest Tablet or Monitor. I *don't*
> want to see tampon ads. Sign me up. Shut up and take my money!
>
>
>
> If said company becomes an issue, I'll change. I'm a fickle customer, more
> so than they are. I'm using them more than they are using me.
>
>
>
> On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 10:25 AM,  wrote:
>
> I use Firefox, Chrome is great but I do not want to support a company that
> is so powerful and use your data what ever way they want.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
> ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Craig van Nieuwkerk
> *Sent:* Thursday, 22 May 2014 12:06 PM
> *To:* ozDotNet
> *Subject:* Re: [OT] Browser use
>
>
>
> I am pretty much with you. I find IE works better with VS so use it for
> most development unless I need to do a lot of client side debugging in
> which case I use Chrome. I then use Chrome for everyday use. I only use
> Firefox for cross browser testing.
>
>
>
> Craig
>
>
>
> On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 12:01 PM, Stephen Price 
> wrote:
>
> I disagree. I think?
>
>
>
> I find I use Chrome and IE. For development it depends what I'm doing. If
> I want to hit a breakpoint in VS then IE does that. If I want to use the
> debugger in the browser then I use Chrome. IE keeps changing their
> Developer tools and even though they are improving I still find Chrome more
> productive for debugging.
>
>
>
> For actual USE I use Chrome for most things but occasionally something
> doesn't work right and I switch. Pluralsite for example seems to hang after
> a while in Chrome. No issues in IE.
>
> Not used Firefox in some years. Toggling between two is fine. A third
> becomes too much.
>
>
>
> On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 9:53 AM, David Burstin 
> wrote:
>
> I was using Firefox on some machines, but recently moved to Chrome as a
> political statement, not because I love Google but rather because I wanted
> to show my dissatisfaction with Firefox's political 
> correctnes

Re: [OT] Browser use

[Stephen Price]

We care, Bec. We care. :)


On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 11:22 AM, Bec Carter  wrote:

> What data and how can/do they use it? Emails? Don't think anybody cares
> about my silly emails :-)
>
>
>
> On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 12:25 PM,  wrote:
>
>> I use Firefox, Chrome is great but I do not want to support a company
>> that is so powerful and use your data what ever way they want.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
>> ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Craig van Nieuwkerk
>> *Sent:* Thursday, 22 May 2014 12:06 PM
>> *To:* ozDotNet
>> *Subject:* Re: [OT] Browser use
>>
>>
>>
>> I am pretty much with you. I find IE works better with VS so use it for
>> most development unless I need to do a lot of client side debugging in
>> which case I use Chrome. I then use Chrome for everyday use. I only use
>> Firefox for cross browser testing.
>>
>>
>>
>> Craig
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 12:01 PM, Stephen Price <
>> step...@perthprojects.com> wrote:
>>
>> I disagree. I think?
>>
>>
>>
>> I find I use Chrome and IE. For development it depends what I'm doing. If
>> I want to hit a breakpoint in VS then IE does that. If I want to use the
>> debugger in the browser then I use Chrome. IE keeps changing their
>> Developer tools and even though they are improving I still find Chrome more
>> productive for debugging.
>>
>>
>>
>> For actual USE I use Chrome for most things but occasionally something
>> doesn't work right and I switch. Pluralsite for example seems to hang after
>> a while in Chrome. No issues in IE.
>>
>> Not used Firefox in some years. Toggling between two is fine. A third
>> becomes too much.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 9:53 AM, David Burstin 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I was using Firefox on some machines, but recently moved to Chrome as a
>> political statement, not because I love Google but rather because I wanted
>> to show my dissatisfaction with Firefox's political
>> correctness/censorship<http://readwrite.com/2014/04/03/brendan-eich-mozilla-resigns-ceo#awesm=~oEX2WzjEhsumsR>.
>> (And in case you were wondering, I do support marriage equality but even
>> more than that I support peoples right to disagree with me. Agree?)
>>
>>
>>
>> On 22 May 2014 11:43, Bec Carter  wrote:
>>
>> This thread got me wondering if anybody here actually uses a browser
>> other than Chrome. By *use* I mean to personally browse and not to just
>> test sites across different browsers. Even on my now dead Macbook I used
>> Chrome and just find it nicer than Safari or IE.
>>
>> Just curious :-)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 6:10 PM, noonie  wrote:
>>
>> Ken,
>>
>> Different browsers different behaviours and now I know why. Different
>> sites may be different user behaviours and I suspect I know why.
>>
>> Now all I have to figure out is how to "make it go away" because,
>> fundamentally, that's all that users want ;-)
>>
>> --
>> noonie
>>
>> On 21/05/2014 3:54 PM, "Ken Schaefer"  wrote:
>>
>> So you’re using different browsers to access the different sites?
>>
>>
>>
>> What if you swap the browsers around? Does the behaviour follow the
>> browser? Or stay with the website? That will probably give you a clue as to
>> whether it’s a browser, proxy or website issue.
>>
>>
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Ken
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
>> ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *noonie
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, 21 May 2014 3:29 PM
>> *To:* ozDotNet
>> *Subject:* Re: [OT] Copy & Paste from protected Web page
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks Ken,
>>
>>
>>
>> IE and Chrome behave differently and, as the clipboard is involved here,
>> things get even murkier. We're warming up WireShark as I write ;-)
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> noonie
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 20 May 2014 13:48, Ken Schaefer  wrote:
>>
>> I’d start by finding out whether the challenge is coming from the proxy
>> server or not.
>>
>> Packet capture on the proxy server can probably help you here, as it
>> should show what the proxy server is doing vs. what is coming directly from
>> the web serv

RE: [OT] Browser use

[GregAtGregLowDotCom]

I never thought I’d change my default browser but I had to do so with IE11. 
Moved to using Chrome as a default. I eventually I got to a point where I just 
had to get things done and whether or not Microsoft believe they did the right 
thing by removing the agent string entries, they “broke the internet” for too 
many people.

 

I don’t think they understood the politics of this. If someone is browsing ok, 
and updates to IE11 and then so many sites don’t work, they won’t blame the 
sites, they’ll blame what they just updated.

 

There were lots of Microsoft’s own properties that wouldn’t work with IE11.

 

You can’t even lodge a BAS return here in Australia with IE11 and if you talk 
to the ATO, they just say “Use Chrome”.

 

Wish it wasn’t so.

 

Last month was the first month where I noted more Chrome use than IE use at our 
web  site, and we’re a Microsoft related site. That’s a big change for us from 
6 months ago. It used to be an IE majority for us.

 

Apart from the lack of compatibility with so many existing sites, I quite like 
many things about IE11. I just can’t get work done when it’s my default browser.

 

Regards,

 

Greg

 

Dr Greg Low

 

1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913 fax 

SQL Down Under | Web:  <http://www.sqldownunder.com/> www.sqldownunder.com

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of anthonyatsmall...@mail.com
Sent: Thursday, 22 May 2014 11:23 AM
To: 'ozDotNet'
Subject: RE: [OT] Browser use

 

Just want to spread my use of technology amongst many companies instead of a 
few…it also inspires competition and innovation.

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com <mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com>  
[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Price
Sent: Thursday, 22 May 2014 1:18 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: [OT] Browser use

 

So you would rather support a small non powerful company that uses your data 
any way they want? 

 

The underdog so to speak? 

 

Personally, I'd rather use the browser that does everything I want it to and 
none of the things I don't. Targeted advertising? Sure I want that. I *WANT* to 
see ads for the latest and greatest Tablet or Monitor. I *don't* want to see 
tampon ads. Sign me up. Shut up and take my money!

 

If said company becomes an issue, I'll change. I'm a fickle customer, more so 
than they are. I'm using them more than they are using me. 

 

On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 10:25 AM, mailto:anthonyatsmall...@mail.com> > wrote:

I use Firefox, Chrome is great but I do not want to support a company that is 
so powerful and use your data what ever way they want.

 

 

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com <mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com>  
[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com <mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com> ] 
On Behalf Of Craig van Nieuwkerk
Sent: Thursday, 22 May 2014 12:06 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: [OT] Browser use

 

I am pretty much with you. I find IE works better with VS so use it for most 
development unless I need to do a lot of client side debugging in which case I 
use Chrome. I then use Chrome for everyday use. I only use Firefox for cross 
browser testing.

 

Craig

 

On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 12:01 PM, Stephen Price mailto:step...@perthprojects.com> > wrote:

I disagree. I think? 

 

I find I use Chrome and IE. For development it depends what I'm doing. If I 
want to hit a breakpoint in VS then IE does that. If I want to use the debugger 
in the browser then I use Chrome. IE keeps changing their Developer tools and 
even though they are improving I still find Chrome more productive for 
debugging. 

 

For actual USE I use Chrome for most things but occasionally something doesn't 
work right and I switch. Pluralsite for example seems to hang after a while in 
Chrome. No issues in IE. 

Not used Firefox in some years. Toggling between two is fine. A third becomes 
too much.

 

On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 9:53 AM, David Burstin mailto:david.burs...@gmail.com> > wrote:

I was using Firefox on some machines, but recently moved to Chrome as a 
political statement, not because I love Google but rather because I wanted to 
show my dissatisfaction with Firefox's political correctness/censorship 
<http://readwrite.com/2014/04/03/brendan-eich-mozilla-resigns-ceo#awesm=~oEX2WzjEhsumsR>
 . (And in case you were wondering, I do support marriage equality but even 
more than that I support peoples right to disagree with me. Agree?)

 

On 22 May 2014 11:43, Bec Carter mailto:bec.usern...@gmail.com> > wrote:

This thread got me wondering if anybody here actually uses a browser other than 
Chrome. By *use* I mean to personally browse and not to just test sites across 
different browsers. Even on my now dead Macbook I used Chrome and just find it 
nicer than Safari or IE.

Just curious :-)

 

 

On Wed, May 21,

RE: [OT] Browser use

[anthonyatsmallbiz]

Just want to spread my use of technology amongst many companies instead of a 
few…it also inspires competition and innovation.

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Stephen Price
Sent: Thursday, 22 May 2014 1:18 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: [OT] Browser use

 

So you would rather support a small non powerful company that uses your data 
any way they want? 

 

The underdog so to speak? 

 

Personally, I'd rather use the browser that does everything I want it to and 
none of the things I don't. Targeted advertising? Sure I want that. I *WANT* to 
see ads for the latest and greatest Tablet or Monitor. I *don't* want to see 
tampon ads. Sign me up. Shut up and take my money!

 

If said company becomes an issue, I'll change. I'm a fickle customer, more so 
than they are. I'm using them more than they are using me. 

 

On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 10:25 AM,  wrote:

I use Firefox, Chrome is great but I do not want to support a company that is 
so powerful and use your data what ever way they want.

 

 

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Craig van Nieuwkerk
Sent: Thursday, 22 May 2014 12:06 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: [OT] Browser use

 

I am pretty much with you. I find IE works better with VS so use it for most 
development unless I need to do a lot of client side debugging in which case I 
use Chrome. I then use Chrome for everyday use. I only use Firefox for cross 
browser testing.

 

Craig

 

On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 12:01 PM, Stephen Price  
wrote:

I disagree. I think? 

 

I find I use Chrome and IE. For development it depends what I'm doing. If I 
want to hit a breakpoint in VS then IE does that. If I want to use the debugger 
in the browser then I use Chrome. IE keeps changing their Developer tools and 
even though they are improving I still find Chrome more productive for 
debugging. 

 

For actual USE I use Chrome for most things but occasionally something doesn't 
work right and I switch. Pluralsite for example seems to hang after a while in 
Chrome. No issues in IE. 

Not used Firefox in some years. Toggling between two is fine. A third becomes 
too much.

 

On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 9:53 AM, David Burstin  wrote:

I was using Firefox on some machines, but recently moved to Chrome as a 
political statement, not because I love Google but rather because I wanted to 
show my dissatisfaction with Firefox's political correctness/censorship 
<http://readwrite.com/2014/04/03/brendan-eich-mozilla-resigns-ceo#awesm=~oEX2WzjEhsumsR>
 . (And in case you were wondering, I do support marriage equality but even 
more than that I support peoples right to disagree with me. Agree?)

 

On 22 May 2014 11:43, Bec Carter  wrote:

This thread got me wondering if anybody here actually uses a browser other than 
Chrome. By *use* I mean to personally browse and not to just test sites across 
different browsers. Even on my now dead Macbook I used Chrome and just find it 
nicer than Safari or IE.

Just curious :-)

 

 

On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 6:10 PM, noonie  wrote:

Ken,

Different browsers different behaviours and now I know why. Different sites may 
be different user behaviours and I suspect I know why.

Now all I have to figure out is how to "make it go away" because, 
fundamentally, that's all that users want ;-)

-- 
noonie 

On 21/05/2014 3:54 PM, "Ken Schaefer"  wrote:

So you’re using different browsers to access the different sites?

 

What if you swap the browsers around? Does the behaviour follow the browser? Or 
stay with the website? That will probably give you a clue as to whether it’s a 
browser, proxy or website issue.

 

Cheers

Ken

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of noonie
Sent: Wednesday, 21 May 2014 3:29 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: [OT] Copy & Paste from protected Web page

 

Thanks Ken,

 

IE and Chrome behave differently and, as the clipboard is involved here, things 
get even murkier. We're warming up WireShark as I write ;-)

 

-- 
noonie

 

 

 

On 20 May 2014 13:48, Ken Schaefer  wrote:

I’d start by finding out whether the challenge is coming from the proxy server 
or not.

Packet capture on the proxy server can probably help you here, as it should 
show what the proxy server is doing vs. what is coming directly from the web 
server.

 

Cheers

Ken

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of noonie
Sent: Tuesday, 20 May 2014 8:22 AM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: [OT] Copy & Paste from protected Web page

 

Probably not IE as the user agent string is slightly different ending in 
MSOffice 12 which indicates Outlook or Word. It identifies itself as an earlier 
version of IE tahn the version installed as the browser.

 

-- 

noonie

 

On 19 May 2014 19:22,  wrote:

I would assume w

Re: [OT] Browser use

[Bec Carter]

What data and how can/do they use it? Emails? Don't think anybody cares
about my silly emails :-)


On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 12:25 PM,  wrote:

> I use Firefox, Chrome is great but I do not want to support a company that
> is so powerful and use your data what ever way they want.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
> ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Craig van Nieuwkerk
> *Sent:* Thursday, 22 May 2014 12:06 PM
> *To:* ozDotNet
> *Subject:* Re: [OT] Browser use
>
>
>
> I am pretty much with you. I find IE works better with VS so use it for
> most development unless I need to do a lot of client side debugging in
> which case I use Chrome. I then use Chrome for everyday use. I only use
> Firefox for cross browser testing.
>
>
>
> Craig
>
>
>
> On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 12:01 PM, Stephen Price 
> wrote:
>
> I disagree. I think?
>
>
>
> I find I use Chrome and IE. For development it depends what I'm doing. If
> I want to hit a breakpoint in VS then IE does that. If I want to use the
> debugger in the browser then I use Chrome. IE keeps changing their
> Developer tools and even though they are improving I still find Chrome more
> productive for debugging.
>
>
>
> For actual USE I use Chrome for most things but occasionally something
> doesn't work right and I switch. Pluralsite for example seems to hang after
> a while in Chrome. No issues in IE.
>
> Not used Firefox in some years. Toggling between two is fine. A third
> becomes too much.
>
>
>
> On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 9:53 AM, David Burstin 
> wrote:
>
> I was using Firefox on some machines, but recently moved to Chrome as a
> political statement, not because I love Google but rather because I wanted
> to show my dissatisfaction with Firefox's political 
> correctness/censorship<http://readwrite.com/2014/04/03/brendan-eich-mozilla-resigns-ceo#awesm=~oEX2WzjEhsumsR>.
> (And in case you were wondering, I do support marriage equality but even
> more than that I support peoples right to disagree with me. Agree?)
>
>
>
> On 22 May 2014 11:43, Bec Carter  wrote:
>
> This thread got me wondering if anybody here actually uses a browser other
> than Chrome. By *use* I mean to personally browse and not to just test
> sites across different browsers. Even on my now dead Macbook I used Chrome
> and just find it nicer than Safari or IE.
>
> Just curious :-)
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 6:10 PM, noonie  wrote:
>
> Ken,
>
> Different browsers different behaviours and now I know why. Different
> sites may be different user behaviours and I suspect I know why.
>
> Now all I have to figure out is how to "make it go away" because,
> fundamentally, that's all that users want ;-)
>
> --
> noonie
>
> On 21/05/2014 3:54 PM, "Ken Schaefer"  wrote:
>
> So you’re using different browsers to access the different sites?
>
>
>
> What if you swap the browsers around? Does the behaviour follow the
> browser? Or stay with the website? That will probably give you a clue as to
> whether it’s a browser, proxy or website issue.
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Ken
>
>
>
> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
> ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *noonie
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 21 May 2014 3:29 PM
> *To:* ozDotNet
> *Subject:* Re: [OT] Copy & Paste from protected Web page
>
>
>
> Thanks Ken,
>
>
>
> IE and Chrome behave differently and, as the clipboard is involved here,
> things get even murkier. We're warming up WireShark as I write ;-)
>
>
>
> --
> noonie
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 20 May 2014 13:48, Ken Schaefer  wrote:
>
> I’d start by finding out whether the challenge is coming from the proxy
> server or not.
>
> Packet capture on the proxy server can probably help you here, as it
> should show what the proxy server is doing vs. what is coming directly from
> the web server.
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Ken
>
>
>
> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
> ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *noonie
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 20 May 2014 8:22 AM
> *To:* ozDotNet
> *Subject:* Re: [OT] Copy & Paste from protected Web page
>
>
>
> Probably not IE as the user agent string is slightly different ending in
> MSOffice 12 which indicates Outlook or Word. It identifies itself as an
> earlier version of IE tahn the version installed as the browser.
>
>
>
> --
>
> noonie
>
>
>
> On 19 May 2014 19:22,  wrote:
>
> I would assume word is using the IE to grad the urls, hence if you have
> lo

Re: [OT] Browser use

[Stephen Price]

So you would rather support a small non powerful company that uses your
data any way they want?

The underdog so to speak?

Personally, I'd rather use the browser that does everything I want it to
and none of the things I don't. Targeted advertising? Sure I want that. I
*WANT* to see ads for the latest and greatest Tablet or Monitor. I *don't*
want to see tampon ads. Sign me up. Shut up and take my money!

If said company becomes an issue, I'll change. I'm a fickle customer, more
so than they are. I'm using them more than they are using me.


On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 10:25 AM,  wrote:

> I use Firefox, Chrome is great but I do not want to support a company that
> is so powerful and use your data what ever way they want.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
> ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Craig van Nieuwkerk
> *Sent:* Thursday, 22 May 2014 12:06 PM
> *To:* ozDotNet
> *Subject:* Re: [OT] Browser use
>
>
>
> I am pretty much with you. I find IE works better with VS so use it for
> most development unless I need to do a lot of client side debugging in
> which case I use Chrome. I then use Chrome for everyday use. I only use
> Firefox for cross browser testing.
>
>
>
> Craig
>
>
>
> On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 12:01 PM, Stephen Price 
> wrote:
>
> I disagree. I think?
>
>
>
> I find I use Chrome and IE. For development it depends what I'm doing. If
> I want to hit a breakpoint in VS then IE does that. If I want to use the
> debugger in the browser then I use Chrome. IE keeps changing their
> Developer tools and even though they are improving I still find Chrome more
> productive for debugging.
>
>
>
> For actual USE I use Chrome for most things but occasionally something
> doesn't work right and I switch. Pluralsite for example seems to hang after
> a while in Chrome. No issues in IE.
>
> Not used Firefox in some years. Toggling between two is fine. A third
> becomes too much.
>
>
>
> On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 9:53 AM, David Burstin 
> wrote:
>
> I was using Firefox on some machines, but recently moved to Chrome as a
> political statement, not because I love Google but rather because I wanted
> to show my dissatisfaction with Firefox's political 
> correctness/censorship<http://readwrite.com/2014/04/03/brendan-eich-mozilla-resigns-ceo#awesm=~oEX2WzjEhsumsR>.
> (And in case you were wondering, I do support marriage equality but even
> more than that I support peoples right to disagree with me. Agree?)
>
>
>
> On 22 May 2014 11:43, Bec Carter  wrote:
>
> This thread got me wondering if anybody here actually uses a browser other
> than Chrome. By *use* I mean to personally browse and not to just test
> sites across different browsers. Even on my now dead Macbook I used Chrome
> and just find it nicer than Safari or IE.
>
> Just curious :-)
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 6:10 PM, noonie  wrote:
>
> Ken,
>
> Different browsers different behaviours and now I know why. Different
> sites may be different user behaviours and I suspect I know why.
>
> Now all I have to figure out is how to "make it go away" because,
> fundamentally, that's all that users want ;-)
>
> --
> noonie
>
> On 21/05/2014 3:54 PM, "Ken Schaefer"  wrote:
>
> So you’re using different browsers to access the different sites?
>
>
>
> What if you swap the browsers around? Does the behaviour follow the
> browser? Or stay with the website? That will probably give you a clue as to
> whether it’s a browser, proxy or website issue.
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Ken
>
>
>
> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
> ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *noonie
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 21 May 2014 3:29 PM
> *To:* ozDotNet
> *Subject:* Re: [OT] Copy & Paste from protected Web page
>
>
>
> Thanks Ken,
>
>
>
> IE and Chrome behave differently and, as the clipboard is involved here,
> things get even murkier. We're warming up WireShark as I write ;-)
>
>
>
> --
> noonie
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 20 May 2014 13:48, Ken Schaefer  wrote:
>
> I’d start by finding out whether the challenge is coming from the proxy
> server or not.
>
> Packet capture on the proxy server can probably help you here, as it
> should show what the proxy server is doing vs. what is coming directly from
> the web server.
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Ken
>
>
>
> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
> ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *noonie
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 20 May 2014 8:22 AM
> *To:* ozDotNet
> *Su

Re: [OT] Browser use

[osjasonroberts]

I tend to us Firefox for general use - mix of chrome, ffox, ie for dev work






Jason Roberts
Journeyman Software Developer

Twitter: @robertsjason
Blog: http://DontCodeTired.com
Pluralsight Courses: http://bit.ly/psjasonroberts





From: Bec Carter
Sent: ‎Thursday‎, ‎22‎ ‎May‎ ‎2014 ‎9‎:‎43‎ ‎AM
To: ozDotNet





This thread got me wondering if anybody here actually uses a browser other than 
Chrome. By *use* I mean to personally browse and not to just test sites across 
different browsers. Even on my now dead Macbook I used Chrome and just find it 
nicer than Safari or IE.
Just curious :-)





On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 6:10 PM, noonie  wrote:


Ken,

Different browsers different behaviours and now I know why. Different sites may 
be different user behaviours and I suspect I know why.

Now all I have to figure out is how to "make it go away" because, 
fundamentally, that's all that users want ;-)

-- 
noonie 


 
On 21/05/2014 3:54 PM, "Ken Schaefer"  wrote:




So you’re using different browsers to access the different sites?

 

What if you swap the browsers around? Does the behaviour follow the browser? Or 
stay with the website? That will probably give you a clue as to whether it’s a 
browser, proxy or website issue.

 

Cheers

Ken

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of noonie
Sent: Wednesday, 21 May 2014 3:29 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: [OT] Copy & Paste from protected Web page

 


Thanks Ken,


 


IE and Chrome behave differently and, as the clipboard is involved here, things 
get even murkier. We're warming up WireShark as I write ;-)


 


-- 
noonie


 


 


 


On 20 May 2014 13:48, Ken Schaefer  wrote:




I’d start by finding out whether the challenge is coming from the proxy server 
or not.

Packet capture on the proxy server can probably help you here, as it should 
show what the proxy server is doing vs. what is coming directly from the web 
server.

 

Cheers

Ken

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of noonie
Sent: Tuesday, 20 May 2014 8:22 AM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: [OT] Copy & Paste from protected Web page



 


Probably not IE as the user agent string is slightly different ending in 
MSOffice 12 which indicates Outlook or Word. It identifies itself as an earlier 
version of IE tahn the version installed as the browser.


 


-- 


noonie


 


On 19 May 2014 19:22,  wrote:




I would assume word is using the IE to grad the urls, hence if you have logged 
into the website using IE, then word may be aware of this?

 

Just my suggestion…not sure how true it is!

 

 

 


From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of noonie
Sent: Monday, 19 May 2014 6:20 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: [OT] Copy & Paste from protected Web page



 

Greetings,

I'm trying to figure out an issue that a user has reported. When they copy text 
from a Web page into Microsoft Word they are prompted for credentials on one 
site but not on another, similarly configured, site.

Both sites are basic auth over https and both are ASP.net apps with very minor 
differences. The major differences are in their proxy configurations. I can 
understand why credentials are required but not why they seem to be 
automatically offered in one case but not in the other.

Where can I find some documentation about how Windows and Office conspire 
together to grab CSS files so Word can decide what text formatting to offer?

-- 
Regards,
noonie

RE: [OT] Browser use

[Tony Wright]

Use Chrome myself. It simply works better than IE in many cases. That
doesn't particularly mean I support them, especially in light of their
involvement with the NSA. But if the US government wants to expose my porn
viewing to further their agenda in future, well so be it I guess. Ha.
T.

Sent from my Windows Phone
--
From: anthonyatsmall...@mail.com
Sent: 22/05/2014 12:26 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: RE: [OT] Browser use

I use Firefox, Chrome is great but I do not want to support a company that
is so powerful and use your data what ever way they want.







*From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
*On Behalf Of *Craig van Nieuwkerk
*Sent:* Thursday, 22 May 2014 12:06 PM
*To:* ozDotNet
*Subject:* Re: [OT] Browser use



I am pretty much with you. I find IE works better with VS so use it for
most development unless I need to do a lot of client side debugging in
which case I use Chrome. I then use Chrome for everyday use. I only use
Firefox for cross browser testing.



Craig



On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 12:01 PM, Stephen Price 
wrote:

I disagree. I think?



I find I use Chrome and IE. For development it depends what I'm doing. If I
want to hit a breakpoint in VS then IE does that. If I want to use the
debugger in the browser then I use Chrome. IE keeps changing their
Developer tools and even though they are improving I still find Chrome more
productive for debugging.



For actual USE I use Chrome for most things but occasionally something
doesn't work right and I switch. Pluralsite for example seems to hang after
a while in Chrome. No issues in IE.

Not used Firefox in some years. Toggling between two is fine. A third
becomes too much.



On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 9:53 AM, David Burstin 
wrote:

I was using Firefox on some machines, but recently moved to Chrome as a
political statement, not because I love Google but rather because I wanted
to show my dissatisfaction with Firefox's political
correctness/censorship<http://readwrite.com/2014/04/03/brendan-eich-mozilla-resigns-ceo#awesm=~oEX2WzjEhsumsR>.
(And in case you were wondering, I do support marriage equality but even
more than that I support peoples right to disagree with me. Agree?)



On 22 May 2014 11:43, Bec Carter  wrote:

This thread got me wondering if anybody here actually uses a browser other
than Chrome. By *use* I mean to personally browse and not to just test
sites across different browsers. Even on my now dead Macbook I used Chrome
and just find it nicer than Safari or IE.

Just curious :-)





On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 6:10 PM, noonie  wrote:

Ken,

Different browsers different behaviours and now I know why. Different sites
may be different user behaviours and I suspect I know why.

Now all I have to figure out is how to "make it go away" because,
fundamentally, that's all that users want ;-)

-- 
noonie

On 21/05/2014 3:54 PM, "Ken Schaefer"  wrote:

So you’re using different browsers to access the different sites?



What if you swap the browsers around? Does the behaviour follow the
browser? Or stay with the website? That will probably give you a clue as to
whether it’s a browser, proxy or website issue.



Cheers

Ken



*From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
*On Behalf Of *noonie
*Sent:* Wednesday, 21 May 2014 3:29 PM
*To:* ozDotNet
*Subject:* Re: [OT] Copy & Paste from protected Web page



Thanks Ken,



IE and Chrome behave differently and, as the clipboard is involved here,
things get even murkier. We're warming up WireShark as I write ;-)



-- 
noonie







On 20 May 2014 13:48, Ken Schaefer  wrote:

I’d start by finding out whether the challenge is coming from the proxy
server or not.

Packet capture on the proxy server can probably help you here, as it should
show what the proxy server is doing vs. what is coming directly from the
web server.



Cheers

Ken



*From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
*On Behalf Of *noonie
*Sent:* Tuesday, 20 May 2014 8:22 AM
*To:* ozDotNet
*Subject:* Re: [OT] Copy & Paste from protected Web page



Probably not IE as the user agent string is slightly different ending in
MSOffice 12 which indicates Outlook or Word. It identifies itself as an
earlier version of IE tahn the version installed as the browser.



-- 

noonie



On 19 May 2014 19:22,  wrote:

I would assume word is using the IE to grad the urls, hence if you have
logged into the website using IE, then word may be aware of this?



Just my suggestion…not sure how true it is!







*From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
*On Behalf Of *noonie
*Sent:* Monday, 19 May 2014 6:20 PM
*To:* ozDotNet
*Subject:* [OT] Copy & Paste from protected Web page



Greetings,

I'm trying to figure out an issue that a user has reported. When they copy
text from a Web page into Microsoft Word they are prompted f

RE: [OT] Browser use

[anthonyatsmallbiz]

I use Firefox, Chrome is great but I do not want to support a company that is 
so powerful and use your data what ever way they want.

 

 

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Craig van Nieuwkerk
Sent: Thursday, 22 May 2014 12:06 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: [OT] Browser use

 

I am pretty much with you. I find IE works better with VS so use it for most 
development unless I need to do a lot of client side debugging in which case I 
use Chrome. I then use Chrome for everyday use. I only use Firefox for cross 
browser testing.

 

Craig

 

On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 12:01 PM, Stephen Price  
wrote:

I disagree. I think? 

 

I find I use Chrome and IE. For development it depends what I'm doing. If I 
want to hit a breakpoint in VS then IE does that. If I want to use the debugger 
in the browser then I use Chrome. IE keeps changing their Developer tools and 
even though they are improving I still find Chrome more productive for 
debugging. 

 

For actual USE I use Chrome for most things but occasionally something doesn't 
work right and I switch. Pluralsite for example seems to hang after a while in 
Chrome. No issues in IE. 

Not used Firefox in some years. Toggling between two is fine. A third becomes 
too much.

 

On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 9:53 AM, David Burstin  wrote:

I was using Firefox on some machines, but recently moved to Chrome as a 
political statement, not because I love Google but rather because I wanted to 
show my dissatisfaction with Firefox's political correctness/censorship 
<http://readwrite.com/2014/04/03/brendan-eich-mozilla-resigns-ceo#awesm=~oEX2WzjEhsumsR>
 . (And in case you were wondering, I do support marriage equality but even 
more than that I support peoples right to disagree with me. Agree?)

 

On 22 May 2014 11:43, Bec Carter  wrote:

This thread got me wondering if anybody here actually uses a browser other than 
Chrome. By *use* I mean to personally browse and not to just test sites across 
different browsers. Even on my now dead Macbook I used Chrome and just find it 
nicer than Safari or IE.

Just curious :-)

 

 

On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 6:10 PM, noonie  wrote:

Ken,

Different browsers different behaviours and now I know why. Different sites may 
be different user behaviours and I suspect I know why.

Now all I have to figure out is how to "make it go away" because, 
fundamentally, that's all that users want ;-)

-- 
noonie 

On 21/05/2014 3:54 PM, "Ken Schaefer"  wrote:

So you’re using different browsers to access the different sites?

 

What if you swap the browsers around? Does the behaviour follow the browser? Or 
stay with the website? That will probably give you a clue as to whether it’s a 
browser, proxy or website issue.

 

Cheers

Ken

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of noonie
Sent: Wednesday, 21 May 2014 3:29 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: [OT] Copy & Paste from protected Web page

 

Thanks Ken,

 

IE and Chrome behave differently and, as the clipboard is involved here, things 
get even murkier. We're warming up WireShark as I write ;-)

 

-- 
noonie

 

 

 

On 20 May 2014 13:48, Ken Schaefer  wrote:

I’d start by finding out whether the challenge is coming from the proxy server 
or not.

Packet capture on the proxy server can probably help you here, as it should 
show what the proxy server is doing vs. what is coming directly from the web 
server.

 

Cheers

Ken

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of noonie
Sent: Tuesday, 20 May 2014 8:22 AM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: [OT] Copy & Paste from protected Web page

 

Probably not IE as the user agent string is slightly different ending in 
MSOffice 12 which indicates Outlook or Word. It identifies itself as an earlier 
version of IE tahn the version installed as the browser.

 

-- 

noonie

 

On 19 May 2014 19:22,  wrote:

I would assume word is using the IE to grad the urls, hence if you have logged 
into the website using IE, then word may be aware of this?

 

Just my suggestion…not sure how true it is!

 

 

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of noonie
Sent: Monday, 19 May 2014 6:20 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: [OT] Copy & Paste from protected Web page

 

Greetings,

I'm trying to figure out an issue that a user has reported. When they copy text 
from a Web page into Microsoft Word they are prompted for credentials on one 
site but not on another, similarly configured, site.

Both sites are basic auth over https and both are ASP.net apps with very minor 
differences. The major differences are in their proxy configurations. I can 
understand why credentials are required but not why they seem to be 
automatically offered in one case but not in the other.

Where can I find some documentation about how Windows and Offi

Re: [OT] Browser use

[Craig van Nieuwkerk]

I am pretty much with you. I find IE works better with VS so use it for
most development unless I need to do a lot of client side debugging in
which case I use Chrome. I then use Chrome for everyday use. I only use
Firefox for cross browser testing.

Craig


On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 12:01 PM, Stephen Price
wrote:

> I disagree. I think?
>
> I find I use Chrome and IE. For development it depends what I'm doing. If
> I want to hit a breakpoint in VS then IE does that. If I want to use the
> debugger in the browser then I use Chrome. IE keeps changing their
> Developer tools and even though they are improving I still find Chrome more
> productive for debugging.
>
> For actual USE I use Chrome for most things but occasionally something
> doesn't work right and I switch. Pluralsite for example seems to hang after
> a while in Chrome. No issues in IE.
> Not used Firefox in some years. Toggling between two is fine. A third
> becomes too much.
>
>
> On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 9:53 AM, David Burstin wrote:
>
>> I was using Firefox on some machines, but recently moved to Chrome as a
>> political statement, not because I love Google but rather because I wanted
>> to show my dissatisfaction with Firefox's political
>> correctness/censorship.
>> (And in case you were wondering, I do support marriage equality but even
>> more than that I support peoples right to disagree with me. Agree?)
>>
>>
>> On 22 May 2014 11:43, Bec Carter  wrote:
>>
>>> This thread got me wondering if anybody here actually uses a browser
>>> other than Chrome. By *use* I mean to personally browse and not to just
>>> test sites across different browsers. Even on my now dead Macbook I used
>>> Chrome and just find it nicer than Safari or IE.
>>> Just curious :-)
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 6:10 PM, noonie  wrote:
>>>
 Ken,

 Different browsers different behaviours and now I know why. Different
 sites may be different user behaviours and I suspect I know why.

 Now all I have to figure out is how to "make it go away" because,
 fundamentally, that's all that users want ;-)

 --
 noonie
 On 21/05/2014 3:54 PM, "Ken Schaefer"  wrote:

>  So you’re using different browsers to access the different sites?
>
>
>
> What if you swap the browsers around? Does the behaviour follow the
> browser? Or stay with the website? That will probably give you a clue as 
> to
> whether it’s a browser, proxy or website issue.
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Ken
>
>
>
> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
> ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *noonie
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 21 May 2014 3:29 PM
> *To:* ozDotNet
> *Subject:* Re: [OT] Copy & Paste from protected Web page
>
>
>
> Thanks Ken,
>
>
>
> IE and Chrome behave differently and, as the clipboard is involved
> here, things get even murkier. We're warming up WireShark as I write ;-)
>
>
>
> --
> noonie
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 20 May 2014 13:48, Ken Schaefer  wrote:
>
>  I’d start by finding out whether the challenge is coming from the
> proxy server or not.
>
> Packet capture on the proxy server can probably help you here, as it
> should show what the proxy server is doing vs. what is coming directly 
> from
> the web server.
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Ken
>
>
>
> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
> ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *noonie
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 20 May 2014 8:22 AM
> *To:* ozDotNet
> *Subject:* Re: [OT] Copy & Paste from protected Web page
>
>
>
> Probably not IE as the user agent string is slightly different ending
> in MSOffice 12 which indicates Outlook or Word. It identifies itself as an
> earlier version of IE tahn the version installed as the browser.
>
>
>
> --
>
> noonie
>
>
>
> On 19 May 2014 19:22,  wrote:
>
>  I would assume word is using the IE to grad the urls, hence if you
> have logged into the website using IE, then word may be aware of this?
>
>
>
> Just my suggestion…not sure how true it is!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
> ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *noonie
> *Sent:* Monday, 19 May 2014 6:20 PM
> *To:* ozDotNet
> *Subject:* [OT] Copy & Paste from protected Web page
>
>
>
> Greetings,
>
> I'm trying to figure out an issue that a user has reported. When they
> copy text from a Web page into Microsoft Word they are prompted for
> credentials on one site but not on another, similarly configured, site.
>
> Both sites are basic auth over https and both are AS

Re: [OT] Browser use

[David Burstin]

I totally agree with Stephen.

I use Chrome for surfing and for dev. Will occassionally use IE if
something is not working well in Chrome, although it is pretty rare these
days that IE will work where Chrome doesn't.


On 22 May 2014 12:01, Stephen Price  wrote:

> I disagree. I think?
>
> I find I use Chrome and IE. For development it depends what I'm doing. If
> I want to hit a breakpoint in VS then IE does that. If I want to use the
> debugger in the browser then I use Chrome. IE keeps changing their
> Developer tools and even though they are improving I still find Chrome more
> productive for debugging.
>
> For actual USE I use Chrome for most things but occasionally something
> doesn't work right and I switch. Pluralsite for example seems to hang after
> a while in Chrome. No issues in IE.
> Not used Firefox in some years. Toggling between two is fine. A third
> becomes too much.
>
>
> On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 9:53 AM, David Burstin wrote:
>
>> I was using Firefox on some machines, but recently moved to Chrome as a
>> political statement, not because I love Google but rather because I wanted
>> to show my dissatisfaction with Firefox's political
>> correctness/censorship.
>> (And in case you were wondering, I do support marriage equality but even
>> more than that I support peoples right to disagree with me. Agree?)
>>
>>
>> On 22 May 2014 11:43, Bec Carter  wrote:
>>
>>> This thread got me wondering if anybody here actually uses a browser
>>> other than Chrome. By *use* I mean to personally browse and not to just
>>> test sites across different browsers. Even on my now dead Macbook I used
>>> Chrome and just find it nicer than Safari or IE.
>>> Just curious :-)
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 6:10 PM, noonie  wrote:
>>>
 Ken,

 Different browsers different behaviours and now I know why. Different
 sites may be different user behaviours and I suspect I know why.

 Now all I have to figure out is how to "make it go away" because,
 fundamentally, that's all that users want ;-)

 --
 noonie
 On 21/05/2014 3:54 PM, "Ken Schaefer"  wrote:

>  So you’re using different browsers to access the different sites?
>
>
>
> What if you swap the browsers around? Does the behaviour follow the
> browser? Or stay with the website? That will probably give you a clue as 
> to
> whether it’s a browser, proxy or website issue.
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Ken
>
>
>
> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
> ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *noonie
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 21 May 2014 3:29 PM
> *To:* ozDotNet
> *Subject:* Re: [OT] Copy & Paste from protected Web page
>
>
>
> Thanks Ken,
>
>
>
> IE and Chrome behave differently and, as the clipboard is involved
> here, things get even murkier. We're warming up WireShark as I write ;-)
>
>
>
> --
> noonie
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 20 May 2014 13:48, Ken Schaefer  wrote:
>
>  I’d start by finding out whether the challenge is coming from the
> proxy server or not.
>
> Packet capture on the proxy server can probably help you here, as it
> should show what the proxy server is doing vs. what is coming directly 
> from
> the web server.
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Ken
>
>
>
> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
> ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *noonie
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 20 May 2014 8:22 AM
> *To:* ozDotNet
> *Subject:* Re: [OT] Copy & Paste from protected Web page
>
>
>
> Probably not IE as the user agent string is slightly different ending
> in MSOffice 12 which indicates Outlook or Word. It identifies itself as an
> earlier version of IE tahn the version installed as the browser.
>
>
>
> --
>
> noonie
>
>
>
> On 19 May 2014 19:22,  wrote:
>
>  I would assume word is using the IE to grad the urls, hence if you
> have logged into the website using IE, then word may be aware of this?
>
>
>
> Just my suggestion…not sure how true it is!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
> ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *noonie
> *Sent:* Monday, 19 May 2014 6:20 PM
> *To:* ozDotNet
> *Subject:* [OT] Copy & Paste from protected Web page
>
>
>
> Greetings,
>
> I'm trying to figure out an issue that a user has reported. When they
> copy text from a Web page into Microsoft Word they are prompted for
> credentials on one site but not on another, similarly configured, site.
>
> Both sites are basic auth over https and both are ASP.net apps with
> very minor differences. The m

Re: [OT] Browser use

[Stephen Price]

I disagree. I think?

I find I use Chrome and IE. For development it depends what I'm doing. If I
want to hit a breakpoint in VS then IE does that. If I want to use the
debugger in the browser then I use Chrome. IE keeps changing their
Developer tools and even though they are improving I still find Chrome more
productive for debugging.

For actual USE I use Chrome for most things but occasionally something
doesn't work right and I switch. Pluralsite for example seems to hang after
a while in Chrome. No issues in IE.
Not used Firefox in some years. Toggling between two is fine. A third
becomes too much.


On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 9:53 AM, David Burstin wrote:

> I was using Firefox on some machines, but recently moved to Chrome as a
> political statement, not because I love Google but rather because I wanted
> to show my dissatisfaction with Firefox's political 
> correctness/censorship.
> (And in case you were wondering, I do support marriage equality but even
> more than that I support peoples right to disagree with me. Agree?)
>
>
> On 22 May 2014 11:43, Bec Carter  wrote:
>
>> This thread got me wondering if anybody here actually uses a browser
>> other than Chrome. By *use* I mean to personally browse and not to just
>> test sites across different browsers. Even on my now dead Macbook I used
>> Chrome and just find it nicer than Safari or IE.
>> Just curious :-)
>>
>>
>> On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 6:10 PM, noonie  wrote:
>>
>>> Ken,
>>>
>>> Different browsers different behaviours and now I know why. Different
>>> sites may be different user behaviours and I suspect I know why.
>>>
>>> Now all I have to figure out is how to "make it go away" because,
>>> fundamentally, that's all that users want ;-)
>>>
>>> --
>>> noonie
>>> On 21/05/2014 3:54 PM, "Ken Schaefer"  wrote:
>>>
  So you’re using different browsers to access the different sites?



 What if you swap the browsers around? Does the behaviour follow the
 browser? Or stay with the website? That will probably give you a clue as to
 whether it’s a browser, proxy or website issue.



 Cheers

 Ken



 *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
 ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *noonie
 *Sent:* Wednesday, 21 May 2014 3:29 PM
 *To:* ozDotNet
 *Subject:* Re: [OT] Copy & Paste from protected Web page



 Thanks Ken,



 IE and Chrome behave differently and, as the clipboard is involved
 here, things get even murkier. We're warming up WireShark as I write ;-)



 --
 noonie







 On 20 May 2014 13:48, Ken Schaefer  wrote:

  I’d start by finding out whether the challenge is coming from the
 proxy server or not.

 Packet capture on the proxy server can probably help you here, as it
 should show what the proxy server is doing vs. what is coming directly from
 the web server.



 Cheers

 Ken



 *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
 ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *noonie
 *Sent:* Tuesday, 20 May 2014 8:22 AM
 *To:* ozDotNet
 *Subject:* Re: [OT] Copy & Paste from protected Web page



 Probably not IE as the user agent string is slightly different ending
 in MSOffice 12 which indicates Outlook or Word. It identifies itself as an
 earlier version of IE tahn the version installed as the browser.



 --

 noonie



 On 19 May 2014 19:22,  wrote:

  I would assume word is using the IE to grad the urls, hence if you
 have logged into the website using IE, then word may be aware of this?



 Just my suggestion…not sure how true it is!







 *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
 ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *noonie
 *Sent:* Monday, 19 May 2014 6:20 PM
 *To:* ozDotNet
 *Subject:* [OT] Copy & Paste from protected Web page



 Greetings,

 I'm trying to figure out an issue that a user has reported. When they
 copy text from a Web page into Microsoft Word they are prompted for
 credentials on one site but not on another, similarly configured, site.

 Both sites are basic auth over https and both are ASP.net apps with
 very minor differences. The major differences are in their proxy
 configurations. I can understand why credentials are required but not why
 they seem to be automatically offered in one case but not in the other.

 Where can I find some documentation about how Windows and Office
 conspire together to grab CSS files so Word can decide what text formatting
 to offer?

 --
 Regards,
 noonie





>>>
>>
>

Re: [OT] Browser use

[David Connors]

On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 11:53 AM, David Burstin wrote:

> I was using Firefox on some machines, but recently moved to Chrome as a
> political statement, not because I love Google but rather because I wanted
> to show my dissatisfaction with Firefox's political 
> correctness/censorship.
> (And in case you were wondering, I do support marriage equality but even
> more than that I support peoples right to disagree with me. Agree?)
>

Here comes a shitstorm. [?]

David.

Re: [OT] Browser use

[David Burstin]

I was using Firefox on some machines, but recently moved to Chrome as a
political statement, not because I love Google but rather because I wanted
to show my dissatisfaction with Firefox's political
correctness/censorship.
(And in case you were wondering, I do support marriage equality but even
more than that I support peoples right to disagree with me. Agree?)


On 22 May 2014 11:43, Bec Carter  wrote:

> This thread got me wondering if anybody here actually uses a browser other
> than Chrome. By *use* I mean to personally browse and not to just test
> sites across different browsers. Even on my now dead Macbook I used Chrome
> and just find it nicer than Safari or IE.
> Just curious :-)
>
>
> On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 6:10 PM, noonie  wrote:
>
>> Ken,
>>
>> Different browsers different behaviours and now I know why. Different
>> sites may be different user behaviours and I suspect I know why.
>>
>> Now all I have to figure out is how to "make it go away" because,
>> fundamentally, that's all that users want ;-)
>>
>> --
>> noonie
>> On 21/05/2014 3:54 PM, "Ken Schaefer"  wrote:
>>
>>>  So you’re using different browsers to access the different sites?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> What if you swap the browsers around? Does the behaviour follow the
>>> browser? Or stay with the website? That will probably give you a clue as to
>>> whether it’s a browser, proxy or website issue.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>> Ken
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
>>> ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *noonie
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, 21 May 2014 3:29 PM
>>> *To:* ozDotNet
>>> *Subject:* Re: [OT] Copy & Paste from protected Web page
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks Ken,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> IE and Chrome behave differently and, as the clipboard is involved here,
>>> things get even murkier. We're warming up WireShark as I write ;-)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> noonie
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 20 May 2014 13:48, Ken Schaefer  wrote:
>>>
>>>  I’d start by finding out whether the challenge is coming from the
>>> proxy server or not.
>>>
>>> Packet capture on the proxy server can probably help you here, as it
>>> should show what the proxy server is doing vs. what is coming directly from
>>> the web server.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>> Ken
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
>>> ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *noonie
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, 20 May 2014 8:22 AM
>>> *To:* ozDotNet
>>> *Subject:* Re: [OT] Copy & Paste from protected Web page
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Probably not IE as the user agent string is slightly different ending in
>>> MSOffice 12 which indicates Outlook or Word. It identifies itself as an
>>> earlier version of IE tahn the version installed as the browser.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> noonie
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 19 May 2014 19:22,  wrote:
>>>
>>>  I would assume word is using the IE to grad the urls, hence if you
>>> have logged into the website using IE, then word may be aware of this?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Just my suggestion…not sure how true it is!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
>>> ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *noonie
>>> *Sent:* Monday, 19 May 2014 6:20 PM
>>> *To:* ozDotNet
>>> *Subject:* [OT] Copy & Paste from protected Web page
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Greetings,
>>>
>>> I'm trying to figure out an issue that a user has reported. When they
>>> copy text from a Web page into Microsoft Word they are prompted for
>>> credentials on one site but not on another, similarly configured, site.
>>>
>>> Both sites are basic auth over https and both are ASP.net apps with very
>>> minor differences. The major differences are in their proxy configurations.
>>> I can understand why credentials are required but not why they seem to be
>>> automatically offered in one case but not in the other.
>>>
>>> Where can I find some documentation about how Windows and Office
>>> conspire together to grab CSS files so Word can decide what text formatting
>>> to offer?
>>>
>>> --
>>> Regards,
>>> noonie
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>

[OT] Browser use

[Bec Carter]

This thread got me wondering if anybody here actually uses a browser other
than Chrome. By *use* I mean to personally browse and not to just test
sites across different browsers. Even on my now dead Macbook I used Chrome
and just find it nicer than Safari or IE.
Just curious :-)


On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 6:10 PM, noonie  wrote:

> Ken,
>
> Different browsers different behaviours and now I know why. Different
> sites may be different user behaviours and I suspect I know why.
>
> Now all I have to figure out is how to "make it go away" because,
> fundamentally, that's all that users want ;-)
>
> --
> noonie
> On 21/05/2014 3:54 PM, "Ken Schaefer"  wrote:
>
>>  So you’re using different browsers to access the different sites?
>>
>>
>>
>> What if you swap the browsers around? Does the behaviour follow the
>> browser? Or stay with the website? That will probably give you a clue as to
>> whether it’s a browser, proxy or website issue.
>>
>>
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Ken
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
>> ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *noonie
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, 21 May 2014 3:29 PM
>> *To:* ozDotNet
>> *Subject:* Re: [OT] Copy & Paste from protected Web page
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks Ken,
>>
>>
>>
>> IE and Chrome behave differently and, as the clipboard is involved here,
>> things get even murkier. We're warming up WireShark as I write ;-)
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> noonie
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 20 May 2014 13:48, Ken Schaefer  wrote:
>>
>>  I’d start by finding out whether the challenge is coming from the proxy
>> server or not.
>>
>> Packet capture on the proxy server can probably help you here, as it
>> should show what the proxy server is doing vs. what is coming directly from
>> the web server.
>>
>>
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Ken
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
>> ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *noonie
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, 20 May 2014 8:22 AM
>> *To:* ozDotNet
>> *Subject:* Re: [OT] Copy & Paste from protected Web page
>>
>>
>>
>> Probably not IE as the user agent string is slightly different ending in
>> MSOffice 12 which indicates Outlook or Word. It identifies itself as an
>> earlier version of IE tahn the version installed as the browser.
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> noonie
>>
>>
>>
>> On 19 May 2014 19:22,  wrote:
>>
>>  I would assume word is using the IE to grad the urls, hence if you have
>> logged into the website using IE, then word may be aware of this?
>>
>>
>>
>> Just my suggestion…not sure how true it is!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
>> ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *noonie
>> *Sent:* Monday, 19 May 2014 6:20 PM
>> *To:* ozDotNet
>> *Subject:* [OT] Copy & Paste from protected Web page
>>
>>
>>
>> Greetings,
>>
>> I'm trying to figure out an issue that a user has reported. When they
>> copy text from a Web page into Microsoft Word they are prompted for
>> credentials on one site but not on another, similarly configured, site.
>>
>> Both sites are basic auth over https and both are ASP.net apps with very
>> minor differences. The major differences are in their proxy configurations.
>> I can understand why credentials are required but not why they seem to be
>> automatically offered in one case but not in the other.
>>
>> Where can I find some documentation about how Windows and Office conspire
>> together to grab CSS files so Word can decide what text formatting to offer?
>>
>> --
>> Regards,
>> noonie
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>