Re: Cheapest way to get VS2010 Professional?
I'm glad you qualified which version of VS2010 is stable, because your claim sure doesn't apply to VS2010 Express, which I could get to crash pretty easily when I tried it out on a simple app. Haven't tried VS2010Pro but I'll stick to my VS2008Pro for a little while yet, thanks :) Steve. -Original Message- From: Grant Maw [grant@gmail.com] Date: 05/06/2010 06:51 AM To: ozDotNet ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com Subject: Re: Cheapest way to get VS2010 Professional? What is the *single* most exciting thing about it? For me, its the stability. Ive been using it since it came out and Ive not yet been able to make it crash. Previous versions would crash several times per day for me. Apart from that, the database tools are a big improvement over previous versions. This is, seriously, the BEST edition of VS that I have ever used. Lots of little things all add up to make a great dev experience. Previous versions were all like death by a thousand cuts because of all the little annoyances. Most of these have been removed. If you are able to, upgrade today. Youll thank yourself for it. If you can add Resharper 5, even better. Grant
Re: Cheapest way to get VS2010 Professional?
Which OS are you running under? I ran 2010 Betas and RCs under Vista and Win7 without issue for months but now I'm using the RC under XP and it is shockingly annoying. Most of the time the editor and tool windows fail to refresh (including intellisense not showing up/what I'm typing not appearing until i've scrolled off and back again). This gets significantly worse when running in debug mode. To be fair this is the RC and not the final release and I do have other plugins and stuff installed so this issue might go away when I finally update to the release version. If not then I would not recommend VS2010 to people still running XP. (To be fair I wouldn't recommend running XP any more either). I love VS2010 so I hope this is a pretty isolated experience. On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 2:46 PM, ste...@malikoff.com ste...@malikoff.comwrote: I'm glad you qualified which version of VS2010 is stable, because your claim sure doesn't apply to VS2010 Express, which I could get to crash pretty easily when I tried it out on a simple app. Haven't tried VS2010Pro but I'll stick to my VS2008Pro for a little while yet, thanks :) Steve. -Original Message- From: Grant Maw [grant@gmail.com] Date: 05/06/2010 06:51 AM To: ozDotNet ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com Subject: Re: Cheapest way to get VS2010 Professional? What is the *single* most exciting thing about it? For me, its the stability. Ive been using it since it came out and Ive not yet been able to make it crash. Previous versions would crash several times per day for me. Apart from that, the database tools are a big improvement over previous versions. This is, seriously, the BEST edition of VS that I have ever used. Lots of little things all add up to make a great dev experience. Previous versions were all like death by a thousand cuts because of all the little annoyances. Most of these have been removed. If you are able to, upgrade today. Youll thank yourself for it. If you can add Resharper 5, even better. Grant -- Michael M. Minutillo Indiscriminate Information Sponge Blog: http://wolfbyte-net.blogspot.com
RE: Cheapest way to get VS2010 Professional?
Good timing on this subject, as I was at a meeting this morning where we discussed how to manage multiple databases that are slowly diverging from each other and we have to stop this happening in a reliable way. We don't have a dedicated DBA, just 3 developers all doing mixed tasks. We traditionally sent each other scripts to modify different DBs, but no matter how hard you try, they still diverge and things may happen in the wrong order and waste time. So we used RedGate to compare DBs and tell us how we had diverged and how to get the schemas back in sync again. I was never happy with this and I tried to convince the others that we need a master script to create the real DB and standard enum rows and a similar tool to migrate data from a known base DB version. One of our blokes has finally done the right thing, and after long hours of concentration has made master scripts to create and load DBs. We still find it's a nuisance that you can't manage DB scripts in version control as smoothly as you can with source code. Where is the source of truth for a database? It's not one of the DBs themselves, it's the script that makes the DB. DB compare tools should be for sanity/safety checks, not for primary guidance in DB development. Greg
Re: RE: Cheapest way to get VS2010 Professional?
The crux of the problem is that DBMSs aren't version friendly. In fact they aren't developer friendly. On May 7, 2010 2:17 PM, Greg Keogh g...@mira.net wrote: Good timing on this subject, as I was at a meeting this morning where we discussed how to manage multiple databases that are slowly diverging from each other and we have to stop this happening in a reliable way. We don’t have a dedicated DBA, just 3 developers all doing mixed tasks. We traditionally sent each other scripts to modify different DBs, but no matter how hard you try, they still diverge and things may happen in the wrong order and waste time. So we used RedGate to compare DBs and tell us how we had diverged and how to get the schemas back in sync again. I was never happy with this and I tried to convince the others that we need a master script to create the real DB and standard enum rows and a similar tool to migrate data from a known base DB version. One of our blokes has finally done the right thing, and after long hours of concentration has made master scripts to create and load DBs. We still find it’s a nuisance that you can’t manage DB scripts in version control as smoothly as you can with source code. Where is the “source of truth” for a database? It’s not one of the DBs themselves, it’s the script that makes the DB. DB compare tools should be for sanity/safety checks, not for primary guidance in DB development. Greg
Re: Cheapest way to get VS2010 Professional?
On 5 May 2010 10:10, Arjang Assadi arjang.ass...@gmail.com wrote: BizSpark, DreamSpark, what about Tony Stark? :) No seriously what is the cheapest way to get it, client won't be paying for it so it will be coming out of me own pocket. I just can't do without at least VS2010 Professional. Anyone knows of any schemes, e.g. wearing VS2010 TShirt + Hat for a year everyday to get a discount? Hope VS2010 Jumber is included for winter! Your colleagues may want you to wash it before the year is up :^) Hell I testify to nonbelivers how VS2010 has made programmig fun again. How? WHat is the *single* most exciting thing about it? Any ideas? Thank you Regards Arjang -- Meski Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure, you'll get it, but it's going to be rough - Adam Hills
Re: Cheapest way to get VS2010 Professional?
*What is the *single* most exciting thing about it?* For me, it's the stability. I've been using it since it came out and I've not yet been able to make it crash. Previous versions would crash several times per day for me. Apart from that, the database tools are a big improvement over previous versions. This is, seriously, the BEST edition of VS that I have ever used. Lots of little things all add up to make a great dev experience. Previous versions were all like death by a thousand cuts because of all the little annoyances. Most of these have been removed. If you are able to, upgrade today. You'll thank yourself for it. If you can add Resharper 5, even better. Grant
RE: Cheapest way to get VS2010 Professional?
If you are buying R# 5.0 it is compatible with VS 2008 and VS 2010 (although there are separate downloads), so no worries there. I'm assuming the R# 4.0 in the last sentence is a typo. If you are unsure you can try R# 5.0 for 30 days free (with VS 2008 and/or VS 2010) and if you like it then buy it and just plug in the registration key and keep going. Ben From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Greg Keogh Sent: Thursday, 6 May 2010 6:03 AM To: 'ozDotNet' Subject: RE: Cheapest way to get VS2010 Professional? If you are able to, upgrade today. You'll thank yourself for it. If you can add Resharper 5, even better. This reminds me ... I'm poised to buy R# 5.0 after reports in here last week that years of stability problems are generally solved. But now I'll be upgrading to VS2010 in the near future, so can anyone assure me that R# 4.0 and VS2010 play well together. Greg This email is intended for the named recipient only. The information it contains may be confidential or commercially sensitive. If you are not the intended recipient you must not reproduce or distribute any part of this email, disclose its contents to any other party, or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the message from your computer.
Re: Cheapest way to get VS2010 Professional?
Hi Grant, What database tools are you talking about? I was happy about stability and new features in the editor, now I have to chase up the database tools! any links about them? Mike, For a look at good stuff in VS2010 check out http://blogs.msdn.com/zainnab/default.aspx Regards Arjang On 6 May 2010 06:51, Grant Maw grant@gmail.com wrote: What is the *single* most exciting thing about it? For me, it's the stability. I've been using it since it came out and I've not yet been able to make it crash. Previous versions would crash several times per day for me. Apart from that, the database tools are a big improvement over previous versions. This is, seriously, the BEST edition of VS that I have ever used. Lots of little things all add up to make a great dev experience. Previous versions were all like death by a thousand cuts because of all the little annoyances. Most of these have been removed. If you are able to, upgrade today. You'll thank yourself for it. If you can add Resharper 5, even better. Grant
RE: Cheapest way to get VS2010 Professional?
BizSpark -Original Message- From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Arjang Assadi Sent: Wednesday, 5 May 2010 10:11 AM To: ozDotNet Subject: Cheapest way to get VS2010 Professional? BizSpark, DreamSpark, what about Tony Stark? :) No seriously what is the cheapest way to get it, client won't be paying for it so it will be coming out of me own pocket. I just can't do without at least VS2010 Professional. Anyone knows of any schemes, e.g. wearing VS2010 TShirt + Hat for a year everyday to get a discount? Hope VS2010 Jumber is included for winter! Hell I testify to nonbelivers how VS2010 has made programmig fun again. Any ideas? Thank you Regards Arjang
