Re: Silverlight on Windows 8
The answer is appoint a dev to replace Ballmer. David, are you keen on applying? (I can't believe I did that) Mike On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 2:47 PM, Katherine Moss katherine.m...@gordon.eduwrote: If .NET dies, then I’m leaving. See you over at Novell HQ. LOL ** ** *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Scott Barnes *Sent:* Wednesday, August 28, 2013 12:36 AM *To:* ozDotNet *Subject:* Re: Silverlight on Windows 8 ** ** Did someone say Microsoft pile on :D ** ** Notes so far: ** ** * Silverlight strategy shifted away from breadth to depth (Windows 8 only). Thus discontinued. ** ** * Blend discontinued and strategy shifted back to depth developer ONLY engagement models. Assume any designer integration for future lifecycle development will happen in the same workflow / process as HTML5 solution delivery happens today (me designer hand you developer design, you developer screw up me designer work, me designer compromise, we all happy .. the end). ** ** * Rename the entire .NET UX namespace(s) to ensure that no backwards compatibility outside the Portable Class Library will exist going forward thus adding a forcing function on developers to write new code and not bring old into the new. Some XAML code may be brought forward but with conditions applied. ** ** * Release a brand new SDK for Windows 8 developers but ensure anyone on Windows 7 cannot write or deploy code that makes use of this said codebase. Ensure that by doing this a forcing function around Windows 8 adoption not only occurs at the consumer level but also developer(s) as well (given how great developer relations have been to date, this will work out brilliantly). ** ** * Create uncertainty in the market around what developers should and shouldn't be doing with their future bets, do not spend energy or time reminding developers that so long as Windows XP, Windows 7 and Windows 8 exist so will WPF and Silverlight. Encourage HTML5/JS or C++/XAML adoption but offer no up-skilling or transition program(s) for pre-existing user base to move across other than Evangelists doing PowerPoint demos on Look i made a game using Windows 8's Internet Explorer ** ** * After 20yrs stop giving MSDN subscribers access to Windows RTM's and instead make them wait months after RTM for access outside of buying the said product or hitting thepiratebay torrent sites for access. Thus giving only real benefit or analysing actual adoption number(s) which in turn would reduce future ubiquity metric inflation .. honest.. but developers won't get to see as many 8.1 deployments as they need to thus the psychology of ubiquity plays out much in the way Silverlight on the web did when it first existed I'll write code another time, maybe when everyone has a bigger install base ** ** * Hold back on Deploying Silverlight through Windows Update as needed item despite the Consent Decree expiration which in turn lifts the only argument the company faced around doing this. Thus reducing any chance of a ~90% or more ubiquity success in Windows marketshare and also creating a developer relations bridge between Goodwill, keep adopting XAML/C# and Go jump in the HTML5 pool despite all the kids that have constantly pee'd in before you're initial jump ** ** * Highlight yet again how Scott Guthrie's influence over a complex problem such as Windows Azure has made a lot of gains despite the odds being stacked against them. Ensure all marketing talent that have to react to said technical work do everything they can to deter adoption from occurring. ** ** :D ** ** Yeah its a bit of kick the sick puppy moment but I look back on the last 2-3 years and I shake my head... technically nothing really is a problem persay in that people aren't shaking their fists and arguing over what technically is offer they are merely arguing over two sets of problems - Why are you not letting this piece of technical work over here work with that over there and why do i feel alone in my adoption choices more and more... ** ** Australia once had the highest SAT levels for .NET adoption.. i'd be curious to see what that data looks like today :D ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** --- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.riagenic.com ** ** On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 1:16 PM, David Kean david.k...@microsoft.com wrote: At release, only certain sites were allowed to use flash. They backed down on that and opened it up to all sites based on telemetry. *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Stephen Price *Sent:* Tuesday, August 27, 2013 8:10 PM *To:* ozDotNet *Subject:* Re: Silverlight on Windows 8 Seriously? What happened to the No Plug ins ??? Wow. Microsoft, you really
Re: Silverlight on Windows 8
Greg, Windows 8 IE browser (the full screen metro one) does not support plugins. So no Silverlight, no Flash etc. It's more commonly known as a Silverlight Coup de grâce. Enjoy. On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 8:57 AM, Greg Keogh g...@mira.net wrote: Folks, I'm getting a weird conflict running Silverlight 5 apps on Windows 8. In the Metro shell's browser it knows I don't have SL5 installed on the first visit and asks me to install a file (with x64 in the name). It then flips over to the old shell and installs the file okay. Now SL5 is working in IE10 in the old shell, but the Metro browser keeps asking me to install Silverlight over and over, and if you do it says another version is already installed. So there is a catch-22 dead-end. Some web searches hint that SL5 is not supported in the Windows 8 Metro browser. I could not believe this would be true. Is it, or am I missing some trick? Greg
RE: Silverlight on Windows 8
I thought it does support flash |-Original Message- |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Price |Sent: Wednesday, 28 August 2013 11:31 AM |To: ozDotNet |Subject: Re: Silverlight on Windows 8 | |Greg, |Windows 8 IE browser (the full screen metro one) does not support plugins. So no |Silverlight, no Flash etc. | |It's more commonly known as a Silverlight Coup de grâce. | |Enjoy. | | |On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 8:57 AM, Greg Keogh g...@mira.net wrote: | | | Folks, I'm getting a weird conflict running Silverlight 5 apps on Windows |8. In the Metro shell's browser it knows I don't have SL5 installed on the first visit |and asks me to install a file (with x64 in the name). It then flips over to the old |shell and installs the file okay. Now SL5 is working in IE10 in the old shell, but the |Metro browser keeps asking me to install Silverlight over and over, and if you do |it says another version is already installed. | | So there is a catch-22 dead-end. Some web searches hint that SL5 is not |supported in the Windows 8 Metro browser. I could not believe this would be |true. Is it, or am I missing some trick? | | | Greg |
RE: Silverlight on Windows 8
Yep. Supports flash but not Silverlight. On 28 Aug 2013 11:40, Bill McCarthy bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au wrote: I thought it does support flash |-Original Message- |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Price |Sent: Wednesday, 28 August 2013 11:31 AM |To: ozDotNet |Subject: Re: Silverlight on Windows 8 | |Greg, |Windows 8 IE browser (the full screen metro one) does not support plugins. So no |Silverlight, no Flash etc. | |It's more commonly known as a Silverlight Coup de grâce. | |Enjoy. | | |On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 8:57 AM, Greg Keogh g...@mira.net wrote: | | | Folks, I'm getting a weird conflict running Silverlight 5 apps on Windows |8. In the Metro shell's browser it knows I don't have SL5 installed on the first visit |and asks me to install a file (with x64 in the name). It then flips over to the old |shell and installs the file okay. Now SL5 is working in IE10 in the old shell, but the |Metro browser keeps asking me to install Silverlight over and over, and if you do |it says another version is already installed. | | So there is a catch-22 dead-end. Some web searches hint that SL5 is not |supported in the Windows 8 Metro browser. I could not believe this would be |true. Is it, or am I missing some trick? | | | Greg |
Re: Silverlight on Windows 8
Yep. Supports flash but not Silverlight. Jumpin' heck, I must have missed that news. That's really weird, surprising, irritating and it's bad for business. I actually wanted to see my SL5 app running in Win8 metro to find out if it would inherit the flat appearance, but of course I never reached that point. The SL5 app does not have any style overrides and some customers complained that it had the old Win7 look and wasn't sexy enough. Apparently they want the app to have the flat pastel borderless look now popular in Metro and phones. So now I've got to figure out how to give them an option for the default or flattened appearance. I've not needed to skin an SL5 app before, so I'd be keen to hear from anyone who has advice on how to switch skins with minimum suffering. I'll read some books and articles in the meantime. Greg
RE: Silverlight on Windows 8
Yep just checked on my Surface RT, and flash works both in the modern UI and desktop versions. Silverlight will not install at all on Windows RT |-Original Message- |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Cooney |Sent: Wednesday, 28 August 2013 11:43 AM |To: ozDotNet |Subject: RE: Silverlight on Windows 8 | |Yep. Supports flash but not Silverlight. | |On 28 Aug 2013 11:40, Bill McCarthy bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au wrote: | | | I thought it does support flash | | |-Original Message- | |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- | |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Price | |Sent: Wednesday, 28 August 2013 11:31 AM | |To: ozDotNet | |Subject: Re: Silverlight on Windows 8 | | | |Greg, | |Windows 8 IE browser (the full screen metro one) does not support |plugins. | So no | |Silverlight, no Flash etc. | | | |It's more commonly known as a Silverlight Coup de grâce. | | | |Enjoy. | | | | | |On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 8:57 AM, Greg Keogh g...@mira.net wrote: | | | | | | Folks, I'm getting a weird conflict running Silverlight 5 apps on | Windows | |8. In the Metro shell's browser it knows I don't have SL5 installed on the | first visit | |and asks me to install a file (with x64 in the name). It then flips over to | the old | |shell and installs the file okay. Now SL5 is working in IE10 in the old | shell, but the | |Metro browser keeps asking me to install Silverlight over and over, and |if | you do | |it says another version is already installed. | | | | So there is a catch-22 dead-end. Some web searches hint that SL5 is | not | |supported in the Windows 8 Metro browser. I could not believe this |would be | |true. Is it, or am I missing some trick? | | | | | | Greg | | | | |
Re: Silverlight on Windows 8
Seriously? What happened to the No Plug ins ??? Wow. Microsoft, you really know how to do a number on your tech. You want something gone, you don't mess about. The smoking gun is still in your hand! On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 9:42 AM, Joseph Cooney joseph.coo...@gmail.comwrote: Yep. Supports flash but not Silverlight. On 28 Aug 2013 11:40, Bill McCarthy bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au wrote: I thought it does support flash |-Original Message- |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Price |Sent: Wednesday, 28 August 2013 11:31 AM |To: ozDotNet |Subject: Re: Silverlight on Windows 8 | |Greg, |Windows 8 IE browser (the full screen metro one) does not support plugins. So no |Silverlight, no Flash etc. | |It's more commonly known as a Silverlight Coup de grâce. | |Enjoy. | | |On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 8:57 AM, Greg Keogh g...@mira.net wrote: | | | Folks, I'm getting a weird conflict running Silverlight 5 apps on Windows |8. In the Metro shell's browser it knows I don't have SL5 installed on the first visit |and asks me to install a file (with x64 in the name). It then flips over to the old |shell and installs the file okay. Now SL5 is working in IE10 in the old shell, but the |Metro browser keeps asking me to install Silverlight over and over, and if you do |it says another version is already installed. | | So there is a catch-22 dead-end. Some web searches hint that SL5 is not |supported in the Windows 8 Metro browser. I could not believe this would be |true. Is it, or am I missing some trick? | | | Greg |
RE: Silverlight on Windows 8
At release, only certain sites were allowed to use flash. They backed down on that and opened it up to all sites based on telemetry. From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Price Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 8:10 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: Silverlight on Windows 8 Seriously? What happened to the No Plug ins ??? Wow. Microsoft, you really know how to do a number on your tech. You want something gone, you don't mess about. The smoking gun is still in your hand! On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 9:42 AM, Joseph Cooney joseph.coo...@gmail.commailto:joseph.coo...@gmail.com wrote: Yep. Supports flash but not Silverlight. On 28 Aug 2013 11:40, Bill McCarthy bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.aumailto:bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au wrote: I thought it does support flash |-Original Message- |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.commailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-mailto:ozdotnet- |boun...@ozdotnet.commailto:boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Price |Sent: Wednesday, 28 August 2013 11:31 AM |To: ozDotNet |Subject: Re: Silverlight on Windows 8 | |Greg, |Windows 8 IE browser (the full screen metro one) does not support plugins. So no |Silverlight, no Flash etc. | |It's more commonly known as a Silverlight Coup de grâce. | |Enjoy. | | |On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 8:57 AM, Greg Keogh g...@mira.netmailto:g...@mira.net wrote: | | | Folks, I'm getting a weird conflict running Silverlight 5 apps on Windows |8. In the Metro shell's browser it knows I don't have SL5 installed on the first visit |and asks me to install a file (with x64 in the name). It then flips over to the old |shell and installs the file okay. Now SL5 is working in IE10 in the old shell, but the |Metro browser keeps asking me to install Silverlight over and over, and if you do |it says another version is already installed. | | So there is a catch-22 dead-end. Some web searches hint that SL5 is not |supported in the Windows 8 Metro browser. I could not believe this would be |true. Is it, or am I missing some trick? | | | Greg |
Re: Silverlight on Windows 8
Did someone say Microsoft pile on :D Notes so far: * Silverlight strategy shifted away from breadth to depth (Windows 8 only). Thus discontinued. * Blend discontinued and strategy shifted back to depth developer ONLY engagement models. Assume any designer integration for future lifecycle development will happen in the same workflow / process as HTML5 solution delivery happens today (me designer hand you developer design, you developer screw up me designer work, me designer compromise, we all happy .. the end). * Rename the entire .NET UX namespace(s) to ensure that no backwards compatibility outside the Portable Class Library will exist going forward thus adding a forcing function on developers to write new code and not bring old into the new. Some XAML code may be brought forward but with conditions applied. * Release a brand new SDK for Windows 8 developers but ensure anyone on Windows 7 cannot write or deploy code that makes use of this said codebase. Ensure that by doing this a forcing function around Windows 8 adoption not only occurs at the consumer level but also developer(s) as well (given how great developer relations have been to date, this will work out brilliantly). * Create uncertainty in the market around what developers should and shouldn't be doing with their future bets, do not spend energy or time reminding developers that so long as Windows XP, Windows 7 and Windows 8 exist so will WPF and Silverlight. Encourage HTML5/JS or C++/XAML adoption but offer no up-skilling or transition program(s) for pre-existing user base to move across other than Evangelists doing PowerPoint demos on Look i made a game using Windows 8's Internet Explorer * After 20yrs stop giving MSDN subscribers access to Windows RTM's and instead make them wait months after RTM for access outside of buying the said product or hitting thepiratebay torrent sites for access. Thus giving only real benefit or analysing actual adoption number(s) which in turn would reduce future ubiquity metric inflation .. honest.. but developers won't get to see as many 8.1 deployments as they need to thus the psychology of ubiquity plays out much in the way Silverlight on the web did when it first existed I'll write code another time, maybe when everyone has a bigger install base * Hold back on Deploying Silverlight through Windows Update as needed item despite the Consent Decree expiration which in turn lifts the only argument the company faced around doing this. Thus reducing any chance of a ~90% or more ubiquity success in Windows marketshare and also creating a developer relations bridge between Goodwill, keep adopting XAML/C# and Go jump in the HTML5 pool despite all the kids that have constantly pee'd in before you're initial jump * Highlight yet again how Scott Guthrie's influence over a complex problem such as Windows Azure has made a lot of gains despite the odds being stacked against them. Ensure all marketing talent that have to react to said technical work do everything they can to deter adoption from occurring. :D Yeah its a bit of kick the sick puppy moment but I look back on the last 2-3 years and I shake my head... technically nothing really is a problem persay in that people aren't shaking their fists and arguing over what technically is offer they are merely arguing over two sets of problems - Why are you not letting this piece of technical work over here work with that over there and why do i feel alone in my adoption choices more and more... Australia once had the highest SAT levels for .NET adoption.. i'd be curious to see what that data looks like today :D --- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.riagenic.com On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 1:16 PM, David Kean david.k...@microsoft.comwrote: At release, only certain sites were allowed to use flash. They backed down on that and opened it up to all sites based on telemetry. ** ** *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Stephen Price *Sent:* Tuesday, August 27, 2013 8:10 PM *To:* ozDotNet *Subject:* Re: Silverlight on Windows 8 ** ** Seriously? What happened to the No Plug ins ??? ** ** Wow. Microsoft, you really know how to do a number on your tech. You want something gone, you don't mess about. The smoking gun is still in your hand! ** ** On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 9:42 AM, Joseph Cooney joseph.coo...@gmail.com wrote: Yep. Supports flash but not Silverlight. On 28 Aug 2013 11:40, Bill McCarthy bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au wrote: I thought it does support flash |-Original Message- |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Price |Sent: Wednesday, 28 August 2013 11:31 AM |To: ozDotNet |Subject: Re: Silverlight on Windows 8 | |Greg, |Windows 8 IE browser (the full screen metro one) does not support plugins. So no |Silverlight, no Flash etc. | |It's more commonly known
RE: Silverlight on Windows 8
If .NET dies, then I'm leaving. See you over at Novell HQ. LOL From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Scott Barnes Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 12:36 AM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: Silverlight on Windows 8 Did someone say Microsoft pile on :D Notes so far: * Silverlight strategy shifted away from breadth to depth (Windows 8 only). Thus discontinued. * Blend discontinued and strategy shifted back to depth developer ONLY engagement models. Assume any designer integration for future lifecycle development will happen in the same workflow / process as HTML5 solution delivery happens today (me designer hand you developer design, you developer screw up me designer work, me designer compromise, we all happy .. the end). * Rename the entire .NET UX namespace(s) to ensure that no backwards compatibility outside the Portable Class Library will exist going forward thus adding a forcing function on developers to write new code and not bring old into the new. Some XAML code may be brought forward but with conditions applied. * Release a brand new SDK for Windows 8 developers but ensure anyone on Windows 7 cannot write or deploy code that makes use of this said codebase. Ensure that by doing this a forcing function around Windows 8 adoption not only occurs at the consumer level but also developer(s) as well (given how great developer relations have been to date, this will work out brilliantly). * Create uncertainty in the market around what developers should and shouldn't be doing with their future bets, do not spend energy or time reminding developers that so long as Windows XP, Windows 7 and Windows 8 exist so will WPF and Silverlight. Encourage HTML5/JS or C++/XAML adoption but offer no up-skilling or transition program(s) for pre-existing user base to move across other than Evangelists doing PowerPoint demos on Look i made a game using Windows 8's Internet Explorer * After 20yrs stop giving MSDN subscribers access to Windows RTM's and instead make them wait months after RTM for access outside of buying the said product or hitting thepiratebay torrent sites for access. Thus giving only real benefit or analysing actual adoption number(s) which in turn would reduce future ubiquity metric inflation .. honest.. but developers won't get to see as many 8.1 deployments as they need to thus the psychology of ubiquity plays out much in the way Silverlight on the web did when it first existed I'll write code another time, maybe when everyone has a bigger install base * Hold back on Deploying Silverlight through Windows Update as needed item despite the Consent Decree expiration which in turn lifts the only argument the company faced around doing this. Thus reducing any chance of a ~90% or more ubiquity success in Windows marketshare and also creating a developer relations bridge between Goodwill, keep adopting XAML/C# and Go jump in the HTML5 pool despite all the kids that have constantly pee'd in before you're initial jump * Highlight yet again how Scott Guthrie's influence over a complex problem such as Windows Azure has made a lot of gains despite the odds being stacked against them. Ensure all marketing talent that have to react to said technical work do everything they can to deter adoption from occurring. :D Yeah its a bit of kick the sick puppy moment but I look back on the last 2-3 years and I shake my head... technically nothing really is a problem persay in that people aren't shaking their fists and arguing over what technically is offer they are merely arguing over two sets of problems - Why are you not letting this piece of technical work over here work with that over there and why do i feel alone in my adoption choices more and more... Australia once had the highest SAT levels for .NET adoption.. i'd be curious to see what that data looks like today :D --- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.riagenic.com On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 1:16 PM, David Kean david.k...@microsoft.commailto:david.k...@microsoft.com wrote: At release, only certain sites were allowed to use flash. They backed down on that and opened it up to all sites based on telemetry. From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.commailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.commailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Price Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 8:10 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: Silverlight on Windows 8 Seriously? What happened to the No Plug ins ??? Wow. Microsoft, you really know how to do a number on your tech. You want something gone, you don't mess about. The smoking gun is still in your hand! On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 9:42 AM, Joseph Cooney joseph.coo...@gmail.commailto:joseph.coo...@gmail.com wrote: Yep. Supports flash but not Silverlight. On 28 Aug 2013 11:40, Bill McCarthy bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.aumailto:bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au wrote: I thought it does support flash
Re: Silverlight on Windows 8
I'm wondering should developer relations sour further what it would take to move .NET horde over to Mono? is it tooling that's holding everyone back? .. i'm also wondering how gaming solutions like Unity3D etc after a few more evolutions will also add value to the whole discussion (is it a game engine or a UX SDK?) --- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.riagenic.com On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 2:47 PM, Katherine Moss katherine.m...@gordon.eduwrote: If .NET dies, then I’m leaving. See you over at Novell HQ. LOL ** ** *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Scott Barnes *Sent:* Wednesday, August 28, 2013 12:36 AM *To:* ozDotNet *Subject:* Re: Silverlight on Windows 8 ** ** Did someone say Microsoft pile on :D ** ** Notes so far: ** ** * Silverlight strategy shifted away from breadth to depth (Windows 8 only). Thus discontinued. ** ** * Blend discontinued and strategy shifted back to depth developer ONLY engagement models. Assume any designer integration for future lifecycle development will happen in the same workflow / process as HTML5 solution delivery happens today (me designer hand you developer design, you developer screw up me designer work, me designer compromise, we all happy .. the end). ** ** * Rename the entire .NET UX namespace(s) to ensure that no backwards compatibility outside the Portable Class Library will exist going forward thus adding a forcing function on developers to write new code and not bring old into the new. Some XAML code may be brought forward but with conditions applied. ** ** * Release a brand new SDK for Windows 8 developers but ensure anyone on Windows 7 cannot write or deploy code that makes use of this said codebase. Ensure that by doing this a forcing function around Windows 8 adoption not only occurs at the consumer level but also developer(s) as well (given how great developer relations have been to date, this will work out brilliantly). ** ** * Create uncertainty in the market around what developers should and shouldn't be doing with their future bets, do not spend energy or time reminding developers that so long as Windows XP, Windows 7 and Windows 8 exist so will WPF and Silverlight. Encourage HTML5/JS or C++/XAML adoption but offer no up-skilling or transition program(s) for pre-existing user base to move across other than Evangelists doing PowerPoint demos on Look i made a game using Windows 8's Internet Explorer ** ** * After 20yrs stop giving MSDN subscribers access to Windows RTM's and instead make them wait months after RTM for access outside of buying the said product or hitting thepiratebay torrent sites for access. Thus giving only real benefit or analysing actual adoption number(s) which in turn would reduce future ubiquity metric inflation .. honest.. but developers won't get to see as many 8.1 deployments as they need to thus the psychology of ubiquity plays out much in the way Silverlight on the web did when it first existed I'll write code another time, maybe when everyone has a bigger install base ** ** * Hold back on Deploying Silverlight through Windows Update as needed item despite the Consent Decree expiration which in turn lifts the only argument the company faced around doing this. Thus reducing any chance of a ~90% or more ubiquity success in Windows marketshare and also creating a developer relations bridge between Goodwill, keep adopting XAML/C# and Go jump in the HTML5 pool despite all the kids that have constantly pee'd in before you're initial jump ** ** * Highlight yet again how Scott Guthrie's influence over a complex problem such as Windows Azure has made a lot of gains despite the odds being stacked against them. Ensure all marketing talent that have to react to said technical work do everything they can to deter adoption from occurring. ** ** :D ** ** Yeah its a bit of kick the sick puppy moment but I look back on the last 2-3 years and I shake my head... technically nothing really is a problem persay in that people aren't shaking their fists and arguing over what technically is offer they are merely arguing over two sets of problems - Why are you not letting this piece of technical work over here work with that over there and why do i feel alone in my adoption choices more and more... ** ** Australia once had the highest SAT levels for .NET adoption.. i'd be curious to see what that data looks like today :D ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** --- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.riagenic.com ** ** On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 1:16 PM, David Kean david.k...@microsoft.com wrote: At release, only certain sites were allowed to use flash. They backed down on that and opened it up to all sites based on telemetry. *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto: ozdotnet-boun
Re: Silverlight on Windows 8
I've been doing alot of work with Xamarin and MvvmCross, in a multi platform world this is one of the best solutions right now. Javascript is not ready yet but it's moving fast. On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 3:01 PM, Scott Barnes scott.bar...@gmail.comwrote: I'm wondering should developer relations sour further what it would take to move .NET horde over to Mono? is it tooling that's holding everyone back? .. i'm also wondering how gaming solutions like Unity3D etc after a few more evolutions will also add value to the whole discussion (is it a game engine or a UX SDK?) --- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.riagenic.com On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 2:47 PM, Katherine Moss katherine.m...@gordon.edu wrote: If .NET dies, then I’m leaving. See you over at Novell HQ. LOL ** ** *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Scott Barnes *Sent:* Wednesday, August 28, 2013 12:36 AM *To:* ozDotNet *Subject:* Re: Silverlight on Windows 8 ** ** Did someone say Microsoft pile on :D ** ** Notes so far: ** ** * Silverlight strategy shifted away from breadth to depth (Windows 8 only). Thus discontinued. ** ** * Blend discontinued and strategy shifted back to depth developer ONLY engagement models. Assume any designer integration for future lifecycle development will happen in the same workflow / process as HTML5 solution delivery happens today (me designer hand you developer design, you developer screw up me designer work, me designer compromise, we all happy .. the end). ** ** * Rename the entire .NET UX namespace(s) to ensure that no backwards compatibility outside the Portable Class Library will exist going forward thus adding a forcing function on developers to write new code and not bring old into the new. Some XAML code may be brought forward but with conditions applied. ** ** * Release a brand new SDK for Windows 8 developers but ensure anyone on Windows 7 cannot write or deploy code that makes use of this said codebase. Ensure that by doing this a forcing function around Windows 8 adoption not only occurs at the consumer level but also developer(s) as well (given how great developer relations have been to date, this will work out brilliantly). ** ** * Create uncertainty in the market around what developers should and shouldn't be doing with their future bets, do not spend energy or time reminding developers that so long as Windows XP, Windows 7 and Windows 8 exist so will WPF and Silverlight. Encourage HTML5/JS or C++/XAML adoption but offer no up-skilling or transition program(s) for pre-existing user base to move across other than Evangelists doing PowerPoint demos on Look i made a game using Windows 8's Internet Explorer ** ** * After 20yrs stop giving MSDN subscribers access to Windows RTM's and instead make them wait months after RTM for access outside of buying the said product or hitting thepiratebay torrent sites for access. Thus giving only real benefit or analysing actual adoption number(s) which in turn would reduce future ubiquity metric inflation .. honest.. but developers won't get to see as many 8.1 deployments as they need to thus the psychology of ubiquity plays out much in the way Silverlight on the web did when it first existed I'll write code another time, maybe when everyone has a bigger install base ** ** * Hold back on Deploying Silverlight through Windows Update as needed item despite the Consent Decree expiration which in turn lifts the only argument the company faced around doing this. Thus reducing any chance of a ~90% or more ubiquity success in Windows marketshare and also creating a developer relations bridge between Goodwill, keep adopting XAML/C# and Go jump in the HTML5 pool despite all the kids that have constantly pee'd in before you're initial jump ** ** * Highlight yet again how Scott Guthrie's influence over a complex problem such as Windows Azure has made a lot of gains despite the odds being stacked against them. Ensure all marketing talent that have to react to said technical work do everything they can to deter adoption from occurring. ** ** :D ** ** Yeah its a bit of kick the sick puppy moment but I look back on the last 2-3 years and I shake my head... technically nothing really is a problem persay in that people aren't shaking their fists and arguing over what technically is offer they are merely arguing over two sets of problems - Why are you not letting this piece of technical work over here work with that over there and why do i feel alone in my adoption choices more and more... ** ** Australia once had the highest SAT levels for .NET adoption.. i'd be curious to see what that data looks like today :D ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** --- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.riagenic.com ** ** On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 1
